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How Osborne's YouGov "well-badly" ratings have slipped since November. pic.twitter.com/1qRYOBQjOQ
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His star will rise again0
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The Tory MP for Gower is asking a question, this pleases me so much.0
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3RD0
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Your maths is as good as Osborne's.bigjohnowls said:2
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Boo 3rd like SNP thenrottenborough said:
Your maths is as good as Osborne's.bigjohnowls said:2
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Missed PMQ's, what did Bob from Billericay, Sue from the BBC and Ivan from Friends of the Earth want to ask the PM this week?0
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What would Ifor Davies have said! He once got nearly 80% of the vote....TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory MP for Gower is asking a question, this pleases me so much.
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Clean Air/Air pollution.FrancisUrquhart said:Missed PMQ's, what did Bob from Billericay, Sue from the BBC and Ivan from Friends of the Earth want to ask the PM this week?
Actually it was a decent PMQs from Corbyn, had Dave on difficult ground.
The irony is of course this is the one day of the year political saddos don't care about PMQs0 -
Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?0 -
Curse of the new thread!
Corbyn's air pollution delusions:
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Dunno, but the preprepared answer from Hugo's hedge fund was the same as always.FrancisUrquhart said:Missed PMQ's, what did Bob from Billericay, Sue from the BBC and Ivan from Friends of the Earth want to ask the PM this week?
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Full Fact
It's correct that over 99% of solar capacity in the UK has been installed since David Cameron became PM https://t.co/p43MXeRV08 #PMQs0 -
I know, superb tipping by Tissue Price last yearMortimer said:
What would Ifor Davies have said! He once got nearly 80% of the vote....TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory MP for Gower is asking a question, this pleases me so much.
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Ahhh so it was Friends of the Earth week this week....TheScreamingEagles said:
Clean Air/Air pollution.FrancisUrquhart said:Missed PMQ's, what did Bob from Billericay, Sue from the BBC and Ivan from Friends of the Earth want to ask the PM this week?
Actually it was a decent PMQs from Corbyn, had Dave on difficult ground.
The irony is of course this is the one day of the year political saddos don't care about PMQs0 -
You only have to drive around the country and see the massive amount of fields that have been converted in solar farms. How economical it all is, given solar has always been expensive and we don't exactly get a lot of sun in the UK (yes I know they can still work without masses of direct sunlight) I have no idea.Plato_Says said:Full Fact
It's correct that over 99% of solar capacity in the UK has been installed since David Cameron became PM https://t.co/p43MXeRV08 #PMQs0 -
Yet still well above safe levels in London. Including around Heathrow.notme said:Curse of the new thread!
Corbyn's air pollution delusions:0 -
Allison Pearson
One in six European babies is now born in the UK. Incredible repercussions for maternity units, midwives, schools, teachers.0 -
I'd support both of those.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?0 -
And now the Tory MP for Morley and Outwood!TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory MP for Gower is asking a question, this pleases me so much.
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Personally I'd go for the Meekado given the Pooh-Bah approach to dissenters.AlastairMeeks said:
Meeksian? On balance it's better than Meeksite or Meeksist, I think. On your first point, I'm not a great fan of the EU and was open-minded about voting Leave for quite some time. That time is now past but I'm never going to be an enthusiastic campaigner for the EU.Polruan said:
[SNIP]
Structurally, the referendum can only be a binary Leave/Remain choice (or names to that effect). Those wishing to leave must therefore construct their argument accordingly. It is the choice of the Leave campaign as to how it argues its case.
Leave has been so incoherent as to have failed even to coalesce and will not do so for at least another month. That is not the fault of the government (and is, in truth, an indication of the problems that the nation would face if it decides to leave). And the problem with the alternatives put forward is not that there aren't any coherent alternatives, it is that we have a superabundance of them. Boris Johnson alone has managed four in the last three weeks. If we vote leave, we'll be having a national game of spin the bottle to choose which one gets selected. That's not particularly likely to produce one that the public will get behind or be contented with: the reverse.
But it's a bit rich blaming the Remain camp for the fact that the Leave camp is so spectacularly crap.
I still don't understand how you see the Leave campaign as being empowered to construct an alternative. Because if the campaign was unaminous the remainers would immediately (and correctly) say "But they can't guarantee that will happen - rather than [say] EEA, it could be a disastrous exit with no agreements". If Cameron were to say something like "I promise that we will do our best to negotiate our future outside the EU in line with the agreed views of the Leave campaign" you'd have a fair point. But he hasn't, and won't. At the moment what you're saying is akin to criticising England for not having a settled first XV on the basis that people in the West Stand are arguing about whether Farrell or Tuilagi should be at 12.
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Shall I use the [joke] tags in future?Casino_Royale said:
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But the index line cant come down, isnt it the base to measure changes from? If you reset the index line from say 2009, it would look a bit rockier, but we see here an impressive change around how we treat our environment over that time period. It's not just air quality its sea and river quality also. Much of the hard work has come about as a result of EU bullying us into facing up to our responsibilities...rcs1000 said:
Unless we can get that index line down, I don't see how it can be counted as any kind of success.notme said:Curse of the new thread!
Corbyn's air pollution delusions:0 -
Mine for Nothing
New GOP delegate count:
Trump - 696
Cruz - 417
Kasich - 146
Uncommitted - 26
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The "gathering storm clouds" are to a fair extent out of Osborne's control. He will be judged on whether he has fixed the roof while the suns was shining (albeit weakly) and on whether his famed rebalancing has happened to any significant extent. hmmmm
I think he has been a moderately decent Chancellor, broadly going in the right direction whilst failing to do much about some of the key the underlying issues we face such as stupidly high house prices, too many imports and a lack of skills in the economy. Blame not solely at his door though.
Wealth inequality has definitely grown as well, there must be a sensible, effective and fair way of getting a bit more from the "1%" or even 0.1%. This is getting noticed some way beyond the usual lefty anti-capitalist circles who think salaries should be capped at £50k or whatever.0 -
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But the index line cant come down, isnt it the base to measure changes from? If you reset the index line from say 2009, it would look a bit rockier, but we see here an impressive change around how we treat our environment over that time period. It's not just air quality its sea and river quality also. Much of the hard work has come about as a result of EU bullying us into facing up to our responsibilities...rcs1000 said:
Unless we can get that index line down, I don't see how it can be counted as any kind of success.notme said:Curse of the new thread!
Corbyn's air pollution delusions:
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It costs me a fortune.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
My private medical provided by my employer has a policy value of c.£2.5k and HMRC make it tax deductible; I'm a 40% taxpayer.
So I basically paid over a grand for it last year.
Not sure it's worth it.0 -
Pew Research
Long Supreme Court vacancies used to be more common https://t.co/EWph7HJQJ5 https://t.co/U7hRWoXOyZ0 -
It is not in the government's gift to tell opponents how they should wish to oppose its policy.Polruan said:
Personally I'd go for the Meekado given the Pooh-Bah approach to dissenters.
I still don't understand how you see the Leave campaign as being empowered to construct an alternative. Because if the campaign was unaminous the remainers would immediately (and correctly) say "But they can't guarantee that will happen - rather than [say] EEA, it could be a disastrous exit with no agreements". If Cameron were to say something like "I promise that we will do our best to negotiate our future outside the EU in line with the agreed views of the Leave campaign" you'd have a fair point. But he hasn't, and won't. At the moment what you're saying is akin to criticising England for not having a settled first XV on the basis that people in the West Stand are arguing about whether Farrell or Tuilagi should be at 12.
The referendum will deliver Leave or Remain and a mandate for future action accordingly. If Leave, the meaning of Leave will be discerned primarily from the way in which the Leave camp has conducted its campaign. At present, that's not going to be very informative, to put it mildly.
It is for the Leave camp to construct a prospectus. Remain has done that. It may well be that the Leave prospectus would lack plausibility (certainly Leavers aren't shy about suggesting that about the Remain prospectus) but right now it hasn't even got to the stage of clarity or coherence.0 -
The next conservative leader will first have to be one of the top two selected by tory MPs (or has that changed). Which two will be chosen? And what will the membership do with this choice?0
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I wonder if he will go for a big exciting review of something that gets everyone debating the merits of it but doesn't cost him anything up front and may even be fiscally neutral - eg merging NI and Income TaxSandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
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Well, it wasn't exactly Live at the Apollo, Robert!rcs1000 said:0 -
Bit boring on the Osborne tie bets then.0
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That is a good idea.JonathanD said:
I wonder if he will go for a big exciting review of something that gets everyone debating the merits of it but doesn't cost him anything up front and may even be fiscally neutral - eg merging NI and Income TaxSandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?0 -
Domestic houses down here are smothered in them, it's very noticeable.FrancisUrquhart said:
You only have to drive around the country and see the massive amount of fields that have been converted in solar farms. How economical it all is, given solar has always been expensive and we don't exactly get a lot of sun in the UK (yes I know they can still work without masses of direct sunlight) I have no idea.Plato_Says said:Full Fact
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Yep - surely something that reduces pressure on the NHS should be encouraged by the tax system rather than penalised?Casino_Royale said:
It costs me a fortune.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
My private medical provided by my employer has a policy value of c.£2.5k and HMRC make it tax deductible; I'm a 40% taxpayer.
So I basically paid over a grand for it last year.
Not sure it's worth it.
To really encourage companies to offer it, make the cost of insurance deductible against corporation tax - but only on condition that all employees are enrolled if they wish to be. Imagine what would happen to NHS demand if Tesco could be persuaded to offer comprehensive health insurance to all their employees.0 -
yes... sorry!! But come on give me credit for getting the data out there within minutes of Corbyn speaking..rcs1000 said:0 -
Shadsy usually has a mugs market on budget bingo; but sadly seems to have missed it out this year.
Is there one anywhere else?0 -
[Mark Senior] tags, shurely?rcs1000 said:0
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Hills did one.foxinsoxuk said:Shadsy usually has a mugs market on budget bingo; but sadly seems to have missed it out this year.
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He had it, but pulls it an hour before the budget, as the budget speech is given to the media around then.foxinsoxuk said:Shadsy usually has a mugs market on budget bingo; but sadly seems to have missed it out this year.
Is there one anywhere else?
This was the market as this morning
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/7100265913766461440 -
The cost of PMI (like most employee benefits and remuneration) is deductible against CT.Sandpit said:
Yep - surely something that reduces pressure on the NHS should be encouraged by the tax system rather than penalised?Casino_Royale said:
It costs me a fortune.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
My private medical provided by my employer has a policy value of c.£2.5k and HMRC make it tax deductible; I'm a 40% taxpayer.
So I basically paid over a grand for it last year.
Not sure it's worth it.
To really encourage companies to offer it, make the cost of insurance deductible against corporation tax - but only on condition that all employees are enrolled if they wish to be. Imagine what would happen to NHS demand if Tesco could be persuaded to offer comprehensive health insurance to all their employees.0 -
Must have missed it while watching the footy. Still it does save me a few quid!TheScreamingEagles said:
He had it, but pulls it an hour before the budget, as the budget speech is given to the media around then.foxinsoxuk said:Shadsy usually has a mugs market on budget bingo; but sadly seems to have missed it out this year.
Is there one anywhere else?
This was the market as this morning
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/7100265913766461440 -
General Boles
Chris Leslie's squad coordinating outfits #pmqs https://t.co/EDd87yEE0l0 -
I said that wrong. Meant to say Employer NI contributions rather than corp tax.Polruan said:
The cost of PMI (like most employee benefits and remuneration) is deductible against CT.Sandpit said:
Yep - surely something that reduces pressure on the NHS should be encouraged by the tax system rather than penalised?Casino_Royale said:
It costs me a fortune.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
My private medical provided by my employer has a policy value of c.£2.5k and HMRC make it tax deductible; I'm a 40% taxpayer.
So I basically paid over a grand for it last year.
Not sure it's worth it.
To really encourage companies to offer it, make the cost of insurance deductible against corporation tax - but only on condition that all employees are enrolled if they wish to be. Imagine what would happen to NHS demand if Tesco could be persuaded to offer comprehensive health insurance to all their employees.0 -
His first 'Thank You' is to Robert Chote my ex house mate and I always thought he was a lefty!0
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Is there a market on the number of interventions by Mr Deputy Speaker?
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Ozzy using the budget to make a strong vote Remain intervention0
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The fundamental point you are ignoring is that different people have different reasons for wanting to leave.AlastairMeeks said:
It is not in the government's gift to tell opponents how they should wish to oppose its policy.Polruan said:
Personally I'd go for the Meekado given the Pooh-Bah approach to dissenters.
I still don't understand how you see the Leave campaign as being empowered to construct an alternative. Because if the campaign was unaminous the remainers would immediately (and correctly) say "But they can't guarantee that will happen - rather than [say] EEA, it could be a disastrous exit with no agreements". If Cameron were to say something like "I promise that we will do our best to negotiate our future outside the EU in line with the agreed views of the Leave campaign" you'd have a fair point. But he hasn't, and won't. At the moment what you're saying is akin to criticising England for not having a settled first XV on the basis that people in the West Stand are arguing about whether Farrell or Tuilagi should be at 12.
The referendum will deliver Leave or Remain and a mandate for future action accordingly. If Leave, the meaning of Leave will be discerned primarily from the way in which the Leave camp has conducted its campaign. At present, that's not going to be very informative, to put it mildly.
It is for the Leave camp to construct a prospectus. Remain has done that. It may well be that the Leave prospectus would lack plausibility (certainly Leavers aren't shy about suggesting that about the Remain prospectus) but right now it hasn't even got to the stage of clarity or coherence.
The question isn't "is the grass on the other side of the fence green or yellow?", it's "do you want to be on this side of the fence or not?"
Personally speaking, I want to be on the other side of the fence. I'd rather the grass was green, but I would prefer yellow grass to the slough of despond* that we are currently standing in
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And people say Osborne is too political with his budgets...TheScreamingEagles said:Ozzy using the budget to make a strong vote Remain intervention
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I did say yesterday that he should come out and campaign hard for Remain, given where he stands in the party. He obviously agrees.0
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He's been factual, and made a point of respecting those voting Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
And people say Osborne is too political with his budgets...TheScreamingEagles said:Ozzy using the budget to make a strong vote Remain intervention
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The UK has what, 1/8th of the EU population and unlike some doesn't have a disastrously low birth rate. Silly use of figures IMO.Plato_Says said:Allison Pearson
One in six European babies is now born in the UK. Incredible repercussions for maternity units, midwives, schools, teachers.0 -
Continuing the logic, how should a responsible government discern its appropriate course of action if there *wasn't* a completely clear prospectus? Also, should a responsible government really use as its primary source of guidance a view put forward by a mishmash of individuals acting in a private capcity, some elected and some unelected (in general terms), but none elected to fulfil that role in the governance of the country? Seems a surprising choice.AlastairMeeks said:
It is not in the government's gift to tell opponents how they should wish to oppose its policy.Polruan said:
Personally I'd go for the Meekado given the Pooh-Bah approach to dissenters.
I still don't understand how you see the Leave campaign as being empowered to construct an alternative. Because if the campaign was unaminous the remainers would immediately (and correctly) say "But they can't guarantee that will happen - rather than [say] EEA, it could be a disastrous exit with no agreements". If Cameron were to say something like "I promise that we will do our best to negotiate our future outside the EU in line with the agreed views of the Leave campaign" you'd have a fair point. But he hasn't, and won't. At the moment what you're saying is akin to criticising England for not having a settled first XV on the basis that people in the West Stand are arguing about whether Farrell or Tuilagi should be at 12.
The referendum will deliver Leave or Remain and a mandate for future action accordingly. If Leave, the meaning of Leave will be discerned primarily from the way in which the Leave camp has conducted its campaign. At present, that's not going to be very informative, to put it mildly.
It is for the Leave camp to construct a prospectus. Remain has done that. It may well be that the Leave prospectus would lack plausibility (certainly Leavers aren't shy about suggesting that about the Remain prospectus) but right now it hasn't even got to the stage of clarity or coherence.0 -
Imagine what would happen if thousands of Tesco employees were able to compare NHS healthcare with an alternative. They might prefer the new religion.Sandpit said:
Yep - surely something that reduces pressure on the NHS should be encouraged by the tax system rather than penalised?Casino_Royale said:
It costs me a fortune.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
My private medical provided by my employer has a policy value of c.£2.5k and HMRC make it tax deductible; I'm a 40% taxpayer.
So I basically paid over a grand for it last year.
Not sure it's worth it.
To really encourage companies to offer it, make the cost of insurance deductible against corporation tax - but only on condition that all employees are enrolled if they wish to be. Imagine what would happen to NHS demand if Tesco could be persuaded to offer comprehensive health insurance to all their employees.0 -
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Kevin Meagher
'Mr Deputy Speaker' comes out as 'Diabetes Beaker' on BBC subtitles #Budget20160 -
Pro Brussells nonsense from GO - about as believable as his predictions for eliminating the deficit.0
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However the has just made it much more expensive to hire a public sector worker..0
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Oh ok, make it an exempt benefit for Class 1A? Not a bad call, hard to say whether the saving would be decisive in any employer offering or not offering PMI though (tends to be driven by industry sector norms, so it might just end up being a tax break for banks/large corporates).Sandpit said:
I said that wrong. Meant to say Employer NI contributions rather than corp tax.Polruan said:
The cost of PMI (like most employee benefits and remuneration) is deductible against CT.Sandpit said:
Yep - surely something that reduces pressure on the NHS should be encouraged by the tax system rather than penalised?Casino_Royale said:
It costs me a fortune.Sandpit said:Any ideas on the Chancellor's rabbit out of a hat in the Budget?
My suggestion would be a reversal of the benefit-in-kind tax treatment of employer-provided private health insurance.
Maybe also something on simplification of marginal income tax rates alongside a rise in the 40% threshold?
Do we have a budget bingo market anywhere?
My private medical provided by my employer has a policy value of c.£2.5k and HMRC make it tax deductible; I'm a 40% taxpayer.
So I basically paid over a grand for it last year.
Not sure it's worth it.
To really encourage companies to offer it, make the cost of insurance deductible against corporation tax - but only on condition that all employees are enrolled if they wish to be. Imagine what would happen to NHS demand if Tesco could be persuaded to offer comprehensive health insurance to all their employees.0 -
The only highlight here is the nerds watching this already have an opinion.TGOHF said:
Pro Brussells nonsense from GO - about as believable as his predictions for eliminating the deficit.
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Off topic, but Obama will nominate his SCOTUS appointee today. I think he will nominate Sri Srinivasan, the first Asian American nominee. I also think he will nominate Ketanji Brown Jackson to fill his position on the DC Circuit, the next most important court.
The GOP already create problems for themselves in blocking Srinivasan, but Brown Jackson could put them in a further bind. Either they support her, which makes her a great very liberal SCOTUS pick for the next opening and also undermines their argument for not backing Sri, or they oppose her, and thus unfairly stop both a qualified Asian American and a qualified African American women at the same time.0 -
Agreed.FrankBooth said:
The UK has what, 1/8th of the EU population and unlike some doesn't have a disastrously low birth rate. Silly use of figures IMO.Plato_Says said:Allison Pearson
One in six European babies is now born in the UK. Incredible repercussions for maternity units, midwives, schools, teachers.0 -
'Meeksian? On balance it's better than Meeksite or Meeksist, I think."
It took Freud years and several theses-to get an '.ian'. I'd stick with that0 -
GO fails again to meet debt targets.
Time for a change at COTE ?0 -
@michaelsavage
Gosh - borrowing up from £4.6bn to £21.4bn in 2018-19. Almost £16bn off course. #Budget160 -
Why do I get the feeling that lots of technical and complicated changes to corp tax will lead to huge rises in revenue?
Edit: He says it will raise 9bn but will cut the headline rate of corp tax from 18% to 17%0 -
Corporation tax 2020 - 17%0
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OBR forecasts over £40bn more borrowing
16/17 £55.5bn deficit (+£6bn)
17/18 £38.8bn deficit (+14bn)
18/19 £21.4bn deficit (+21.5bn)0 -
Business rate relief threshold to more than double from 6k to 15k.
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GO targeting help for small business - one of the heartlands for #Brexit. No business rates for 600k of them.0 -
After that Brexit crack and the terrible borrowing numbers the budget surprise had better be a unicorn out the hat, a rabbit won't cut it. Does he even want to be Leader? Misrepresenting the OBR and bringing the EU Referendum into the Budget he may as well have got his dick out and wandered round the Tory benches slapping Leavers in the face with it.0
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Big cuts in business rates for small shops.0
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Balanced budget by 2120?0
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But his presentation is very good. He'd make a fine PMTGOHF said:@michaelsavage
Gosh - borrowing up from £4.6bn to £21.4bn in 2018-19. Almost £16bn off course. #Budget16
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Ozzy going for the small business vote0
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At least one Conservative MP will be happy today:
@DannyShawBBC ·
Govt's drugs advisers say "poppers", used mainly by gay men to enhance sexual experience, can't be covered by the new legal highs ban
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I was an immigrant worker at an american amusement park (one of the biggest, not Disney) in 1998... Not new. But the overseas workers were, like me, students from Europe, primarily UK, mixed in with students from universities in surrounding states. I've heard this has changed more recently, with a significant increase of the number of overseas, as the wages have stayed pegged to a stalled minimum wage.
Walt Disney are not alone , most American corporations do it including Hi Tech, high pay ones. Just read the Register or The Channel and it is full of it.0 -
As always, let's see what's in the small print. Osborne loves making things more complicated, rather than simplifying.Sandpit said:Why do I get the feeling that lots of technical and complicated changes to corp tax will lead to huge rises in revenue?
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A choice would be much better, I agree; but how would that work in reality? Is there a choice around which the Leave side could have coalesced? I'd have thought that several options on the ballot paper would make a Remain vote more likely as Leavers would split along lines we see on here.Polruan said:
Continuing the logic, how should a responsible government discern its appropriate course of action if there *wasn't* a completely clear prospectus? Also, should a responsible government really use as its primary source of guidance a view put forward by a mishmash of individuals acting in a private capcity, some elected and some unelected (in general terms), but none elected to fulfil that role in the governance of the country? Seems a surprising choice.AlastairMeeks said:
It is not in the government's gift to tell opponents how they should wish to oppose its policy.Polruan said:
Personally I'd go for the Meekado given the Pooh-Bah approach to dissenters.
I still don't understand how you see the Leave campaign as being empowered to construct an alternative. Because if the campaign was unaminous the remainers would immediately (and correctly) say "But they can't guarantee that will happen - rather than [say] EEA, it could be a disastrous exit with no agreements". If Cameron were to say something like "I promise that we will do our best to negotiate our future outside the EU in line with the agreed views of the Leave campaign" you'd have a fair point. But he hasn't, and won't. At the moment what you're saying is akin to criticising England for not having a settled first XV on the basis that people in the West Stand are arguing about whether Farrell or Tuilagi should be at 12.
The referendum will deliver Leave or Remain and a mandate for future action accordingly. If Leave, the meaning of Leave will be discerned primarily from the way in which the Leave camp has conducted its campaign. At present, that's not going to be very informative, to put it mildly.
It is for the Leave camp to construct a prospectus. Remain has done that. It may well be that the Leave prospectus would lack plausibility (certainly Leavers aren't shy about suggesting that about the Remain prospectus) but right now it hasn't even got to the stage of clarity or coherence.
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Elena
Corporation tax:
28% in 2010.
17% in 2020.
Business rates for 600,000 small businesses:
Dead.
Now that's a legacy.0 -
Good! Hope he sorts out the contractors' expenses proposals now.TheScreamingEagles said:Ozzy going for the small business vote
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Ozzy doing his best to help the Oil industry and annoying the Nats in the process.
He gets my vote in the next Tory leadership election0 -
Trollin', trollin', trollin', keep them doggies trollin'...Roger said:
But his presentation is very good. He'd make a fine PMTGOHF said:@michaelsavage
Gosh - borrowing up from £4.6bn to £21.4bn in 2018-19. Almost £16bn off course. #Budget160 -
Ha - abolition of petroleum tax, that will royally upset the SNP.0
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he giving them tuppence thenTheScreamingEagles said:Ozzy doing his best to help the Oil industry and annoying the Nats in the process.
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He's primarily ending or limiting the ability of companies to offset debt against profit.watford30 said:
As always, let's see what's in the small print. Osborne loves making things more complicated, rather than simplifying.Sandpit said:Why do I get the feeling that lots of technical and complicated changes to corp tax will lead to huge rises in revenue?
Edit: He says it will raise 9bn but will cut the headline rate of corp tax from 18% to 17%
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Good - They certainly need the help, since the recession the high street is awash with nothing but charity shops.Plato_Says said:Business rate relief threshold to more than double from 6k to 15k.
Adam Boulton
GO targeting help for small business - one of the heartlands for #Brexit. No business rates for 600k of them.0 -
Easy win for the Chancellor, the income goes to local councils - not his problem. Is he going to compensate Manchester whose Northern Powerhouse deal was built on them keeping local growth in business rates?Sandpit said:Big cuts in business rates for small shops.
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50% reduction on Severn Bridge tolls. Why not abolish them completely, have they not paid for the bridges by now?0
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Other big moves on devolution, Greater Manchester will get some powers over criminal justice + many more elected mayors
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A choice would be much better, I agree; but how would that work in reality? Is there a choice around which the Leave side could have coalesced? I'd have thought that several options on the ballot paper would make a Remain vote more likely as Leavers would split along lines we see on here.Polruan said:
Continuing the logic, how should a responsible government discern its appropriate course of action if there *wasn't* a completely clear prospectus? Also, should a responsible government really use as its primary source of guidance a view put forward by a mishmash of individuals acting in a private capcity, some elected and some unelected (in general terms), but none elected to fulfil that role in the governance of the country? Seems a surprising choice.AlastairMeeks said:
It is not in the government's gift to tell opponents how they should wish to oppose its policy.Polruan said:
Personally I'd go for the Meekado given the Pooh-Bah approach to dissenters.
I still don't understand how you see the Leave campaign as being empowered to construct an alternative. Because if the campaign was unaminous the remainers would immediately (and correctly) say "But they can't guarantee that will happen - rather than [say] EEA, it could be a disastrous exit with no agreements". If Cameron were to say something like "I promise that we will do our best to negotiate our future outside the EU in line with the agreed views of the Leave campaign" you'd have a fair point. But he hasn't, and won't. At the moment what you're saying is akin to criticising England for not having a settled first XV on the basis that people in the West Stand are arguing about whether Farrell or Tuilagi should be at 12.
The referendum will deliver Leave or Remain and a mandate for future action accordingly. If Leave, the meaning of Leave will be discerned primarily from the way in which the Leave camp has conducted its campaign. At present, that's not going to be very informative, to put it mildly.
It is for the Leave camp to construct a prospectus. Remain has done that. It may well be that the Leave prospectus would lack plausibility (certainly Leavers aren't shy about suggesting that about the Remain prospectus) but right now it hasn't even got to the stage of clarity or coherence.0 -
It's Osborne's equivalent of 'Find the lady', so beloved of Oxford Street con artists.JonathanD said:
He's primarily ending or limiting the ability of companies to offset debt against profit.watford30 said:
As always, let's see what's in the small print. Osborne loves making things more complicated, rather than simplifying.Sandpit said:Why do I get the feeling that lots of technical and complicated changes to corp tax will lead to huge rises in revenue?
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Beth Prescott
Disability budget will rise by more than £1bn - will spend more supporting disabled people than any point under Labour #Budget20160 -
You know landlords have to pay rates on empty properties unless they put charity shops in them? It's a structural cost advantage for the sectorSimonStClare said:
Good - They certainly need the help, since the recession the high street is awash with nothing but charity shops.Plato_Says said:Business rate relief threshold to more than double from 6k to 15k.
Adam Boulton
GO targeting help for small business - one of the heartlands for #Brexit. No business rates for 600k of them.0 -
Putting public employers pension contributions up is going to be quite a knock to NHS and similar sectors too.oldpolitics said:
Easy win for the Chancellor, the income goes to local councils - not his problem. Is he going to compensate Manchester whose Northern Powerhouse deal was built on them keeping local growth in business rates?Sandpit said:Big cuts in business rates for small shops.
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The problem with getting rid of business rates is that it encourages councils to build residential rather than commercial, as they get revenue from that. Would prefer govt cut national insurance, as that helps business but also workers.0
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IPT stealth tax creeps ever upwards.0
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Lucy Fisher
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I've always wondered if there is some clever structuring by which landlords work around this - can they claim small business relief on the rates?Charles said:
You know landlords have to pay rates on empty properties unless they put charity shops in them? It's a structural cost advantage for the sectorSimonStClare said:
Good - They certainly need the help, since the recession the high street is awash with nothing but charity shops.Plato_Says said:Business rate relief threshold to more than double from 6k to 15k.
Adam Boulton
GO targeting help for small business - one of the heartlands for #Brexit. No business rates for 600k of them.0
