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Mr. Jessop, the time when Cameron could've swayed me from a probable Leave was the negotiation, which he failed at utterly and has misrepresented since. There's still the possibility of a black swan, but otherwise I'm very likely to vote Leave.0
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If you were a proud englishman you wouldn't be a lawyer in the first place.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit leads to an Independent Scotland and Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
France.TheScreamingEagles said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IrelandTGOHF said:
Patriotic for which country ?TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
They've got all those farmers to subsidise with wine nobody drinks.
As a proud Englishman, I don't want to be left with the flipping Welsh.
I've got you down as actor for hire - sheep impersonations considered.0 -
He'll probably win Florida after all this !Wanderer said:
I didn't see that interview but I agree that he has good prospects for 2020 if Hillary wins. In the short term, though, he needs to lose with dignity, ie bow out gracefully if he loses in his home state.Casino_Royale said:
It is. He's complex. Remains to be seen if he'll win, though.Pulpstar said:
He's impressed me in the debates by going so completely off book. South Carolina was the pinnacle I think...Casino_Royale said:
President Donald Trump knows how to make America great: deal with strength or get crushed every time.Pulpstar said:
It was always going to be either Trump or Cruz, but Cruz is probably a bit too right wing to win in November.Plato_Says said:YouGov
Donald Trump is now supported by a majority of Republican primary voters nationwide – https://t.co/fCtQPrTT8n https://t.co/pNmKpGiB4X
Defending planned parenthood, attacking Dubya over 9-11 and Iraq, not being worried about kipping what many see was a critical debate (Short term perhaps harmful, long term has worked out fine). He's a politician dealing in conviction, not the minutiae of game theory that alot of others (See Ed Miliband here) do - particularly in debates do.
The other thing I note is that he is leading the narrative ~ the other candidates all remarkably are talking about a wall now, and alot of his positions are not just politically convienient (Abortion might be the big exception to win the GOP primary) but are perhaps what he genuinely believes.
Some of his more 'left wing' (Trade, women's health, healthcare) stances vs GOP norm are the most interesting for me.
By ignoring all the minutiae of game theory x, y, z he's actually ending up in a very strong position.
"He's breaking all the rules" is a cliche, but it is true in this case.
Also, Rubio (your favourite) has impressed me more recently. Very good interview posted on thread last night where I thought he sounded measured and sensible and far less robotic, more human, than usual.
If Republicans fail in November I don't rule him out for 2020
(Although he did also look tired and stressed)
That'd delight some and terrify others here. It'd be midly annoying for me.0 -
You mean Hitler, not Donald Trump.Plato_Says said:ABC
NEW: Donald Trump wins Northern Mariana Islands Republican caucuses, according to N. Mariana Islands GOP, snagging nine pledged delegates.
https://twitter.com/GregGutfeldShow/status/
Still have hopes Trump will take Ohio, Romney has been campaigning for Kasich there.0 -
How about we cut off the Welsh too and are just England free and proud?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit leads to an Independent Scotland and Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
France.TheScreamingEagles said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IrelandTGOHF said:
Patriotic for which country ?TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
They've got all those farmers to subsidise with wine nobody drinks.
As a proud Englishman, I don't want to be left with the flipping Welsh.
On a completely unrelated bonus our 12 seat majority would be a 105 seat majority and that's before boundary reforms too.0 -
Always knew he was a German spy. It's in the genes. (see Family in WikI)TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
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Enjoy the names while you can!TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
More than a few of them will be called 'Tesco Value Burger' by the morning.0 -
"The media wants a member of the public to kill Donald Trump."
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/is-the-media-inciting-violence-against-donald-trump/news-story/8ff43d098b874fe9fcba4e64b9aaba95?sv=3d49f07b68d65085f0621bac91429d280 -
I regularly do sheep impressions when England take on Wales.Alanbrooke said:
If you were a proud englishman you wouldn't be a lawyer in the first place.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit leads to an Independent Scotland and Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
France.TheScreamingEagles said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IrelandTGOHF said:
Patriotic for which country ?TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
They've got all those farmers to subsidise with wine nobody drinks.
As a proud Englishman, I don't want to be left with the flipping Welsh.
I've got you down as actor for hire - sheep impersonations considered.
Can't imagine why the Welsh don't like me.0 -
If you believe that it's best for Britain to stay in the EU, then of course it's patriotic to advocate it.SimonStClare said:
I thought it was Nick Clegg who said that? – still makes absolutely no sense whomever said itTheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
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I started this campaign as a Remain voter. I'd like to see something positive of why the EU is good for us rather than clearly BS negativity. The Remain campaign is driving me further and further away as I know it's BS, you know it's BS and they must know it's BS. But if that's the best Remain can come up with then let's just go with having our sovereignty and sort it all out from there.JosiasJessop said:
As a matter of interest, what could Cameron (or anyone else) say that you would see as persuasive?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I saw some of his speech. It was about as persuasive as a phone call from Blair offering to sell me PPI.
If the answer is nothing, then you are clearly not the target market for the comments.
(That is not a dig, btw).0 -
LolGeoffM said:
Enjoy the names while you can!TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
More than a few of them will be called 'Tesco Value Burger' by the morning.0 -
Nah, we need the Welsh and the Scots. I like reminding them England keeps on subsidising them, I mean last week we found out we subsidised the Scots to the tune of £15 billion per year.Philip_Thompson said:
How about we cut off the Welsh too and are just England free and proud?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit leads to an Independent Scotland and Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
France.TheScreamingEagles said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IrelandTGOHF said:
Patriotic for which country ?TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
They've got all those farmers to subsidise with wine nobody drinks.
As a proud Englishman, I don't want to be left with the flipping Welsh.
On a completely unrelated bonus our 12 seat majority would be a 105 seat majority and that's before boundary reforms too.
Allows me to feel all smug and superior0 -
Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.0
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Actually, I don't see all of it as BS. There is clearly some BS amongst it, but IMO the same can be said for leave.Philip_Thompson said:
I started this campaign as a Remain voter. I'd like to see something positive of why the EU is good for us rather than clearly BS negativity. The Remain campaign is driving me further and further away as I know it's BS, you know it's BS and they must know it's BS. But if that's the best Remain can come up with then let's just go with having our sovereignty and sort it all out from there.JosiasJessop said:
As a matter of interest, what could Cameron (or anyone else) say that you would see as persuasive?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I saw some of his speech. It was about as persuasive as a phone call from Blair offering to sell me PPI.
If the answer is nothing, then you are clearly not the target market for the comments.
(That is not a dig, btw).
For instance, telling some people we will have full control over borders to stop immigration, whilst telling others we'll be in the EEA, is the height of dishonest BS. Leave's dishonesty on this makes remain look like paragons of virtue.0 -
Climate change deal: 'Zero carbon' laws promised by government
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-358091440 -
For the SenateLennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/
for the House
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2016_generic_congressional_vote-5279.html#polls0 -
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/13/politics/thomas-dimassimo-donald-trump-protester-interview/RodCrosby said:"The media wants a member of the public to kill Donald Trump."
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/is-the-media-inciting-violence-against-donald-trump/news-story/8ff43d098b874fe9fcba4e64b9aaba95?sv=3d49f07b68d65085f0621bac91429d28
Irresponsible by CNN in the extreme.0 -
This is a good place to start:Lennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-senate/
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I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.0 -
Yes, a really chilly article that could easily prove clairvoyant.RodCrosby said:"The media wants a member of the public to kill Donald Trump."
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/is-the-media-inciting-violence-against-donald-trump/news-story/8ff43d098b874fe9fcba4e64b9aaba95?sv=3d49f07b68d65085f0621bac91429d280 -
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics0 -
Yuk.TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
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Gruesome doings on the Macedonian border.
https://twitter.com/BreitbartLondon/status/7097053266695127090 -
I backed that one too, I couldn't watch it as I was singing Handel's Messiah as a soprano. My parents came into the church and gave me a thumbs up - that was when I knew I'd won £10 or somethingTheScreamingEagles said:
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics
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Does anyone.in any Government anywhere really understand exactly what "Zero Carbon" means..0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
For the SenateLennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/
for the House
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2016_generic_congressional_vote-5279.html#polls
Thanks both - much appreciated. Knew PB would have the answer... :-)Richard_Nabavi said:
This is a good place to start:Lennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-senate/0 -
@pauloCanning: Why, after 9yrs, I am leaving Labour. Last straw? Antisemitism +hate. By @jonwillchambers https://t.co/5pQmsQaCkl https://t.co/TzzZ3TVzNe0
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I hope they're charged, totally irresponsible.
Those responsible are thought to be mostly German activists, who were photographed assisting the migrants across the river. Those pictures had blond hair, piercings, dreadlocks, and hippy-like attire.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/15/pictures-hippies-coordinate-mass-illegal-crossing-by-migrants-in-greece-thousands-detained/
According to Sunday Times journalist Bojan Pancevski, they were find just €250 and set free.
Most shockingly, however, three migrants died during the escapade – reported to be a pregnant woman, her teenage sister and a man. It is not know if the allegedly German activists will be investigated for manslaughter.0 -
You are less lazy (and more skilled) than mePulpstar said:
Cruz would win me the most (slightly), but Trump was my most recent bet to get him into 4 figures (just) for the nomination.Casino_Royale said:
To be honest, I just want someone to win now.Pulpstar said:
I think Rubio is done now, after covering him at ~ 17s (Hah !). My main annoyance with him has been that I like hassle free winners in political betting and his backers have caused trouble on Betfair way beyond his normal price.Casino_Royale said:
It is. He's complex. Remains to be seen if he'll win, though.
Also, Rubio (your favourite) has impressed me more recently. Very good interview posted on thread last night where I thought he sounded measured and sensible and far less robotic, more human, than usual.
Of course it's provided some magnificent opportunities to take advantage of, but it's been irritating and a bit worrying at times.
If only I had the courage of my convictions !
I'm bored of the whole race and just want my winnings paid out ;-)
Which leads to a psychological flaw - I'd subconsciously rather win less with Trump than with Cruz right now as Cruz was higher and Trump lower. Which is a nonsense.
If Trump wins Ohio, I might try and reback Cruz for £50 or something tbh.
I put a lot of effort into GE2015
On the US race I've basically just tried to read the markets and the race, and pick a winner (trading very occasionally along the way where there be value)
But that's all I've done.0 -
Looking at wiki, I reckon our parents fleeced us. Party Politics SP was 14/1.Pulpstar said:
I backed that one too, I couldn't watch it as I was singing Handel's Messiah as a soprano. My parents came into the church and gave me a thumbs up - that was when I knew I'd won £10 or somethingTheScreamingEagles said:
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics
I got £20 out of that and spent it on Now That's What I Call Music 21 CD, was an awesome CD, had Bohemian Rhapsody and 2 Unlimited on it.
One of the best Nows ever.0 -
Miss Plato, aching hearts and empty heads.0
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We need to enter a horse called Alternative Vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics0 -
Oh dear, Bojo does the Hokey Cokey again
@politicshome: NEW: Boris Johnson cools backing for Canadian-style EU deal: https://t.co/sFxD6ZfC0y https://t.co/PQWfSViUsv0 -
No that makes Leave not a single uniform alternative. If you're talking about a single individual suggesting we will have full control over our borders, while you have the same person saying we'll be in the EEA, then that's dishonest.JosiasJessop said:
Actually, I don't see all of it as BS. There is clearly some BS amongst it, but IMO the same can be said for leave.Philip_Thompson said:
I started this campaign as a Remain voter. I'd like to see something positive of why the EU is good for us rather than clearly BS negativity. The Remain campaign is driving me further and further away as I know it's BS, you know it's BS and they must know it's BS. But if that's the best Remain can come up with then let's just go with having our sovereignty and sort it all out from there.JosiasJessop said:
As a matter of interest, what could Cameron (or anyone else) say that you would see as persuasive?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I saw some of his speech. It was about as persuasive as a phone call from Blair offering to sell me PPI.
If the answer is nothing, then you are clearly not the target market for the comments.
(That is not a dig, btw).
For instance, telling some people we will have full control over borders to stop immigration, whilst telling others we'll be in the EEA, is the height of dishonest BS. Leave's dishonesty on this makes remain look like paragons of virtue.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave so we can control immigration they're telling their truth.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave and join the EEA they're telling their truth.
No dishonesty, just disagreement. That's called democracy, if we Leave at any General Election we can fight over and resolve these disagreements.0 -
I'd rather feel all smug and superior as we keep our own £15 billion and grow better than them.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, we need the Welsh and the Scots. I like reminding them England keeps on subsidising them, I mean last week we found out we subsidised the Scots to the tune of £15 billion per year.Philip_Thompson said:
How about we cut off the Welsh too and are just England free and proud?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit leads to an Independent Scotland and Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
France.TheScreamingEagles said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IrelandTGOHF said:
Patriotic for which country ?TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
They've got all those farmers to subsidise with wine nobody drinks.
As a proud Englishman, I don't want to be left with the flipping Welsh.
On a completely unrelated bonus our 12 seat majority would be a 105 seat majority and that's before boundary reforms too.
Allows me to feel all smug and superior0 -
My first win was West Tip in the National. Mid 80s?Pulpstar said:
I backed that one too, I couldn't watch it as I was singing Handel's Messiah as a soprano. My parents came into the church and gave me a thumbs up - that was when I knew I'd won £10 or somethingTheScreamingEagles said:
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics0 -
Mr. Eagles, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
Lyrics of which to be proud.0 -
I'm a One Nation Tory, paternalism is in my nature (plus it annoys the Nats)Philip_Thompson said:
I'd rather feel all smug and superior as we keep our own £15 billion and grow better than them.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, we need the Welsh and the Scots. I like reminding them England keeps on subsidising them, I mean last week we found out we subsidised the Scots to the tune of £15 billion per year.Philip_Thompson said:
How about we cut off the Welsh too and are just England free and proud?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit leads to an Independent Scotland and Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
France.TheScreamingEagles said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern IrelandTGOHF said:
Patriotic for which country ?TheScreamingEagles said:Dave saying it is the patriotic thing is to remain in the EU
They've got all those farmers to subsidise with wine nobody drinks.
As a proud Englishman, I don't want to be left with the flipping Welsh.
On a completely unrelated bonus our 12 seat majority would be a 105 seat majority and that's before boundary reforms too.
Allows me to feel all smug and superior0 -
@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Vicky Kirby to be suspended by Labour for a second time over anti-Semitic tweets, Politics Home has learned.
...but not expelled0 -
Yes we do, it might not finish first, but it still might win.Casino_Royale said:
We need to enter a horse called Alternative Vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics0 -
Of course, if the Senate was proportionate rather the granting every state two senators, then Republican majorities would be as hard to achieve in it as they are in the Presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:
For the SenateLennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/
for the House
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2016_generic_congressional_vote-5279.html#polls0 -
Surely the favourite would always win.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes we do, it might not finish first, but it still might win.Casino_Royale said:
We need to enter a horse called Alternative Vote.TheScreamingEagles said:
My first ever bet was on Party Politics winning the 1992 Grand National.Casino_Royale said:
I won on Sardam Hussein back at Aintree in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
I do Cheltenham, The Grand National and Goodwood, I generally pick the horses by which name amuses me the mostCasino_Royale said:
Like a lucky dip.TheScreamingEagles said:
TSE's glue predictorScott_P said:Nobody else betting on Cheltenham?
13.30: Mister Miyagi
14:10 Game Changer
14:50: Un Temps Pour Tout silkUn Temps Pour Tou
15:30: Sempre Medici
16:10: Bitofapuzzle
16:50: Waldorf Salad
17:30: Five In A Row
Only horses I do are at the National.
I was like, well, no one else is backing him right now.
I was 13 at the time, and my Dad asked me which horse he should put his money on, he gave me a list of names, and I thought there's a General Election in five days time, I'm backing Party Politics0 -
Lying TedCasino_Royale said:
We need to enter a horse called Alternative Vote.
Little Marco
Big Don
would be amusing names now. Perhaps more likely for US racing though.0 -
If I was a Californian, I'd be so pissed off with that, my state (population 50 odd million) gets as many Senators as tiny little Wyoming with their five hundred thousand population.Casino_Royale said:
Of course, if the Senate was proportionate rather the granting every state two senators, then Republican majorities would be as hard to achieve in it as they are in the Presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:
For the SenateLennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/
for the House
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2016_generic_congressional_vote-5279.html#polls0 -
Maomentum
With Tories divided, it's surely now time for @UKLabour to unite and fight the real enemy: people who complain about anti-Semitism.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: BREAKING: Vicky Kirby to be suspended by Labour for a second time over anti-Semitic tweets, Politics Home has learned.
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richardDodd said:
Does anyone.in any Government anywhere really understand exactly what "Zero Carbon" means..
Is it a new flavour of coke cola?richardDodd said:Does anyone.in any Government anywhere really understand exactly what "Zero Carbon" means..
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I remember when George Zimmerman was tried for killing Trayvon Martin, that some of the comments from media and left wing politicians were appallingly irresponsible, in deeming him guilty after he'd been tried and acquitted. Some of them seemed to me to be inciting people to go after him.Pulpstar said:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/13/politics/thomas-dimassimo-donald-trump-protester-interview/RodCrosby said:"The media wants a member of the public to kill Donald Trump."
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/is-the-media-inciting-violence-against-donald-trump/news-story/8ff43d098b874fe9fcba4e64b9aaba95?sv=3d49f07b68d65085f0621bac91429d28
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Cameron's PigPulpstar said:
Lying TedCasino_Royale said:
We need to enter a horse called Alternative Vote.
Little Marco
Big Don
would be amusing names now. Perhaps more likely for US racing though.
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Yeah, I though that could be one of the liliputian places that might be stitched for Cruz to get through the 8-state gate at the Convention...Pulpstar said:Plato_Says said:ABC
NEW: Donald Trump wins Northern Mariana Islands Republican caucuses, according to N. Mariana Islands GOP, snagging nine pledged delegates.
He had the backing of the governor there so it always looked likely, but 9 welcome delegates nonetheless.
What's the latest on American Samoa?0 -
I thought it was going to be this, till i read down thread:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
Lyrics of which to be proud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2oBUF4oh8w
(chorus at 1:25 or so)0 -
Sorry, but that's rubbish because the two options are mutually exclusive. Leave are dishonestly trying to create a big tent in which large segments will be discontent after the vote. Leave are ignoring this issue when it should be front and centre.Philip_Thompson said:
No that makes Leave not a single uniform alternative. If you're talking about a single individual suggesting we will have full control over our borders, while you have the same person saying we'll be in the EEA, then that's dishonest.JosiasJessop said:
Actually, I don't see all of it as BS. There is clearly some BS amongst it, but IMO the same can be said for leave.Philip_Thompson said:
I started this campaign as a Remain voter. I'd like to see something positive of why the EU is good for us rather than clearly BS negativity. The Remain campaign is driving me further and further away as I know it's BS, you know it's BS and they must know it's BS. But if that's the best Remain can come up with then let's just go with having our sovereignty and sort it all out from there.JosiasJessop said:
As a matter of interest, what could Cameron (or anyone else) say that you would see as persuasive?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I saw some of his speech. It was about as persuasive as a phone call from Blair offering to sell me PPI.
If the answer is nothing, then you are clearly not the target market for the comments.
(That is not a dig, btw).
For instance, telling some people we will have full control over borders to stop immigration, whilst telling others we'll be in the EEA, is the height of dishonest BS. Leave's dishonesty on this makes remain look like paragons of virtue.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave so we can control immigration they're telling their truth.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave and join the EEA they're telling their truth.
No dishonesty, just disagreement. That's called democracy, if we Leave at any General Election we can fight over and resolve these disagreements.
Worse, it's setting up massive arguments amongst leave supporters if leave win. What does the vote even mean? Many will say it means the EEA approach, whilst others will argue against that. And our negotiations with the EU will have to be undertaken in such an environment.
If Remain are selling a false prospectus, then Leave's isn't even a prospectus. It's a load of disjointed grumbles.
As I've said many times before, the fear (and that is the right word) of further integration is pushing me towards voting leave. One of the factors pushing me back towards remain is the fact that Remain are to stupid to know, or dishonest to say, what a leave vote means.
For the moment, the former factor is heavier than the latter.
For the moment.0 -
Two thirds of Senators get elected in non-Presidential years so probably not. It's worth noting that until very recently, Democrats were competitive at Senate level, in small rural States, that vote Republican at Presidential level, such as the Dakotas, Nebraska, Arkansas, etc. but they no longer seem interested in trying to appeal to such voters.Casino_Royale said:
Of course, if the Senate was proportionate rather the granting every state two senators, then Republican majorities would be as hard to achieve in it as they are in the Presidency.TheScreamingEagles said:
For the SenateLennon said:Totally O/T - but does anyone have a link to polls / predictions for the Congress and Senate races? I appreciate that we're all focused on the Presidental, but I suspect that there are some really interesting races down the ticket and am just not sure where to start looking for details etc.? Cheers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/senate/
for the House
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2016_generic_congressional_vote-5279.html#polls
If the Republicans hadn't picked some dire candidates for the Senate in recent years, they'd have a real hammer lock on it.0 -
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Which countries have the most doctors per capita? Some have 3 times more than others.
@OECD chart https://t.co/SbIkukTh4P0 -
I absolutely adored 2 Unlimiteddugarbandier said:
I thought it was going to be this, till i read down thread:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
Lyrics of which to be proud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2oBUF4oh8w
(chorus at 1:25 or so)
This was their finest hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTm_BhZdOE0 -
The press conference at the release of the report into the ferguson incident was particularly bad. The police officer was still being treated as guilty despite the evidence of the official report that said the opposite including testimonials from many eye witnesses.Sean_F said:
I remember when George Zimmerman was tried for killing Trayvon Martin, that some of the comments from media and left wing politicians were appallingly irresponsible, in deeming him guilty after he'd been tried and acquitted. Some of them seemed to me to be inciting people to go after him.Pulpstar said:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/13/politics/thomas-dimassimo-donald-trump-protester-interview/RodCrosby said:"The media wants a member of the public to kill Donald Trump."
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/is-the-media-inciting-violence-against-donald-trump/news-story/8ff43d098b874fe9fcba4e64b9aaba95?sv=3d49f07b68d65085f0621bac91429d28
Irresponsible by CNN in the extreme.
They then released all the evidence and nobody has challenged it's accuracy, but some.parts of the media still.tall about it in tones the the officer was guilty.0 -
On topic
Public confidence in the economic recovery is falling, it was revealed today on the eve of George Osborne’s eighth budget.
More people now feel their families are getting worse off, and fewer think the Chancellor can steer the country away from the rocks, according to a study by BMG Research.
The findings come as Mr Osborne is expected to unveil more pessimistic forecasts for growth and borrowing in tomorrow’s Budget speech.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/more-people-feeling-worse-off-as-confidence-in-economy-slumps-a3203591.html0 -
No idea, I put £2 on Rand Paul when John Yob won the Virgin Islands thoughRodCrosby said:
Yeah, I though that could be one of the liliputian places that might be stitched for Cruz to get through the 8-state gate at the Convention...Pulpstar said:Plato_Says said:ABC
NEW: Donald Trump wins Northern Mariana Islands Republican caucuses, according to N. Mariana Islands GOP, snagging nine pledged delegates. He had the backing of the governor there so it always looked likely, but 9 welcome delegates nonetheless.
What's the latest on American Samoa?
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DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink0 -
The Green candidate who stood against me in 2015 because he thought I was insufficiently left-wing, snaffling enough votes to be half of the Tory majority, has now rejoined Labour. Better late than never, I suppose (grump!).kle4 said:
Interesting. I do wonder how a Green party here would do if they were not so overwhelmingly left wing. I suppose it wouldn't make that much difference, dominated by the big three (now two) as we are, you'd still get the big two full of very Green members among the non-greens.0 -
So those of us who said he shouldn't have spent the phantom £20bn the OBR came up with and pressed ahead with the cuts were right. Osborne bottled it in October to protect his chances of becoming PM. Ruining the national finances to become leader. As bad a Brown.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic
Public confidence in the economic recovery is falling, it was revealed today on the eve of George Osborne’s eighth budget.
More people now feel their families are getting worse off, and fewer think the Chancellor can steer the country away from the rocks, according to a study by BMG Research.
The findings come as Mr Osborne is expected to unveil more pessimistic forecasts for growth and borrowing in tomorrow’s Budget speech.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/more-people-feeling-worse-off-as-confidence-in-economy-slumps-a3203591.html0 -
People will vote Leave for differing reasons. Leave are under no obligation to tell one or other group of supporters that they don't want their votes.JosiasJessop said:
Sorry, but that's rubbish because the two options are mutually exclusive. Leave are dishonestly trying to create a big tent in which large segments will be discontent after the vote. Leave are ignoring this issue when it should be front and centre.Philip_Thompson said:JosiasJessop said:
Actually, I don't see all of it as BS. There is clearly some BS amongst it, but IMO the same can be said for leave.Philip_Thompson said:
.JosiasJessop said:
As a matter of interest, what could Cameron (or anyone else) say that you would see as persuasive?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I saw some of his speech. It was about as persuasive as a phone call from Blair offering to sell me PPI.
If the answer is nothing, then you are clearly not the target market for the comments.
(That is not a dig, btw).
For instance, telling some people we will have full control over borders to stop immigration, whilst telling others we'll be in the EEA, is the height of dishonest BS. Leave's dishonesty on this makes remain look like paragons of virtue.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave so we can control immigration they're telling their truth.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave and join the EEA they're telling their truth.
No dishonesty, just disagreement. That's called democracy, if we Leave at any General Election we can fight over and resolve these disagreements.
Worse, it's setting up massive arguments amongst leave supporters if leave win. What does the vote even mean? Many will say it means the EEA approach, whilst others will argue against that. And our negotiations with the EU will have to be undertaken in such an environment.
If Remain are selling a false prospectus, then Leave's isn't even a prospectus. It's a load of disjointed grumbles.
As I've said many times before, the fear (and that is the right word) of further integration is pushing me towards voting leave. One of the factors pushing me back towards remain is the fact that Remain are to stupid to know, or dishonest to say, what a leave vote means.
For the moment, the former factor is heavier than the latter.
For the moment.
In the same way that there are people who will vote Remain because they think that David Cameron has prevented further integration, and there will be people who will vote Remain because they think we're heading for a United States of Europe. There'll be people who vote Remain because they think the EU entrenches liberal capitalism, and people who will vote remain because they think it entrenches social democracy.0 -
hmm. no think they were out of ideas by this one. connaisseurs (sp?) prefer the KLFTheScreamingEagles said:Actually maybe Twilight Zone was better
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Philip Thompson - is that true about a £15bn subsidy? Or is that the prospective fiscal deficit of an independent Scotland - not the same thing!0
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Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink0 -
altern8 was the first cd (as opposed to other formats) that i bought 0
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I liked the KLF too, I was often up until 3am listening to their musicdugarbandier said:
hmm. no think they were out of ideas by this one. connaisseurs (sp?) prefer the KLFTheScreamingEagles said:Actually maybe Twilight Zone was better
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TheScreamingEagles said:
I liked the KLF too, I was often up until 3am listening to their musicdugarbandier said:
hmm. no think they were out of ideas by this one. connaisseurs (sp?) prefer the KLFTheScreamingEagles said:Actually maybe Twilight Zone was better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VfmhAlTO8
I bet they now wish they hadn't burned that million quid...TheScreamingEagles said:
I liked the KLF too, I was often up until 3am listening to their musicdugarbandier said:
hmm. no think they were out of ideas by this one. connaisseurs (sp?) prefer the KLFTheScreamingEagles said:Actually maybe Twilight Zone was better
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A joke both unjustified and ancient.TheScreamingEagles said:
I liked the KLF too, I was often up until 3am listening to their musicdugarbandier said:
hmm. no think they were out of ideas by this one. connaisseurs (sp?) prefer the KLFTheScreamingEagles said:Actually maybe Twilight Zone was better
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He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink0 -
@DPJHodges: We're entering the "Knowing" phase of the referendum campaign. The moment people feel compelled to say knowingly "Brexit may just win".0
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Back in about 1994, I remember being dragged out of one club and into another which seemed to play nothing but 2 Unlimited for hours, including the same track on repeat for about half an hour. (*)TheScreamingEagles said:
I absolutely adored 2 Unlimiteddugarbandier said:
I thought it was going to be this, till i read down thread:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
Lyrics of which to be proud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2oBUF4oh8w
(chorus at 1:25 or so)
This was their finest hit
(Snip)
You'd have loved it.
(*) how could anyone notice?
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@LadPolitics: Fancy any of these to get a mention in The Budget? #BuzzwordBingo
https://t.co/DtGI4e41sH https://t.co/Ag373x20zn0 -
Matt Hone
This is wonderful. It is my birthday and Christmas rolled into one. Private Eye takes down hideous fraud Mo Ansar. https://t.co/Ozg2D4cnf30 -
He was really pumped up todayTheScreamingEagles said:
He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink
so full of wind then ?
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Nah, politicians are an odd bunch, one minute they’re shouting at each other across the dispatch box and the next minute it's best mates in the subsidised member’s bar.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
It’s all pantomime.0 -
Nonsense, he was like William III just before the Battle of the BoyneAlanbrooke said:
He was really pumped up todayTheScreamingEagles said:
He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink
so full of wind then ?
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He isn't still on the scene is he? I thought Iain dale expose on him should have been enough to.send.him back to the real world.Plato_Says said:Matt Hone
This is wonderful. It is my birthday and Christmas rolled into one. Private Eye takes down hideous fraud Mo Ansar. https://t.co/Ozg2D4cnf3
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Ukip guy on DP very measured and solid. Stephen Woolfe IIRC0
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And if you want to know more:Plato_Says said:Matt Hone
This is wonderful. It is my birthday and Christmas rolled into one. Private Eye takes down hideous fraud Mo Ansar. https://t.co/Ozg2D4cnf3
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Big hammy face glowing bright red like a baboons bottom.Alanbrooke said:
He was really pumped up todayTheScreamingEagles said:
He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink
so full of wind then ?0 -
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@RKWinvisibleman: In suspending this woman from membership again, @UKLabour described her tweets as "anti-Israeli". #euphemisms https://t.co/kEFn3LYDTo0 -
@politicsmarkets: William Hill Budget Bingo: 'Oil Price' 8/11, 'Hard Working Families' 7/4, 'Brexit' 2/1, 'Junior Doctors 5/1, 'Boris' 7/1, 'Trump' 33/1.0
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I'm amazed at how much time DC has appeared to have to devote to the "renegotiation" and campaign already - makes you wonder what he does the rest of the time.Alanbrooke said:
He was really pumped up todayTheScreamingEagles said:
He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink
so full of wind then ?0 -
I hope that is not a sign of dementia developing.!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you demonstrate the difficulties we all have with this decision and the only redeeming feature as far as I can see is that 23rd June is not far away and there will be 4 years for the Conservative party to resolve it's issues and get on governing the country. At 72 years I finally joined the Conservative party last week.kle4 said:
On here and among the political commentariat? Not as many as the public at large.Big_G_NorthWales said:I wonder just how many of those for remain or leave are genuinely conflicted and will accept the will of the people without recourse to acrimony to the losing side.
I was a reluctant remain for a long time, and can admit that as I have a spine like jelly a part of me is worried about the uncertainties of Leave and a guilty part would not mind being able to vote the way I want, Leave, and not suffer any potential consequences as a result, and part of the reason I admit it is to shore up my resolve to vote Leave. But for acrimony it's not a problem for me - the worse acrimony appears to be an internal Tory battle of which the EU is the largest element but not the entirety of it (for some at least, there are die hard Cameroons angry with him over this), and at the end of the day I think no matter the tactics of either side, there are enough voices being heard putting out the proper arguments that if we vote Remain the only people to 'blame' are the public themselves, and that's not a position I would want to be in, being angry at the public as a whole.
On this though I don't know that I can agree - Cameron might be the most suitable to reside over a unity Cabinet, but if the campaign gets any more poisonous, a unity cabinet might not be an option. That he is not personally standing again is immaterial, as he is crucial to the contest of those who will be PM after him, and when that will be, so that some people as you say want him to go simply as they do not like him or think it will aid their politics is pretty relevant when combined with the demands that will occur for him to go if Leave wins from more than the usual suspects. It's too much to withstand, I think.Big_G_NorthWales said:However, irrespective of the final outcome I do not see David Cameron leaving the Government as he is the only politician remotely suitable to preside over a unity cabinet, post referendum. He is not in a contest with Boris or anyone else for Prime Minister as he is clearly standing down in the next few years. There are some who want David Cameron to go as they simply do not like him or more likely think it will aid their own political views, especially labour and lid dem supporters. .
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Well said. We've Jeremy Clarkson wanting standardised plugs and a single army, then expats choosing immediate safety first for themselves.Sean_F said:
People will vote Leave for differing reasons. Leave are under no obligation to tell one or other group of supporters that they don't want their votes.JosiasJessop said:
Sorry, but that's rubbish because the two options are mutually exclusive. Leave are dishonestly trying to create a big tent in which large segments will be discontent after the vote. Leave are ignoring this issue when it should be front and centre.Philip_Thompson said:JosiasJessop said:
Actually, I don't see all of it as BS. There is clearly some BS amongst it, but IMO the same can be said for leave.Philip_Thompson said:
.JosiasJessop said:
.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, I saw some of his speech. It was about as persuasive as a phone call from Blair offering to sell me PPI.
For instance, telling some people we will have full control over borders to stop immigration, whilst telling others we'll be in the EEA, is the height of dishonest BS. Leave's dishonesty on this makes remain look like paragons of virtue.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave so we can control immigration they're telling their truth.
If you've got someone saying we should Leave and join the EEA they're telling their truth.
No dishonesty, just disagreement. That's called democracy, if we Leave at any General Election we can fight over and resolve these disagreements.
Worse, it's setting up massive arguments amongst leave supporters if leave win. What does the vote even mean? Many will say it means the EEA approach, whilst others will argue against that. And our negotiations with the EU will have to be undertaken in such an environment.
If Remain are selling a false prospectus, then Leave's isn't even a prospectus. It's a load of disjointed grumbles.
As I've said many times before, the fear (and that is the right word) of further integration is pushing me towards voting leave. One of the factors pushing me back towards remain is the fact that Remain are to stupid to know, or dishonest to say, what a leave vote means.
For the moment, the former factor is heavier than the latter.
For the moment.
In the same way that there are people who will vote Remain because they think that David Cameron has prevented further integration, and there will be people who will vote Remain because they think we're heading for a United States of Europe. There'll be people who vote Remain because they think the EU entrenches liberal capitalism, and people who will vote remain because they think it entrenches social democracy.0 -
So what if it sets up an argument afterwards? That is what democracy is for. Should we scrap all future elections because people may have disagreements and there's more than one opposition party?JosiasJessop said:Sorry, but that's rubbish because the two options are mutually exclusive. Leave are dishonestly trying to create a big tent in which large segments will be discontent after the vote. Leave are ignoring this issue when it should be front and centre.
Worse, it's setting up massive arguments amongst leave supporters if leave win. What does the vote even mean? Many will say it means the EEA approach, whilst others will argue against that. And our negotiations with the EU will have to be undertaken in such an environment.
If Remain are selling a false prospectus, then Leave's isn't even a prospectus. It's a load of disjointed grumbles.
As I've said many times before, the fear (and that is the right word) of further integration is pushing me towards voting leave. One of the factors pushing me back towards remain is the fact that Remain are to stupid to know, or dishonest to say, what a leave vote means.
For the moment, the former factor is heavier than the latter.
For the moment.
There is no dishonesty as the necessary prerequisite for both options it to Leave first. If you want to control immigration then vote Leave. If you want to join the EEA then vote Leave.
If there is a Leave vote then we have democracy to sort out our own future.0 -
I was in the Executive Lounge at Chelsea 20 odd years ago, and David Mellor and Tony Banks were on the same table, laughing and joking. I mentioned it to someone and he said they are always together at matches, they are good mates.SimonStClare said:
Nah, politicians are an odd bunch, one minute they’re shouting at each other across the dispatch box and the next minute it's best mates in the subsidised member’s bar.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
It’s all pantomime.0 -
Steven Woolfe played a straight bat against Caroline Fairburn the head of CBI. She left looking very shifty. "wrong on ERM, the Euro and now the EU".
BBCDP in their usual balanced way now have Caroline Lucas (pro EU) following pro EU Caroline Fairburn...0 -
Tony Banks was good mates with John Major, they used to be Lambeth councillors in the 70s as well as Chelsea fans.nigel4england said:
I was in the Executive Lounge at Chelsea 20 odd years ago, and David Mellor and Tony Banks were on the same table, laughing and joking. I mentioned it to someone and he said they are always together at matches, they are good mates.SimonStClare said:
Nah, politicians are an odd bunch, one minute they’re shouting at each other across the dispatch box and the next minute it's best mates in the subsidised member’s bar.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
It’s all pantomime.0 -
A gay man with a his bottom astride on a lump of throbbing flesh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nonsense, he was like William III just before the Battle of the BoyneAlanbrooke said:
He was really pumped up todayTheScreamingEagles said:
He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink
so full of wind then ?
(Sorry JackW)
It's a view I suppose.0 -
Presumably because he thinks Lab are now sufficiently left wing.NickPalmer said:
The Green candidate who stood against me in 2015 because he thought I was insufficiently left-wing, snaffling enough votes to be half of the Tory majority, has now rejoined Labour. Better late than never, I suppose (grump!).kle4 said:
Interesting. I do wonder how a Green party here would do if they were not so overwhelmingly left wing. I suppose it wouldn't make that much difference, dominated by the big three (now two) as we are, you'd still get the big two full of very Green members among the non-greens.0 -
Leave may not be under any obligation to tell people they don't want their votes, but they are under an obligation to say what Leave means, and let people decide from that. Instead, they are being dishonest.Sean_F said:People will vote Leave for differing reasons. Leave are under no obligation to tell one or other group of supporters that they don't want their votes.
In the same way that there are people who will vote Remain because they think that David Cameron has prevented further integration, and there will be people who will vote Remain because they think we're heading for a United States of Europe. There'll be people who vote Remain because they think the EU entrenches liberal capitalism, and people who will vote remain because they think it entrenches social democracy.
As for your second paragraph: IMO the chasm that lies at the heart of Leave is far deeper than Remain's rift. For one thing, if you want to know what Remain means, there's a solid track record (which is why I'll probably be voting Leave). If you vote remain, expect more of the same.
The same cannot be said for Leave. Who knows what the f a Leave vote means?
This ridiculous situation has come about because after decades of complaining and grumbling, the hardcore outers have suddenly found themselves utterly unprepared for an historic opportunity. I do wonder if this has occurred through rank incompetence, or because some of the outers get money and/or influence from the current situation?
And this matters. I'm really concerned about the chaos that may occur after a leave vote when one batch of leave voters or the other realise they've been sold a pup.0 -
Definitely time for me to do my Cameron as Jesus thread this weekend.Alanbrooke said:
A gay man with a his bottom astride on a lump of throbbing flesh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nonsense, he was like William III just before the Battle of the BoyneAlanbrooke said:
He was really pumped up todayTheScreamingEagles said:
He was really pumped up today. That should frighten Leave.FrancisUrquhart said:
Cameron Christmas card list is going to be a hell of a lot smaller this year & I don't think he will need to find as much room for incoming ones either.TheScreamingEagles said:DAVID Cameron has hit out at Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign accusing them of "making it up as they go along" on Brexit.
The Prime Minister said those who want to vote out in the upcoming referendum cannot say what Britain will look like outside the EU.
He didn't refer to him by name, but his attack on the "leaders of the Leave campaign" was clearly meant as a swipe at the Mayor of London.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7001890/Cameron-accuses-Boris-of-making-it-up-as-he-goes-along-over-Brexit.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunPolitics-_-20160315-_-Politics-_-396984721-_-Imageandlink
so full of wind then ?
(Sorry JackW)
It's a view I suppose.0 -
Thank goodness for Guido!
“Vicki Kirby has been suspended from the Labour Party pending an investigation.”
"Two Labour extremists suspended in six days following stories from Guido’s anti-extremism Labour Party vetting service…"0 -
It's remarkable how many commentators fail to see this and instead still churn out copy about how no-one knows what Trump believes. Anyone outside a narrowly drawn managerial political spectrum doesn't compute for them.Pulpstar said:He's impressed me in the debates by going so completely off book. South Carolina was the pinnacle I think...
Defending planned parenthood, attacking Dubya over 9-11 and Iraq, not being worried about kipping what many see was a critical debate (Short term perhaps harmful, long term has worked out fine). He's a politician dealing in conviction, not the minutiae of game theory that alot of others (See Ed Miliband here) do - particularly in debates do.0 -
I'm sure Remain will be most vociferous about this.JosiasJessop said:
Leave may not be under any obligation to tell people they don't want their votes, but they are under an obligation to say what Leave means, and let people decide from that. Instead, they are being dishonest.Sean_F said:People will vote Leave for differing reasons. Leave are under no obligation to tell one or other group of supporters that they don't want their votes.
In the same way that there are people who will vote Remain because they think that David Cameron has prevented further integration, and there will be people who will vote Remain because they think we're heading for a United States of Europe. There'll be people who vote Remain because they think the EU entrenches liberal capitalism, and people who will vote remain because they think it entrenches social democracy.
As for your second paragraph: IMO the chasm that lies at the heart of Leave is far deeper than Remain's rift. For one thing, if you want to know what Remain means, there's a solid track record (which is why I'll probably be voting Leave). If you vote remain, expect more of the same.
The same cannot be said for Leave. Who knows what the f a Leave vote means?
This ridiculous situation has come about because after decades of complaining and grumbling, the hardcore outers have suddenly found themselves utterly unprepared for an historic opportunity. I do wonder if this has occurred through rank incompetence, or because some of the outers get money and/or influence from the current situation?
And this matters. I'm really concerned about the chaos that may occur after a leave vote when one batch of leave voters or the other realise they've been sold a pup.0
