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Bloomfield (Lab defence) on Blackpool
Result: Labour 450 (58% +13%), Conservative 150 (19% -1%), United Kingdom Independence Party 118 (15% -10%), Green Party 32 (4% -5%), Liberal Democrat 31 (4%, no candidate in 2015)
Labour HOLD with a majority of 300 (39%) on a swing of 7% from Conservative to Labour
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That should have been my first! I got that discussion ID thingy.
Lib Dem surge in May?0 -
So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?0
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What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...0
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Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.tlg86 said:So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?
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Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
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Yup lots of hysterical people about these days..TheScreamingEagles said:
You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.0 -
What an awesome last couple of laps by Jonathan Dibben to win the points race. Chapeau Sir!0
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This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.tlg86 said:So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?
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60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
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Genuine question: what was the proposal?Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
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It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.
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Looking at your comment you are not talking about pension relief but something else.
Still something the govt were consulting about. It's tough I grant you but governments look at stuff all the time.0 -
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
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You've nailed my betting and shoe buying strategyPulpstar said:
This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.tlg86 said:So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?
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I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.0 -
Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of orderydoethur said:
I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.0 -
Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.flightpath01 said:
It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.0 -
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of orderydoethur said:
I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
The BCC have Streisanded themselves nicely.
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Anyone on a contract longer than 1 month would have to be employed by the company they were doing the work for.Cyclefree said:
Genuine question: what was the proposal?Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.0 -
Is the increase in the National living Wage and the apprentice levies the cause of your concern as they seem reasonable policiesRichard_Tyndall said:
Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.flightpath01 said:
It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.0 -
Going a bit Don Corleone there.Charles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holdsCharles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
You are wise to do so.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne is, frankly, a piece of scum.0 -
I am minded to say that on that basis any opinion presented by the BCC is pretty meaningless. How can it know what it's members want or think.What is the BCC for?oldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
I think the same would apply to the IoD and the CBI etc.0 -
Apols if previously posted.
Spain seem to want to violate the Treaty of Utrecht.
http://www.thelocal.es/20160304/spain-waiting-to-pounce-if-gibraltar-leaves-the-eu0 -
Thank you.Richard_Tyndall said:
Anyone on a contract longer than 1 month would have to be employed by the company they were doing the work for.Cyclefree said:
Genuine question: what was the proposal?Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
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God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of orderydoethur said:
I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.0 -
Family, God, Queen & Country is the order of loyalty...Jonathan said:
Going a bit Don Corleone there.Charles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
That is not the point. He said it as Head of BCC representing many businesses of which 60% want to remainSean_F said:
God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of orderydoethur said:
I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.0 -
I thought 'near perfect' was the acceptable phrase.Sean_F said:
You are wise to do so.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne is, frankly, a piece of scum.
On a more serious note, agree with you 100% Sean.0 -
Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.TheScreamingEagles said:
You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holdsCharles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....don't you know House of Cards is on....0
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If his contract stipulates that he must campaign for the UK to be part of the EU, then you're correct. If it doesn't, you aren't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is not the point. He said it as Head of BCC representing many businesses of which 60% want to remainSean_F said:
God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of orderydoethur said:
I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.0 -
I feel your pain.Pulpstar said:
This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.tlg86 said:So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?
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They didn't did they....
The warning to staff came as one viewer of the BBC1 bulletin tweeted: “Subtle of the BBC to show a clip of Savile introducing Cliff Richard on ToTP.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/6975556/Cliff-Richard-angry-at-BBC.html0 -
He is the Head of BCC and was asked for the BBC view. I am in the undecided camp but am seeking accuracy from both sides as the debate continues. The case has not been made to me yet but I do appreciate some respect for my viewsLuckyguy1983 said:
He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holdsCharles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
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As head his position should be neutral at bestSean_F said:
If his contract stipulates that he must campaign for the UK to be part of the EU, then you're correct. If it doesn't, you aren't.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is not the point. He said it as Head of BCC representing many businesses of which 60% want to remainSean_F said:
God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of orderydoethur said:
I misread that as the BBC.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.0 -
I'm more forgiving of Ozzy than you.Alanbrooke said:
Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.TheScreamingEagles said:
You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
He was given a truly dire inheritance, and when he tried to do the right things, the country went batshit mental over minor things, cf Pasty tax or the undemocratic House of Lords breaking precedent and buggering up his budgets.0 -
Heh, my book is too small for that effect and Cruz negated it.Pong said:
I feel your pain.Pulpstar said:
This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.tlg86 said:So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?
Whats annoying is I did a "proper" cashout on Jeb, putting exactly £1.51 or w/e to bring him up to level the field. And now he's heading into the 200s or so !
The Bloomberg Rep Nom price is something else I can't really get my head round either.0 -
Nonsense the fact that you can only quote the trivia shows how little he has done.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more forgiving of Ozzy than you.Alanbrooke said:
Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.TheScreamingEagles said:
You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
He was given a truly dire inheritance, and when he tried to do the right things, the country went batshit mental over minor things, cf Pasty tax or the undemocratic House of Lords breaking precedent and buggering up his budgets.
He had a once in a lifetime opportunity to drive through major reforms and wasted it
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Tried to do the right things.......lolTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm more forgiving of Ozzy than you.Alanbrooke said:
Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.TheScreamingEagles said:
You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
He was given a truly dire inheritance, and when he tried to do the right things, the country went batshit mental over minor things, cf Pasty tax or the undemocratic House of Lords breaking precedent and buggering up his budgets.0 -
Then I'm sure you can quote the question asking him the view of the organisation, and him replying telling the interviewer that the view of the organisation was in favour of Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is the Head of BCC and was asked for the BBC view. I am in the undecided camp but am seeking accuracy from both sides as the debate continues. The case has not been made to me yet but I do appreciate some respect for my viewsLuckyguy1983 said:
He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holdsCharles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
"I'm a BBC journalist, but in a personal capacity, I'm now going to tell you why I support British membership of Europe."
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I think we should agree to disagree and I wish you and everyone a restful night.Luckyguy1983 said:
Then I'm sure you can quote the question asking him the view of the organisation, and him replying telling the interviewer that the view of the organisation was in favour of Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is the Head of BCC and was asked for the BBC view. I am in the undecided camp but am seeking accuracy from both sides as the debate continues. The case has not been made to me yet but I do appreciate some respect for my viewsLuckyguy1983 said:
He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holdsCharles said:
Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutraloldpolitics said:
60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.oldpolitics said:BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.0 -
Please explain how your company will be driven out of business.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.flightpath01 said:
It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.
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I already did to Cyclefree earlier in the thread.perdix said:
Please explain how your company will be driven out of business.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.flightpath01 said:
It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.Richard_Tyndall said:
Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.flightpath01 said:
Absurd hysteria.Richard_Tyndall said:
What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.TheScreamingEagles said:
When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.0
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