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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Local By-Election Results : March 3rd 2016

Bloomfield (Lab defence) on Blackpool
Result: Labour 450 (58% +13%), Conservative 150 (19% -1%), United Kingdom Independence Party 118 (15% -10%), Green Party 32 (4% -5%), Liberal Democrat 31 (4%, no candidate in 2015)
Labour HOLD with a majority of 300 (39%) on a swing of 7% from Conservative to Labour

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  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    First!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    That should have been my first! I got that discussion ID thingy.

    Lib Dem surge in May?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    tlg86 said:

    That should have been my first! I got that discussion ID thingy.

    Lib Dem surge in May?

    Not necessarily. I see their vote fell in Rutland.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    tlg86 said:

    So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?

    Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.
    Yup lots of hysterical people about these days..
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728
    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    What an awesome last couple of laps by Jonathan Dibben to win the points race. Chapeau Sir!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited March 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?

    Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.
    This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,504
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    Genuine question: what was the proposal?

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    edited March 2016
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.
    The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.

    Ah edit
    Looking at your comment you are not talking about pension relief but something else.
    Still something the govt were consulting about. It's tough I grant you but governments look at stuff all the time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?

    Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.
    This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.
    You've nailed my betting and shoe buying strategy :lol:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,178
    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    ydoethur said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
    Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of order
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728
    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.
    The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.
    Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
    Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of order

    The BCC have Streisanded themselves nicely.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728
    edited March 2016
    Cyclefree said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    Genuine question: what was the proposal?

    Anyone on a contract longer than 1 month would have to be employed by the company they were doing the work for.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.
    The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.
    Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.
    Is the increase in the National living Wage and the apprentice levies the cause of your concern as they seem reasonable policies
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,770
    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    Going a bit Don Corleone there.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holds
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You are wise to do so.

    Osborne is, frankly, a piece of scum.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    I am minded to say that on that basis any opinion presented by the BCC is pretty meaningless. How can it know what it's members want or think.What is the BCC for?
    I think the same would apply to the IoD and the CBI etc.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Apols if previously posted.
    Spain seem to want to violate the Treaty of Utrecht.
    http://www.thelocal.es/20160304/spain-waiting-to-pounce-if-gibraltar-leaves-the-eu
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,504
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    Genuine question: what was the proposal?

    Anyone on a contract longer than 1 month would have to be employed by the company they were doing the work for.
    Thank you.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
    Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of order
    God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    Going a bit Don Corleone there.
    Family, God, Queen & Country is the order of loyalty...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Sean_F said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
    Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of order
    God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.
    That is not the point. He said it as Head of BCC representing many businesses of which 60% want to remain
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Sean_F said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You are wise to do so.

    Osborne is, frankly, a piece of scum.
    I thought 'near perfect' was the acceptable phrase.
    On a more serious note, agree with you 100% Sean.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.
    Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,267
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holds
    He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....don't you know House of Cards is on....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sean_F said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
    Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of order
    God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.
    That is not the point. He said it as Head of BCC representing many businesses of which 60% want to remain
    If his contract stipulates that he must campaign for the UK to be part of the EU, then you're correct. If it doesn't, you aren't.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?

    Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.
    This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.
    I feel your pain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    They didn't did they....

    The warning to staff came as one viewer of the BBC1 bulletin tweeted: “Subtle of the BBC to show a clip of Savile introducing Cliff Richard on ToTP.”

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/6975556/Cliff-Richard-angry-at-BBC.html
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holds
    He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.
    He is the Head of BCC and was asked for the BBC view. I am in the undecided camp but am seeking accuracy from both sides as the debate continues. The case has not been made to me yet but I do appreciate some respect for my views
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Sean_F said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sean_F said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    ydoethur said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    I misread that as the BBC.

    But then I realised the idea that Auntie might take an anti-EU position was as far fetched as some of Osborne's budget plans.
    Sky have just played his interview as head of the BCC and he was just simply out of order
    God forbid that a businessman should think we'd be better off outside the EU.
    That is not the point. He said it as Head of BCC representing many businesses of which 60% want to remain
    If his contract stipulates that he must campaign for the UK to be part of the EU, then you're correct. If it doesn't, you aren't.
    As head his position should be neutral at best
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.
    Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.
    I'm more forgiving of Ozzy than you.

    He was given a truly dire inheritance, and when he tried to do the right things, the country went batshit mental over minor things, cf Pasty tax or the undemocratic House of Lords breaking precedent and buggering up his budgets.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    So if Osborne isn't going to raid pensions, how will he balance the books?

    Cuts or the OBR finding £46 billion down the back of the sofa.
    This OBR "cash" that's constantly lost and found is the equivalent of finding the cashout value of a large Trump bet has gone up £200 in the morning, so heading out to buy swanky new shoes only to find it's gone by evening as Trump has drifted or something.
    I feel your pain.
    Heh, my book is too small for that effect and Cruz negated it.

    Whats annoying is I did a "proper" cashout on Jeb, putting exactly £1.51 or w/e to bring him up to level the field. And now he's heading into the 200s or so !
    The Bloomberg Rep Nom price is something else I can't really get my head round either.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.
    Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.
    I'm more forgiving of Ozzy than you.

    He was given a truly dire inheritance, and when he tried to do the right things, the country went batshit mental over minor things, cf Pasty tax or the undemocratic House of Lords breaking precedent and buggering up his budgets.
    Nonsense the fact that you can only quote the trivia shows how little he has done.

    He had a once in a lifetime opportunity to drive through major reforms and wasted it

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    Great news for the SNP


    https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/705886512899031040
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    You're not the only one to say something like that to me recently.
    Pah I've been telling you that daily since 2011.
    I'm more forgiving of Ozzy than you.

    He was given a truly dire inheritance, and when he tried to do the right things, the country went batshit mental over minor things, cf Pasty tax or the undemocratic House of Lords breaking precedent and buggering up his budgets.
    Tried to do the right things.......lol
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,267
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holds
    He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.
    He is the Head of BCC and was asked for the BBC view. I am in the undecided camp but am seeking accuracy from both sides as the debate continues. The case has not been made to me yet but I do appreciate some respect for my views
    Then I'm sure you can quote the question asking him the view of the organisation, and him replying telling the interviewer that the view of the organisation was in favour of Brexit.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,674
    "I'm a BBC journalist, but in a personal capacity, I'm now going to tell you why I support British membership of Europe."

    Wouldn't go down so well here
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Charles said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    oldpolitics said:

    BCC Director General suspended for saying in a personal capacity that Britain would be better off outside the EU. So confident in their position are remain, they have to silence Leavers under threat of their jobs...

    He is head of the BCC of which 60% of his members are pro EU. In these circumstances he has to reflect the majority view or at the very least be neutral and he failed in this respect.
    60% said they were minded to vote to remain, in a poll of 2% of the membership, before the renegotiation shambles. The organisation has agreed not to take a position either way, so I don't see why its staff can't share their personal views.
    He is not staff - he is the head of the BCC and has a duty to remain at the very least neutral
    Not if it's clear he was acting in a personal capacity.

    As a case in point, our family has agreed not to take an official stance (despite the majority being in favour of Brexit). This is a personal request of the (non-family) chairman, who would be reference and linked in any press coverage because of his past roles. But we are free to do what we like in a personal capacity.
    He said it during an interview with Sky as 'Head of the BCC' and was an error in view of the position he holds
    He IS (or was) head of the BCC. He was asked for his view. He gave it. Had he been asked for the view of the BCC as an organisation, I'm sure he would have stated that opinion was mixed. The extent to which a prominent business figure stating an optimistic economic case post Brexit has upset you is alarming. 'Calm down dear' as a noted politician once said.
    He is the Head of BCC and was asked for the BBC view. I am in the undecided camp but am seeking accuracy from both sides as the debate continues. The case has not been made to me yet but I do appreciate some respect for my views
    Then I'm sure you can quote the question asking him the view of the organisation, and him replying telling the interviewer that the view of the organisation was in favour of Brexit.
    I think we should agree to disagree and I wish you and everyone a restful night.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.
    The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.
    Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.
    Please explain how your company will be driven out of business.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433

    New Thread New Thread

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728
    perdix said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorriesMP/status/705866230457114629/photo/1

    What is really sad is that as someone running a successful business I have really come to fear Osborne's budgets in a way I have never done before.
    Absurd hysteria.
    Really? And what the hell do you know? I the lead up to the autumn statement Osborne was seriously floating the idea of a proposal that overnight would have put me and tens of thousands of people like me out of business. It is still something they are apparently considering.

    When you have built up your own business over two decades and face the threat of it being wiped out overnight then you might not think it us such absurd hysteria.
    It may well be that your business is dependent on you getting an extra 15% tax relief on your pensions contributions compared to millions of normal people.
    The government published a consultation covering many issues some time ago. There was nothing secret about it. One option was to abolish reliefs altogether and to exempt pensions from tax.
    Nothing to do with pensions at all. That is just another normal budget swings and roundabouts. Taxes go up and down and we just put up with it. But when they decide to drive companies out of business it's a different matter.
    Please explain how your company will be driven out of business.

    I already did to Cyclefree earlier in the thread.
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