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I only said some Plato and you were not one of themPlato_Says said:Oh piffle, what complacency?
We're expecting to lose and are fighting like Hell to change the odds against us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think some on the leave side are becoming complacent. There is a long way to go and the releases from remain this week provide an insight into where the campaign will be argued but leave need to get away from crying 'dodgy dossiers' and 'project fear' and start engaging with their alternative vision of for the Country. It would be a start if they would with one voice agree that for a few years there will be a negative impact on growth but that they will be able to negotiate trade deals without free movement of labour to provide the mechanism to control immigration. They also need to recognise that we already are in control of our borders re the migration crisis and David Cameron is not going to agree anytime soon, whether in or out, to accept migrants flooding into Europe, though families and children who have family ties here should be allowed in to comply with International LawMarqueeMark said:
Yep, the monkeys have already flung all their shit out the cage.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?0 -
The issue is that NHS staffers were instructed to ask people to show their identity card - and refused to ask on the grounds that it discriminated against illegal immigrants.Charles said:
After which you get a nice Biometric identity card you are supposed to show whenever you want to use NHS services.Indigo said:
Its not considered remotely racist if they come from outside the EU.Charles said:IIRC there has been push back from NHS staffers asking for identification / proof of nationality on the grounds it is racist or something, so a lot of it is down to our failures to claim.
But I'm intrigued with the claims by Ireland (unless there is something specific related to the North). I didn't think we had that many retirees in Ireland!
https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/overviewYou’ll have to pay:
£150 per year as a student, eg £300 for a 2-year visa
£200 per year for all other visa and immigration applications, eg £1,000 for a 5-year visa
Dependants usually need to pay the same amount as you.
Imagine how much money £2-3000 is for a talented immigrant from the third world to find. Remember this money has to be paid upfront before they will even look at your visa application.
White Europeans having to provide identification = racist
Brown people from outside the EU having to pay for and provide identification = just fine
Funny old world.
Yes they're idiots.
My point was that it is too late for legal immigrants, they have been stiffed for a huge chunk of cash up front to give them a card, which presumably the muppets on the desk then don't ask for.
An IT consultant of my acquaintance here applied for a visa to the UK, very talented woman, got a job offer easily. So they have to apply for a visa. It's £1000 quid to apply for the visa. Before you get through the door of the visa centre you have to pay your NHS Surcharge. For her and her husband that is £2000. So £3000 to make the application, which can take several weeks to approve. What's the catch ? An IT consultant makes about £800 per month here before tax.0 -
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.
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The title of the article says they pay nothing, whereas they do pay. Regardless of what the charge is called, it has the same effect.Plato_Says said:1.8BN, not 20BN.
RobD said:
They are paying for something, as he himself said.Plato_Says said:Anyone care to explain this?
http://www.dcbmep.org/norwegian-ambassador-reveals-norway-doesnt-pay-for-eu-single-market-access/0 -
My guess and I've said it before was that the plan was for the referendum to be out of the way before the migrant crisis become too obvious to avoid (which was probably expected to be in August). Sadly the sheer numbers arriving now have thrown that plan out of the water - although whatever we see now is going to be no where near as bad as what we will see in August...SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
Worse Greece is going to enter another recession. I really don't see many tourists heading there from now on....0 -
How much porridge is the footballer looking at ?0
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Anyone not saving for their own pension (however small an amount they can contribute) is a fool.watford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
Cameron's lucky, if it continues, Leave will still be disorganised, and there's no migrant crisis.
I think what has freaked him is the number of senior Tories backing Leave.
I had a chat with someone from CCHQ before Christmas, they were expecting Grayling and IDS, and about 80 MPs.0 -
On these figures with the Yougov advice, LEAVE are in the lead.Plato_Says said:Number Cruncher
ICM (#EURef):
REMAIN 41 (-1) LEAVE 41 (+1) 26th-29th N=2,003
https://t.co/wsTDoKNiIa
#EUreferendum #Brexit #UKinEU https://t.co/OVR3K32IMC
That recent Yougov article said that the ratio of 18-24 to 65+ should be 3:1. With this ICM it is just under a 2:1 ratio.
WIth this survey 18-24 had Remain 53% LEAVE 20%. The 65+ are 31% Remain 56% Leave.
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That is something.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
Cameron's lucky, if it continues, Leave will still be disorganised, and there's no migrant crisis.
I think what has freaked him is the number of senior Tories backing Leave.
I had a chat with someone from CCHQ before Christmas, they were expecting Grayling and IDS, and about 80 MPs.0 -
Yu have a point. As Chestnut said downthread, LEAVE should not rely on refugees and European financial woe to do its job for it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I only said some Plato and you were not one of themPlato_Says said:Oh piffle, what complacency?
We're expecting to lose and are fighting like Hell to change the odds against us.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think some on the leave side are becoming complacent. There is a long way to go and the releases from remain this week provide an insight into where the campaign will be argued but leave need to get away from crying 'dodgy dossiers' and 'project fear' and start engaging with their alternative vision of for the Country. It would be a start if they would with one voice agree that for a few years there will be a negative impact on growth but that they will be able to negotiate trade deals without free movement of labour to provide the mechanism to control immigration. They also need to recognise that we already are in control of our borders re the migration crisis and David Cameron is not going to agree anytime soon, whether in or out, to accept migrants flooding into Europe, though families and children who have family ties here should be allowed in to comply with International LawMarqueeMark said:
Yep, the monkeys have already flung all their shit out the cage.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?0 -
It's not Osborne - it's all us oldies living longer and longer with fewer young ones to pay the frightening and unsustainable future pensions. I am not a great fan of Osborne but he is only doing what any responsible Chancellor must dowatford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
Is "he" really leading in the phone polls? Their weighting looks wrong. But if misleading people is ok.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
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Wishful thinking on the migrant front, I fear.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
Cameron's lucky, if it continues, Leave will still be disorganised, and there's no migrant crisis.
I think what has freaked him is the number of senior Tories backing Leave.
I had a chat with someone from CCHQ before Christmas, they were expecting Grayling and IDS, and about 80 MPs.0 -
If the online polls are right, and the oldies turnout but the young do not, then Leave wins.TCPoliticalBetting said:
On these figures with the Yougov advice, LEAVE are in the lead.Plato_Says said:Number Cruncher
ICM (#EURef):
REMAIN 41 (-1) LEAVE 41 (+1) 26th-29th N=2,003
https://t.co/wsTDoKNiIa
#EUreferendum #Brexit #UKinEU https://t.co/OVR3K32IMC
That recent Yougov article said that the ratio of 18-24 to 65+ should be 3:1. With this ICM it is just under a 2:1 ratio.
WIth this survey 18-24 had Remain 53% LEAVE 20%. The 65+ are 31% Remain 56% Leave.
However, the anecdotal evidence from my social circle (very AB, graduate, post-graduate, professional and in London and the South-East) is the other way and they're all going all gaylord ponceyboots with the scaremongering.
Perhaps the rest of the country are made of sterner stuff.0 -
Believe in BRITAIN!TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
Cameron's lucky, if it continues, Leave will still be disorganised, and there's no migrant crisis.
I think what has freaked him is the number of senior Tories backing Leave.
I had a chat with someone from CCHQ before Christmas, they were expecting Grayling and IDS, and about 80 MPs.
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But he's targetting future oldies, not the baby boomer current oldies who are the ones who are costing the money.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It's not Osborne - it's all us oldies living longer and longer with fewer young ones to pay the frightening and unsustainable future pensions. I am not a great fan of Osborne but he is only doing what any responsible Chancellor must dowatford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
Chris Horovitch
In Arkansas, Trump won among those who do NOT feel betrayed by republicans, Cruz won those who did. CNN exits
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Five years? Judge has said that "custodial is inevitable."TGOHF said:How much porridge is the footballer looking at ?
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Cutting a few things might not go amiss, rather than just reducing the rate of increase.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It's not Osborne - it's all us oldies living longer and longer with fewer young ones to pay the frightening and unsustainable future pensions. I am not a great fan of Osborne but he is only doing what any responsible Chancellor must dowatford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
I've already warmed up Vote Leave that that's coming in my letter.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
That'll get the older voters out in force backing Remain.
We saw it was the falling pound polling today.
Coupled with lots of businesses and banks a la the Indyref backing up that message.
It's the economy, stupid.
They need to be ready to shoot it down with a mini-gun when it comes.
Also told my folks, who weren't fooled.0 -
We don't need to be in a political union with other countries to trade with them.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
That'll get the older voters out in force backing Remain.
We saw it was the falling pound polling today.
Coupled with lots of businesses and banks a la the Indyref backing up that message.
It's the economy, stupid.0 -
I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...0
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Complicated, the grooming angle screws him on that front.SquareRoot said:
This wasn't something that happened on the spur of the moment.0 -
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Yes they're idiots.Indigo said:
The issue is that NHS staffers were instructed to ask people to show their identity card - and refused to ask on the grounds that it discriminated against illegal immigrants.Charles said:
After which you get a nice Biometric identity card you are supposed to show whenever you want to use NHS services.Indigo said:
Its not considered remotely racist if they come from outside the EU.Charles said:IIRC there has been push back from NHS staffers asking for identification / proof of nationality on the grounds it is racist or something, so a lot of it is down to our failures to claim.
But I'm intrigued with the claims by Ireland (unless there is something specific related to the North). I didn't think we had that many retirees in Ireland!
https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/overviewYou’ll have to pay:
£150 per year as a student, eg £300 for a 2-year visa
£200 per year for all other visa and immigration applications, eg £1,000 for a 5-year visa
Dependants usually need to pay the same amount as you.
Imagine how much money £2-3000 is for a talented immigrant from the third world to find. Remember this money has to be paid upfront before they will even look at your visa application.
White Europeans having to provide identification = racist
Brown people from outside the EU having to pay for and provide identification = just fine
Funny old world.
My point was that it is too late for legal immigrants, they have been stiffed for a huge chunk of cash up front to give them a card, which presumably the muppets on the desk then don't ask for.
An IT consultant of my acquaintance here applied for a visa to the UK, very talented woman, got a job offer easily. So they have to apply for a visa. It's £1000 quid to apply for the visa. Before you get through the door of the visa centre you have to pay your NHS Surcharge. For her and her husband that is £2000. So £3000 to make the application, which can take several weeks to approve. What's the catch ? An IT consultant makes about £800 per month here before tax.
If you hear of any more talented IT consultants happy to come to the UK to work for under £10kpa do let me know, we're buyers at that level.0 -
..and if they h ad to char g e a fiver to see a doctor... the surgeries would empty and loads of doctors would become unemployed.PAW said:I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...
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They clearly don't agree that an independent UK would lynch The Gays:
https://twitter.com/outandprouduk0 -
While I would like to have many more years these projections are into the 2060's and it is unlikely I can have much influence on the pensions of my grandchildren and beyondAlistair said:
But he's targetting future oldies, not the baby boomer current oldies who are the ones who are costing the money.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It's not Osborne - it's all us oldies living longer and longer with fewer young ones to pay the frightening and unsustainable future pensions. I am not a great fan of Osborne but he is only doing what any responsible Chancellor must dowatford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
The UK currently spends £20bn+ on overseas aid and EU contributions.watford30 said:What pensions?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.
Is a Conservative PM actually going to be dim enough to stand up and say that he wouldn't protect pensions with that money?
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Your social circle are I suggest not 18-24. The 25-34 are 53% remain 32% leave and AB 51% R 31% L in this ICM.Casino_Royale said:
If the online polls are right, and the oldies turnout but the young do not, then Leave wins. However, the anecdotal evidence from my social circle (very AB, graduate, post-graduate, professional and in London and the South-East) is the other way and they're all going all gaylord ponceyboots with the scaremongering. Perhaps the rest of the country are made of sterner stuff.TCPoliticalBetting said:
On these figures with the Yougov advice, LEAVE are in the lead.Plato_Says said:Number Cruncher
ICM (#EURef):
REMAIN 41 (-1) LEAVE 41 (+1) 26th-29th N=2,003
https://t.co/wsTDoKNiIa
#EUreferendum #Brexit #UKinEU https://t.co/OVR3K32IMC
That recent Yougov article said that the ratio of 18-24 to 65+ should be 3:1. With this ICM it is just under a 2:1 ratio.
WIth this survey 18-24 had Remain 53% LEAVE 20%. The 65+ are 31% Remain 56% Leave.
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Is that a bad thing? If a £5 charge drops visits by that much, surely they must be dealing with many frivolous medical issues which dont justify a visit to the doctor.SquareRoot said:
..and if they h ad to char g e a fiver to see a doctor... the surgeries would empty and loads of doctors would become unemployed.PAW said:I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...
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And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.0 -
Because our generation has time to save for alternative solutions. The boomers do not.Alistair said:
But he's targetting future oldies, not the baby boomer current oldies who are the ones who are costing the money.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It's not Osborne - it's all us oldies living longer and longer with fewer young ones to pay the frightening and unsustainable future pensions. I am not a great fan of Osborne but he is only doing what any responsible Chancellor must dowatford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.
I fully expect not to get a meaningful state pension and view any I do ultimately get as a bonus.0 -
Most of my bets have been on Leave, but not much, in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
This explains why.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/31/apathy-and-the-older-voters-might-be-the-key-for-out-winning-the-referendum/0 -
My late wife was a GP she saw the realities...RobD said:
Is that a bad thing? If a £5 charge drops visits by that much, surely they must be dealing with many frivolous medical issues which dont justify a visit to the doctor.SquareRoot said:
..and if they h ad to char g e a fiver to see a doctor... the surgeries would empty and loads of doctors would become unemployed.PAW said:I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...
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Half of that to the EU (£10 bn net).chestnut said:
The UK currently spends £20bn+ on overseas aid and EU contributions.watford30 said:What pensions?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
He is only in power on a five year election term so it is hardly possible to make that commitmentchestnut said:
The UK currently spends £20bn+ on overseas aid and EU contributions.watford30 said:What pensions?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.
Is a Conservative PM actually going to be dim enough to stand up and say that he wouldn't protect pensions with that money?0 -
Which were?SquareRoot said:
My late wife was a GP she saw the realities...RobD said:
Is that a bad thing? If a £5 charge drops visits by that much, surely they must be dealing with many frivolous medical issues which dont justify a visit to the doctor.SquareRoot said:
..and if they h ad to char g e a fiver to see a doctor... the surgeries would empty and loads of doctors would become unemployed.PAW said:I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...
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Sentencing guidelines?
Death, etc.0 -
I still believe its going to be Labour voters that win this for Leave, most are meh about the EU, it just doesn't get them as excited as it does the Tories. A big chunk will either not bother to vote or take the opportunity to kick Cameron's arse. Unlike the Labour party plenty have big immigration concerns, barbed wire fences will get the WWC voting, that's for sure.
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Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.0 -
He will have to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is only in power on a five year election term so it is hardly possible to make that commitmentchestnut said:
The UK currently spends £20bn+ on overseas aid and EU contributions.watford30 said:What pensions?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.
Is a Conservative PM actually going to be dim enough to stand up and say that he wouldn't protect pensions with that money?
"Tory PM threatens pensioners"0 -
Lots of people o people didn't actually need to see a doctor...RobD said:
Which were?SquareRoot said:
My late wife was a GP she saw the realities...RobD said:
Is that a bad thing? If a £5 charge drops visits by that much, surely they must be dealing with many frivolous medical issues which dont justify a visit to the doctor.SquareRoot said:
..and if they h ad to char g e a fiver to see a doctor... the surgeries would empty and loads of doctors would become unemployed.PAW said:I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...
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If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.0 -
If you hear of any more talented IT consultants happy to come to the UK to work for under £10kpa do let me know, we're buyers at that level.Polruan said:
Yes they're idiots.Indigo said:
The issue is that NHS staffers were instructed to ask people to show their identity card - and refused to ask on the grounds that it discriminated against illegal immigrants.Charles said:
After which you get a nice Biometric identity card you are supposed to show whenever you want to use NHS services.Indigo said:
Its not considered remotely racist if they come from outside the EU.Charles said:IIRC there has been push back from NHS staffers asking for identification / proof of nationality on the grounds it is racist or something, so a lot of it is down to our failures to claim.
But I'm intrigued with the claims by Ireland (unless there is something specific related to the North). I didn't think we had that many retirees in Ireland!
https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/overviewYou’ll have to pay:
£150 per year as a student, eg £300 for a 2-year visa
£200 per year for all other visa and immigration applications, eg £1,000 for a 5-year visa
Dependants usually need to pay the same amount as you.
Imagine how much money £2-3000 is for a talented immigrant from the third world to find. Remember this money has to be paid upfront before they will even look at your visa application.
White Europeans having to provide identification = racist
Brown people from outside the EU having to pay for and provide identification = just fine
Funny old world.
My point was that it is too late for legal immigrants, they have been stiffed for a huge chunk of cash up front to give them a card, which presumably the muppets on the desk then don't ask for.
An IT consultant of my acquaintance here applied for a visa to the UK, very talented woman, got a job offer easily. So they have to apply for a visa. It's £1000 quid to apply for the visa. Before you get through the door of the visa centre you have to pay your NHS Surcharge. For her and her husband that is £2000. So £3000 to make the application, which can take several weeks to approve. What's the catch ? An IT consultant makes about £800 per month here before tax.
Not sure you read that quite right.
Here in the Philippines they make under £10K pa which is damn good money here. It is also next to impossible to borrow money here except on the informal market. That does make fronting £3k for your visa application a touch difficult. More to the point it is hideously unfair if we make people do that, and then don't check so the illegals that have paid nothing get the same treatment that these people have paid 4 months salary to obtain.0 -
But Boris can say "I advised you not to vote that way, I have clean hands".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
Osborne can say "I am f***ked"
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If you hear of any more talented IT consultants happy to come to the UK to work for under £10kpa do let me know, we're buyers at that level.Polruan said:
Yes they're idiots.Indigo said:
The issue is that NHS staffers were instructed to ask people to show their identity card - and refused to ask on the grounds that it discriminated against illegal immigrants.Charles said:
After which you get a nice Biometric identity card you are supposed to show whenever you want to use NHS services.Indigo said:
Its not considered remotely racist if they come from outside the EU.Charles said:IIRC there has been push back from NHS staffers asking for identification / proof of nationality on the grounds it is racist or something, so a lot of it is down to our failures to claim.
But I'm intrigued with the claims by Ireland (unless there is something specific related to the North). I didn't think we had that many retirees in Ireland!
https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/overviewYou’ll have to pay:
£150 per year as a student, eg £300 for a 2-year visa
£200 per year for all other visa and immigration applications, eg £1,000 for a 5-year visa
Dependants usually need to pay the same amount as you.
Imagine how much money £2-3000 is for a talented immigrant from the third world to find. Remember this money has to be paid upfront before they will even look at your visa application.
White Europeans having to provide identification = racist
Brown people from outside the EU having to pay for and provide identification = just fine
Funny old world.
My point was that it is too late for legal immigrants, they have been stiffed for a huge chunk of cash up front to give them a card, which presumably the muppets on the desk then don't ask for.
An IT consultant of my acquaintance here applied for a visa to the UK, very talented woman, got a job offer easily. So they have to apply for a visa. It's £1000 quid to apply for the visa. Before you get through the door of the visa centre you have to pay your NHS Surcharge. For her and her husband that is £2000. So £3000 to make the application, which can take several weeks to approve. What's the catch ? An IT consultant makes about £800 per month here before tax.
I think "here" means the Philippines, not the UK - basically they have to save most of their post tax salary for a year in order to be able to afford the application0 -
Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
How would that be legislated for with a large number of Labour, SNP, etc against and almost certainly the House of Lords would have a huge majority againstPhilip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.0 -
The referendum won't be decided in London and the South East, it'll be decided in the Midlands, Yorkshire, the North East, Wales. A good result for Remain in London and the SE is already priced in to most people's predictions.Casino_Royale said:
If the online polls are right, and the oldies turnout but the young do not, then Leave wins.TCPoliticalBetting said:
On these figures with the Yougov advice, LEAVE are in the lead.Plato_Says said:Number Cruncher
ICM (#EURef):
REMAIN 41 (-1) LEAVE 41 (+1) 26th-29th N=2,003
https://t.co/wsTDoKNiIa
#EUreferendum #Brexit #UKinEU https://t.co/OVR3K32IMC
That recent Yougov article said that the ratio of 18-24 to 65+ should be 3:1. With this ICM it is just under a 2:1 ratio.
WIth this survey 18-24 had Remain 53% LEAVE 20%. The 65+ are 31% Remain 56% Leave.
However, the anecdotal evidence from my social circle (very AB, graduate, post-graduate, professional and in London and the South-East) is the other way and they're all going all gaylord ponceyboots with the scaremongering.
Perhaps the rest of the country are made of sterner stuff.0 -
SeanT - just start looking at the dubious weightings. Who really believes the young will come out and vote?SeanT said:
It's also wishful thinking on the polls front. What if, this time, the online polls are more accurate, and something about landlines is screwing the data? Who, after the GE, can claim that they know, for sure? They can't.RobD said:
Wishful thinking on the migrant front, I fear.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.SeanT said:
So has LEAVE. The migrants in the Med. The timing is exquisitely bad for Cameron.TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
And, PS, they have definitely started campaigning. They've already used many of their "best" arguments. Got the FTSE letter out. Got the soldiers to loyally salute the EU flag. Got the dossier published. Got Prince William to drop hints. Got the big Gruffalo thingy in the Guardian.
You can't keep publishing dossiers, and getting Richard Branson to warn us of famine from his Cayman villa, and telling us that Eeyore will die if we quit.
My well-informed guess is that Cameron fully expected to be 15-20 points ahead by now in all polls, as an insurance against some Scottish-style narrowing, down the line. Oops.
Cameron's lucky, if it continues, Leave will still be disorganised, and there's no migrant crisis.
I think what has freaked him is the number of senior Tories backing Leave.
I had a chat with someone from CCHQ before Christmas, they were expecting Grayling and IDS, and about 80 MPs.
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Apparently (according to BBC reporter) the meaning of innocent on first count, guilty on second is that she lied and he lied...OldKingCole said:Johnson guilty on second count.
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Vladimir Putin is purposefully creating a refugee crisis in order to “overwhelm” and “break” Europe, Nato’s military commander in Europe said today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12180073/Nato-chief-Vladimir-Putin-weaponising-refugee-crisis-to-break-Europe.html
Gen Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the head of the US European Command, said that President Putin and Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had “weaponised” migration through a campaign of bombardment against civilian centres.0 -
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.0 -
Terrifying moment migrant is stabbed by blade-wielding attacker as Calais governor reveals British anarchists are fuelling violence in the camp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3473141/Knife-fight-Jungle-Terrifying-moment-migrant-flees-blade-wielding-attacker-Calais-governor-reveals-British-anarchists-fuelling-violence-camp.html0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12180073/Nato-chief-Vladimir-Putin-weaponising-refugee-crisis-to-break-Europe.htmlPlato_Says said:Vladimir Putin is purposefully creating a refugee crisis in order to “overwhelm” and “break” Europe, Nato’s military commander in Europe said today.
Gen Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the head of the US European Command, said that President Putin and Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had “weaponised” migration through a campaign of bombardment against civilian centres.
It's really quite astonishing what you can blame Russia for these days.0 -
Precisely. So largely it doesn't happen.Charles said:
I think "here" means the Philippines, not the UK - basically they have to save most of their post tax salary for a year in order to be able to afford the applicationPolruan said:
If you hear of any more talented IT consultants happy to come to the UK to work for under £10kpa do let me know, we're buyers at that level.Indigo said:
Yes they're idiots.Charles said:
The issue is that NHS staffers were instructed to ask people to show their identity card - and refused to ask on the grounds that it discriminated against illegal immigrants.
My point was that it is too late for legal immigrants, they have been stiffed for a huge chunk of cash up front to give them a card, which presumably the muppets on the desk then don't ask for.
An IT consultant of my acquaintance here applied for a visa to the UK, very talented woman, got a job offer easily. So they have to apply for a visa. It's £1000 quid to apply for the visa. Before you get through the door of the visa centre you have to pay your NHS Surcharge. For her and her husband that is £2000. So £3000 to make the application, which can take several weeks to approve. What's the catch ? An IT consultant makes about £800 per month here before tax.
Mean while several dozen illegals run down the channel tunnel every week and get free health care and government aid to present their case for "asylum" and recently reduced hoops to jump through compared to the recently increase hoops to jump through for the legals. It's a disgrace.0 -
I don't think it would work like that for Boris though it would depend when the issue arose. I am not sure about Osborne anyway and I could see a post referendum cabinet with a move for him to Foreign Secretary with Gove as chancellorTCPoliticalBetting said:
But Boris can say "I advised you not to vote that way, I have clean hands".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
Osborne can say "I am f***ked"0 -
Smirking Osborne may be a reason to vote Brexit given what is supposedly going to be announced by him in the budget. i can foresee many people voting the opposite of what he wants out of spite.watford30 said:
What pensions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit = Risk to your pensions.taffys said:
Meteor strike? nuclear winter? Mars Invades?TheScreamingEagles said:
They've not even started yet.SeanT said:
Gold enough to give Cameron the squitters, I'd say. Look at that sample size. And this is after a week when they've basically used all their best ammo. Diminishing returns from now on?TheScreamingEagles said:
This isn't ICM gold standard. The Gold Standard was their phone polls, this is an online poll.SeanT said:Project Crap Your Pants, Britain has thrown EVERYTHING in the last week. The result is an MOE move to LEAVE, with Gold Standard ICM. And a dead heat. With turnout probably favouring LEAVE.
Cameron will be getting his blood pressure checked. Hah.
They've got their heavy artillery to deploy in May and June.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-1679780/New-state-pension-age-retire.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/12179375/Work-until-youre-75-or-even-81-under-Government-review-of-state-pension-age.html
Smirking Osborne poses a greater threat to old age, than Brexit.0 -
From a marketing POV 'washlets' as they are called are a HUUUGE missed opportunity imo. It would be very easy for a determined sales team to get them into all the top hotels and restaurants (for the best bottoms), and once established at the high end they would quite quickly catch on.Plato_Says said:I'm hoarding loo roll.
Quilted and plain to cater for both ends of the market. Moist ones are too niche.
Edit, and Izal Medicated for all EU negotiations.MarqueeMark said:
I'm already collecting sea-shells. They're our new currency, after Brexit. You heard it here first....blackburn63 said:Anybody know where I can put a deposit down on a cave? The price will rocket if we Leave the demand will be so high.
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Osborne as Foreign Secretary ? So he can go and smirk and sneer at all our international partners ? It could set our diplomatic clout back to the stone age!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think it would work like that for Boris though it would depend when the issue arose. I am not sure about Osborne anyway and I could see a post referendum cabinet with a move for him to Foreign Secretary with Gove as chancellorTCPoliticalBetting said:
But Boris can say "I advised you not to vote that way, I have clean hands".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
Osborne can say "I am f***ked"0 -
If you introduce a £5 charge to see doctors then people would put off going to see the doctor for minor ailments when they are at their cheapest to treat and instead will clog up emergency rooms with major problems that are expensive to treat.RobD said:
Is that a bad thing? If a £5 charge drops visits by that much, surely they must be dealing with many frivolous medical issues which dont justify a visit to the doctor.SquareRoot said:
..and if they h ad to char g e a fiver to see a doctor... the surgeries would empty and loads of doctors would become unemployed.PAW said:I think the reason why doctors sometimes don't want to have to check eligiblity is that it might show how many non existant patients they are prescribing for...
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It's really quite astonishing what you can blame Russia for these days.Luckyguy1983 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12180073/Nato-chief-Vladimir-Putin-weaponising-refugee-crisis-to-break-Europe.htmlPlato_Says said:Vladimir Putin is purposefully creating a refugee crisis in order to “overwhelm” and “break” Europe, Nato’s military commander in Europe said today.
Gen Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the head of the US European Command, said that President Putin and Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had “weaponised” migration through a campaign of bombardment against civilian centres.
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I would love to see that wording in the manifestoCasino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
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I think "here" means the Philippines, not the UK - basically they have to save most of their post tax salary for a year in order to be able to afford the applicationCharles said:
If you hear of any more talented IT consultants happy to come to the UK to work for under £10kpa do let me know, we're buyers at that level.Polruan said:
Yes they're idiots.Indigo said:
The issue is that NHS staffers were instructed to ask people to show their identity card - and refused to ask on the grounds that it discriminated against illegal immigrants.Charles said:
After which you get a nice Biometric identity card you are supposed to show whenever you want to use NHS services.Indigo said:
Its not considered remotely racist if they come from outside the EU.Charles said:IIRC there has been push back from NHS staffers asking for identification / proof of nationality on the grounds it is racist or something, so a lot of it is down to our failures to claim.
But I'm intrigued with the claims by Ireland (unless there is something specific related to the North). I didn't think we had that many retirees in Ireland!
https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/overviewYou’ll have to pay:
£150 per year as a student, eg £300 for a 2-year visa
£200 per year for all other visa and immigration applications, eg £1,000 for a 5-year visa
Dependants usually need to pay the same amount as you.
Imagine how much money £2-3000 is for a talented immigrant from the third world to find. Remember this money has to be paid upfront before they will even look at your visa application.
White Europeans having to provide identification = racist
Brown people from outside the EU having to pay for and provide identification = just fine
Funny old world.
My point was that it is too late for legal immigrants, they have been stiffed for a huge chunk of cash up front to give them a card, which presumably the muppets on the desk then don't ask for.
An IT consultant of my acquaintance here applied for a visa to the UK, very talented woman, got a job offer easily. So they have to apply for a visa. It's £1000 quid to apply for the visa. Before you get through the door of the visa centre you have to pay your NHS Surcharge. For her and her husband that is £2000. So £3000 to make the application, which can take several weeks to approve. What's the catch ? An IT consultant makes about £800 per month here before tax.
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There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.
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Well nobody can accuse PB of being one dimensional community only focused upon talking about betting on politics...This afternoons offering pro / cons of Brexit and washlets...0
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Credit where credit's due: at least the French are trying to get a handle on this.FrancisUrquhart said:Terrifying moment migrant is stabbed by blade-wielding attacker as Calais governor reveals British anarchists are fuelling violence in the camp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3473141/Knife-fight-Jungle-Terrifying-moment-migrant-flees-blade-wielding-attacker-Calais-governor-reveals-British-anarchists-fuelling-violence-camp.html0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12180073/Nato-chief-Vladimir-Putin-weaponising-refugee-crisis-to-break-Europe.htmlPlato_Says said:Vladimir Putin is purposefully creating a refugee crisis in order to “overwhelm” and “break” Europe, Nato’s military commander in Europe said today.
Gen Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the head of the US European Command, said that President Putin and Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had “weaponised” migration through a campaign of bombardment against civilian centres.
General Strangelove as he is more often known as.
There was me thinking it was the us, France, the Americans, Turkey, Israel and the Gulf countries that had started and fueled the Syrian civil war. That it was George Soros then encouraging the immigrants to come here. I should have known it was that dastardly Putin all along.0 -
Do you like Gove as ChancellorIndigo said:
Osborne as Foreign Secretary ? So he can go and smirk and sneer at all our international partners ? It could set our diplomatic clout back to the stone age!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think it would work like that for Boris though it would depend when the issue arose. I am not sure about Osborne anyway and I could see a post referendum cabinet with a move for him to Foreign Secretary with Gove as chancellorTCPoliticalBetting said:
But Boris can say "I advised you not to vote that way, I have clean hands".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
Osborne can say "I am f***ked"0 -
Fair enough, Steven. I greatly respect your democratic instincts on this.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.
However, I think under drastically changed political circumstances you couldn't rule out demand for a second referendum, and for it to be carried.0 -
Technically, June's referendum is the second referendum, first one was in 1975,Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
A third vote to remain in the EU, and Bruxelles gets to own us.0 -
Stuart Rose is the gift that keeps on giving.Plato_Says said:Guido
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General Strangelove as he is more often known as.LondonBob said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12180073/Nato-chief-Vladimir-Putin-weaponising-refugee-crisis-to-break-Europe.htmlPlato_Says said:Vladimir Putin is purposefully creating a refugee crisis in order to “overwhelm” and “break” Europe, Nato’s military commander in Europe said today.
Gen Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the head of the US European Command, said that President Putin and Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had “weaponised” migration through a campaign of bombardment against civilian centres.
There was me thinking it was the us, France, the Americans, Turkey, Israel and the Gulf countries that had started and fueled the Syrian civil war. That it was George Soros then encouraging the immigrants to come here. I should have known it was that dastardly Putin all along.
Soros has more influence over goings-on in Syria than Putin??0 -
If circumstances change, then another referendum is legitimate. E.g. if the UK is forced to take a share of Germany's refugees or if the Eurozone integrates.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.0 -
Indeed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Technically, June's referendum is the second referendum, first one was in 1975,Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
A third vote to remain in the EU, and Bruxelles gets to own us.0 -
Since circumstances are constantly changing what you're saying is that a second referendum will be legitimate regardless.NorfolkTilIDie said:
If circumstances change, then another referendum is legitimate. E.g. if the UK is forced to take a share of Germany's refugees or if the Eurozone integrates.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.0 -
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There may be a referendum due to the lock, but it will not be an Leave/Remain referendum.NorfolkTilIDie said:
If circumstances change, then another referendum is legitimate. E.g. if the UK is forced to take a share of Germany's refugees or if the Eurozone integrates.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.0 -
Gove at least seems to listen to those who make representations to him, and weigh them in the balance without an eye to his future prospects...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you like Gove as ChancellorIndigo said:
Osborne as Foreign Secretary ? So he can go and smirk and sneer at all our international partners ? It could set our diplomatic clout back to the stone age!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think it would work like that for Boris though it would depend when the issue arose. I am not sure about Osborne anyway and I could see a post referendum cabinet with a move for him to Foreign Secretary with Gove as chancellorTCPoliticalBetting said:
But Boris can say "I advised you not to vote that way, I have clean hands".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
Osborne can say "I am f***ked"0 -
Phone polls are more likely to be right than online polls. Not certain but more likely. And turnout issue favours Remain as turnout is likely to be high, meaning lots of weak Remain people turning out.SeanT said:
Hard to see REMAIN getting more than 60%, now. Less than 60% and Osborne is screwed ad BoJo becomes PM. Probs.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
OK I gotta go shop. Tomorrow I go to......... biiiiiiiig build up.......
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You mean 1975? That was a vote to join the EC, not the EU!TheScreamingEagles said:
Technically, June's referendum is the second referendum, first one was in 1975,Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
A third vote to remain in the EU, and Bruxelles gets to own us.
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Thank you.Casino_Royale said:
Fair enough, Steven. I greatly respect your democratic instincts on this.
However, I think under drastically changed political circumstances you couldn't rule out demand for a second referendum, and for it to be carried.
Yes, I'm sure there would be some making such demands. I just wanted to make my own personal position clear on the matter. I'm only one voter though, of course.
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I know that we would have to do a lot more work and that would add to our direct and time-related costs, which we would then have to pass on. It would also reduce our ability to do multiple events, as each one would involve more planning. There is a point at which a product becomes commercially unattractive, however good it is.watford30 said:
You don't think the EU keeps the price of Chablis down do you?SouthamObserver said:
There are price points. The EU keeps ours lower than would otherwise be the case. I am touched by your advice, but I fear you are wrong.blackburn63 said:
Nah. If the conferences you put on are good people will pay for them, its called trade. Its why Messi can choose his club and name his price and I can't. Its why we'll continue to buy BMWs and Chablis and people will still queue up outside Buckingham Palace.SouthamObserver said:
I do. What will happen is that cost of doing business in the EU will increase without full access to the single market. It certainly costs us more to business in the US, Taiwan or Korea than it does to do it in the EU.blackburn63 said:
Look, this is what happens.AlastairMeeks said:
Britain, being proportionately more dependent on trade with the EU than the EU is on trade with the UK, is in no position to set down preconditions. Moreover, different EU states have different interests and each has a veto.TCPoliticalBetting said:AlastairMeeks said:Afternoon all. In case it's easier to look at here, here's a link to the full table:............1) Those advocating Leave have no agreement about what Britain's negotiating priorities should be in the event of Brexit. In fact, they can't even gather under a single banner. ....None of those differences suggest to me that we can look for the accelerator pedal to be hit.
If we Leave companies will continue to buy and sell stuff they want, countries don't buy or sell anything, it is a complete myth. If BMW sell me a car they don't invoice UK who in turn invoice me.
I'd love to know how many people on this site make a living from buying and selling things, I'd guess very few.
We don't need a Eurpean Parliament telling us what we can and can't do.
Incidentally I'd be surprised if French wine exporters would be too keen on losing their British customers in the event of Leave, and the EU deciding to play hard ball. Bordeaux in particular would not be happy.
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I mean major changes on hot button issues thay affect UK like immigration or Eurozone balance of power.Wanderer said:
Since circumstances are constantly changing what you're saying is that a second referendum will be legitimate regardless.NorfolkTilIDie said:
If circumstances change, then another referendum is legitimate. E.g. if the UK is forced to take a share of Germany's refugees or if the Eurozone integrates.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.0 -
Too late.TheScreamingEagles said:
...Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
A third vote to remain in the EU, and Bruxelles gets to own us.0 -
You'll be able to crib it from the SNP....Wanderer said:
I would love to see that wording in the manifestoCasino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.Philip_Thompson said:
If it's 51-49 I'd expect a second referendum in the next Parliament.MarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.0 -
Its a better fit for sure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do you like Gove as ChancellorIndigo said:
Osborne as Foreign Secretary ? So he can go and smirk and sneer at all our international partners ? It could set our diplomatic clout back to the stone age!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think it would work like that for Boris though it would depend when the issue arose. I am not sure about Osborne anyway and I could see a post referendum cabinet with a move for him to Foreign Secretary with Gove as chancellorTCPoliticalBetting said:
But Boris can say "I advised you not to vote that way, I have clean hands".Big_G_NorthWales said:
Remember he will be standing down in the next couple of years or so and should Boris succeed him ironically it would be at Boris door the problem would landMarqueeMark said:
And I'm sure your betting position is entirely based exclusively around those phone polls.... No?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he is leading by that much in the phone polls.
I still expect Leave to lose, but it could yet be insanely close.... If it is 51-49, then Cameron owns every EU-woe that comes down the line from July. "I only voted to stay because Cameron assured me it was the best thing to do for Britain. Now look at us! The French taking our bloody pension pots*..."
*by way of example, rather than prediction.
Osborne can say "I am f***ked"
The Chancellor is meant to be a killjoy, especially a Tory one, it's all about cutting spending and forcing your colleagues into stopping doing things that make them popular. I would be rather suspicious of an overly hospitable Chancellor, I don't like Osborne's brownite economic meddling and social engineering, but he is much better in the Treasury than he would be in the F O. I don't think he would take it, it would be seen as a demotion.
Bernard: The Chancellor is Mr Killjoy. Raising taxes on beer and cigarettes and cutting down public spending goes down badly with the electorate.
Hacker: Maybe I don’t want to be Chancellor of the Exchequer. There's no escape in that job.
Bernard: Unless you're sent to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office as a punishment.
Hacker: Punishment?
Bernard: it’s an even worse job.
Hacker: No votes in Foreign Affairs?
Bernard: Exactly. The FCO loves foreigners, but the British people don't.
Hacker: Quite. As far as world politics goes, the Foreign Office is an irrelevance. We've no real power. We're just an American missile base!
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Lock does not cover Eurozone federalisation (see fiscal compact treaty). Any Eurosceptic government worth its salt must change this.SimonStClare said:
There may be a referendum due to the lock, but it will not be an Leave/Remain referendum.NorfolkTilIDie said:
If circumstances change, then another referendum is legitimate. E.g. if the UK is forced to take a share of Germany's refugees or if the Eurozone integrates.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.0 -
How did laying as much Bush as possible turn out for you?Casino_Royale said:Just laid some more My Dad Was A Bartender on Betfair at 8.0.
Truly hysterical price.0 -
Expect Stuart Rose's stunning admission today that wages would rise after #Brexit to feature in video attack ads over and over again.
Oh dear.
Will we have a thread header on this gaffe, the latest of quite a few already?
'Remain campaign in disarray' etc.?0 -
Are you writing one?runnymede said:Expect Stuart Rose's stunning admission today that wages would rise after #Brexit to feature in video attack ads over and over again.
Oh dear.
Will we have a thread header on this gaffe, the latest of quite a few already?
'Remain campaign in disarray' etc.?0 -
Sweden voted to join the EU by the fairly narrow margin of 52.7% to 47.3% in 1994. Maybe they might reconsider if the UK leaves.Casino_Royale said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_European_Union_membership_referendum,_19940 -
Conflicting thoughts on the opinion polls right now.
* Part of me says that people outside the bubble have not fully engaged with the referendum yet and that this is likely to favour Leave. Thus, maybe Leave needs to be a good way ahead now if it is to have a chance of winning in June.
* But another part says that a lot of people will never engage and that turnout will be low - something that will heavily favour Leave.
On balance, I reckon that the second is a stronger factor than the first, which is why I was one of the few to have Leave down as the winner in the PB survey.
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Very profitably, thank you.Sean_F said:
How did laying as much Bush as possible turn out for you?Casino_Royale said:Just laid some more My Dad Was A Bartender on Betfair at 8.0.
Truly hysterical price.
Just gutted there's no Bush around anymore for me to tuck into.0 -
Lock was carefully designed not to apply to anything that mattersNorfolkTilIDie said:
Lock does not cover Eurozone federalisation (see fiscal compact treaty). Any Eurosceptic government worth its salt must change this.SimonStClare said:
There may be a referendum due to the lock, but it will not be an Leave/Remain referendum.NorfolkTilIDie said:
If circumstances change, then another referendum is legitimate. E.g. if the UK is forced to take a share of Germany's refugees or if the Eurozone integrates.Steven_Whaley said:
There should be no second referendum under any circumstances. Obviously I want REMAIN to triumph but a defeat is a defeat... and if, after a LEAVE victory there were a second referendum held then I'd vote accordingly to uphold the result of the first one (or, if I couldn't quite stomach that then I'd at least have the decency to stay at home - I can guarantee that much).Casino_Royale said:
No second referendum unless we're absolutely dead sure we can win it.
Not accession treaties or anything attached to them
Not powers given up as the result of orders made in council
Not extensions of existing powers
Not return of powers held back through an opt-out
and in anycase have to be certified by the minister concerned as being a significant transfer of power.
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You should be careful how you word that sentiment, admirable though it isCasino_Royale said:
Very profitably, thank you.Sean_F said:
How did laying as much Bush as possible turn out for you?Casino_Royale said:Just laid some more My Dad Was A Bartender on Betfair at 8.0.
Truly hysterical price.
Just gutted there's no Bush around anymore for me to tuck into.
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