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  • Charles said:

    Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html

    I know they say footballers are thick, but...

    Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?
    What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?
    They have a child. Perhaps that might be a factor.
    What a scumbag.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,810
    Almost forgot to mention - chatting to a Corbynite last night - put £3 on JC for the leadership early doors... at 200/1. Very nice.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,494
    Seems ridiculous to me that it is illegal for a 16 yr old to sleep w a 15 yr old but legal for a 45 yr old to sleep w a 16 yr old
  • Time to bring on Jordan..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,684

    I lived up the road from Haywards Heath station and had this problem. I parked behind them.

    It's really naughty to park in someone's drive or allocated space.

    Sandpit said:
    Problem pretty well anywhere in the Home Counties I would think. Listened to an angry exchange with a motorist the other day in outr local station, who’d put his money in the machine, then couldn’t find a space. The booking office guy was polite but firm; nothing to do with him.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,684
    isam said:

    Seems ridiculous to me that it is illegal for a 16 yr old to sleep w a 15 yr old but legal for a 45 yr old to sleep w a 16 yr old

    Trouble is, these young people don’t sleep.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,783
    edited February 2016
    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.

    In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.
    Gambling is the biggest risk for many of them.
    A friend of mines new venture

    http://www.abetterperspective.co.uk/
    Well worth while. I have had some very interesting stories from someone on the inside. There are some horrific stories - players being given career-threatening beatings for their gambling debts. And not just the youngsters. Some big, well-established internationals have had massive gambling debts.

    If there is a head-scratching eh?? in the transfer market, it often has the need to get a big signing on bonus to pay off a debt behind it....
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Your Lords posts are excellent. Many thanks.
    MikeL said:

    LDs down another Peer today.

    Baroness Linklater retired (only aged 72). So that's the LDs down two Peers in two days - Shirley Williams officially retired yesterday.

    Linklater took part in some key votes recently - voting in both the Govt defeat on the Trade Union Bill and in one of the Govt defeats on the Work & Pensions Bill.

    New State of the Parties:

    Con 250, Lab 213, LD 109, Crossbench 178

  • Pulpstar said:

    If Trump has moved to 44% nationally (Although tht sounds a bit high to me) one might expect some SC polls with him in high 30s/perhaps 40 to come.

    It's out of his usual band but not the highest he's had during the campaign.
  • Sunday is a great and fear-inducing betting opportunity - bet on spurs, england cricket to both lose & then to really show the curse when event days co-incide there's also england rugby to lose

    Then Arsenal and Leicester to win... albeit that is a stretch even for a world weary spurs fan.
  • Indigo said:

    SeanT said:

    Raising the age of consent to 18 is like raising the legal breathing age from 0 to 2.

    People have sex under 16 too. Question is where right line is to stop exploitation of young by the old.
    Its less in lots of EU countries, or at least they have exception for significantly younger people if there are no aggravating factors, for example Germany:
    The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"
    You'll often find that a young teen might think it exciting and grown up at the time, but finds it messes with them down the line. At end of the day they are a child not used to how such things can scar them. One thing for teens to be experimenting with each other, but quite another when its an older person taking advantage of their naivety.

    Also had friends at school who used legal age of consent as a reason to turn down pressure from their boyfriends when they werent ready.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372
    Sounds like Stacey Flounders has found her self respect and left him all alone in the courtroom. Cheating on her when she was 8 months pregnant, really Adam !
  • Sandpit said:

    Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.

    Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.

    It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.
    I started my career on the Newcastle Evening Chronicle and producing the pink'n on a Saturday evening was an amazing activity. This was late 60's without computers using traditional printing presses. We got it onto the streets by 5.30pm on a Saturday night 45 minutes after the matches ended. Things like the updated league tables had to be worked out, set and printed within a few minutes.
    That's a great story Mike.

    Amazing to see the change in technology from there to blogs and crowdsourcing live scores apps in one man's working lifetime.
    My Grandfather, father and various uncles were all newspaper men; typesetters, printers and distribution. I looked at it briefly after I left uni in the middle of an Oil crash (so no work for geologists anywhere). Decided against it and worked a couple of years building roads and blowing things up for a living.

    My father was a distribution rep for the FT. There were about 15 or so of them around the country. In 1993 when my Dad was 51, one of his colleagues went to the management at the FT and suggested they sack all the reps except him, hire in graduates to do the job at half the price and he would train them all up. The FT decided this was a great idea and sacked all the other reps including my old man. They legally had to pay them a weeks wages for every year they had worked but said if they didn't make a fuss they would pay them a month for every year. The union shop steward (they were all union men) said take it as the GPM Union wasn't interested in fighting for them.

    Not a big fan of the FT since then.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    ST..One could always ask.."What do you want to be when you grow up"
  • Mr. Die, that's a fair point. The right age will vary wildly. Too high an age of consent, and it becomes ignored. Too low, and people may engage in things before they're ready.

    [Of course, that's without considering asexual people, those who are highly religious and want to wait for marriage, and so on].
  • Mr. Tyndall, have you told that story before? I'm sure I've heard it somewhere.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,494

    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.

    In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.
    Gambling is the biggest risk for many of them.
    A friend of mines new venture

    http://www.abetterperspective.co.uk/
    Well worth while. I have had some very interesting stories from someone on the inside. There are some horrific stories - players being given career-threatening beatings for their gambling debts. And not just the youngsters. Some big, well-established internationals have had massive gambling debts.

    If there is a head-scratching eh?? in the transfer market, it often has the need to get a big signing on bonus to pay off a debt behind it....
    Etherington at Stoke was a bit of an obvious one!!!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    SeanT said:

    Indigo said:

    SeanT said:

    Raising the age of consent to 18 is like raising the legal breathing age from 0 to 2.

    People have sex under 16 too. Question is where right line is to stop exploitation of young by the old.
    Its less in lots of EU countries, or at least they have exception for significantly younger people if there are no aggravating factors, for example Germany:
    The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"
    See. That's a very sensible German law. They are less hung up about these matters than us.

    In Japan, IIRC, the rule is that someone not at school cannot have sex with someone who is at school.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.

    In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.
    Gambling is the biggest risk for many of them.
    A friend of mines new venture

    http://www.abetterperspective.co.uk/
    Well worth while. I have had some very interesting stories from someone on the inside. There are some horrific stories - players being given career-threatening beatings for their gambling debts. And not just the youngsters. Some big, well-established internationals have had massive gambling debts.

    If there is a head-scratching eh?? in the transfer market, it often has the need to get a big signing on bonus to pay off a debt behind it....
    Etherington at Stoke was a bit of an obvious one!!!
    Chopra....
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    In Japan, IIRC, the rule is that someone not at school cannot have sex with someone who is at school.

    Tough on the married teachers
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I would like to point to a few minor errors reporting the S.Carolina poll, the actual numbers and change from their last poll:

    Trump 36 +4
    Cruz 19 (not 20) +1 (not +2)
    Rubio 15 +4
    Bush 11 -2 (not -3)
    Kasich 9 +7 (not +6)
    Carson 5 -4

    http://opinionsavvy.com/2016/02/12/latest-poll-trump-gains-in-south-carolina/
  • rcs1000 said:

    In Japan, IIRC, the rule is that someone not at school cannot have sex with someone who is at school.

    The reality doesn't match the rule:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/27/asia/japan-schoolgirl-cafes-jk/
  • Mr. Tyndall, have you told that story before? I'm sure I've heard it somewhere.

    Nope. Never told it whilst my Dad was alive. His health suffered very badly after he lost his job. He was one of those who felt that if you didn't have a career/trade and couldn't support your family then you were somehow a lesser man.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html
    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think. Republican electorates are parodied as poor white trash. This is inaccurate. Take New Hampshire (admittedly an unusually secular state), where the average voter in the GOP primary was college educated, non-evangelical, well paid and over 45.

    It’s interesting to note that while Trump won among all demographic groups, he also attracted a significant number of non-Republicans or first-time-voters into the primary.

    They, frankly, matched that ugly cliché of Republicanism far better than normal Republicans do – they tended to be less-well paid and only high-school educated. But they also regard themselves as less “conservative” than you might expect. Trump won 32 per cent of those who described themselves as “moderate.” Donald Trump. Not a name you associate with moderation.
  • Mr. Tyndall, hmm. Maybe it's just deja vu.

    Sorry to hear about that happening to him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,783
    These are rather wonderful - may well be worth a look.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-35555989
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,009
    Full result from Eastleigh BC West End North Lib Dem hold

    LD 582 ( 53.0% ) plus 13.1%
    Con 315 ( 28.7% ) minus 6.4%
    UKIP 115 ( 10.5% ) minus 4.9%
    Lab 58 ( 5.3% ) minus 4.3%
    Green 28 ( 2.5% ) plus 2.5%

    Just seen this - well done the Greens!!
  • I wonder whether what attracted Adam Johnson to a 15 year old was precisely the fact that she was 15 and so he was risking everything.
  • These are rather wonderful - may well be worth a look.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-35555989

    Saw them in person on a visit, they were very nice.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think. Republican electorates are parodied as poor white trash. This is inaccurate. Take New Hampshire (admittedly an unusually secular state), where the average voter in the GOP primary was college educated, non-evangelical, well paid and over 45.

    It’s interesting to note that while Trump won among all demographic groups, he also attracted a significant number of non-Republicans or first-time-voters into the primary.

    They, frankly, matched that ugly cliché of Republicanism far better than normal Republicans do – they tended to be less-well paid and only high-school educated. But they also regard themselves as less “conservative” than you might expect. Trump won 32 per cent of those who described themselves as “moderate.” Donald Trump. Not a name you associate with moderation.
    Man: some of those tweets at the end are pretty disturbing
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Wonderful!

    These are rather wonderful - may well be worth a look.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-35555989

  • I wonder whether what attracted Adam Johnson to a 15 year old was precisely the fact that she was 15 and so he was risking everything.

    I would guess its more likely to be the hero worship and the power that gave him.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited February 2016

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think.
    Weirdos on the extremes of a political grouping send nasty messages to reporters that are rude about their candidate.. this can't have come as that much of a shock to him after the CyberNats, the CyberKippers and the CyberCorbynites... its would be rather more honest, and completely understandable, to say he can't stand Trump, which is the real message that resonates from the article.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    That's more votes than Gilmore got in Iowa.
    Icarus said:

    Full result from Eastleigh BC West End North Lib Dem hold

    LD 582 ( 53.0% ) plus 13.1%
    Con 315 ( 28.7% ) minus 6.4%
    UKIP 115 ( 10.5% ) minus 4.9%
    Lab 58 ( 5.3% ) minus 4.3%
    Green 28 ( 2.5% ) plus 2.5%

    Just seen this - well done the Greens!!

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think. Republican electorates are parodied as poor white trash. This is inaccurate. Take New Hampshire (admittedly an unusually secular state), where the average voter in the GOP primary was college educated, non-evangelical, well paid and over 45.

    It’s interesting to note that while Trump won among all demographic groups, he also attracted a significant number of non-Republicans or first-time-voters into the primary.

    They, frankly, matched that ugly cliché of Republicanism far better than normal Republicans do – they tended to be less-well paid and only high-school educated. But they also regard themselves as less “conservative” than you might expect. Trump won 32 per cent of those who described themselves as “moderate.” Donald Trump. Not a name you associate with moderation.
    That's the problem with those trying to stop Trump, he's not a conservative purist and neither are the voters, the messengers don't help either.

    People who have little credibility are barfing things like "don't vote Trump, he's not right wing enough" to an audience that doesn't care, or finds the accusation silly when the same people attacked Trump for being too right wing in the past.

    So far Trump has found the sweet spot of being conservative and moderate enough on the right issues with the GOP voters.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The word "cuckservative", by the way, is interesting. It blends political commentary with porn lingo, combining "cuckold" with "conservative". It essentially means a politician with a sexual fetish for non-whites. The extremes of Trumpism are a Freudian nightmare.
    rcs1000 said:

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think. Republican electorates are parodied as poor white trash. This is inaccurate. Take New Hampshire (admittedly an unusually secular state), where the average voter in the GOP primary was college educated, non-evangelical, well paid and over 45.

    It’s interesting to note that while Trump won among all demographic groups, he also attracted a significant number of non-Republicans or first-time-voters into the primary.

    They, frankly, matched that ugly cliché of Republicanism far better than normal Republicans do – they tended to be less-well paid and only high-school educated. But they also regard themselves as less “conservative” than you might expect. Trump won 32 per cent of those who described themselves as “moderate.” Donald Trump. Not a name you associate with moderation.
    Man: some of those tweets at the end are pretty disturbing

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Speedy said:

    People who have little credibility are barfing things like "don't vote Trump, he's not right wing enough" to an audience that doesn't care, or finds the accusation silly when the same people attacked Trump for being too right wing in the past.

    I thought the demographic that Trump catered to was largely the terminally pissed off, the "inchoate rage vote" so to speak, so it's not a huge surprise that they are incontinent on social media.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Tim wrote a book on Huckabee and IIRC now has US residency. He's gone from far left to hard right.
    Indigo said:

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think.
    Weirdos on the extremes of a political grouping send nasty messages to reporters that are rude about their candidate.. this can't have come as that much of a shock to him after the CyberNats, the CyberKippers and the CyberCorbynites... its would be rather more honest, and completely understandable, to say he can't stand Trump, which is the real message that resonates from the article.



  • Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention
  • Wonderful!

    These are rather wonderful - may well be worth a look.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-35555989

    Fantastic. Would love to see more effort put into beautifying our country.
  • As a Friday evening aside, I went to see Public Service Broadcasting at Rock City in Nottingham last night. Possibly one of the best concerts I have ever been to.

    The use of old film and soundtrack immortalising great achievements of man over the last century combined with modern electronic music and some excellent guitar and horns is so amazingly uplifting and positive that you leave the concert feeling that we can do anything at all if we only set our minds to it. The timing in the piseces and the way in which the music is set to the events is just brilliant. No matter what your normal taste in music I would hugely recommend it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgfzEm3CWU

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think. Republican electorates are parodied as poor white trash. This is inaccurate. Take New Hampshire (admittedly an unusually secular state), where the average voter in the GOP primary was college educated, non-evangelical, well paid and over 45.

    It’s interesting to note that while Trump won among all demographic groups, he also attracted a significant number of non-Republicans or first-time-voters into the primary.

    They, frankly, matched that ugly cliché of Republicanism far better than normal Republicans do – they tended to be less-well paid and only high-school educated. But they also regard themselves as less “conservative” than you might expect. Trump won 32 per cent of those who described themselves as “moderate.” Donald Trump. Not a name you associate with moderation.
    Man: some of those tweets at the end are pretty disturbing

    Trying to do a political analysis using tweets is not the right idea, you can find tons of absurd and offensive things on facebook and twitter everyday.
    That's why I ignore the twitter fanatics.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    That's spot on IMO. There's oodles of people jumping to a caricature and not actually listening to him.
    Speedy said:

    More from Tim Stanley
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12154115/Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative.-Neither-are-those-racists-who-support-him.html

    But who, exactly, will be voting for him? That’s more complicated than you might think. Republican electorates are parodied as poor white trash. This is inaccurate. Take New Hampshire (admittedly an unusually secular state), where the average voter in the GOP primary was college educated, non-evangelical, well paid and over 45.

    It’s interesting to note that while Trump won among all demographic groups, he also attracted a significant number of non-Republicans or first-time-voters into the primary.

    They, frankly, matched that ugly cliché of Republicanism far better than normal Republicans do – they tended to be less-well paid and only high-school educated. But they also regard themselves as less “conservative” than you might expect. Trump won 32 per cent of those who described themselves as “moderate.” Donald Trump. Not a name you associate with moderation.
    That's the problem with those trying to stop Trump, he's not a conservative purist and neither are the voters, the messengers don't help either.

    People who have little credibility are barfing things like "don't vote Trump, he's not right wing enough" to an audience that doesn't care, or finds the accusation silly when the same people attacked Trump for being too right wing in the past.

    So far Trump has found the sweet spot of being conservative and moderate enough on the right issues with the GOP voters.

  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    Great! I expect Obama's intervention to backfire.
  • Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    Not a surprise.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,415

    Wonderful!

    These are rather wonderful - may well be worth a look.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-35555989

    Fantastic. Would love to see more effort put into beautifying our country.
    Him upstairs did a rather good job initially though!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RodCrosby said:

    2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
    Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
    Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb

    Jeb Bush (R) 11%
    Ben Carson (R) 5%
    Ted Cruz (R) 20%
    John Kasich (R) 9%
    Marco Rubio (R) 15%
    Donald Trump (R) 36%
    Undecided 5%

    An unbelievably strong comeback 3rd place. Rubio nailed on favourite for the nom. All you idiots with money on Trump are doomed.

    Sorry, I seemed to be channeling the spirit of Cromwell there.
  • Mr. Die, that's a fair point. The right age will vary wildly. Too high an age of consent, and it becomes ignored. Too low, and people may engage in things before they're ready.

    [Of course, that's without considering asexual people, those who are highly religious and want to wait for marriage, and so on].

    The question is not just about having sex but about having babies. It might be fine for two 14 year olds to have sex but cause all sorts of problems for two 15 year olds to become parents.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372

    Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    Not a surprise.
    What are Donald Trumps' thoughts on the matter though. After all he'll be calling the shots soon :D !
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    That will go down as well as the Guardian's attempted intervention in the US election not so long ago. If the PM thinks this will help Remain he's seriously close to losing the plot.

    Has anyone thought about the possibility of a leadership challenge to the PM BEFORE the referendum? There must have been a few letters sent to the 1922 Chairman in the past fortnight.
  • Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    Good to see the Guardian recycling news:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    American president tries to interfere in British referendum - what could possibly go wrong! If he comes off even the tiniest bit patronising, people are going to react against his message in droves.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,415

    Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    Good to see the Guardian recycling news:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154
    Telegrams take some time to reach the Cayman Islands these days.
  • I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.
  • Sandpit said:

    That will go down as well as the Guardian's attempted intervention in the US election not so long ago. If the PM thinks this will help Remain he's seriously close to losing the plot.

    Has anyone thought about the possibility of a leadership challenge to the PM BEFORE the referendum? There must have been a few letters sent to the 1922 Chairman in the past fortnight.

    Don't be silly. Of course it is significant that the US think we should stay in (not that this is a surprise, of course). It will be part of a very broad message from many different sources that it's too risky to leave. As I have been saying for years, the Leave side shouldn't underestimate the difficulties of persuading people otherwise, against such a wide consensus. (I don't think the more sensible Leavers do underestimate this, to be fair).

    As for your second point: LOL!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372

    I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Be careful it doesn't count as a err "money purchase"
  • I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Do I need to stage an intervention and take your credit card away from you ?
  • Mr. Royale, never bet what you can't afford to lose.

    Mr. Herdson, a good point I'd forgotten about :p
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sandpit said:

    Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    That will go down as well as the Guardian's attempted intervention in the US election not so long ago. If the PM thinks this will help Remain he's seriously close to losing the plot.

    Has anyone thought about the possibility of a leadership challenge to the PM BEFORE the referendum? There must have been a few letters sent to the 1922 Chairman in the past fortnight.
    Not a chance for a leadership challenge.
    However the shift inside the conservative party base against Cameron and in favour of Brexit will put pressure on leadership hopefuls to tilt to Leave.

    Afterall if Fox moved to the top of Tory members preference for next leader solely because he came out for Leave, means that if one wants to succeed Cameron one has to prove his euroskeptic credentials by backing Leave.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372
    RUBIO RISING ...the real message to come out of Iowa is the rise of Marco Rubio ..in the next seven days before NH he is sure to get a blaze of endorsements from big donors like Sheldon Aldenson and big names like Romney and McCain ...it's not over yet but the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone paying attention
  • Pulpstar said:

    What are Donald Trumps' thoughts on the matter though. After all he'll be calling the shots soon :D !

    Isn't he going to sort it by nuking Denmark?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372
    Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT …
  • Pulpstar said:

    I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Be careful it doesn't count as a err "money purchase"
    I will get charged 3% for a cash advance, but I need to take advantage of the price as it is, because it won't last.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Be careful, there is still a debate tomorrow night, and you know that debates can destroy a campaign (Rubio).
  • Mr. Royale, never bet what you can't afford to lose.

    Mr. Herdson, a good point I'd forgotten about :p

    It's ok. It's only £250 - I'm not losing my home if it's gone, but I would be mightly pissed off!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT …

    At current rate his London mayor predictions will be equally quotable.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    RUBIO RISING ...the real message to come out of Iowa is the rise of Marco Rubio ..in the next seven days before NH he is sure to get a blaze of endorsements from big donors like Sheldon Aldenson and big names like Romney and McCain ...it's not over yet but the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone paying attention

    Pulpstar said:

    Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT …

    Who wrote that crap?

    I know that after Iowa Rubio was the favourite, but that was too stupid.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,519
    edited February 2016
    Mr. Royale, I know stakes vary a lot here, but I wouldn't say 'only' £250!

    I think I bet less than half that (combined) on Alonso/Maldonado to lead lap 1 of the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix [sticks in the mind because Hamilton was disqualified from his pole, so they started 1-2 but had odds of 6/1 to lead lap 1 until the bookies realised].
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Pulpstar said:

    Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT …

    Did you forget to switch to your Cromwell account ? :trollface:
  • Speedy said:

    Who wrote that crap?

    I know that after Iowa Rubio was the favourite, but that was too stupid.

    Don't knock it, every bet needs someone on the other side!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RUBIO RISING ...the real message to come out of Iowa is the rise of Marco Rubio ..in the next seven days before NH he is sure to get a blaze of endorsements from big donors like Sheldon Aldenson and big names like Romney and McCain ...it's not over yet but the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone paying attention

    Pulpstar said:

    Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT …

    Who wrote that crap?

    I know that after Iowa Rubio was the favourite, but that was too stupid.
    Cromwell. I have been quoting him extensively recently.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    AB run out. LOL.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    Speedy said:

    I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Be careful, there is still a debate tomorrow night, and you know that debates can destroy a campaign (Rubio).
    That debate destroyed Rubio as a serious politician. He cannot even be the vice presidential nominee now. It's over for him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,783

    Pulpstar said:

    What are Donald Trumps' thoughts on the matter though. After all he'll be calling the shots soon :D !

    Isn't he going to sort it by nuking Denmark?
    Surely he hits Scotland first? They really pissed him off....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    I'm looking at Google Trends again, Cruz has gone way up in interest in S.Carolina since yesterday, however that rise in interest is due to Ted Cruz+Amy Linsday (up by more than 1000%).

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#geo=US-SC&date=now+1-d&cmpt=q&q=/m/0cqt90,+/m/07j6ty,+/m/0dpr5f,+/m/02zzm_,+/m/019x9z

    Who is Amy Linsday?
    Why the porn actress Cruz had in one if his S.Carolina attack ads against Rubio, Cruz was forced to pull the add due to the obvious danger to his evangelical message, but not before everyone found out.

  • Pulpstar said:

    What are Donald Trumps' thoughts on the matter though. After all he'll be calling the shots soon :D !

    Isn't he going to sort it by nuking Denmark?
    Surely he hits Scotland first? They really pissed him off....
    Hell, he can do both. America will be great again.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at Google Trends again, Cruz has gone way up in interest in S.Carolina since yesterday, however that rise in interest is due to Ted Cruz+Amy Linsday (up by more than 1000%).

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#geo=US-SC&date=now+1-d&cmpt=q&q=/m/0cqt90,+/m/07j6ty,+/m/0dpr5f,+/m/02zzm_,+/m/019x9z

    Who is Amy Linsday?
    Why the porn actress Cruz had in one if his S.Carolina attack ads against Rubio, Cruz was forced to pull the add due to the obvious danger to his evangelical message, but not before everyone found out.

    Do you know which movies she's been in?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Be careful, there is still a debate tomorrow night, and you know that debates can destroy a campaign (Rubio).
    That debate destroyed Rubio as a serious politician. He cannot even be the vice presidential nominee now. It's over for him.
    The GOP Establishment are going to have to get behind someone soon, or else they'll watch Trump and Cruz come through the middle of a split vote in the winner takes all states. If not Rubio, then who, Kasitch or Bush?
  • rcs1000 said:

    Do you know which movies she's been in?

    Does your dad know that you want to know that?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    SeanT said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    TGOHF said:

    It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.

    I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.

    Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.

    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    Sandpit said:

    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html

    I know they say footballers are thick, but...

    "10 second Johnson" could stick.

    "I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
    Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, too

    It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
    If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?

    I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
    He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.
    Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.
    That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.
    It works for me - keeps you on the right side of "pervy".
    I'm crossing the line in to pervy right now, then. I'm 52 and my GF is 28.

    Guilty as charged, M'Lud.
    What first attracted her to a millionaire thriller writer?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Is there now a definite chance that this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3362449/Donald-Trump-divisive-stupid-wrong-shouldn-t-ban-Britain-says-David-Cameron.html

    Might start looking like a bit of faux pas.

    We have had the last eight years with a President that doesn't like this country very much, Cameron thinks its smart to go on the record insulting one of the front runners just so we can have the same relationship for the next eight.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at Google Trends again, Cruz has gone way up in interest in S.Carolina since yesterday, however that rise in interest is due to Ted Cruz+Amy Linsday (up by more than 1000%).

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#geo=US-SC&date=now+1-d&cmpt=q&q=/m/0cqt90,+/m/07j6ty,+/m/0dpr5f,+/m/02zzm_,+/m/019x9z

    Who is Amy Linsday?
    Why the porn actress Cruz had in one if his S.Carolina attack ads against Rubio, Cruz was forced to pull the add due to the obvious danger to his evangelical message, but not before everyone found out.

    Do you know which movies she's been in?

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0512182/

  • Mr. Royale, I know stakes vary a lot here, but I wouldn't say 'only' £250!

    I think I bet less than half that (combined) on Alonso/Maldonado to lead lap 1 of the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix [sticks in the mind because Hamilton was disqualified from his pole, so they started 1-2 but had odds of 6/1 to lead lap 1 until the bookies realised].

    I've covered myself on Cruz too.

    Basically, I don't think Bush, Rubio or Kasich will do it. It'll be Trump or Cruz now, and probably Trump.

    I reckon 15% chance of Bush/Rubio/Kasich, 55% chance of Trump and 30% chance of Cruz.
  • Unusually, Stephen Bush makes a mistake in this article:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/10/why-are-boundary-changes-bad-labour

    He argues that Labour seats becoming more marginal is bad news for Labour. The opposite is true. When you're in second place and fighting to win, you want every vote you get to be working hard. Piling up large majorities is an utterly pointless use of votes.

    Of course, if you're worried about going backwards, this is a problem.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,783
    Indigo said:

    Is there now a definite chance that this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3362449/Donald-Trump-divisive-stupid-wrong-shouldn-t-ban-Britain-says-David-Cameron.html

    Might start looking like a bit of faux pas.

    We have had the last eight years with a President that doesn't like this country very much, Cameron thinks its smart to go on the record insulting one of the front runners just so we can have the same relationship for the next eight.

    Some of us remember how he shafted BP.

    Payback...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at Google Trends again, Cruz has gone way up in interest in S.Carolina since yesterday, however that rise in interest is due to Ted Cruz+Amy Linsday (up by more than 1000%).

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#geo=US-SC&date=now+1-d&cmpt=q&q=/m/0cqt90,+/m/07j6ty,+/m/0dpr5f,+/m/02zzm_,+/m/019x9z

    Who is Amy Linsday?
    Why the porn actress Cruz had in one if his S.Carolina attack ads against Rubio, Cruz was forced to pull the add due to the obvious danger to his evangelical message, but not before everyone found out.

    Given the millions of dollars involved in the campaigns, do they not employ people to do things like google the actors proposed to be in their ads - before they spend even more money filming them..?

    A good lawyer would have also ensured a watertight contract with the actress that she was responsible for not declaring anything so spectacularly obvious that it would get Mr Cruz in trouble.
  • Unusually, Stephen Bush makes a mistake in this article:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/10/why-are-boundary-changes-bad-labour

    He argues that Labour seats becoming more marginal is bad news for Labour. The opposite is true. When you're in second place and fighting to win, you want every vote you get to be working hard. Piling up large majorities is an utterly pointless use of votes.

    Of course, if you're worried about going backwards, this is a problem.

    Shouldn't they be worried? You need to have a firebreak somewhere, just in case.
  • Indigo said:

    Is there now a definite chance that this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3362449/Donald-Trump-divisive-stupid-wrong-shouldn-t-ban-Britain-says-David-Cameron.html

    Might start looking like a bit of faux pas.

    We have had the last eight years with a President that doesn't like this country very much, Cameron thinks its smart to go on the record insulting one of the front runners just so we can have the same relationship for the next eight.

    Pointless values signalling from Tulip, and Cameron went too far too.

    It's only a race to the bottom with these sort of "me too" competitions.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    I never thought I'd be saying this, but England at 6/4 (2.64) might be worth a bet. It's going to be a surprisingly close finish.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Is there now a definite chance that this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3362449/Donald-Trump-divisive-stupid-wrong-shouldn-t-ban-Britain-says-David-Cameron.html

    Might start looking like a bit of faux pas.

    We have had the last eight years with a President that doesn't like this country very much, Cameron thinks its smart to go on the record insulting one of the front runners just so we can have the same relationship for the next eight.

    Some of us remember how he shafted BP.

    Payback...
    So the current 800lb gorilla stole our packed lunch, he is just heading off and we start thumbing our noses at the new 800lb gorilla just arriving... the second gorilla might feel like our packed lunch as well now.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,684
    SeanT said:

    The Obama thing implies, again, outright panic in the REMAIN camp.

    Cameron has fucked this up, royally. And now he knows it.

    Luck-run-out time?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,110
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    I've just gone balls deep and credit carded The Donald.

    Be careful, there is still a debate tomorrow night, and you know that debates can destroy a campaign (Rubio).
    That debate destroyed Rubio as a serious politician. He cannot even be the vice presidential nominee now. It's over for him.
    Agreed. His appearance in front of supporters following that debate when he earnestly screamed, "That will never happen again!" was possibly even worse. He seems to treat politics as an exam that he can keep retaking until he passes.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    OUT..57%
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707

    Mr. Royale, I know stakes vary a lot here, but I wouldn't say 'only' £250!

    I think I bet less than half that (combined) on Alonso/Maldonado to lead lap 1 of the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix [sticks in the mind because Hamilton was disqualified from his pole, so they started 1-2 but had odds of 6/1 to lead lap 1 until the bookies realised].

    I've covered myself on Cruz too.

    Basically, I don't think Bush, Rubio or Kasich will do it. It'll be Trump or Cruz now, and probably Trump.

    I reckon 15% chance of Bush/Rubio/Kasich, 55% chance of Trump and 30% chance of Cruz.
    I don't think there's anything like a 30% chance of Cruz. He's not even going to carry all the states Santorum did.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I don't think there's anything like a 30% chance of Cruz. He's not even going to carry all the states Santorum did.

    What's your guesstimate of the probabilities?
  • Barack Obama plans EU referendum intervention

    US president plans ‘big reach out’ in attempt to persuade British voters to stay in the EU, as fears grow in Washington that Cameron could lose

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/12/barack-obama-plans-eu-referendum-intervention

    Good to see the Guardian recycling news:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154
    Recycling old news. 6 months old.
    How does he 'plan' something that was asked in an interview question by the BBC?
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