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Assuming we accept your 30/70 figure, which is at best debatable.weejonnie said:
Would you campaign on behalf of the 30% and risk alienating the 70% who agree that we should remain in the EU? Sometimes you cant get the best possible result - you have to settle for the best result possible.Danny565 said:Happily, it seems some Labour MPs are starting to realise that being evangelists for the EU, and implicitly saying that being an Outer is incompatible with voting for the party, is maybe not such a smart idea when up to a third of current Labour voters (and probably an even greater proportion of "Middle England" swing voters) plan to vote Out:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/labour-tensions-over-pro-eu-campaign-grow
Of course you don't, you do a Boris, and sit on the fence for as long as you can, and pray you can stay more or less on it the whole way through the campaign, so you piss off the minimum number of supporters. This is why modern politics sucks, because politicians rather than being people of principle, are people of expedience who try and have as few solid views on anything as they can get away with, because everyone's vote counts.... unless their last name is Corbyn, then they have a set of solid view guaranteed to repel the maximum number of voters
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Mr. T, not sure I entirely agree. There will always be some technophobes or those, like me, who use technology but not as much as the majority.
Print media (in literal terms) might yet survive.0 -
Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.0 -
Are there that many Easy Rider voters left in Nevada?
Bernie still wants to burn his bra.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.0 -
Obviously there are more heinous cases of child sexual exploitation, but what he's done is pretty despicable. He clearly used her hero worship of him to get someone he knew was a child into bed. Its not like she lied about her age while looking 18 in a club when his judgment was impaired by alcohol.SeanT said:
I said he did the crime, and should do the time. Go look at my original comment. I'm just drawing a line between predatory pedophilia and this case, because there is a difference to my mind, yet the suggested sentences are quite similar.Philip_Thompson said:
15 year olds can't consent and it's not like 15/16 relationship he was nearly twice her age. If not the age of consent where do we draw a line?SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:Pulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Sadly judges and much of society still cling to backwards attitudes about whether males can be victims of sexual abuse, donestic violence etc.Pulpstar said:
According to the CPS guidelines, the start point for him looks to be five years - as he has admitted to 'grooming' and 'penetrating'.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
Though this teacher only got 18 months for some reason. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-pe-teacher-jailed-six-7271457
I'm expecting him to get a 4 year sentence.0 -
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/0 -
When discussing the future of the print media, is there a tipping point in the distribution and logistics operation beyond which a diminishing number of titles and copies makes it uneconomical for everyone who wants one to get their choice of paper before breakfast? I imagine that a small town wanting 100 papers of 3 titles will barely be able to cover the cost of the van to deliver them from the printers, let alone the paperboy.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T, not sure I entirely agree. There will always be some technophobes or those, like me, who use technology but not as much as the majority.
Print media (in literal terms) might yet survive.0 -
Anyone seen the chancellor ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12153657/UK-growth-to-take-a-hit-as-builders-and-factories-disappoint.html0 -
I think we dropped age of consent too far. If it was 18, we could have a rule where you don't prosecute a few years apart. But it seems wrong for a 40 year od being legally allowed to sleep with someone doijg their GCSEs.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
In another new BBC story, Rolf Harris will be back in court on March 17th, on 7 more charges.0
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Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.0
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Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.0 -
Maybe Adam Johnson was just a fan of Bronski beat xD0
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Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.0 -
Perhaps, but they are still a massive lock for Clinton.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.0 -
It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.0
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Hillary may up up disproving the idea that a single establishment candidate can stop a populist voter revolt. She managed to cut off any mainstream opposition at the knees before the contest started and she's still in trouble.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.0 -
It's interesting to hear the various different views on this one, as someone who managed to resist more than fumbling around for a long time, thanks to a combination of a moderately catholic upbringing and a number of friends and acquaintances at school and uni who managed to screw their lives up at an early age after getting someone pregnant. Maybe I just got lucky when willpower was given out!Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
There's plenty of young girls chucking themselves at them, they don't need to get into trouble.AlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
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Morning Consult - South Carolina
Trump - 44%
Cruz - 17%
Carson - 10%
Rubio - 10%
Bush - 8%
Kasich - 4%
Poll conducted Feb. 10-11
apparently
The weird thing is those numbers are the same as a national poll linked earlier.
Republican candidate preference (US-wide): Trump: 44% (+6) Cruz: 17% (-) Carson: 10% (+1) Rubio: 10% (-5) Bush: 8% (+2) (via MC / 10-11 Feb) From @TSE0 -
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
The Indy's "strong online presence" consists mainly of untrue click-bait headlines.0
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According to the stats they're below the Mirror and even below some Polish news sites for popularity in the UK.perdix said:The Indy's "strong online presence" consists mainly of untrue click-bait headlines.
http://www.similarweb.com/blog/index-top-u-k-media-publishers-and-publications-of-20150 -
Bad news for Heaven 17 fans.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
That's very odd and very unlikely!Pulpstar said:Morning Consult - South Carolina
Trump - 44%
Cruz - 17%
Carson - 10%
Rubio - 10%
Bush - 8%
Kasich - 4%
Poll conducted Feb. 10-11
apparently
The weird thing is those numbers are the same as a national poll linked earlier.
Republican candidate preference (US-wide): Trump: 44% (+6) Cruz: 17% (-) Carson: 10% (+1) Rubio: 10% (-5) Bush: 8% (+2) (via MC / 10-11 Feb) From @TSE
But here's the link
http://nypost.com/2016/02/12/trump-surges-in-new-poll/
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/23/footballers-affairs-super-injunctionsAlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
this should answer some of your questions....an excellent and entertaining piece.0 -
I can honestly say that I've visited the Indy website less than 20x in a year - and then to laugh at No More Snow or Comres polls.
That revolting orange and black colour scheme didn't help either.williamglenn said:
According to the stats they're below the Mirror and even below some Polish news sites for popularity in the UK.perdix said:The Indy's "strong online presence" consists mainly of untrue click-bait headlines.
http://www.similarweb.com/blog/index-top-u-k-media-publishers-and-publications-of-20150 -
It works for me - keeps you on the right side of "pervy".SeanT said:
That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
My software says it blocked suspicious stuff when I viewed the link. Was it anything Mr Brooke said?Alanbrooke said:
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How confident are we about that now? Even if the numbers are big for Clinton at the moment, I'd have thought it one demographic that might break for Sanders given the right campaign - he's standing for the oppressed and downtrodden; surely there's some scope among the black community. On a wholly different question, has the president endorsed either candidate yet?Pulpstar said:
Perhaps, but they are still a massive lock for Clinton.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.0 -
Miss Plato, what is this 'snow' to which you refer?0
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Trump still 9/2 for the presidency while Hillary is evens. Feels nuts to me. Cruz at 18s (longer than Bush) feels even more nuts.0
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Pervy is a really interesting metric - its a visceral Ewww.
I can't go out with men that are more than 5yrs younger - I feel like their mum.TGOHF said:
It works for me - keeps you on the right side of "pervy".SeanT said:
That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Not that I know of, almost forgot Obama was still about. He has become completely anonymous !david_herdson said:
How confident are we about that now? Even if the numbers are big for Clinton at the moment, I'd have thought it one demographic that might break for Sanders given the right campaign - he's standing for the oppressed and downtrodden; surely there's some scope among the black community. On a wholly different question, has the president endorsed either candidate yet?Pulpstar said:
Perhaps, but they are still a massive lock for Clinton.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.0 -
2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 5%
Ted Cruz (R) 20%
John Kasich (R) 9%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Donald Trump (R) 36%
Undecided 5%
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Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.0 -
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, what is this 'snow' to which you refer?
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I just checked this on betfair, Trump is around 6s, Clinton a shade of odds on. Strange times.david_herdson said:Trump still 9/2 for the presidency while Hillary is evens. Feels nuts to me. Cruz at 18s (longer than Bush) feels even more nuts.
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Yes it's insanity when you look at it that way.Sandpit said:It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.
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I think we can say that Sanders is looking to bolster his vote with that demographic:david_herdson said:
How confident are we about that now? Even if the numbers are big for Clinton at the moment, I'd have thought it one demographic that might break for Sanders given the right campaign - he's standing for the oppressed and downtrodden; surely there's some scope among the black community. On a wholly different question, has the president endorsed either candidate yet?Pulpstar said:
Perhaps, but they are still a massive lock for Clinton.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/10/466276101/bernie-sanders-dines-with-al-sharpton-in-harlem
Sharpton isnt remotely my cup of tea, but his endorsement would put the turbochargers on Bernie's campaign.0 -
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You're ten years older than Bagpuss.
Puts things in perspective.SeanT said:
I'm crossing the line in to pervy right now, then. I'm 52 and my GF is 28.TGOHF said:
It works for me - keeps you on the right side of "pervy".SeanT said:
That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
Guilty as charged, M'Lud.0 -
Although IIRC wasn't Alexei Karenin about 48 and Anna 28, which comes closer to fitting the rule than to proving it?!SeanT said:
That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.Sandpit said:
Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.0 -
The Secret Footballer (who was later unmasked, but I’ve forgotten who it was) was a regular, and very entertaining read.taffys said:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/23/footballers-affairs-super-injunctionsAlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
this should answer some of your questions....an excellent and entertaining piece.
A Mancunian relation (married,in her thirties) was out with friends on a “girls night out” in the city and were approached by some footballers. The lads, who included one or two very well known names, including at least one who was certainly old enough to know a lot better, were very upset that although my relation and her friend would have a drink with them, that was as far as it went. My relation was, slightly to my surprise, somewhat shocked at the aggression she said she was shown.0 -
Yes. I would be in favour of raising to 18.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I think we dropped age of consent too far. If it was 18, we could have a rule where you don't prosecute a few years apart. But it seems wrong for a 40 year od being legally allowed to sleep with someone doijg their GCSEs.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Is throwing oneself under a train compulsory though?david_herdson said:
Although IIRC wasn't Alexei Karenin about 48 and Anna 28, which comes closer to fitting the rule than to proving it?!SeanT said:
That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Miss Plato, and 20 years older than Jesus. Or Alexander the Great.
And 40 years younger than Enrico Dandolo when he took Byzantium.0 -
Kasich +5; Rubio +1; Jeb! + 1.7; Cruz -0.3; Trump -1.3 from RCP average.RodCrosby said:2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 5%
Ted Cruz (R) 20%
John Kasich (R) 9%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Donald Trump (R) 36%
Undecided 5%0 -
In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.AlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
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That's from the average including this new poll, so the movement is greater. Kasich was on about 2% here in the previous couple of polls.Pulpstar said:
Kasich +5; Rubio +1; Jeb! + 1.7; Cruz -0.3; Trump -1.3 from RCP average.RodCrosby said:2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 5%
Ted Cruz (R) 20%
John Kasich (R) 9%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Donald Trump (R) 36%
Undecided 5%
Pretty good for Kasich, actually. This is far from being natural territory for him. But probably only good enough to prevent Rubio or Bush making progress against Cruz and Trump.
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Not as much as Obama would.Indigo said:
I think we can say that Sanders is looking to bolster his vote with that demographic:david_herdson said:
How confident are we about that now? Even if the numbers are big for Clinton at the moment, I'd have thought it one demographic that might break for Sanders given the right campaign - he's standing for the oppressed and downtrodden; surely there's some scope among the black community. On a wholly different question, has the president endorsed either candidate yet?Pulpstar said:
Perhaps, but they are still a massive lock for Clinton.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t there a recent poll which showed Bernie improving among Black voters?Pulpstar said:
Here you go:Danny565 said:
Bernie looks to be competitive in virtually any state where blacks don't make up 40%+ of the Democrat selectorate.Pulpstar said:Everyone thought it was the case with Donald Trump, but how many Democrat voters just said "Hilary" out of name recognition to a pollster earlier on in the process.
I think Bernie takes Nevada now, and Hilary is starting to look in real trouble after that.
The New Hampshire exit polls showed that his support has gone far beyond the "wealthy white liberals": he won by just as big a margin with people who described themselves as "moderate" or "conservative", and he actually performed better with lower-income voters than he did with the wealthier ones:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/exit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population
South Carolina should be safe enough for Hilary I guess then. And it is fortunate for her that Florida comes earli-ish.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/10/466276101/bernie-sanders-dines-with-al-sharpton-in-harlem
Sharpton isnt remotely my cup of tea, but his endorsement would put the turbochargers on Bernie's campaign.
He wouldn't, would he?0 -
What was that Caroline Quentin line ....SeanT said:Plato_Says
"You're ten years older than Bagpuss.
Puts things in perspective."
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lol. I think she sees me as a bit of an old Bagpuss. Who also earns squillions and takes her on free 5 star holidays all over the world. So maybe I'm an *oddly attractive* Bagpuss?
Debbie, what was it that attracted you to the much older, balding millionaire.....0 -
Taking an average of these latest two SC polls, and comparing to the previous average on 538, I make it:RodCrosby said:2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 5%
Ted Cruz (R) 20%
John Kasich (R) 9%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Donald Trump (R) 36%
Undecided 5%
Trump 40 (+4)
Cruz 18.5 (-1.5)
Rubio 12.5 (-1)
Bush 9.5 (+0.5)
Carson 7.5 (-1.5)
Kasich 6.5 (+5)0 -
From Sugar Coated Iceberg to Sugar Daddy.SeanT said:Plato_Says
"You're ten years older than Bagpuss.
Puts things in perspective."
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lol. I think she sees me as a bit of an old Bagpuss. Who also earns squillions and takes her on free 5 star holidays all over the world. So maybe I'm an *oddly attractive* Bagpuss?0 -
WTF is he thinking?!
Evening Standard
Public reject Jeremy Corbyn's call for ‘back channel’ talks with Isis https://t.co/SGlbwGnWg2 https://t.co/RW0aPhSkKA0 -
Huge dow rally after very solid retail sales numbers in the US.
Cheaper oil and gas is maybe leaving Americans with a bit more to spend. And wages are rising.0 -
The poll I linked earlier was a national.Barnesian said:
Taking an average of these latest two SC polls, and comparing to the previous average on 538, I make it:RodCrosby said:2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 5%
Ted Cruz (R) 20%
John Kasich (R) 9%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Donald Trump (R) 36%
Undecided 5%
Trump 40 (+4)
Cruz 18.5 (-1.5)
Rubio 12.5 (-1)
Bush 9.5 (+0.5)
Carson 7.5 (-1.5)
Kasich 6.5 (+5)0 -
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What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
Money.Charles said:
What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?
Read the secret footballer link I poster downthread and all will become clear.
Basically, those Gucci handbags can be quite addictive.0 -
AIUI one still has to be 18 to be sent to war by the military, although one is allowed to join up and train at 16 with parental permission. I would personally have a standardised age of majority at 18, with allowances eg for military training, learning to drive. It would simplify a lot of anomalies such as that it's legal to have sex with a 16 year old but if you have a topless photo of her aged under 18 that's child porn and can get you a prison sentence!Indigo said:
Cue high speed pass by the Outrage Bus ... "die for your country" etc...Sandpit said:
Yes. I would be in favour of raising to 18.0 -
Perhaps she is still in love with his walletCharles said:
What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
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So it was! I thought the coincidence was unlikely!Pulpstar said:
The poll I linked earlier was a national.Barnesian said:
Taking an average of these latest two SC polls, and comparing to the previous average on 538, I make it:RodCrosby said:2016 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
Opinion Savvy/Augusta Chronicle
Asked of 779 likely voters - republican 10-11 Feb
Jeb Bush (R) 11%
Ben Carson (R) 5%
Ted Cruz (R) 20%
John Kasich (R) 9%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Donald Trump (R) 36%
Undecided 5%
Trump 40 (+4)
Cruz 18.5 (-1.5)
Rubio 12.5 (-1)
Bush 9.5 (+0.5)
Carson 7.5 (-1.5)
Kasich 6.5 (+5)
My numbers become:
Trump 36 (-)
Cruz 20(-)
Rubio 15 (+2)
Bush 11(+2)
Carson 5 (-4)
Kasich 9 (+7)
This doesn't suggest any breakthrough for Bush.0 -
Didn't know that. Every day is a school day on PBPlato_Says said:Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.
Sandpit said:
Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet. 0 -
Read the Secret Footballer artticle referrd to upthread.Charles said:
What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
I started my career on the Newcastle Evening Chronicle and producing the pink'n on a Saturday evening was an amazing activity. This was late 60's without computers using traditional printing presses. We got it onto the streets by 5.30pm on a Saturday night 45 minutes after the matches ended. Things like the updated league tables had to be worked out, set and printed within a few minutes.Plato_Says said:Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.
Sandpit said:
Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.0 -
If Trump has moved to 44% nationally (Although tht sounds a bit high to me) one might expect some SC polls with him in high 30s/perhaps 40 to come.0
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Hang on, the age of consent would be 18 unless she's learning to drive?Sandpit said:AIUI one still has to be 18 to be sent to war by the military, although one is allowed to join up and train at 16 with parental permission. I would personally have a standardised age of majority at 18, with allowances eg for military training, learning to drive.
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Using myself as a poll of one, I'd raise it to 17.
Wild silly crushes are on the wane and those who are a bit worried by age of consent will wait til 16. I think I was too young though pretty grown-up.SeanT said:
18 is ridiculous. Most people reach puberty at 14 (and the age of pubescence is getting younger every decade). Making them wait four years to have sex, when their hormones are raging, is a recipe for psychological damage. Freud believed that much of the western world's neuroses spring from the delay between sexual maturity and the age of sexual activity.Sandpit said:
Yes. I would be in favour of raising to 18.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I think we dropped age of consent too far. If it was 18, we could have a rule where you don't prosecute a few years apart. But it seems wrong for a 40 year od being legally allowed to sleep with someone doijg their GCSEs.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He iadmitted.SeanT said:
IfSandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
FeelPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
Some of most demented womanisers I know - the ones who are unhealthily obsessed with sex - are the ones who waited longest to have sex when they were younger - didn't get their cherries popped until 18, 20, 21 etc. They are like people who experienced famine as a child. They end up obese when older, because they cannot resist.
I'd LOWER the age of consent to 14 or 15, if both partners are under 18 (indeed I believe this is tacitly the case now, police don't generally prosecute these "offenses"). Otherwise 16 is fine.0 -
Gambling is the biggest risk for many of them.Sandpit said:
In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.AlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
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Telegraph feels doomed to me. Suspect it is competing with the Mail and will lose.SeanT said:
Correct. I did predict that. Though it was hardly an earth-shattering insight.peter_from_putney said:"...... the Indy has developed a strongly online presence"
Really? You could have fooled me - I never see it mentioned on PB.com or referred to elsewhere, but then again I'm not a great reader of leftie journals.
Mike's certainly right about one thing though - most newspapers will cease to print hard copy over the coming years. IIRC it was SeanT who forecast that before too long we would be down to 2 or 3 national daily newspapers and perhaps one or at most two Sundays.
It's a classic example of the law of diminishing returns - as circulation numbers tumble, so the cover price soars, leading to further falls in circulation etc, etc.
In the end all papers will die, in print form, it's more a question of which will survive the longest in a dead tree format, and which will then transition successfully to an online presence.
The Times and the Mail look bestplaced in both cases, then the FT (specialist) and the Guardian (which will surely survive, in some form, as the only leftwing alternative to the BBC). The Sun and Telegraph I genuinely dunno.
The rest are doomed, Mirror, Express, nearly all the Sundays, the locals.
For me the Times, the Mail and the Guardian survive. The Guardian folds as soon as the Scott Trust runs out of money, which they are doing impressively fast.0 -
At ECOFIN this morning.Alanbrooke said:0 -
A friend of mines new ventureMarqueeMark said:
Gambling is the biggest risk for many of them.Sandpit said:
In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.AlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
http://www.abetterperspective.co.uk/0 -
People have sex under 16 too. Question is where right line is to stop exploitation of young by the old.SeanT said:Raising the age of consent to 18 is like raising the legal breathing age from 0 to 2.
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It gets covered up, the victims paid off.AlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
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That's a great story Mike.MikeSmithson said:
I started my career on the Newcastle Evening Chronicle and producing the pink'n on a Saturday evening was an amazing activity. This was late 60's without computers using traditional printing presses. We got it onto the streets by 5.30pm on a Saturday night 45 minutes after the matches ended. Things like the updated league tables had to be worked out, set and printed within a few minutes.Plato_Says said:Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.
Sandpit said:
Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.
Amazing to see the change in technology from there to blogs and crowdsourcing live scores apps in one man's working lifetime.0 -
why, do you want lunch with him?Alanbrooke said:0 -
Or she could know that he is an incredibly rich man who can give her high living standards. Same reason Rooney's wife stayed with him after he was paying for a prostitute grandma.SeanT said:
Presumably she is waiting to see if and when he is convicted and sentenced. Also, she might love him and forgive him. There's always that.Charles said:
What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/nov/30/mirror.pressandpublishing
Trinity Mirror's Newcastle Evening Chronicle is axing its weekly sports paper the Pink after more than a century and dropping its late-night edition.
The Pink, a Saturday evening paper that provides all of the day's football results, will appear for the last time on December 17 - 110 years after it was first published.Sandpit said:
Didn't know that. Every day is a school day on PBPlato_Says said:Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.
Sandpit said:
Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.0 -
Think staggered one would be best. But suspect we won't agree as you seem to have very different thoughts from me on peoples ability to restrain themselves.SeanT said:
18 is ridiculous. Most people reach puberty at 14 (and the age of pubescence is getting younger every decade). Making them wait four years to have sex, when their hormones are raging, is a recipe for psychological damage. Freud believed that much of the western world's neuroses spring from the delay between sexual maturity and the age of sexual activity.Sandpit said:
Yes. I would be in favour of raising to 18.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I think we dropped age of consent too far. If it was 18, we could have a rule where you don't prosecute a few years apart. But it seems wrong for a 40 year od being legally allowed to sleep with someone doijg their GCSEs.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He iadmitted.SeanT said:
IfSandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
FeelPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
Some of most demented womanisers I know - the ones who are unhealthily obsessed with sex - are the ones who waited longest to have sex when they were younger - didn't get their cherries popped until 18, 20, 21 etc. They are like people who experienced famine as a child. They end up obese when older, because they cannot resist.
I'd LOWER the age of consent to 14 or 15, if both partners are under 18 (indeed I believe this is tacitly the case now, police don't generally prosecute these "offenses"). Otherwise 16 is fine.0 -
They have a child. Perhaps that might be a factor.Charles said:
What I don't understand is why is his girlfriend still with him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
Yes, that's very good. Wish him luck in that venture.isam said:
A friend of mines new ventureMarqueeMark said:
Gambling is the biggest risk for many of them.Sandpit said:
In the premier league they certainly do. They have 'life coaches', financial advisors, drug and alcohol councellors etc. and the young players have an experienced team mate as a mentor. It's also drummed into them that they are expected to be role models and appearances in newspapers are to be on the back pages only. Without that support I imagine far more would succumb to easy temptations as you say.AlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
http://www.abetterperspective.co.uk/
The premier league woke up to this some years ago, the lower leagues and other sports where young and poorly uneducated kids are paid large amounts of money are the next challenges.0 -
It was epic, almost magical turnaround times.MikeSmithson said:
I started my career on the Newcastle Evening Chronicle and producing the pink'n on a Saturday evening was an amazing activity. This was late 60's without computers using traditional printing presses. We got it onto the streets by 5.30pm on a Saturday night 45 minutes after the matches ended. Things like the updated league tables had to be worked out, set and printed within a few minutes.Plato_Says said:Don't know how prevalent they were but in Newcastle we had The Pink, a newsheet with results on a Saturday PM with results distributed by hand round the pubs.
Sandpit said:
Yes, and I see @SeanT made a similar point. The various Metros, Standard and MEN seem still to be popular, the distribution costs are much smaller if they only have to travel 20 miles from the presses.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T/Mr. Sandpit, that may be the way things go. There'll never be zero interest in print news, but it might be the case that circulation drops below a sustainable level. Maybe we'll end up going German/American, and have big city focused print newspapers.
It always fascinated me when younger that one could for example watch a football match of an evening and go to bed at 10pm, then wake up in the morning to a report of the match, written, printed and delivered to the door, before the existence of the Internet.0 -
May have been beaten to the punch, but an SC poll (Augusta Chronicle)
Trump 36, Cruz 20, Rubio 15, Bush 11, Carson 5, Kasich 90 -
Don't think that's pervy - a 28 year old should know her own mind...SeanT said:
I'm crossing the line in to pervy right now, then. I'm 52 and my GF is 28.TGOHF said:
It works for me - keeps you on the right side of "pervy".SeanT said:
That was Tolstoy's prescription for the ideal age difference in marriage, not a lowest boundary of permissibility.TGOHF said:
Half your age plus 7 - the golden rule which should never be broken.Plato_Says said:It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
Guilty as charged, M'Lud.
42 and 18, though perfectly legal, on the other hand......might give one pause for thought....
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Seriously, what did you talk about? You're a very smart erudite chap. This isn't Jeremy Kyle negative IQ relationship stuff.
I find this inexplicable.SeanT said:in the interests of transparency I should add I had a relationship with a 17 year old when I was 32.
Yes, terrible, exploitative, pervy, blah blah
Yet we lasted five years together, we were very happy, we are still good friends, and we both regard this relationship as one of the best either of us have had.
And some would make this criminal? Just stupid.
Now I'm off to buy expensives wines for Valentines. Later.0 -
Ha! How many of us here would have done exactly the same?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12154142/Angry-homeowner-gets-revenge-on-commuter-who-parked-in-her-driveway.html0 -
I heard from alot of pundits on US TV (Well CNN maybe...) that South Carolina should be good teritory for Bush, as they liked his brother and also the conservative-military nature of the state should suit.MTimT said:May have been beaten to the punch, but an SC poll (Augusta Chronicle)
Trump 36, Cruz 20, Rubio 15, Bush 11, Carson 5, Kasich 90 -
Of course.Richard_Nabavi said:
Hang on, the age of consent would be 18 unless she's learning to drive?Sandpit said:AIUI one still has to be 18 to be sent to war by the military, although one is allowed to join up and train at 16 with parental permission. I would personally have a standardised age of majority at 18, with allowances eg for military training, learning to drive.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3366958/Dutch-instructors-barter-tuition-sex.html
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LDs down another Peer today.
Baroness Linklater retired (only aged 72). So that's the LDs down two Peers in two days - Shirley Williams officially retired yesterday.
Linklater took part in some key votes recently - voting in both the Govt defeat on the Trade Union Bill and in one of the Govt defeats on the Work & Pensions Bill.
New State of the Parties:
Con 250, Lab 213, LD 109, Crossbench 1780 -
I lived up the road from Haywards Heath station and had this problem. I parked behind them.
It's really naughty to park in someone's drive or allocated space.Sandpit said:Ha! How many of us here would have done exactly the same?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12154142/Angry-homeowner-gets-revenge-on-commuter-who-parked-in-her-driveway.html0 -
Its less in lots of EU countries, or at least they have exception for significantly younger people if there are no aggravating factors, for example Germany:NorfolkTilIDie said:
People have sex under 16 too. Question is where right line is to stop exploitation of young by the old.SeanT said:Raising the age of consent to 18 is like raising the legal breathing age from 0 to 2.
The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"
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Dave kitson was the secret footballer although I suspect it was / is actually more than one persons stories.OldKingCole said:
The Secret Footballer (who was later unmasked, but I’ve forgotten who it was) was a regular, and very entertaining read.taffys said:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/23/footballers-affairs-super-injunctionsAlastairMeeks said:It would be useful to know what guidance football clubs give to their players about keeping out of trouble. It constantly amazes me that young fit rich men with a lot of free time in the public eye don't get into more trouble with the opposite sex than they do.
this should answer some of your questions....an excellent and entertaining piece.
A Mancunian relation (married,in her thirties) was out with friends on a “girls night out” in the city and were approached by some footballers. The lads, who included one or two very well known names, including at least one who was certainly old enough to know a lot better, were very upset that although my relation and her friend would have a drink with them, that was as far as it went. My relation was, slightly to my surprise, somewhat shocked at the aggression she said she was shown.0 -
http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/456691/peak-politics-for-bbc-as-parliament-channel-reels-in-record-number-of-viewers.thtml
BBC Parliament has reported a record high of an average of two million viewers a month for the first time ever in 2015.
This is an increase of 150,000 viewers each month on the 2014 figures - and it marks the first time the BBC’s dedicated parliamentary channel has broken the two million viewers per month threshold.
BBC Parliament controller Peter Knowles told TP:
"Providing more live coverage of the key political debates and discussions has meant that during 2015, a dramatic year in politics, we’ve seen a surge in people using BBC Parliament to follow proceedings.
Apparently the new camera angles, brought in last year, represent the first such change since 1989. According to a BBC spokesman, the new camera angles "bring audiences closer to the key exchanges, debates and votes0
