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Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)0 -
Amen to that!TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)0 -
Quite happy to believe it. - I should clarify, my experience of the Indie is based on my return to the UK which was very much post Andrew Marr’s editorship. – From my own experience, their front page global warming stance was as bad and repetitive as the D’Express was on Diana.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not originally. When it started it was an excellent newspaper, which actually lived up to its name. It then went awry under Andrew Marr (who had been a very good political journalist, but wasn't very good as editor), and it then went completely bonkers with its front-page splashes on things like Ten Marmalades To Save The Earth.SimonStClare said:
The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!runnymede said:If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.
Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.
[Update ] Mr Herdson, noted.
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Yes it is possible and i think in fairness most people would not describe the Independent as either Tory or a ragWanderer said:
Is it possible for a paper to be Tory but not a rag (or a rag, but not Tory)?bigjohnowls said:
Not sure but Independent said vote for a Tory / LD coalition at GE 2015 so that makes it a Tory rag in my eyes.Wanderer said:
I wonder if you would agree with the friend of mine who informed me, last year, that there were "no left wing journalists at the Guardian."bigjohnowls said:On Topic another Tory Rag folds
Plus people like John Rentoul et al are certainly not left wing journalists
I guess my Tory Rag comment was tongue in cheek but I do believe the Editorial on 1/5/15 has probably hastened its demise.0 -
Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)MyBurningEars said:
A breaking new story about the deceased Canadian tech giant Nortel:TheScreamingEagles said:Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.
Nortern Telecom Inc is also readying a new smart phone....
Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
In 1995 I visited the Nortel labs in Raleigh USA and they had ip phones working in one office. Their decline was amazing and tragic for their employees.
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Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)0 -
When I was a student, the safe answer in a job interview when asked what paper you read was to say the Independent, so as to come across as serious but without giving away your politics. One of my mates gave this answer, but then added "but if I want a bit of a laugh, I read the Sun". He didn't get offered the job.0
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Probably when the Sun editors were being prosecuted?david_herdson said:
Absolutely.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure the BBC will manage...also perhaps they will run some sort of psuedo Indy Front Page from the website? In all fairness, if they have a really good scoop, not one of their constant eco-bollock, they should cover it.david_herdson said:One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).
With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.
Actually, the biggest bias in the Beeb is not left over right but 'broadsheet' over 'tabloid'. When was anything in the Sun last reported?
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In 1995 I visited the Nortel labs in Raleigh USA and they had ip phones working in one office. Their decline was amazing and tragic for their employees.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)MyBurningEars said:
A breaking new story about the deceased Canadian tech giant Nortel:TheScreamingEagles said:Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.
Nortern Telecom Inc is also readying a new smart phone....
Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
I worked on that tech....0 -
If a newspaper folded and no one was around to read it, would it make a difference?0
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Maybe so in fact yes you are right.david_herdson said:
Probably. I do wonder whether the i's viewed a bit sniffily as being cut-price?bigjohnowls said:
The i might get more prominence maybe?david_herdson said:One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).
With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.
I do buy it a couple of times a week but then again I hide it in my Mirror in case my working class credentials are damaged!!!0 -
The intervention in Syria was to prevent a massacre.Luckyguy1983 said:
Anyone who supported the uprising in Syria (and the successful regime change in Libya) supported terrorists. Often exactly the same individuals. In the case of our politicians often material support. David Cameron has done a lot more for these people than Sadiq Khan will probably ever have the means to.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure everybody has supported a terrorist in a personal capacity. It's what we all do these days. There is nothing tenuous about that link.Danny565 said:
I don't even like him particularly. I just think it's laughable to say he's a "terrorist sympathiser" on the basis of... um... he once happened to be at the same event as a particular person, and his sister happened to marry a particular person. Oh, and because he wants more Muslims to be police officers.isam said:
It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massiveFrancisUrquhart said:http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html
It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.
I stand by that you can literally say almost ANYONE is "dodgy" if you're going to base it on such tenuous links. It's practically Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon stuff.0 -
Normally I'm very disappasionate on betting and don't allow my biases to colour my judgement, however I lost my judgement when it came to Trump.Sandpit said:
Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)
Was on course for my biggest betting loss since the 2001 Ashes.
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Wonder what the "correct" answer will be now? "I don't a paper, I use the internet to get my news from multiple sources" ?SandyRentool said:When I was a student, the safe answer in a job interview when asked what paper you read was to say the Independent, so as to come across as serious but without giving away your politics. One of my mates gave this answer, but then added "but if I want a bit of a laugh, I read the Sun". He didn't get offered the job.
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I worked on that tech....FrancisUrquhart said:
In 1995 I visited the Nortel labs in Raleigh USA and they had ip phones working in one office. Their decline was amazing and tragic for their employees.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)MyBurningEars said:
A breaking new story about the deceased Canadian tech giant Nortel:TheScreamingEagles said:Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.
Nortern Telecom Inc is also readying a new smart phone....
Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
I always wondered how the Chinese got hold of it.
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@jimwaterson: So Jeremy Corbyn gets almost all his news by buying a paper copy of the Independent (and not a lot else) every morning.0
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Ouch! Well glad you got out of it, thanks to the massive over-reaction to Rubio's second place and the convenient timing of your return from the US.TheScreamingEagles said:
Normally I'm very disappasionate on betting and don't allow my biases to colour my judgement, however I lost my judgement when it came to Trump.Sandpit said:
Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)
Was on course for my biggest betting loss since the 2001 Ashes.
I've stayed away from US election betting so far, but following it on here shows how to play the game.
If the US ends up being Trump v Sanders, who should the Tories put up against Corbyn in 2020 - Peter Bone?0 -
Not sure it was a lack of judgement. A lot of people were expecting Trump's lack of judgement to cost him in the end. He did have the look of a bubble candidate initially. Precedent and character both argued strongly against him. It was only after he'd been leading the polls for three months that I started taking him seriously, which is stupid when you think about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Normally I'm very disappasionate on betting and don't allow my biases to colour my judgement, however I lost my judgement when it came to Trump.Sandpit said:
Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)
Was on course for my biggest betting loss since the 2001 Ashes.0 -
Just caught up with last nights By - Elections.
Excellent night for Jezza0 -
The path for Labour is VERY clear.Sandpit said:
Ouch! Well glad you got out of it, thanks to the massive over-reaction to Rubio's second place and the convenient timing of your return from the US.TheScreamingEagles said:
Normally I'm very disappasionate on betting and don't allow my biases to colour my judgement, however I lost my judgement when it came to Trump.Sandpit said:
Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)
Was on course for my biggest betting loss since the 2001 Ashes.
If the US ends up being Trump v Sanders, who should the Tories put up against Corbyn in 2020 - Peter Bone?
They need to dump Corbyn and replace him with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KytKQhtD48Y0 -
Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/1211520 -
Labour will have high hopes for Earlsdon and som other places in Coventry.bigjohnowls said:Just caught up with last nights By - Elections.
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Never mind the GOP race, this will be within MoE won't it?
https://twitter.com/americaelect/status/6981431005318430720 -
Even when the polling was showing ahead for three months I took the Glencore strategy.david_herdson said:
Not sure it was a lack of judgement. A lot of people were expecting Trump's lack of judgement to cost him in the end. He did have the look of a bubble candidate initially. Precedent and character both argued strongly against him. It was only after he'd been leading the polls for three months that I started taking him seriously, which is stupid when you think about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Normally I'm very disappasionate on betting and don't allow my biases to colour my judgement, however I lost my judgement when it came to Trump.Sandpit said:
Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)
Was on course for my biggest betting loss since the 2001 Ashes.
In 2012 it was really profitable to lay the loon.0 -
Depends whether the story was above the fold or below it.AlastairMeeks said:If a newspaper folded and no one was around to read it, would it make a difference?
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I think she's always been inclined towards Leave. I certainly got that impression when I met her before she became an MP.SeanT said:She is, but she's a late convert to LEAVE. She has expressed perplexity (haven't we all) at Cameron's grave mishandling of the renegotiations.
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If he buys a copy of a different newspaper, he might have this reaction...Scott_P said:@jimwaterson: So Jeremy Corbyn gets almost all his news by buying a paper copy of the Independent (and not a lot else) every morning.
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Nervous nineties for Root.
Edit: shit!
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The precedents - such as Newt Gingrich - suggested it was right not to take him seriously and that his campaign would implode before too long.david_herdson said:Not sure it was a lack of judgement. A lot of people were expecting Trump's lack of judgement to cost him in the end. He did have the look of a bubble candidate initially. Precedent and character both argued strongly against him. It was only after he'd been leading the polls for three months that I started taking him seriously, which is stupid when you think about it.
It doesn't look that way now, but it was a reasonable view for a while.0 -
He hit itSandpit said:Nervous nineties for Root.
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What is there to debate? The government is implementing the policy that was in its manifesto.bigjohnowls said:Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121152
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Re-edit: un-shit?Sandpit said:Nervous nineties for Root.
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I actually forgot England were still playing :-) What would we do without Joe Root...Sandpit said:Nervous nineties for Root.
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Edit2: not out!0 -
Sandpit said:
What is there to debate? The government is implementing the policy that was in its manifesto.bigjohnowls said:Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121152
Well clearly the Tories cheated to win the election, and therefore they shouldn't be allowed to implement their manifesto.
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Trump was fortunate enough to have a whole bunch of other bubble candidates rise and fall quickly before him.Richard_Nabavi said:
The precedents - such as Newt Gingrich - suggested it was right not to take him seriously and that his campaign would implode before too long.david_herdson said:Not sure it was a lack of judgement. A lot of people were expecting Trump's lack of judgement to cost him in the end. He did have the look of a bubble candidate initially. Precedent and character both argued strongly against him. It was only after he'd been leading the polls for three months that I started taking him seriously, which is stupid when you think about it.
It doesn't look that way now, but it was a reasonable view for a while.
Carson the main example I guess this year.0 -
The stupidity of these petitions.Sandpit said:
What is there to debate? The government is implementing the policy that was in its manifesto.bigjohnowls said:Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
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I think had Trump not come out with his anti Muslim stuff, I wouldn't have laid him so much.
I love visiting America.0 -
Indeed, a collective case of not wanting to believe the evidence in our face.david_herdson said:
Not sure it was a lack of judgement. A lot of people were expecting Trump's lack of judgement to cost him in the end. He did have the look of a bubble candidate initially. Precedent and character both argued strongly against him. It was only after he'd been leading the polls for three months that I started taking him seriously, which is stupid when you think about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Normally I'm very disappasionate on betting and don't allow my biases to colour my judgement, however I lost my judgement when it came to Trump.Sandpit said:
Well done! Sounded like you were in a large Trump-shaped hole before Iowa.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just about.Pulpstar said:
So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.Pulpstar said:
My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.TheScreamingEagles said:Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
Trump: 44% (+6)
Cruz: 17% (-)
Carson: 10% (+1)
Rubio: 10% (-5)
Bush: 8% (+2)
(via MC / 10-11 Feb)
Was on course for my biggest betting loss since the 2001 Ashes.
One of the most respectable political analysts here, last summer, regularly posted graphs showing Trump's trajectory as being the same as all the bubble candidates in the GOP's 2008 and 2012 nomination races. That same analyst simply stopped publishing the graphs when the data showed that Trump had broken the bubble mold, without any story to draw that conclusion - the evidence was simply not spoken about and different forms of analysis were adopted.
I started fearing Trump was not a bubble once we passed out of the silly summer season into the heart of the autumn campaign ramp up and Trump was still in the lead. Even then, I did not in my heart of hearts believe it, just feared it.0 -
Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
Lab votes do appear to be piling up where they dont need them to.Pulpstar said:
Labour will have high hopes for Earlsdon and som other places in Coventry.bigjohnowls said:Just caught up with last nights By - Elections.
Excellent night for Jezza
Tories used to claim that as Electoral bias didnt they.
Now they are less guarded about gerrymandering0 -
Yeah, but that's normal. Think Michele Bachman and the pizza guy.Pulpstar said:Trump was fortunate enough to have a whole bunch of other bubble candidates rise and fall quickly before him.
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"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."0 -
I notice that Ukip % fell in the by elections overnight, tbh I'm amazed anybody would vote Ukip in it's present form, effectively it's closed for business. Anybody connected with Ukip is only interested in the referendum, if we, against the odds, get to Leave it will fulfil the wishes of so many of us. Of course the reverse is true but anybody enjoying what they perceive as Ukip's demise is wasting their time.0
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Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
They have their place to bring attention to things not on the government's radar, rather like an opposition day debate, but using them purely to oppose a current live policy is stupid beyond belief. If you don't like the policy then vote to change it at the election.flightpath01 said:
The stupidity of these petitions.Sandpit said:
What is there to debate? The government is implementing the policy that was in its manifesto.bigjohnowls said:Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
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Where he is going, that is the least of his worries.Pulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."0 -
Woakes gone...sigh...and we now have to put up with his crap bowling.0
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The only Politician ever to be subject to 2 no confidence debates in Parliament by Public demand.Sandpit said:
What is there to debate? The government is implementing the policy that was in its manifesto.bigjohnowls said:Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121152
He of course will be out of Health anyway by 2017
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That's not true though. Carson bubbled long after Trump had risen to first place:Pulpstar said:
Trump was fortunate enough to have a whole bunch of other bubble candidates rise and fall quickly before him.Richard_Nabavi said:
The precedents - such as Newt Gingrich - suggested it was right not to take him seriously and that his campaign would implode before too long.david_herdson said:Not sure it was a lack of judgement. A lot of people were expecting Trump's lack of judgement to cost him in the end. He did have the look of a bubble candidate initially. Precedent and character both argued strongly against him. It was only after he'd been leading the polls for three months that I started taking him seriously, which is stupid when you think about it.
It doesn't look that way now, but it was a reasonable view for a while.
Carson the main example I guess this year.
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Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
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Do people seriously think it's a bad idea to Google your symptoms? I mean, 100% of people do it, right?flightpath01 said:
The stupidity of these petitions.Sandpit said:
What is there to debate? The government is implementing the policy that was in its manifesto.bigjohnowls said:Another Parliamentary debate looms for Hunt as this will pass 100000 today.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121152
Of course you will often find NHS sites near the top of the results.0 -
I am sure she is [still] with him for his intellect, honesty and all round charm. Not sure his magnetic personality will be quite so attractive minus £60k a week.TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly when you look at how beautiful his girlfriend is, what the feck was he thinking ?FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...0 -
100 for Root - eventually. Hopefully he doesn't run out of partners, he only got two others left and still eight overs to go.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...and we now have to put up with his crap bowling.
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TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
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But a bad one for Labour. More votes piled up in safe seats.bigjohnowls said:Just caught up with last nights By - Elections.
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I am on GT 216 at Evs thankfully placed at fall of 5th wicketSandpit said:
100 for Root - eventually. Hopefully he doesn't run out of partners, he only got two others left and still eight overs to go.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...and we now have to put up with his crap bowling.
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Had it Wednesday morning. Looks like it went ok.TOPPING said:
TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
Just need to change my lifestyle a bit and should be fine.0 -
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
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A friend of a friend of mine is a tailor whose customers include the PM... he was fitting a very well known ex footballer who came up with a now legendary phrase among my group of friends, describing the weakness of well intentioned men when women are involved...SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
"The power of the pussy is immense"0 -
Yorkshire currently 117/0 (plus extras). Rest of England 105/7 being generous.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
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I think the iWatch one is pretty reliable if you're looking for error-free step counting.SeanT said:Pulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo* scandals we've seen elsewhere.0 -
Good to hear.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had it Wednesday morning. Looks like it went ok.TOPPING said:
TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
Just need to change my lifestyle a bit and should be fine.0 -
Good news.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had it Wednesday morning. Looks like it went ok.TOPPING said:
TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
Just need to change my lifestyle a bit and should be fine.
Does that mean we cant go for burgers though?0 -
Good news!TheScreamingEagles said:
Had it Wednesday morning. Looks like it went ok.TOPPING said:
TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
Just need to change my lifestyle a bit and should be fine.0 -
We can go for burgers. Just not dessertbigjohnowls said:
Good news.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had it Wednesday morning. Looks like it went ok.TOPPING said:
TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
Just need to change my lifestyle a bit and should be fine.
Does that mean we cant go for burgers though?0 -
Will PM you soon.TheScreamingEagles said:
We can go for burgers. Just not dessertbigjohnowls said:
Good news.TheScreamingEagles said:
Had it Wednesday morning. Looks like it went ok.TOPPING said:
TSE were you having a procedure this week? Apols it is of course none of my business but hope it went/all is ok.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
Just need to change my lifestyle a bit and should be fine.
Does that mean we cant go for burgers though?0 -
A Spanish civil servant has been fined €27,000 (£21,000; $30,000) after not going to work for "at least" six years.
Joaquin Garcia's absence was only noticed when he became eligible to collect a long-service award.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-355577250 -
"A bat!?!? Luxury! When I wert'lad, all I had wer a stick'o rhubarb."TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
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For anyone who likes true life prison stuff, Channel 5 has a superb series with Paul Connelly. He did their Benefits Fraud series.
http://www.channel5.com/show/inside-the-worlds-toughest-prisons
The second one where he's spending 5 days in a Polish prison is excellent. He does strip searched and solitary.0 -
Don't think those consultants had their finger on the pulse at all. I was working for the research lab of a major mobile technology company about that time, and we were producing prototype smartphones (early PDAs with telephony bits grafted onto them). We also had prototypes of mobile video streaming running, so quite a lot of data was being pushed around. It was all pretty hush hush then, but key people in most of the major phone companies had seen it. NTT DoCoMo was well into the development of W-CDMA by this time, which became the basis of 3G.MyBurningEars said:Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)
Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
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According to the CPS guidelines, the start point for him looks to be five years - as he has admitted to 'grooming' and 'penetrating'.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.
Though this teacher only got 18 months for some reason. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-pe-teacher-jailed-six-7271457
I'm expecting him to get a 4 year sentence.
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I have some sympathy with your argument, without ever condoning what has happened he is clearly being made an example of. I'm not sure what the suitable punishment isSeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Rhubarb you wer lucky.SandyRentool said:
"A bat!?!? Luxury! When I wert'lad, all I had wer a stick'o rhubarb."TheScreamingEagles said:
Fret not. Two Yorkshiremen at the crease now.FrancisUrquhart said:Woakes gone...sigh...
We had to mek do we a string a conkers that we had to walk 52 miles to get b4 we ad a bat0 -
The follow-up question to this is...Indigo said:
Don't think those consultants had their finger on the pulse at all. I was working for the research lab of a major mobile technology company about that time, and we were producing prototype smartphones (early PDAs with telephony bits grafted onto them). We also had prototypes of mobile video streaming running, so quite a lot of data was being pushed around. It was all pretty hush hush then, but key people in most of the major phone companies had seen it. NTT DoCoMo was well into the development of W-CDMA by this time, which became the basis of 3G.MyBurningEars said:Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)
Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
Were the media companies (and I include the press in this) keeping half an eye on the potential disruption this could cause them?0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Owls, a string of conkers? Luxury!
We had a damp, rolled-up copy of the Independent. If we were lucky!0 -
15 year olds can't consent and it's not like 15/16 relationship he was nearly twice her age. If not the age of consent where do we draw a line?SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Happily, it seems some Labour MPs are starting to realise that being evangelists for the EU, and implicitly saying that being an Outer is incompatible with voting for the party, is maybe not such a smart idea when up to a third of current Labour voters (and probably an even greater proportion of "Middle England" swing voters) plan to vote Out:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/labour-tensions-over-pro-eu-campaign-grow0 -
I think we are about to enter "all rapes are the same territory"...0
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India GT 186 now for me.
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The unpure must be purged.Danny565 said:Happily, it seems some Labour MPs are starting to realise that being evangelists for the EU, and implicitly saying that being an Outer is incompatible with voting for the party, is maybe not such a smart idea when up to a third of current Labour voters (and probably an even greater proportion of "Middle England" swing voters) plan to vote Out:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/labour-tensions-over-pro-eu-campaign-grow0 -
An these bloody Junior Drs think ther ard dun byMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Owls, a string of conkers? Luxury!
We had a damp, rolled-up copy of the Independent. If we were lucky!
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I doubt it at that time. After that job I moved to a succession of consultancies for the main mobile phone operators, all of who had endless hassle from the media companies who were trying to stay rigidly to their old school content licensing model, and patently didn't understand the mobile world at all.MyBurningEars said:
The follow-up question to this is...Indigo said:
Don't think those consultants had their finger on the pulse at all. I was working for the research lab of a major mobile technology company about that time, and we were producing prototype smartphones (early PDAs with telephony bits grafted onto them). We also had prototypes of mobile video streaming running, so quite a lot of data was being pushed around. It was all pretty hush hush then, but key people in most of the major phone companies had seen it. NTT DoCoMo was well into the development of W-CDMA by this time, which became the basis of 3G.MyBurningEars said:Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)
Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
Were the media companies (and I include the press in this) keeping half an eye on the potential disruption this could cause them?
What they were asking for was the equivalent of a content feed like twitter not pushing tweets at you, or even hosting them for your to go and look at, but sending a request for each tweet back to the originating media company, every time someone viewed it, so they could serve you what section of the page in their own house style and according to their own rules.... can you imagine how long it would have taken build a page and how bad it would have looked!0 -
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New NEVADA poll, conducted mostly before N.H:
Sanders 45
Hillary 45
http://freebeacon.com/politics/free-beacon-poll-clinton-and-sanders-tied-in-nevada/
The internals are even worse for Hillary:
"47 percent plurality of undecideds say that Sanders is the more trustworthy candidate. Just 10 percent say the same about Clinton."
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Syria's President Assad vows to retake "the whole country", in AFP interview published hours after war pause agreed
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35561845
The world ceasefire clearly means something different in Arabic.0 -
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
Bernie takes Nevada on this, he always outperforms the polls.Speedy said:ALERT
New NEVADA poll, conducted mostly before N.H:
Sanders 45
Hillary 45
http://freebeacon.com/politics/free-beacon-poll-clinton-and-sanders-tied-in-nevada/
The internals are even worse for Hillary:
"47 percent plurality of undecideds say that Sanders is the more trustworthy candidate. Just 10 percent say the same about Clinton."0 -
Given the current geo-political situation the best thing would be for him to do that as soon as possible.FrancisUrquhart said:Syria's President Assad vows to retake "the whole country", in AFP interview published hours after war pause agreed
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35561845
The world ceasefire clearly means something different in Arabic.0 -
"...... the Indy has developed a strongly online presence"
Really? You could have fooled me - I never see it mentioned on PB.com or referred to elsewhere, but then again I'm not a great reader of leftie journals.
Mike's certainly right about one thing though - most newspapers will cease to print hard copy over the coming years. IIRC it was SeanT who forecast that before too long we would be down to 2 or 3 national daily newspapers and perhaps one or at most two Sundays.
It's a classic example of the law of diminishing returns - as circulation numbers tumble, so the cover price soars, leading to further falls in circulation etc, etc.0 -
Rule #1 in limited overs cricket: use all your overs. 262 unlikely to be enough for England.0
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Mr. Owls, we had to work a 9 day week, and pay for privilege of dilating time!
Mr. Urquhart, to be fair, the ceasefire agreement appears to have been written by the wishful thinking department. It's about as impressive as Cameron's negotiating skill.0 -
There is another feedback loop. As the number of commuters buying papers fell, so newsagents started to open later or closed completely, which meant commuters could not buy papers.peter_from_putney said:"...... the Indy has developed a strongly online presence"
Really? You could have fooled me - I never see it mentioned on PB.com or referred to elsewhere, but then again I'm not a great reader of leftie journals.
Mike's certainly right about one thing though - most newspapers will cease to print hard copy over the coming years. IIRC it was SeanT who forecast that before too long we would be down to 2 or 3 national daily newspapers and perhaps one or at most two Sundays.
It's a classic example of the law of diminishing returns - as circulation numbers tumble, so the cover price soars, leading to further falls in circulation etc, etc.0 -
Would you campaign on behalf of the 30% and risk alienating the 70% who agree that we should remain in the EU? Sometimes you cant get the best possible result - you have to settle for the best result possible.Danny565 said:Happily, it seems some Labour MPs are starting to realise that being evangelists for the EU, and implicitly saying that being an Outer is incompatible with voting for the party, is maybe not such a smart idea when up to a third of current Labour voters (and probably an even greater proportion of "Middle England" swing voters) plan to vote Out:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/labour-tensions-over-pro-eu-campaign-grow0 -
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_democratic_presidential_caucus-5337.html#polls
Now Sanders 45
Hillary 45
Massive lead for Hilary just disappeared into thin air.
Nevada before South Carolina for the Democrats.0 -
Labour need to grow beyond their base if they want to win an election.weejonnie said:
Would you campaign on behalf of the 30% and risk alienating the 70% who agree that we should remain in the EU? Sometimes you cant get the best possible result - you have to settle for the best result possible.Danny565 said:Happily, it seems some Labour MPs are starting to realise that being evangelists for the EU, and implicitly saying that being an Outer is incompatible with voting for the party, is maybe not such a smart idea when up to a third of current Labour voters (and probably an even greater proportion of "Middle England" swing voters) plan to vote Out:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/labour-tensions-over-pro-eu-campaign-grow0 -
It's the grooming and checking age of consent stuff that kills him.
I slept with 20yrs olds when I was 15 going on 16 and looked/acted 18. They couldn't be held responsible for me deliberately misleading them. And I would be horrified if they were.
Being 28 was too far out for me - that was OLD.Sandpit said:
He isnt the first successful young man to do something silly with a besotted young fan, and surely won't be the last. See numerous sportsmen and entertainers over the last decades. He's still old enough to know is wrong though, and he doesn't have the Doug Richard defence that she said she was old enough. Probably looking at a few years, aggravated by the 'grooming' charge to which he already admitted.SeanT said:
If that were my daughter I'd feel quite angry, but it doesn't sound like she was abused (apart from the illegality of the act itself), it sounds like she was fairly forward herself, and hardly an innocent. It wouldn't put me in a blind murderous rage, like some other cases we've seen here, recently.Sandpit said:
If he were a naive 18 year old footballer then we might agree. But he's 28 and should know a lot better. Put yourself in the position of the father of the girl and say you still feel any sorrow for him?SeanT said:
Feel very slightly sorry for him. Clearly he's guilty, should go down, etc, but the girl was eager, keen, and flirtatious. His career is probably finished thanks to the weakness of the flesh. There are many men who've done the same and gotten away with it - and women, tooPulpstar said:
"10 second Johnson" could stick.FrancisUrquhart said:Johnson 'carried out an internet search on the legal age of consent'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12153477/Adam-Johnson-due-in-court-for-start-of-child-sex-trial.html
I know they say footballers are thick, but...
"I will last ten seconds though...because it will be too good...you felt very turned on."
It doesn't stand comparison with the pedo scandals we've seen elsewhere.
Besides, the opinions of the parents are strictly speaking irrelevant.
I'm not defending him, just remarking that men are weak when it comes to sex. Weak and foolish - but not necessarily evil, in all cases.0 -
There's a difference between campaigning to stay in the EU, and saying staying in the EU is one of the absolute top priorities of the party while treating anyone who has the opposite opinion with utter disdain. Labour made that mistake on the Scottish referendum, and have looked like making it again on the EU.weejonnie said:
Would you campaign on behalf of the 30% and risk alienating the 70% who agree that we should remain in the EU? Sometimes you cant get the best possible result - you have to settle for the best result possible.Danny565 said:Happily, it seems some Labour MPs are starting to realise that being evangelists for the EU, and implicitly saying that being an Outer is incompatible with voting for the party, is maybe not such a smart idea when up to a third of current Labour voters (and probably an even greater proportion of "Middle England" swing voters) plan to vote Out:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/labour-tensions-over-pro-eu-campaign-grow0 -
Oh God, I have unleashed a PB Yorkiegasm.
Anyway, good to see that some in Labour are realising that been Brussels bag-carriers isn't universally popular with our voters.0
