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edited February 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Independent bows to the inevitable and will stop its printed edition at the end of March

The big media news this lunchtime is that the Indy and Indy on Sunday will stop producing printed editions at Easter but is going to continue in an online form.

Read the full story here


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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    edited February 2016
    Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,597
    I hope Mike is wrong. I actually prefer a newspaper - sitting down with it at a table and reading it properly, rather than flicking idly from one link to another.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    rottenborough said:

    I hope Mike is wrong. I actually prefer a newspaper - sitting down with it at a table and reading it properly, rather than flicking idly from one link to another.

    I used to be like that. But I prefer the iPad editions than the print editions
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,035
    England collapse well underway. 100/5.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,711
    Wonder if the yellow peril can retake Eastleigh in 2020.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    A fine newspaper. Endorsed the Tories at the last election.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2016
    ** Anecdote alert"

    EU Game Changer.

    Lady Chestnut has just received a letter from Marks and Spencers informing her that her loyalty points scheme will now be less generous following an EU ruling about lower charges from card providers to businesses.

    She's now a Leave. :smile:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    Pulpstar said:

    Wonder if the yellow peril can retake Eastleigh in 2020.

    Near 10k majority, popular MP and boundary changes, the Tories would really have to feck things up in 2020 to lose it.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    It got what it deserved based on content quality.

    Tilting at Greenies and Corbynistas.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Full result from last night's Eastleigh BC West End North byelection

    LD 582 ( 53.0% ) plus 13.1%
    Con 315 ( 28.7% ) minus 6.4%
    UKIP 115 ( 10.5% ) minus 4.9%
    Lab 58 ( 5.3% ) minus 4.3%
    Green 28 ( 2.5% ) plus 2.5%
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    A fine newspaper. Endorsed the Tories at the last election.

    After spending 5 years attacking the Conservatives. The "endorsement" came across as an instruction from the publisher.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Sums it up

    Will McHoebag
    Anti-austerity Independent closing down. Anti-austerity Guardian close to failing too. Why don't they just spend their way out of debt..?
  • wumperwumper Posts: 35
    Hope the Murdoch empire is next saving millions of trees
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    Someone on my Twitter feed has pointed out Goldsmith's ex brother in law has an arrest warrant out for him.

    http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/322120-Arrest-warrants-of-TahirulQadri-and-Imran-Khan-i
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I fail to see how the newspaper of such towering figures as Yasmin Alibhai-Brown can be going under.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I believe subscription on-line is the only way forward for newspapers, the new generation are tech savvy and have known nothing else. Print versions in a decade will be the sole domain of wrinklies and when they go, sales will fall off a cliff.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,429
    Almost all papers may eventually go online only apart from a few freebies, however I will continue to buy the printed Times edition until it shuts and I have no choice but to subscribe to it online
    I still prefer to read papers in print than on the smartphone on the train or tube
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,597
    Interesting debate on Fivethirtyeight, especially about Kasich and Bush.

    "Kasich’s campaign only has $2.5 million cash on hand. Cruz has $18.7 million, and Rubio has $10.4, by comparison."

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gop-deathmatch-three-men-will-enter-the-winner-will-probably-lose-to-trump-anyway/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    England collapsing like the Lib Dems in 2015
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,597
    Plato_Says said:

    Sums it up

    Will McHoebag
    Anti-austerity Independent closing down. Anti-austerity Guardian close to failing too. Why don't they just spend their way out of debt..?

    Again. Private debt is not the same as government debt.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,257
    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    BBC seemed to think so...also going to dinner with some bloke on a yatch used to be calls for a resignation.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,035
    Ali goes. All hopes with Joe Root for a half decent score now.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    But yes, the future of news is instant and electronic; the future of quality writing is weekly or monthly (as it always has been). I'm not sure there's space in between.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The Times and Sun make money.
    wumper said:

    Hope the Murdoch empire is next saving millions of trees

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,257
    Sandpit said:

    Ali goes. All hopes with Joe Root for a half decent score now.

    Ali's batting has been poor all tour.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,035
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    BBC seemed to think so...also going to dinner with some bloke on a yatch used to be calls for a resignation.
    Even more so when that yacht story came from a Mr Mandleson - who was on the same damn yacht!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    But yes, the future of news is instant and electronic; the future of quality writing is weekly or monthly (as it always has been). I'm not sure there's space in between.
    I thought the best journalism of 2015 was the Guardian long reads on Labour and the Lib Dems
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    taffys said:

    I fail to see how the newspaper of such towering figures as Yasmin Alibhai-Brown can be going under.

    Main loss from the Independent/Sunday is John Rentoul. Far more balanced than Steve Richards.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited February 2016
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?

    Is it also fair to say Thatcher "hung out with paedophiles" on the basis of her meeting Jimmy Savile a few times?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,597
    Looks like it is going to be fun in South Carolina:

    http://wfae.org/post/diverse-views-and-trick-politics-why-gop-primary-sc-may-be-dirtiest-country
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,429
    The I had a circulation of 280 000 last year compared to the Independent's 61, 000
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'm regularly surprised by the number of well heeled PBers who won't pay for news.

    I've done so since The Times went paywall, have paid for the Telegraph and Sun for a year.

    It's less than buying a paper copy. The Times is c£8 a month.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Be very surprised if he wasn't transfered or snapped up by another title.
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    taffys said:

    I fail to see how the newspaper of such towering figures as Yasmin Alibhai-Brown can be going under.

    Main loss from the Independent/Sunday is John Rentoul. Far more balanced than Steve Richards.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Dan Hodges
    Imagine if all of us tweeting about the death of the Independent had actually bought it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,257
    edited February 2016
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I blame Waitrose. Cardholders only have to spend £3.21 on groceries there and you can get a free paper.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,706
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.

    Agreed. And it does affect how one reads, I think. I get the Guardian at weekends and I do gradually read the arts sections, the philosophical ruminations, and so on, sometimes even the travel, and feelI get a more rounded picture than I do during the week, when I click on politics" and "world" and ignore everything else. In theory the internet lets us access everything. In practice it encourages us the channel to people we agree with talking about things we know we're interested in.

    FWIW, by the way, I think that the "Osborne brother struck off" stories are unfairly hyped and an example of why our media is one of the sleaziest in Europe. The legitimate public interest in relatives of well-known people is zero. Osborne's brother's difficulties must be worrying for his family. They are no concern of ours.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,127
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.

    It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massive
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,403
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    taffys said:

    I fail to see how the newspaper of such towering figures as Yasmin Alibhai-Brown can be going under.

    Main loss from the Independent/Sunday is John Rentoul. Far more balanced than Steve Richards.
    The big loss for me would be Robert Fisk. One of the very best Middle East Correspondents of my lifetime. Though I am sure he will fine work elsewhere.

    Also on a personal level my good friend Nigel Morris who I shared a house with at Uni is the Deputy Political Editor. Hoping he manages to keep his job on the E-Edition.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited February 2016
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/paris-attacks-spike-in-islamophobic-hate-crime-in-uk-following-terror-attacks-a6738641.html

    The picture above is in some senses misleading. As the article above shows, whilst the paper was feigning defiance to islamic terrorism in recent years, it was at the same time desperately searching for the racist white backlash it thought would inevitably ensue. MUST ensue.

    That isn't journalism, surely.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    totally agree. I loved it. straight news, factual, strong sports section with humour and brilliant photographs. It nailed it from the start, Then Sindy turned up with a leftie as editor (Andrew Marr or someone) and dragged down the Indy. Fools. The objective market is still there, for Christ's sake. It's what media is crying out for.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited February 2016
    SimonStClare said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!
    Not originally. When it started it was an excellent newspaper, which actually lived up to its name. It then went awry under Andrew Marr (who had been a very good political journalist, but wasn't very good as editor), and it then went completely bonkers with its front-page splashes on things like Ten Marmalades To Save The Earth.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    SimonStClare said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!
    In its early years it was a very good and broadly genuinely independent paper. It could have been a rival to The Times had that continued. Murdoch, of course, recognised that and so started a price war, from which the Indy never really recovered.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited February 2016
    Where did full colour Today go wrong? I bought that a few times but can't really remember it.

    Edit And who remembers Maxwells The European?!
    Dixie said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    totally agree. I loved it. straight news, factual, strong sports section with humour and brilliant photographs. It nailed it from the start, Then Sindy turned up with a leftie as editor (Andrew Marr or someone) and dragged down the Indy. Fools. The objective market is still there, for Christ's sake. It's what media is crying out for.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    Plato_Says said:

    Dan Hodges
    Imagine if all of us tweeting about the death of the Independent had actually bought it.

    Can he afford to lose millions of pounds a year?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,080
    MarkSenior said:

    Full result from last night's Eastleigh BC West End North byelection

    LD 582 ( 53.0% ) plus 13.1%
    Con 315 ( 28.7% ) minus 6.4%
    UKIP 115 ( 10.5% ) minus 4.9%
    Lab 58 ( 5.3% ) minus 4.3%
    Green 28 ( 2.5% ) plus 2.5%

    The other three by elections last night had UKIP down 10%, so down in all 4. The rot continues.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    And who remembers Maxwells The European?!

    Funny thing about Russian spies wanting to own papers
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Top Evil headline http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6925696/Bankruptcy-for-the-millionaire-who-paved-his-driveway-with-CHILDRENS-GRAVESTONES.html
    A MILLIONAIRE who paved the walls and driveway of his mansion with kid's gravestones has been declared bankrupt after losing a legal battle.

    Kim Davies, 61, was declared bankrupt after he lost an expensive three-year court battle with the Brecon Beacons National Park authority.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.

    It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massive
    I don't even like him particularly. I just think it's laughable to say he's a "terrorist sympathiser" on the basis of... um... he once happened to be at the same event as a particular person, and his sister happened to marry a particular person. Oh, and because he wants more Muslims to be police officers.

    I stand by that you can literally say almost ANYONE is "dodgy" if you're going to base it on such tenuous links. It's practically Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon stuff.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    edited February 2016
    Plato_Says said:

    Where did full colour Today go wrong? I bought that a few times but can't really remember it.

    Edit And who remembers Maxwells The European?!

    Dixie said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    totally agree. I loved it. straight news, factual, strong sports section with humour and brilliant photographs. It nailed it from the start, Then Sindy turned up with a leftie as editor (Andrew Marr or someone) and dragged down the Indy. Fools. The objective market is still there, for Christ's sake. It's what media is crying out for.
    They covered the Oklahoma City bomb with the headline of 'In the name of Islam'
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    BBC seemed to think so...also going to dinner with some bloke on a yatch used to be calls for a resignation.
    Don't forget the shame of crying at a funeral
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    One day, children won't know what the Indy is.
    SimonStClare said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Danny565 said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.

    It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massive
    I don't even like him particularly. I just think it's laughable to say he's a "terrorist sympathiser" on the basis of... um... he once happened to be at the same event as a particular person, and his sister happened to marry a particular person. Oh, and because he wants more Muslims to be police officers.

    I stand by that you can literally say almost ANYONE is "dodgy" if you're going to base it on such tenuous links. It's practically Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon stuff.
    The Babar Ahmed stuff is going to stick a bit, I think.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,257
    Danny565 said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.

    It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massive
    I don't even like him particularly. I just think it's laughable to say he's a "terrorist sympathiser" on the basis of... um... he once happened to be at the same event as a particular person, and his sister happened to marry a particular person. Oh, and because he wants more Muslims to be police officers.

    I stand by that you can literally say almost ANYONE is "dodgy" if you're going to base it on such tenuous links. It's practically Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon stuff.
    I am sure everybody has supported a terrorist in a personal capacity. It's what we all do these days. There is nothing tenuous about that link.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SimonStClare said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!
    Not originally. When it started it was an excellent newspaper, which actually lived up to its name. It then went awry under Andrew Marr (who had been a very good political journalist, but wasn't very good as editor), and it then went completely bonkers with its front-page spashes on things like Ten Marmalades To Save The Earth.
    It was great when it started. It was unashamedly high-brow and well-written and it forced the other broadsheets, the Times especially, to up their game.

    Watching its decline has been like seeing a once good restaurant become a KFC.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,080
    MikeSmithson said:

    I blame Waitrose. Cardholders only have to spend £3.21 on groceries there and you can get a free paper.

    Yes, but I believe it didn't include The Independent or 'I'.
    http://www.waitrose.com/content/waitrose/en/home/mywaitrose/newspaper_offer.html?wtrint=1-Content-_-2-My Account-_-3-mywaitrose_welcome-_-4-myWaitrose-_-5-mw-_-6-Newspaper
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
    "Thatcher and Savile met quite often. The file records two further public engagements in early 1981. "Jimmy Saville saw the prime minister this morning with the architect's plans for Stoke Mandeville Hospital," another report records. "

    "Scotland Yard launched a criminal investigation into allegations of child sex abuse by Savile spanning six decades,[7] describing him as a "predatory sex offender", and later stated that they were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry based on the testimony of 300 potential victims via 14 police forces across the UK."

    OMG someone launch an investigation into that paedo-sympathiser Thatcher.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,711
    Crick looks like he is on the case. Nothing he enjoys more than a bit of doorstopping :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,257
    edited February 2016
    Tarik Hassane admitted preparing what the prosecution claim could have been a drive-by shooting by sourcing a weapon and ammunition in 2014.

    The prosecution has said Hassane, from west London, might have been inspired by so-called Islamic State.

    The Old Bailey trial will continue on Monday with three other men.
    They face similar charges.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35561247

    West London again...what's the chances he knew the Jahadi John and the rest of the Beatles?
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SimonStClare said:

    runnymede said:

    If the Indy was the paper it was in 1987 it wouldn't be closing down.

    Yes. Those days seem very far off now - it's remarkable how long this second-rate rag has survived really.

    The Indie was always a very niche market and banged on about its pet peeves ad infinitum, in the end I suspect it succumbed to man-made global warming...!
    Not originally. When it started it was an excellent newspaper, which actually lived up to its name. It then went awry under Andrew Marr (who had been a very good political journalist, but wasn't very good as editor), and it then went completely bonkers with its front-page splashes on things like Ten Marmalades To Save The Earth.
    From "The Thick of It" as the Daily Mail's News Editor tries to decide what story to run with:

    "Just tell me what the fucking news is and I'll put it on the front page. It's not like we're the Independent. We can't just stick a headline saying CRUELTY then stick a picture of a dolphin or a whale underneath it."

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    NickPalmer said:

    I click on "politics" and "world" and ignore everything else.

    Senior Labour ex-backbencher ignores Britain! 'I prefer the world' says Nick Palmer'. Nick Palmer, XX, now runs a controversial global charity that lobbies to change UK policy to fit his own agenda"

    ;)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,946
    On Topic another Tory Rag folds
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
    "Thatcher and Savile met quite often. The file records two further public engagements in early 1981. "Jimmy Saville saw the prime minister this morning with the architect's plans for Stoke Mandeville Hospital," another report records. "

    "Scotland Yard launched a criminal investigation into allegations of child sex abuse by Savile spanning six decades,[7] describing him as a "predatory sex offender", and later stated that they were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry based on the testimony of 300 potential victims via 14 police forces across the UK."

    OMG someone launch an investigation into that paedo-sympathiser Thatcher.
    Thatcher isn't running for office.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,711
    @Danny565 Lynton's record of shit sticking isn't too bad so far, but getting Zac in as MOL is his biggest test yet.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,925
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Danny565 said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.

    It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massive
    I don't even like him particularly. I just think it's laughable to say he's a "terrorist sympathiser" on the basis of... um... he once happened to be at the same event as a particular person, and his sister happened to marry a particular person. Oh, and because he wants more Muslims to be police officers.

    I stand by that you can literally say almost ANYONE is "dodgy" if you're going to base it on such tenuous links. It's practically Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon stuff.
    I am sure everybody has supported a terrorist in a personal capacity. It's what we all do these days. There is nothing tenuous about that link.
    Anyone who supported the uprising in Syria (and the successful regime change in Libya) supported terrorists. Often exactly the same individuals. In the case of our politicians often material support. David Cameron has done a lot more for these people than Sadiq Khan will probably ever have the means to.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    david_herdson said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
    "Thatcher and Savile met quite often. The file records two further public engagements in early 1981. "Jimmy Saville saw the prime minister this morning with the architect's plans for Stoke Mandeville Hospital," another report records. "

    "Scotland Yard launched a criminal investigation into allegations of child sex abuse by Savile spanning six decades,[7] describing him as a "predatory sex offender", and later stated that they were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry based on the testimony of 300 potential victims via 14 police forces across the UK."

    OMG someone launch an investigation into that paedo-sympathiser Thatcher.
    Thatcher isn't running for office.
    Do you think it's fair to implicate her in Savile's crimes just because she happened to meet him a few times?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Danny565 said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    It is amazing how CAGE always seems to come up....This guy says he is was naive and now a respectable lawyer, but there are links to CAGE...and of course Babar Ahmad is in the mix.

    It doesn't matter because Thatcher had Savile over to Chequers and Jemima Goldsmith was married to Imran Khan according to the PB Sadiq massive
    I don't even like him particularly. I just think it's laughable to say he's a "terrorist sympathiser" on the basis of... um... he once happened to be at the same event as a particular person, and his sister happened to marry a particular person. Oh, and because he wants more Muslims to be police officers.

    I stand by that you can literally say almost ANYONE is "dodgy" if you're going to base it on such tenuous links. It's practically Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon stuff.
    I think it's bullshit. The question is whether it will stick if there is enough of it. Individual stories can be batted away but if it's a concerted attack I'm not sure. It goes with the "Corbyn's candidate" stuff, of course.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    I have a visceral dislike for Bercow, but why is this even a story?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35559244
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).

    With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    So who will benefit, as in pick up readers as a result?

    I suspect many will, stop buying printed news and just read online, and others will move to the 'I' but not all. I suspect that each of the Times and Guardian will pick up at least some, but not sure how many, anybody what to predict how many go each way?

    Wonder if we will see the times dropping its prise to encourage switchers that way?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,032
    Plato_Says said:

    Dan Hodges
    Imagine if all of us tweeting about the death of the Independent had actually bought it.

    reminds me of this:

    thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/why-are-all-the-pubs-closing-ask-people-who-never-go-to-the-pub-200903051623
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Famous person met famous person isn't quite the same. Is it?

    And they're both still alive.
    Danny565 said:

    david_herdson said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
    "Thatcher and Savile met quite often. The file records two further public engagements in early 1981. "Jimmy Saville saw the prime minister this morning with the architect's plans for Stoke Mandeville Hospital," another report records. "

    "Scotland Yard launched a criminal investigation into allegations of child sex abuse by Savile spanning six decades,[7] describing him as a "predatory sex offender", and later stated that they were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry based on the testimony of 300 potential victims via 14 police forces across the UK."

    OMG someone launch an investigation into that paedo-sympathiser Thatcher.
    Thatcher isn't running for office.
    Do you think it's fair to implicate her in Savile's crimes just because she happened to meet him a few times?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    bigjohnowls said:

    On Topic another Tory Rag folds

    I wonder if you would agree with the friend of mine who informed me, last year, that there were "no left wing journalists at the Guardian."
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,946
    david_herdson said:

    One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).

    With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.

    The i might get more prominence maybe?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited February 2016
    Paul Waugh
    40 Scottish Labour MPs who lost seats were 'fucking useless' - says *Labour* Shad Cabinet minister. Gift to @theSNP.
    https://t.co/Wan22Si2Ww
    Prof Cowley, who was co-author with Dennis Kavanagh of ‘The British General Election of 2015’, told students at the book’s launch this week that he got a surprising reply from the unnamed Labour MP.

    “There was an interview with a Shadow Cabinet member. This is a current, serving Shadow Cabinet member, who told us the result in Scotland had an upside.

    “This was after the election. And we naively said ‘how could it possibly have an upside?’

    “And he said - and this is a direct quote - ‘well because it’s got rid of 40 fucking useless MPs’.”

    Referring to the recent Labour analysis of why the party lost the last election, Prof Cowley joked: “You won’t find that in Margaret Beckett’s report.”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,257
    david_herdson said:

    One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).

    With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.

    I am sure the BBC will manage...also perhaps they will run some sort of psuedo Indy Front Page from the website? In all fairness, if they have a really good scoop, not one of their constant eco-bollock, they should cover it.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Shame. Everyone wants content instantly on phones and tablets.

    A breaking new story about the deceased Canadian tech giant Nortel:

    Nortern Telecom Inc is also readying a new smart phone. During keynote speeches at both the CTIA conference and Technologic Partners' Mobile Forum '[YEAR REMOVED] in San Francisco last month, General Magic, Inc. Chairman Marc Porat flashed prototypes of a Nortel smart phone, code-named Orbiter, running his company's Magic Cap operating system. The phone is slated to be outfitted with an Internet browser, which Porat described as "the killer application for a mobile machine."

    Not everyone is so sure about that, though. Tim Schmidt, principal of Encore Consulting Group, Inc. in Altamonte Springs, Fla., wondered just "how much 'Net information are you going to be able to receive [on small phone displays]."
    Guess the year before peeping at the link, folks. (Personally I love the apostrophe and capitalisation in 'Net. And I do wonder what became of Tim Schmidt... hopefully a better fate than the Orbiter, which never launched, or Nortel, which collapsed in 2009 after 114 years.)

    Warning signs had been out there for a long, long time for those who were looking.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
    Trump: 44% (+6)
    Cruz: 17% (-)
    Carson: 10% (+1)
    Rubio: 10% (-5)
    Bush: 8% (+2)
    (via MC / 10-11 Feb)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,946
    Wanderer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    On Topic another Tory Rag folds

    I wonder if you would agree with the friend of mine who informed me, last year, that there were "no left wing journalists at the Guardian."
    Not sure but Independent said vote for a Tory / LD coalition at GE 2015 so that makes it a Tory rag in my eyes.

    Plus people like John Rentoul et al are certainly not left wing journalists
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,711
    Plato_Says said:

    Paul Waugh
    40 Scottish Labour MPs who lost seats were 'fucking useless' - says *Labour* Shad Cabinet minister. Gift to @theSNP.
    https://t.co/Wan22Si2Ww

    Prof Cowley, who was co-author with Dennis Kavanagh of ‘The British General Election of 2015’, told students at the book’s launch this week that he got a surprising reply from the unnamed Labour MP.

    “There was an interview with a Shadow Cabinet member. This is a current, serving Shadow Cabinet member, who told us the result in Scotland had an upside.

    “This was after the election. And we naively said ‘how could it possibly have an upside?’

    “And he said - and this is a direct quote - ‘well because it’s got rid of 40 fucking useless MPs’.”

    Referring to the recent Labour analysis of why the party lost the last election, Prof Cowley joked: “You won’t find that in Margaret Beckett’s report.”
    Whoever said it wasn't wrong.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,035
    edited February 2016
    Danny565 said:

    david_herdson said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
    "Thatcher and Savile met quite often. The file records two further public engagements in early 1981. "Jimmy Saville saw the prime minister this morning with the architect's plans for Stoke Mandeville Hospital," another report records. "

    "Scotland Yard launched a criminal investigation into allegations of child sex abuse by Savile spanning six decades,[7] describing him as a "predatory sex offender", and later stated that they were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry based on the testimony of 300 potential victims via 14 police forces across the UK."

    OMG someone launch an investigation into that paedo-sympathiser Thatcher.
    Thatcher isn't running for office.
    Do you think it's fair to implicate her in Savile's crimes just because she happened to meet him a few times?
    No, but if she had a long history of befriending people who turned out to be paedophiles, her party leader and shadow chancellor were also friends with lots of paedophiles, and yet she was running for office on an anti-paedophile policy platform, you would agree it was a legitimate criticsm of her?
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    Isn't Mensch a Cameroon??

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/opinion/louise-mensch-britain-better-off-out-of-europe.html
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited February 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    david_herdson said:

    One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).

    With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.

    I am sure the BBC will manage...also perhaps they will run some sort of psuedo Indy Front Page from the website? In all fairness, if they have a really good scoop, not one of their constant eco-bollock, they should cover it.
    Very very occasionally I could swear I've seen the Morning Star on the newspaper review, or at least it's had its front page splashed up even if nobody discussed its contents. Suppose they could do that more often.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    Danny565 said:

    david_herdson said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Danny565 said:

    FPT:- re Khan's brother-in-law apparently having dodgy connections:

    Does that being a story mean that Osborne's brother being convicted for sleeping with a patient is now also a legitimate line of attack? Since when are people to be held accountable for their relatives' actions?

    A world of difference between hanging out with terrorists and having a sleazeball as a relative. But the BBC News made the Osborne story one of its top stories yesterday. Not noticed the Khan stories getting equal billing.
    What evidence is there that Khan "hangs out with terrorists", any more than Osborne "hangs out with sleazeballs"?
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/22/uksecurity.police?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

    "on May 21 2005 and then in June 2006. Khan applied to see Ahmad not as an MP, but as a friend, the report says."

    Babar Ahmad in 2014 pleaded guilty to "conspiracy and providing material to support to terrorism".
    "Thatcher and Savile met quite often. The file records two further public engagements in early 1981. "Jimmy Saville saw the prime minister this morning with the architect's plans for Stoke Mandeville Hospital," another report records. "

    "Scotland Yard launched a criminal investigation into allegations of child sex abuse by Savile spanning six decades,[7] describing him as a "predatory sex offender", and later stated that they were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry based on the testimony of 300 potential victims via 14 police forces across the UK."

    OMG someone launch an investigation into that paedo-sympathiser Thatcher.
    Thatcher isn't running for office.
    Do you think it's fair to implicate her in Savile's crimes just because she happened to meet him a few times?
    That depends on what - if anything - she knew or had heard. There was clearly at best a wilful turning of collective blind eyes. One would hope that there was no pressure from No 10.

    The difference with Khan is that Ahmed was already charged and arrested at the time. I can understand the case for him to have been tried and imprisoned in the UK rather than the US. It's perfectly legitimate for MPs to press for that even for convicted criminals (and in 2005, he wasn't that yet). The question about Khan's links with Ahmed are whether they went further than that at a time when there was compelling evidence to suggest he was more than a bit dodgy.
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    runnymede said:

    And who remembers Maxwells The European?!

    Funny thing about Russian spies wanting to own papers

    Maxwell was an Israeli agent, but the point about newspaper influence stands.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    bigjohnowls said:

    Wanderer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    On Topic another Tory Rag folds

    I wonder if you would agree with the friend of mine who informed me, last year, that there were "no left wing journalists at the Guardian."
    Not sure but Independent said vote for a Tory / LD coalition at GE 2015 so that makes it a Tory rag in my eyes.

    Plus people like John Rentoul et al are certainly not left wing journalists
    Is it possible for a paper to be Tory but not a rag (or a rag, but not Tory)?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    Papers do still have an influence.

    When I do a morning thread for PB, my first place to look for ideas for the thread is to look at the morning front pages.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,711
    edited February 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
    Trump: 44% (+6)
    Cruz: 17% (-)
    Carson: 10% (+1)
    Rubio: 10% (-5)
    Bush: 8% (+2)
    (via MC / 10-11 Feb)

    My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,946
    BigRich said:

    So who will benefit, as in pick up readers as a result?

    I suspect many will, stop buying printed news and just read online, and others will move to the 'I' but not all. I suspect that each of the Times and Guardian will pick up at least some, but not sure how many, anybody what to predict how many go each way?

    Wonder if we will see the times dropping its prise to encourage switchers that way?

    I think i will be main beneficiary
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    edited February 2016
    I'm not sure how the Indy owners expected people to buy it when they could get a cut down version which gave them the headlines and just enough copy to match their attention span for a cut price.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,575
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
    Trump: 44% (+6)
    Cruz: 17% (-)
    Carson: 10% (+1)
    Rubio: 10% (-5)
    Bush: 8% (+2)
    (via MC / 10-11 Feb)

    My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.
    Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    david_herdson said:

    One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).

    With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.

    I am sure the BBC will manage...also perhaps they will run some sort of psuedo Indy Front Page from the website? In all fairness, if they have a really good scoop, not one of their constant eco-bollock, they should cover it.
    Absolutely.

    Actually, the biggest bias in the Beeb is not left over right but 'broadsheet' over 'tabloid'. When was anything in the Sun last reported? It's not all tits and footie.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
    ...
    (via MC / 10-11 Feb)

    Seen as a chart - where Trump is outstanding...

    Trump: 44% (+6)
    █████████████████████████
    Cruz: 17% (-)
    █████████▌
    Carson: 10% (+1)
    █████▌
    Rubio: 10% (-5)
    █████▌
    Bush: 8% (+2)
    ████▌


    https://www.nojam.com/post/587
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,711
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Republican candidate preference (US-wide):
    Trump: 44% (+6)
    Cruz: 17% (-)
    Carson: 10% (+1)
    Rubio: 10% (-5)
    Bush: 8% (+2)
    (via MC / 10-11 Feb)

    My advice for betting on the nomination would be to make sure there is a green number next to Donald Trump on Betfair.
    Thank God for Iowans and the betting market over-reaction to the Iowa caucas.
    So you're fully out of dodge on Trump ?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    bigjohnowls said:

    david_herdson said:

    One place where there may be an impact due to the Indy's closure is in the newspaper reviews. Whether in the evening or on things like Marr, it always featured far more prominently than was proportionate for its circulation figures (I think the fact that they got a front page out early was part of that, though editorial bias can't be discounted).

    With no Independent, the reviews will inevitably tend to the right as you can't credibly fill the Indy gap with even more from the Grauniad.

    The i might get more prominence maybe?
    Probably. I do wonder whether the i's viewed a bit sniffily as being cut-price?
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