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edited August 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » PB’s Nick Palmer wins the Broxtowe nomination so he can fight to regain the seat lost at GE2010

It was back in 2004, only a few months after PB was launched, that Labour’s Nick Palmer became the first sitting MP to post on the site under his own name.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,726
    Huzzah to Nick.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,726
    Paging Roger.

    Can you please post that Australia will win the Third Test.

    I still have two days to endure.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    edited August 2013
    Glorious, honest, unbroken Nick Palmer on the up!!!!!!!

    Was the result ever in doubt!!!!!!!!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,726
    Mike, didn't opinium do a poll last week, where they over hyped their own poll?

    So the next poll should be due next week?
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,885
    Congratulations, Nick ! Well deserved.
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Well done to Nick, who was clearly Labour's best choice here, being well known and having kept in touch with the constituency since 2010.

    It raises an interesting question for the election gurus: we know that first-time incumbents typically get quite a boost, maybe up to 3% in vote share; is this reduced if they are facing a re-tread (if you pardon the expression) like Nick?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    edited August 2013
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paging Roger.

    Can you please post that Australia will win the Third Test.

    I still have two days to endure.

    I've just backed England for a tenner in the test, I can easily see a scenario where we are set 300-320 to win with 4 sessions, and whilst its still an outside chance I think there is value there at 28.0 now. A draw is no good for Australia and so Clark has to roll the dice with a 3rd innings declaration to give himself 4 sessions to bowl England out I think...
    If the scenario was reversed I wouldn't back Australia at 300-1 in the match
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23544311

    Kohl wanted half of Turks out of Germany.

    Would that have included Mesut Özil's parents, I wonder ?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,166
    Result and speeches from GE2010:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQ9_e8vuoM&amp
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Well done Nick!

    Andrea will be disappointed at the lack of placards in the picture.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    Andy_JS said:

    Result and speeches from GE2010:

    I think we're trying to forget that. ;)
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paging Roger.

    Can you please post that Australia will win the Third Test.

    I still have two days to endure.

    I've just backed England for a tenner in the test, I can easily see a scenario where we are set 300-320 to win with 4 sessions, and whilst its still an outside chance I think there is value there at 28.0 now. A draw is no good for Australia and so Clark has to roll the dice with a 3rd innings declaration to give himself 4 sessions to bowl England out I think...

    The current England team will never chase 300 to win. They would rather score 150/2 .Remember, in the last test , they built up a lead of almost 600 before declaring and many were saying 250 would have been enough. Of course, you can't declare with 250 in front but 350 for the last innings would have been more than adequate.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Well done , Nick , good news for Labour in Broxtowe .
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,726
    Broxtowe odds.

    Lab 1/3

    Con 11/4

    UKIP 33/1

    LD 100/1
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,726
    @Pulpstar.

    The weather forecast for tomorrow is meant to be dire.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Paging Roger.

    Can you please post that Australia will win the Third Test.

    I still have two days to endure.

    I've just backed England for a tenner in the test, I can easily see a scenario where we are set 300-320 to win with 4 sessions, and whilst its still an outside chance I think there is value there at 28.0 now. A draw is no good for Australia and so Clark has to roll the dice with a 3rd innings declaration to give himself 4 sessions to bowl England out I think...
    If the scenario was reversed I wouldn't back Australia at 300-1 in the match

    Four sessions will be plenty to bowl out England's exceptionally weak and spineless batting line-up. But the likelihood is that we will be asked to follow on after folding early tomorrow. We need rain. And plenty of it.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,121
    Many congratulations are in order, and good luck.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    Can Nick now be Labour's Boris to supplant Ed?

    The path to No. 10 starts today....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,726
    "On Sunday there's an 80% chance of rain after lunch, and the worst-case scenario is we get an hour's play all day. Monday looks a little better - the rain should clear away after lunch and it should be increasingly dry." From the bbc
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Nick Palmer is a gentleman and PBer.

    His success is well deserved.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Congrats Nick.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited August 2013
    N Palmer is probably a nice fella..but I hope is severely trounced in 2015.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    edited August 2013
    Nick was very kind to me with my health issue's earlier in the year (despite all the times I'd ranted and raved at him when he was an MP)

    I hope he wins Broxtowe by a landslide and sends Ms. Soubry back to the The Bar (or the Central Television studio's even)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    richardDodd said:

    N Palmer is probably a nice fella..but I hope is severly trounced in 2015.

    Shame!
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Gin 1138.. Why shame.. He represents the most appalling Political Party in the UK.. it would be hypocritical of me to wish him well at the GE ..I want to see him lose.What's shameful about that.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited August 2013
    I've already sent congrats to Nearly Headless Nick being chosen as a candidate, a couple of hours ago. However I cannot honestly hope he wins the seat as a UKIP supporter. However if UKIP cant win it then Nick deserves his chance to get re-elected.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    richardDodd said:

    Gin 1138.. Why shame.. He represents the most appalling Political Party in the UK.. it would be hypocritical of me to wish him well at the GE ..I want to see him lose.What's shameful about that.

    Sometimes you have to put politics aside and wish nice people all the best.

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    EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I like Nick as a person but as an MP he represented and defended the most appalling government since Eden or Heath. Therefore I hope Anna is re-elected with a 4 figure majority.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Good evening, everyone.

    FPT: Miss Plato, I've got to say that I really rather like SG-1. Not watched it all, but most of it. Universe was a bit hit and miss, I thought. Shame, because Carlyle's great in it.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    richardDodd said:

    Gin 1138.. Why shame.. He represents the most appalling Political Party in the UK.. it would be hypocritical of me to wish him well at the GE ..I want to see him lose.What's shameful about that.

    You could have at least congratulated him on reselection.

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Gin 1138..Grow up.. this is politics.The man is a leftie to the soles of his shoes No thanks. I congratulated the voters of Broxtowe when they had the good sense to kick him out last time, lets hope they do it again and bring his political career to an end.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    richardDodd said:

    Gin 1138..Grow up..

    Look, if JackW can still get in touch with his inner child at 114 I don't see why I can't in my mid 30's.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Congrats mr palmer,is that mike Smithson in the photo ;-) or are my eyes deceiving me.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,240
    Dramatic events this evening. Have just got back to find my street cordoned off by police, with police forensic teams further up the road and had to be personally escorted by a police officer to the house. Seems quite serious, hopefully no fatalities, but no doubt will find out in due course!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,240
    Congrats to Nick Palmer on his selection in Broxtowe, should be another fascinating contest!
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2013
    Easterross said:

    I like Nick as a person but as an MP he represented and defended the most appalling government since Eden or Heath. Therefore I hope Anna is re-elected with a 4 figure majority.

    I'll second that.

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited August 2013
    Quincel .. Read all of the posts, I did congratulate him.. I just dont want him to win.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited August 2013
    Excellent result. Well done Nick. Commons is better off with him there.

    I bet Soubry is stressed. Shame in a way, she's far from the worse Tory. She's unlucky to have an ultra marginal.

    On the bright side, Maybe there'll be a vacancy in safe Witney in short order.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,950
    Jonathan said:

    Excellent result. Well done Nick. Commons is better off with him there.

    I bet Soubry is stressed. Shame in a way, she's far from the worse Tory. She's unlucky to have an ultra marginal.

    If Nick sends her packing I'm they'll soon find her a ultra safe seat, then everyone wins. :D

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited August 2013
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Excellent result. Well done Nick. Commons is better off with him there.

    I bet Soubry is stressed. Shame in a way, she's far from the worse Tory. She's unlucky to have an ultra marginal.

    If Nick sends her packing I'm they'll soon find her a ultra safe seat, then everyone wins. :D

    Added a mischievous edit to that effect.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    GIN1138 said:

    richardDodd said:

    Gin 1138..Grow up..

    Look, if JackW can still get in touch with his inner child at 114 I don't see why I can't in my mid 30's.
    I thought he was 107... or are we talking dog years?
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 915
    Well done Nick.
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Charles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    richardDodd said:

    Gin 1138..Grow up..

    Look, if JackW can still get in touch with his inner child at 114 I don't see why I can't in my mid 30's.
    I thought he was 107... or are we talking dog years?
    Well 107 is what he puts on the census...
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,959
    richardDodd said:

    Quincel .. Read all of the posts, I did congratulate him.. I just dont want him to win.

    Was this the bit where you said he was "probably a nice fella"? Maybe we just have different ideas of what a congratulations looks like.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Quincel Obviously.. The man is a nodding leftie donkey with a red rosette.UK plc does not need any more of them
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,623
    Evening all! And congratulations to Nick on his re-selection!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,241
    richardDodd said:

    Quincel Obviously.. The man is a nodding leftie donkey with a red rosette.UK plc does not need any more of them

    We need more MPs of any flavour who are willing to come into sandpits like PB and explain their feelings on the politics of the day. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he (almost) always says it in a friendly and pleasant manner. Which is more than could be said for some of the replies he gets, myself sadly included ...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,240
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,240
    Further to my earlier comment now looks like there was a murder on my street earlier today, sadly
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    JJ ..N.Palmer is not an MP and thankfully has not been one for three years, when he comes on here he is just another PB'er
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,446
    GIN1138 said:

    If Nick sends her packing I'm they'll soon find her a ultra safe seat, then everyone wins. :D

    Anyone remember the various Tory MPs who went off on the "chicken run" for a safer seat? I do wonder if any bed blockers can be persuaded to step into the Other Place to make space for a Soubry or Wharton.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,141
    JosiasJessop said:

    richardDodd said:

    Quincel Obviously.. The man is a nodding leftie donkey with a red rosette.UK plc does not need any more of them

    We need more MPs of any flavour who are willing to come into sandpits like PB and explain their feelings on the politics of the day. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he (almost) always says it in a friendly and pleasant manner. Which is more than could be said for some of the replies he gets, myself sadly included ...
    Basic problem with politics today is that too many MP's confine themselves to the "Westminster bubble". University > SPAD > Safe (ish anyway) seat.
    Nick has a "hinterland".

    Vey welcome.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,241
    richardDodd said:

    JJ ..N.Palmer is not an MP and thankfully has not been one for three years, when he comes on here he is just another PB'er

    Yes, but as the threader states he did come on PB when he was an MP.

    I've never met NP, but he seems a perfectly personable chap on here. So I congratulate him on some success in his life. Whether I would feel fit to support him in the 2015 GE campaign would depend on whatever policies Labour comes up, how they compare with those of other parties, and how he personally reacts to them.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Mr. HYUFD, I'm sorry to hear that.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    No movement between LAB and CON in tonight's Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday CON 28% (NC) LAB 36% (NC) UKIP 18% (-2) LD 11% (+2) OGH
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Congrats to Nick. Under STV Soubry and Palmer would probably both be elected at the next election, but as it stands it looks like one of them will miss out.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Congratulations to Nick on his selection - definitely Labour's logical and sensible choice from their list; but obviously I hope he loses the vote that counts.

    I actively dislike the lefty nanny-state hectoring busybody Soubry but when compared to a representative of the party which almost bankrupted the country with its ruinous insane policies I'd certainly hold my nose and vote for her as the best of the bad options.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    Congratulations Nick. I just wish you could have become the candidate for a safer, Labour seat.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,240
    edited August 2013
    Morris Dancer - Thanks, and condolences to the victim's family, as the whole street has been cordoned off by police with forensic teams etc, think best to have a quiet night in tonight. A man is now in custody on suspicion of murder
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,667
    Congratulations Nick.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Mr. HYUFD, whilst it's obviously a terrible situation, at least they may have the culprit already.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Under STV Soubry and Palmer would probably both be elected at the next election, but as it stands it looks like one of them will miss out.

    Ah, yes, STV - the dodo election system: At last the Dodo said, 'everybody has won, and all must have prizes.'

    Nasty FPTP boo hiss


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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,240
    Morris Dancer - Indeed, that is at least something, hopefully he did not have an accomplice, but will keep windows and doors firmly bolted tonight just in case
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Tony Blair in the Observer - There is hope for the future amid the turmoil of the Middle East
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    Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    Good work Nick.
    If Labour is to win a seat in 2015, I hope it is you.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Tony Blair's political legacy will always be Iraq, but it should also be Afghanistan too.
    SeanT said:

    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair in the Observer - There is hope for the future amid the turmoil of the Middle East

    Next, Adolf Hitler writes in the Sunday Mirror: There is hope for the new state of Israel after all the recent unpleasantness in Auschwitz
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,166
    O/T:

    "Could cricket have a big future in China?"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23546528
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited August 2013
    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair's political legacy will always be Iraq, but it should also be Afghanistan too.

    SeanT said:

    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair in the Observer - There is hope for the future amid the turmoil of the Middle East

    Next, Adolf Hitler writes in the Sunday Mirror: There is hope for the new state of Israel after all the recent unpleasantness in Auschwitz
    And how he and brown left this country,economy,banks,immigration,you name it,they fcuked it uo.

    (I will give credit for N Ireland along with john major)

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    OldKingCole said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    richardDodd said:

    Quincel Obviously.. The man is a nodding leftie donkey with a red rosette.UK plc does not need any more of them

    We need more MPs of any flavour who are willing to come into sandpits like PB and explain their feelings on the politics of the day. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he (almost) always says it in a friendly and pleasant manner. Which is more than could be said for some of the replies he gets, myself sadly included ...
    Basic problem with politics today is that too many MP's confine themselves to the "Westminster bubble". University > SPAD > Safe (ish anyway) seat.
    Nick has a "hinterland".

    Vey welcome.
    Absolutely. Nick P comes on here and suffers the slings quite freely, and is always polite back. He has a proper job, and is not just another post SPAD placeman.

    I am glad he is back in the fray. Broxtowe will be an interesting seat to watch.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Miss Fitalass, Afghanistan could've turned out far better if we had kept at it and kept focused on that country instead of diverting attention and resources to Iraq.

    Cameron needs to be careful he doesn't, writ small, repeat this. The Libyan intervention, from a military perspective, was just about perfect. Syria would be very different.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Blair was in charge of Foreign policy while Brown was left with domestic issue of the economy, their combined legacy just as destructive as the deep dividing lines their personal relationship created at the heart of New Labour. And that division within the Labour party continues today.
    Tykejohnno said:

    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair's political legacy will always be Iraq, but it should also be Afghanistan too.

    SeanT said:

    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair in the Observer - There is hope for the future amid the turmoil of the Middle East

    Next, Adolf Hitler writes in the Sunday Mirror: There is hope for the new state of Israel after all the recent unpleasantness in Auschwitz
    And how he and brown left this country,economy,banks,immigration,you name it,they fcuked it uo.

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited August 2013
    SeanT said:

    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair's political legacy will always be Iraq, but it should also be Afghanistan too.

    SeanT said:

    fitalass said:

    Tony Blair in the Observer - There is hope for the future amid the turmoil of the Middle East

    Next, Adolf Hitler writes in the Sunday Mirror: There is hope for the new state of Israel after all the recent unpleasantness in Auschwitz
    The effrontery of Blair really is something to behold. Not only has he spent his years since leaving office amassing a quite mind-numbing fortune - tens of millions - he STILL believes he has something to say about Middle East Peace.

    Has no one told him? Does he not read the papers? Has he been making so much money he hasn't noticed Everything that has happened since 2003?

    Tony, YOU INVADED IRAQ ON A LIE AND NOW HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ARE DEAD, WITH NO BENEFIT TO ANYONE WHATSOEVER.

    Indeed, Iraq is tilting to a NEW civil war even as we witter away: here is TODAY's news from Iraq:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/201383183541560464.html

    And Blair thinks he can lecture us all from some position of wisdom?

    I await the BBC documentary presented by Jimmy Savile's corpse on New Forms of Childcare.

    Sean,this will make you more angry -(it's a 4 year old story)

    John 'without a shot being fired' Reid's £50,000 Iraq security job

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1111702/John-shot-fired-Reids-50-000-Iraq-security-job.html

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    GeoffM said:

    Congratulations to Nick on his selection - definitely Labour's logical and sensible choice from their list; but obviously I hope he loses the vote that counts.

    I actively dislike the lefty nanny-state hectoring busybody Soubry but when compared to a representative of the party which almost bankrupted the country with its ruinous insane policies I'd certainly hold my nose and vote for her as the best of the bad options.

    Nick's probably a bit more right-wing than Anna Soubry.

    Congrats on being reselected.

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    SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    Congratulations, Mr. Palmer. You are always polite on this board -except for your dissing of Bakewell Tart the other day.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    SeanT said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Fitalass, Afghanistan could've turned out far better if we had kept at it and kept focused on that country instead of diverting attention and resources to Iraq.

    Cameron needs to be careful he doesn't, writ small, repeat this. The Libyan intervention, from a military perspective, was just about perfect. Syria would be very different.

    There is NO WAY any western power is now going to intervene, significantly, in Syria. The rebels are helplessly envenomed by jihadism, they are accused of using poison gas themselves, they are training kids to behead Christians, blah blah blah.

    Cameron can frot himself to death hoping to be some saviour, ain't gonna happen. Obama is, bizarrely, more ruthlessly pragmatic and has already worked this out.

    I expect this war to grind to some stalemate leaving Assad as the biggest mini-king in a fractured state.
    This conflict is like Alien vs Predator.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,623
    tim said:

    How many deaths is inaction in Syria, Bosnia and Rwanda responsible for?
    Always easier to do nothing

    OK, so when are you joining the Syrian Jihadists, tim?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Apart from Survation, any other polls ?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Syria? Step back and let Allah judge the corpses.

    Frankly I'd sell weapons to both sides to speed the process up a bit, reduce civilian deaths and make some money but I realise the hand-wringers wouldn't like that.

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Personally, I quite like Anna Soubry. Nick likes her too, I think. I wish she got Ken Clarke's seat. But I don't think Tories [ in their current collective persona ] will select her in nay other constituency.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,949
    Bravo! Well done Nick.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    surbiton said:

    Personally, I quite like Anna Soubry. Nick likes her too, I think. I wish she got Ken Clarke's seat.

    Says it all, really.

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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Morris, totally agree. Cameron isn't going to repeat these mistakes for the simple reason that the legacy of Iraq and Afghanistan is just too fresh in everyone's minds. When Cameron raised the issue of aiding the rebels in Syria, he was greeted with hostile opposition from a cross party of politicians and the public alike. I doubt that any PM elected in the near future is going to be able to garner the support of the nation, never mind the consent of Parliament for putting British boots on the ground in any Foreign war. No matter how noble or necessary a cause the Government might deem it to be, their claims will now be treated with far more suspicion as a result of the dishonest behaviour of the last Labour Government.
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Fitalass, Afghanistan could've turned out far better if we had kept at it and kept focused on that country instead of diverting attention and resources to Iraq.

    Cameron needs to be careful he doesn't, writ small, repeat this. The Libyan intervention, from a military perspective, was just about perfect. Syria would be very different.

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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @tim Don't agree with you about Rwanda, and indeed, the situation in Syria has the same problem for me. It's not clear not only if you could achieve a lot but even if you could achieve anything at all.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,623
    tim said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    tim said:

    How many deaths is inaction in Syria, Bosnia and Rwanda responsible for?
    Always easier to do nothing

    OK, so when are you joining the Syrian Jihadists, tim?
    Jihadists fill a vacuum, Abu Hamza in Bosnia was Hurds child.
    I guess you feel so strongly about Syria that you would have already joined them.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Cruddas does a Bone:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10220838/Peter-Cruddas-I-was-stitched-up...-my-wife-says-dont-touch-the-Tory-party-with-a-barge-pole.html
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    tim said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    tim said:

    How many deaths is inaction in Syria, Bosnia and Rwanda responsible for?
    Always easier to do nothing

    OK, so when are you joining the Syrian Jihadists, tim?
    Jihadists fill a vacuum, Abu Hamza in Bosnia was Hurds child.
    I guess you feel so strongly about Syria that you would have already joined them.
    Crusader tim should get himself a tin hat and a rifle and then hurry off to fight for the FSA in Syria.
    After all it's always easier to do nothing.

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,166
    edited August 2013
    If Ken stands down in Rushcliffe, maybe Anna Soubry might be granted special permission to move across there? Her chances in Broxtowe are not much better than squiddly doo, after all.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,031
    Mr. T, when the civil uprising had just ended and the war just begun one news organisation (maybe Sky) had a piece with a Christian leader who was worried that, whilst Assad isn't super and cuddly, that if he were overthrown Christians would end up being persecuted.

    As Mr. Fear said, it's Alien Versus Predator.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Childcare voucher announcement Monday:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10220898/Families-with-two-working-parents-will-be-offered-Government-help-with-childcare.html
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Obama and Cameron have a more urgent need to respond to the current security threat in the Middle East.

    With 'Al Quaeda' prisoner breakouts, the disintegration of all order in the Yemen, the withdrawal of diplomatic missions and clearly identified threats to western civil and state assets, the late summer is full of clear and present danger.

    Would be interesting to hear from Y0kel on what is being whispered amongst those in the know.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,623
    SeanT said:

    tim said:

    How many deaths is inaction in Syria, Bosnia and Rwanda responsible for?
    Always easier to do nothing

    No one's stopping you from volunteering for the Free Syrian Army, tim. Go on, finally change your y-fronts, emerge blinking from your Wirral basement, and get a flight to Damascus (hint: it's even further away than Stockport), then Do Your Thang.

    I'm sure the jihadists would welcome the help of a failed, faintly bewildered, middle aged wine-merchant from Liverpool as they try to ethnically cleanse Christians from the country with torture and kidnapping.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10218869/Syrian-Christian-towns-emptied-by-sectarian-violence.html

    Not just Christians, but seems the Kurds too:

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-30/world/40887357_1_raqqa-kurdish-gunmen-hassakeh
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @Carola

    It's a mystery why the Tories havent reached out to him. Given the opportunity to say something on Newsnight the ultra-reliable Michael Fallon passed it up.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Neil said:

    @Carola

    It's a mystery why the Tories havent reached out to him. Given the opportunity to say something on Newsnight the ultra-reliable Michael Fallon passed it up.

    Yep. Makes no sense to me.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,543
    So Jim Messina. He spent $1bn to model and target a country of 300m people. That would be about $200m for the UK, something like £130m. Putting aside details like campaigning spending limits how does that work?

    He will have a maximum of about 1/3 of that, probably 1/4. Given that the quality of the results depends on the quality of the data that seems a problem. I suppose he could focus entirely on the "battleground" of 150 seats that might change hands, including, no doubt Broxtowe. But what does he do with the info? In the US he would have used it to tailor advertising, TV and radio slots to control the local narrative and develop it in a way that was thought likely to produce the best results. Here? Well, he can have letters about topics thought to be of interest I suppose.

    The Democrats also have a vibrant membership that could no doubt produce lots and lots of local data and polling information for many, many voters over a series of elections. The tories? Not so much.

    It will be very interesting to see how effective he can be. If he gets the tories to priortise on building their branch networks and polling returns that would certainly be useful. But the old saying is rubbish in, rubbish out. We shall see.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    'Revealed: What Lynton Crosby really thinks of the government's "anti immigrant van" scheme. Tomorrow's ST. He's not happy...'

    'Crosby's "below the radar" strategy to attack UKIP revealed after details leak of his private meeting with PR company...' oakeshott
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited August 2013
    Why would Anna Soubry want to do that after passionately investing so much time and effort into the current seat she holds? I took the local chatter of Labour supporters keen to talk up the idea that she might try to go after the Rushcliffe nomination as wishful thinking on their part rather than any serious intent on hers to be honest. She should take it as a compliment that they were so desperate to see the back of her they didn't want her to hang around and fight the contest in Broxtowe. Anyhoos, she shot that Labour fox by being successfully re-selected in Broxtowe.
    Andy_JS said:

    If Ken stands down in Rushcliffe, maybe Anna Soubry might be granted special permission to move across there? Her chances in Broxtowe are not much better than squiddly doo, after all.

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,166
    "Lib Dem president Tim Farron warns fracking could harm countryside 'for decades'

    A new political row has broken out over the Coalition’s support for shale gas fracking, with a high-ranking Liberal Democrat warning that the process risks “damaging the countryside” for decades."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/10220853/Lib-Dem-president-Tim-Farron-warns-fracking-could-harm-countryside-for-decades.html
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Neil said:

    @Carola

    It's a mystery why the Tories havent reached out to him. Given the opportunity to say something on Newsnight the ultra-reliable Michael Fallon passed it up.

    Neil,do you remember we had a conversation during the London Olympics about how I thought british swimmers were crap ;-)

    Well they still crap ;-) as anyone watched our embarrassment of a team.

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