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kle4 said:

Wanderer said:

Trying to find a tasteful way to express my excitement at the prospect of a Rochdale by-election. Posting "fuck yeah!" under the Mail's front page doesn't seem to be it.

I see Danscuk is already down as an Independent on the wiki page of the constituency.

As for tempering excitement - Lab majority 12000+.

dr_spyn said:

If Dancuzk became an Independent, then resigned, who would move the writ for a by-election?

Scott_P said:

@PickardJE: Farage fears he was victim of assassination attempt after his car was sabotaged causing a terrifying motorway crash. https://t.co/LPe97RDtAP

Scott_P said:

@PickardJE: Farage fears he was victim of assassination attempt after his car was sabotaged causing a terrifying motorway crash. https://t.co/LPe97RDtAP

Scott_P said:

@PickardJE: Farage fears he was victim of assassination attempt after his car was sabotaged causing a terrifying motorway crash. https://t.co/LPe97RDtAP

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_P said:

@PickardJE: Farage fears he was victim of assassination attempt after his car was sabotaged causing a terrifying motorway crash. https://t.co/LPe97RDtAP

Blimey.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_P said:

@PickardJE: Farage fears he was victim of assassination attempt after his car was sabotaged causing a terrifying motorway crash. https://t.co/LPe97RDtAP

Blimey.

MP_SE said:

Hmm, I wonder how this will play out.

https://twitter.com/KarenDanczuk/status/683343550805880832

FrancisUrquhart said:

MP_SE said:

Hmm, I wonder how this will play out.

https://twitter.com/KarenDanczuk/status/683343550805880832

Remember the UKIP Bird story....

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scott_P said:

@PickardJE: Farage fears he was victim of assassination attempt after his car was sabotaged causing a terrifying motorway crash. https://t.co/LPe97RDtAP

F##king Hell.

MP_SE said:

kle4 said:

PollyVinyl said:

If you listen carefully, you can just hear the sound of John Bickley researching Rochdale sports teams, and looking up the names of Council estates he grew up on.

TheScreamingEagles said:

htps://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683401661809881088

Brilliant. I hope there's an election leaflet out there somewhere which has quotes like 'I have always fought hard for [insert name of community], and achieved success with [insert local party success here]' on it - across all our parties, someone must have slipped up like that at some point.

The chairman of UKIP, John Whittaker, is meant to have contested eight constituencies at the 2005 general election. Rochdale was one of them. Would be amusing if he had used a default election leaflet with just the name of the constituency changed on each of them.

Richard_Tyndall said:

MP_SE said:

kle4 said:

PollyVinyl said:

If you listen carefully, you can just hear the sound of John Bickley researching Rochdale sports teams, and looking up the names of Council estates he grew up on.

TheScreamingEagles said:

htps://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683401661809881088

Brilliant. I hope there's an election leaflet out there somewhere which has quotes like 'I have always fought hard for [insert name of community], and achieved success with [insert local party success here]' on it - across all our parties, someone must have slipped up like that at some point.

The chairman of UKIP, John Whittaker, is meant to have contested eight constituencies at the 2005 general election. Rochdale was one of them. Would be amusing if he had used a default election leaflet with just the name of the constituency changed on each of them.

Is that not illegal?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

MP_SE said:

kle4 said:

PollyVinyl said:

If you listen carefully, you can just hear the sound of John Bickley researching Rochdale sports teams, and looking up the names of Council estates he grew up on.

TheScreamingEagles said:

htps://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683401661809881088

Brilliant. I hope there's an election leaflet out there somewhere which has quotes like 'I have always fought hard for [insert name of community], and achieved success with [insert local party success here]' on it - across all our parties, someone must have slipped up like that at some point.

The chairman of UKIP, John Whittaker, is meant to have contested eight constituencies at the 2005 general election. Rochdale was one of them. Would be amusing if he had used a default election leaflet with just the name of the constituency changed on each of them.

Is that not illegal?

No, you can stand in as many seats as you wish, but you can be MP for only one seat. So had he won all 10, he would choose which seat he would represent, and there'd be by elections in the other 9

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

MP_SE said:

kle4 said:

PollyVinyl said:

If you listen carefully, you can just hear the sound of John Bickley researching Rochdale sports teams, and looking up the names of Council estates he grew up on.

TheScreamingEagles said:

htps://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683401661809881088

Brilliant. I hope there's an election leaflet out there somewhere which has quotes like 'I have always fought hard for [insert name of community], and achieved success with [insert local party success here]' on it - across all our parties, someone must have slipped up like that at some point.

The chairman of UKIP, John Whittaker, is meant to have contested eight constituencies at the 2005 general election. Rochdale was one of them. Would be amusing if he had used a default election leaflet with just the name of the constituency changed on each of them.

Is that not illegal?

No, you can stand in as many seats as you wish, but you can be MP for only one seat. So had he won all 10, he would choose which seat he would represent, and there'd be by elections in the other 9

Maybe I should have said 'That should be illegal'. It kind of brings the whole system into disrepute.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Full disclosure about Emily Thornberry, I once met Lady Nugee (that's her posh name) and she's an intelligent, perceptive Lady.

She does a fantastic job of pretending the opposite.

foxinsoxuk said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

...There is a yearning for a counter-narative, a coherent critique of all of the problems of the shallow materialist consumerism of liberal capitalism. Ours is a society that has sold our birthright of enlightenment values very cheaply.

I like shallow materialist consumerism. You get iPads for Christmas.

Shallow materialism is undoubtably popular, but we cannot live on bread alone.

foxinsoxuk said:

There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism

Yes. Burning gays to death. Remind me again what's wrong with capitalism?

So why is Islamism so popular with disaffected youth? The two convicted this week were not devout pious Muslims. There is a craving out there for the Ummah. The universal brotherhood, the support of fellow believers, the desire to serve. There is a desire for something to believe in that is intrinsic to the human condition, and Islamism allows that off the shelf. Of course Islamism is offensive and barbaric, and I have condemned it many times here, but we do need to understand its appeal if we are to defeat it.

foxinsoxuk said:

For at least a decade before the collapse of the Soviet Union its rotten state was clear. There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism, and much the same with environmentalism and greenism.

So, Labour now falls into the same set as Islamism, environmentalism and greenism?

Labour shares the same desire for an alternative world. All 3 philosphies share an enemy, just as the British Empire, USA and Soviet Union in WW2. It does not mean that they are the same thing. Some on the Left make the same mistake as yourself though, hence some on the Left like Corbyn expressing support for "friends" like Hamas.

Malmesbury said:

foxinsoxuk said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

...There is a yearning for a counter-narative, a coherent critique of all of the problems of the shallow materialist consumerism of liberal capitalism. Ours is a society that has sold our birthright of enlightenment values very cheaply.

I like shallow materialist consumerism. You get iPads for Christmas.

Shallow materialism is undoubtably popular, but we cannot live on bread alone.

foxinsoxuk said:

There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism

Yes. Burning gays to death. Remind me again what's wrong with capitalism?

So why is Islamism so popular with disaffected youth? The two convicted this week were not devout pious Muslims. There is a craving out there for the Ummah. The universal brotherhood, the support of fellow believers, the desire to serve. There is a desire for something to believe in that is intrinsic to the human condition, and Islamism allows that off the shelf. Of course Islamism is offensive and barbaric, and I have condemned it many times here, but we do need to understand its appeal if we are to defeat it.

foxinsoxuk said:

For at least a decade before the collapse of the Soviet Union its rotten state was clear. There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism, and much the same with environmentalism and greenism.

So, Labour now falls into the same set as Islamism, environmentalism and greenism?

Labour shares the same desire for an alternative world. All 3 philosphies share an enemy, just as the British Empire, USA and Soviet Union in WW2. It does not mean that they are the same thing. Some on the Left make the same mistake as yourself though, hence some on the Left like Corbyn expressing support for "friends" like Hamas.

So it goes - just like the those who spied for Stalin wanting a more "spiritual world"....

foxinsoxuk said:

Malmesbury said:

foxinsoxuk said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

...There is a yearning for a counter-narative, a coherent critique of all of the problems of the shallow materialist consumerism of liberal capitalism. Ours is a society that has sold our birthright of enlightenment values very cheaply.

I like shallow materialist consumerism. You get iPads for Christmas.

Shallow materialism is undoubtably popular, but we cannot live on bread alone.

foxinsoxuk said:

There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism

Yes. Burning gays to death. Remind me again what's wrong with capitalism?

So why is Islamism so popular with disaffected youth? The two convicted this week were not devout pious Muslims. There is a craving out there for the Ummah. The universal brotherhood, the support of fellow believers, the desire to serve. There is a desire for something to believe in that is intrinsic to the human condition, and Islamism allows that off the shelf. Of course Islamism is offensive and barbaric, and I have condemned it many times here, but we do need to understand its appeal if we are to defeat it.

foxinsoxuk said:

For at least a decade before the collapse of the Soviet Union its rotten state was clear. There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism, and much the same with environmentalism and greenism.

So, Labour now falls into the same set as Islamism, environmentalism and greenism?

Labour shares the same desire for an alternative world. All 3 philosphies share an enemy, just as the British Empire, USA and Soviet Union in WW2. It does not mean that they are the same thing. Some on the Left make the same mistake as yourself though, hence some on the Left like Corbyn expressing support for "friends" like Hamas.

So it goes - just like the those who spied for Stalin wanting a more "spiritual world"....

Thats right. Kim Philby genuinely believed he was working for a better world.

HurstLlama said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Malmesbury said:

foxinsoxuk said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

...There is a yearning for a counter-narative, a coherent critique of all of the problems of the shallow materialist consumerism of liberal capitalism. Ours is a society that has sold our birthright of enlightenment values very cheaply.

I like shallow materialist consumerism. You get iPads for Christmas.

Shallow materialism is undoubtably popular, but we cannot live on bread alone.

foxinsoxuk said:

There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism

Yes. Burning gays to death. Remind me again what's wrong with capitalism?

So why is Islamism so popular with disaffected youth? The two convicted this week were not devout pious Muslims. There is a craving out there for the Ummah. The universal brotherhood, the support of fellow believers, the desire to serve. There is a desire for something to believe in that is intrinsic to the human condition, and Islamism allows that off the shelf. Of course Islamism is offensive and barbaric, and I have condemned it many times here, but we do need to understand its appeal if we are to defeat it.

foxinsoxuk said:

For at least a decade before the collapse of the Soviet Union its rotten state was clear. There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism, and much the same with environmentalism and greenism.

So, Labour now falls into the same set as Islamism, environmentalism and greenism?

Labour shares the same desire for an alternative world. All 3 philosphies share an enemy, just as the British Empire, USA and Soviet Union in WW2. It does not mean that they are the same thing. Some on the Left make the same mistake as yourself though, hence some on the Left like Corbyn expressing support for "friends" like Hamas.

So it goes - just like the those who spied for Stalin wanting a more "spiritual world"....

Thats right. Kim Philby genuinely believed he was working for a better world.

How do you know that?

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683426399458357248

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683426399458357248

I like the idea of Eurosceptic big breasts.

Then I re-read it.

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Malmesbury said:

foxinsoxuk said:

viewcode said:

foxinsoxuk said:

...There is a yearning for a counter-narative, a coherent critique of all of the problems of the shallow materialist consumerism of liberal capitalism. Ours is a society that has sold our birthright of enlightenment values very cheaply.

I like shallow materialist consumerism. You get iPads for Christmas.

Shallow materialism is undoubtably popular, but we cannot live on bread alone.

foxinsoxuk said:

There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism

Yes. Burning gays to death. Remind me again what's wrong with capitalism?

So why is Islamism so popular with disaffected youth? The two convicted this week were not devout pious Muslims. There is a craving out there for the Ummah. The universal brotherhood, the support of fellow believers, the desire to serve. There is a desire for something to believe in that is intrinsic to the human condition, and Islamism allows that off the shelf. Of course Islamism is offensive and barbaric, and I have condemned it many times here, but we do need to understand its appeal if we are to defeat it.

foxinsoxuk said:

For at least a decade before the collapse of the Soviet Union its rotten state was clear. There is a tendency in Islamism to find a set of counter values opposite to mercenary capitalism, and much the same with environmentalism and greenism.

So, Labour now falls into the same set as Islamism, environmentalism and greenism?

Labour shares the same desire for an alternative world. All 3 philosphies share an enemy, just as the British Empire, USA and Soviet Union in WW2. It does not mean that they are the same thing. Some on the Left make the same mistake as yourself though, hence some on the Left like Corbyn expressing support for "friends" like Hamas.

So it goes - just like the those who spied for Stalin wanting a more "spiritual world"....

Thats right. Kim Philby genuinely believed he was working for a better world.

How do you know that?

It was in his autobiography

TheScreamingEagles said:

*contemplating writing about Eunuch orgies in the morning thread*

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

Is that all? The man was not only liar but he lived and breathed lying, he was prepared and did betray people who thought were his friends, but because he said something nice about himself we are expected to believe it?

It was a frank autobiography. He was self critical, quite critical of the Soviet Union in the book too, rather the leaders.

The reality of Communism wasn't quite what he expecting.

I know it is hard to take Stanley at face value, but I believed him.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683434445806899200

LOL. Tell me that is a spoof.

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

Is that all? The man was not only liar but he lived and breathed lying, he was prepared and did betray people who thought were his friends, but because he said something nice about himself we are expected to believe it?

It was a frank autobiography. He was self critical, quite critical of the Soviet Union in the book too, rather the leaders.

The reality of Communism wasn't quite what he expecting.

I know it is hard to take Stanley at face value, but I believed him.

I seem to recall that his last wife Rufina(?) said that in the 1980s he saw that Communism wasn't quite what he expected. From the 1930s he felt it was the future but became disillusioned in his latter years.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683434445806899200

LOL. Tell me that is a spoof.

HurstLlama said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

Is that all? The man was not only liar but he lived and breathed lying, he was prepared and did betray people who thought were his friends, but because he said something nice about himself we are expected to believe it?

It was a frank autobiography. He was self critical, quite critical of the Soviet Union in the book too, rather the leaders.

The reality of Communism wasn't quite what he expecting.

I know it is hard to take Stanley at face value, but I believed him.

I seem to recall that his last wife Rufina(?) said that in the 1980s he saw that Communism wasn't quite what he expected. From the 1930s he felt it was the future but became disillusioned in his latter years.

He saw in the 1980s that Communism wasn't quite what he expected? What utter piffle! The bastard had been living in Moscow since 1963 and the horrors of the twenties and thirties were well enough published long before that.

Maybe in the few years before he died he actually opened his mind to the evidence that had been before him for nearly fifty years and maybe he realised the error of his ways - hence his ghastly "I did it because I wanted a better world" nonsense.

Philby was by any criteria a nasty, self-centred, lying, shit of the first water. I hope there is a hell because the bastard should be burning in it (along with people who kill whales and those who are cruel to animals).

HurstLlama said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

Is that all? The man was not only liar but he lived and breathed lying, he was prepared and did betray people who thought were his friends, but because he said something nice about himself we are expected to believe it?

It was a frank autobiography. He was self critical, quite critical of the Soviet Union in the book too, rather the leaders.

The reality of Communism wasn't quite what he expecting.

I know it is hard to take Stanley at face value, but I believed him.

I seem to recall that his last wife Rufina(?) said that in the 1980s he saw that Communism wasn't quite what he expected. From the 1930s he felt it was the future but became disillusioned in his latter years.

He saw in the 1980s that Communism wasn't quite what he expected? What utter piffle! The bastard had been living in Moscow since 1963 and the horrors of the twenties and thirties were well enough published long before that.

Maybe in the few years before he died he actually opened his mind to the evidence that had been before him for nearly fifty years and maybe he realised the error of his ways - hence his ghastly "I did it because I wanted a better world" nonsense.

Philby was by any criteria a nasty, self-centred, lying, shit of the first water. I hope there is a hell because the bastard should be burning in it (along with people who kill whales and those who are cruel to animals).

MP_SE said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/683434445806899200

LOL. Tell me that is a spoof.

I assumed with a name like Grover Norquist it had to be a spoof account. Turns out he is a legitimate person.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

Is that all? The man was not only liar but he lived and breathed lying, he was prepared and did betray people who thought were his friends, but because he said something nice about himself we are expected to believe it?

It was a frank autobiography. He was self critical, quite critical of the Soviet Union in the book too, rather the leaders.

The reality of Communism wasn't quite what he expecting.

I know it is hard to take Stanley at face value, but I believed him.

Does your lawyering still involve criminal work? I only ask because if you are prepared to believe Philby you must be prepared to believe anyone, and that to a lawyer in criminal practice must be a very useful trait.

Well I'm an optimist, I like to see the good in all people.

Except Mark Reckless, now that really was a case of unspeakable, unforgivable, treacherous defection, when he left the Tory Party for UKIP

Good answer, Mr. Eagles, it made me laugh.

P.S. On the Heffer article front, did you actually read it? What ever you may think of Heffer, and who doesn't, Cameron wearing the right wellies so as not to appear too posh does rather show a side of the man that lots of people like to overlook.

No I didn't read it fully, I'm hastily writing a new morning thread, and may have allowed my prejudice of Simon Heffer to pre-empt what I thought the Heffer piece might have said based on Kle4 precis

Oh there's plenty of truth to Cameron being worried about appearing posh and the wellies incident typifies that - much was said by most pre GE about people preferring posh people comfortable in their own skin like Boris, than those seemingly embarrassed about it like Cameron. I was struck by the timing and how, in general, it's out of sync with the Cameron narrative since the GE. I did not mean to mislead, I hope. though in my defence it was the title I thought most interesting.

Good night.

HurstLlama said:

Malmesbury said:

HurstLlama said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

HurstLlama said:

Is that all? The man was not only liar but he lived and breathed lying, he was prepared and did betray people who thought were his friends, but because he said something nice about himself we are expected to believe it?

It was a frank autobiography. He was self critical, quite critical of the Soviet Union in the book too, rather the leaders.

The reality of Communism wasn't quite what he expecting.

I know it is hard to take Stanley at face value, but I believed him.

I seem to recall that his last wife Rufina(?) said that in the 1980s he saw that Communism wasn't quite what he expected. From the 1930s he felt it was the future but became disillusioned in his latter years.

He saw in the 1980s that Communism wasn't quite what he expected? What utter piffle! The bastard had been living in Moscow since 1963 and the horrors of the twenties and thirties were well enough published long before that.

Maybe in the few years before he died he actually opened his mind to the evidence that had been before him for nearly fifty years and maybe he realised the error of his ways - hence his ghastly "I did it because I wanted a better world" nonsense.

Philby was by any criteria a nasty, self-centred, lying, shit of the first water. I hope there is a hell because the bastard should be burning in it (along with people who kill whales and those who are cruel to animals).

That kind of self centered I-am-acting-for-the-good-of-the-souls-of-the-people was the common excuse for his kind of scum bag.

Many years ago, I was at the home of Oxford academic - life paid for by the college, including his travel, nice home full of books, great pension etc. So this 80 something arsehole lectured about how the fall of the Berlin Wall was the greatest sorrow of his life - that young people had abandoned the great dream... for American music etc.

At that point I told the story, as savagely as I could of my relative, the train, the soviet soldier and the piece of broken metal. I enjoyed the horror on his face.

Well done, Mr. Malmesbury! The term "Champagne Socialist" doesn't really do justice to those privileged individuals who live a very comfortable life beyond the dreams of most people and entirely paid for by the capitalists of past and present yet argue that the very system that sustains them is wrong, evil and should be replaced by one that really is wrong and, produces, evil.

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the Tory Party’s rising stars has revealed how he is living on a boat in east London while attending Parliament to avoid “obscene” house prices in the capital.

Johnny Mercer, a former soldier in Afghanistan elected in May, decided to bring his boat up from the South coast and moor it near Canada Water rather than rent a flat.

The set-up sees the 34-year-old survive without central heating or a shower but he says he prefers the reminder of family life to a hotel room.

The choice will see the Plymouth Moor View MP claim just £2,400 a year in expenses for accommodation – far less than the £23,000 politicians with children are entitled to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/12062383/Tory-MP-sleeps-on-boat-in-east-London-to-avoid-obscene-house-prices-in-capital.html

I am sure the Mirror headline to this news will be, Bloody Tories and their boats ;-)

FrancisUrquhart said:

One of the Tory Party’s rising stars has revealed how he is living on a boat in east London while attending Parliament to avoid “obscene” house prices in the capital.

Johnny Mercer, a former soldier in Afghanistan elected in May, decided to bring his boat up from the South coast and moor it near Canada Water rather than rent a flat.

The set-up sees the 34-year-old survive without central heating or a shower but he says he prefers the reminder of family life to a hotel room.

The choice will see the Plymouth Moor View MP claim just £2,400 a year in expenses for accommodation – far less than the £23,000 politicians with children are entitled to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/12062383/Tory-MP-sleeps-on-boat-in-east-London-to-avoid-obscene-house-prices-in-capital.html

I am sure the Mirror headline to this news will be, Bloody Tories and their boats ;-)