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Based on what happened in the Phil Woolas case in 2010 the Speaker might delay calling a vacancy in the constituency pending the possibility of an appeal.
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First, but since I'm in SE Asia, could be regarded as cheating. As a LD-inclined voter, probably the best result would be in Carmichael won his case and retired at the next election. He does seem to be an embarrassment!0
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Second! Been dealing with tin-foil shortage among Nats (something to do with sub-$40 oil, or the Forth Bridge closure)
Funny how the biggest infrastructure imbroglio in a generation is getting little coverage in the National.....
I expect the Nats will react in the calm, measured reflective style we have come to know and love if the case goes against them......0 -
My instinct, understanding and hope are that he will win. It's not clear that his misdemeanour can be related to his victory in O&S. But it only takes the judge to be convinced by any one small part of the complex argument for the result to be overturned, so I'm becoming more pessimistic.0
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If there is a by-election, will Old Etonian and former Labour (twice) and LibDem (once) PPC Danus Skene be the SNP candidate again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danus_Skene0 -
Awkward.....
He has accused “posh boy” David Cameron of running away from a debate with First Minister and leader of the SNP Nicola Sturgeon.
Over the years Alex Salmond has made no secret of the fact he thinks politicians like the prime minister who attended Eton College were out of touch with ordinary people.
Shortly after the 2010 general election, which saw the birth of a Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition, he told the Conservative leader: “Do not let the people suffer for attitudes forged on the playing fields of Eton.”.......
Mr Skene said: “I did go to Eton 50 years ago and to be honest I have forgotten all about that.
“I am quite happy for people to judge me for things I have said and done since the age of 18 because I am not responsible for where I went to school.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/westminster/general-election/572371/snp-candidate-attended-school-david-cameron/
I am not responsible for where I went to school.......But David Cameron is.....0 -
Me too, and I still lostOldKingCole said:First, but since I'm in SE Asia, could be regarded as cheating. As a LD-inclined voter, probably the best result would be in Carmichael won his case and retired at the next election. He does seem to be an embarrassment!
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Are you sure you're not a "single (but multiple people) Tory sock-puppet in need of some sleep" © scotslass ?RobD said:
Me too, and I still lostOldKingCole said:First, but since I'm in SE Asia, could be regarded as cheating. As a LD-inclined voter, probably the best result would be in Carmichael won his case and retired at the next election. He does seem to be an embarrassment!
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Sadly some of the comments are misinformed. It is not the SNP who raised the action but four local constituents who are not members of the SNP.0
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Welcome to PB Iain......Iain said:Sadly some of the comments are misinformed. It is not the SNP who raised the action but four local constituents who are not members of the SNP.
The SNP’s deputy leader, Stewart Hosie, turned up the pressure on Saturday by calling for Carmichael to step down and demanded a full investigation by the parliamentary commissioner for standards, Kathryn Hudson.
Hosie said: “Mr Carmichael has no credibility in continuing as an MP and in my opinion he should stand down.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/23/alistair-carmichael-liberal-democrats-byelection-threat-leak-snp-sturgeon0 -
i don't much care who you are (any of youCarlottaVance said:
Are you sure you're not a "single (but multiple people) Tory sock-puppet in need of some sleep" © scotslass ?RobD said:
Me too, and I still lostOldKingCole said:First, but since I'm in SE Asia, could be regarded as cheating. As a LD-inclined voter, probably the best result would be in Carmichael won his case and retired at the next election. He does seem to be an embarrassment!
) but this argument in an empty room business is getting to be a bit humdrum 0 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3351950/Actors-pompous-dig-Sherlock-Dr-Watson.html
Self-awareness seriously lacking...0 -
Trump's 'Keep Out the Muslims' - the only terrorist it would have stopped post 9/11 was a Brit on Visa-waiver:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/25/us/us-muslim-extremists-terrorist-attacks.html0 -
I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders. Although I know some people who would LOKE to forget!
RobD are you anywhere near Bangkok? Here for another 3 weeks or so, although going down to the coast around Christmas/New Year!0 -
A charity which has helped two key witnesses in the VIP child sex abuse investigation has lost NHS funding amid concerns over its use of a controversial therapy which can generate false memories.
The Lantern Project was stripped of financial support after fears were raised over its governance, counselling techniques and use of unqualified staff.
The move raises further questions about the judgment of Labour deputy leader Tom Watson, who championed two alleged victims of VIP abuse helped by the charity.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3351986/VIP-child-sex-charity-loses-NHS-funds-concerns-controversial-therapy-use-cause-false-memories.html0 -
If this action succeeds, it will open a can of worms to the future micro-scrutiny of every candidate's every statement in every future election, and lengthy arguments about every exaggeration or spin (let alone outright lies). Nicola Sturgeon was not a candidate in O& S, so the legal argument in this case is somewhat convoluted and tenuous. If I were the government, I would consider revising the law to prevent this becoming commonplace.0
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The candidate is 71, I wonder if he's forgotten standing for Labour (40 years ago) and the Lib Dems too (35 years ago)?OldKingCole said:I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders.
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Yes - in the Woolas & Grell cases (both Labour, incidentally) the false statements were made about their opponent in that election.JohnLoony said:Nicola Sturgeon was not a candidate in O& S, so the legal argument in this case is somewhat convoluted and tenuous.
If it does succeed it will be pretty much open season on politicians - how many Labour politicians have not said something intemperate about Thatcher, or Conservatives Miliband (or his father...)
Brave (possibly in the Sir Humphrey sense) of the petitioners to bring it - if they fail, lets hope those who generously funded them thus far continue to do so.0 -
Presumably liberals or SDP?CarlottaVance said:
The candidate is 71, I wonder if he's forgotten standing for Labour (40 years ago) and the Lib Dems too (35 years ago)?OldKingCole said:I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders.
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To be pedantic did the Lib Dems exist 35 years ago?CarlottaVance said:
The candidate is 71, I wonder if he's forgotten standing for Labour (40 years ago) and the Lib Dems too (35 years ago)?OldKingCole said:I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders.
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O/T but tangential to the utterings of JC
This documentary about Albania was quite interesting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p039tg2y
(Though the presenter {possibly editor} was clearly quite dippy as she thought that 8 hours listening to the works of E.Hoxha was horrific, but didn't pass comment on forced, dangerous labour in the mines at the same prison camp)0 -
Quite right - Liberals - though he soldiered on with the Lib Dems too - with them for over a quarter of a century.....he's only been in the SNP for 8 years....bit longer than he was Labour....dugarbandier said:
Presumably liberals or SDP?CarlottaVance said:
The candidate is 71, I wonder if he's forgotten standing for Labour (40 years ago) and the Lib Dems too (35 years ago)?OldKingCole said:I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders.
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I recently came across an article in some lefty magazine which argued, fairly persuasively and reasonably, that Enver Hoxha's Albania was the country which stayed closest to standard Marxist-Leninist orthdoxy. Among other things, it suggested that North Korea under Juche-Songun is more akin to the various Arab & African Ba'athist/ socialist / nationalist régimes than Marxism.
On "This Week" the other week, AndreW Neil revealed himself to be a degenerate bourgeois revisionist by referring to Enver Hoxha as "Enver Hoksa".0 -
“The bourgeois and revisionist concept of life, putting money, pleasure, comfort, luxury, personal ease and well-being above everything, is alien to our people. The consequences of such a concept have become catastrophic in the countries ruled by the revisionists. Political degeneration, moral corruption, running after money and material gain, selfishness and frenzied individualism, the bourgeois way of life and fashion, and hooliganism are what characterise the life of these countries today, a life which is almost indistinguishable from that of western capitalist countries”.
“The portentous advice and methods of the conceited intellectual who is divorced from life, from practice, are sterile; they produce nothing, neither bread nor boots, nor butter, neither meat nor houses. Such an intellectual displays nothing but his unhealthy intellectualism, the great deficiency above all in his ideological formation with our Marxist-Leninist world outlook, as a result of which he does not know why he works and whom he should serve. Therefore, if the working class want to help such an intellectual, in order to correct him and educate him, they should put him to work together with them so that he gets up to his elbows in oil, mud and manure. What is important is the fact that this dirt cleans the stains of the past from the consciousness, prevents the noxious weeds of the bourgeois and revisionist ideology from sprouting and running wild. If there is some intellectual who does not like this and does not correct himself, then, rightly, the working class should refuse to give him bread, shoes, or a room in which he can lay his head to dream and philosophise. Why should our working class and peasantry be soft-hearted towards such people, even though they may have emerged from among their own ranks? Why should they be unduly gentle and allow themselves to suffer serious damage and hinder our advance through sickly sentiment? Is this in order to allow a stratum of saboteurs and plotters against socialism to be created among us? It is unthinkable that we should ever close our eyes to such a thing and allow it to happen. In these cases, pity is an expression of petty-bourgeois sentimentality and very harmful. The working class and the co-operativist peasantry want work, honesty, check-up and rendering of account by everyone.”0 -
putting Andrew Neil to work alongside the working classes of Scotland?JohnLoony said:“The bourgeois and revisionist concept of life, putting money, pleasure, comfort, luxury, personal ease and well-being above everything, is alien to our people. The consequences of such a concept have become catastrophic in the countries ruled by the revisionists. Political degeneration, moral corruption, running after money and material gain, selfishness and frenzied individualism, the bourgeois way of life and fashion, and hooliganism are what characterise the life of these countries today, a life which is almost indistinguishable from that of western capitalist countries”.
“The portentous advice and methods of the conceited intellectual who is divorced from life, from practice, are sterile; they produce nothing, neither bread nor boots, nor butter, neither meat nor houses. Such an intellectual displays nothing but his unhealthy intellectualism, the great deficiency above all in his ideological formation with our Marxist-Leninist world outlook, as a result of which he does not know why he works and whom he should serve. Therefore, if the working class want to help such an intellectual, in order to correct him and educate him, they should put him to work together with them so that he gets up to his elbows in oil, mud and manure. What is important is the fact that this dirt cleans the stains of the past from the consciousness, prevents the noxious weeds of the bourgeois and revisionist ideology from sprouting and running wild. If there is some intellectual who does not like this and does not correct himself, then, rightly, the working class should refuse to give him bread, shoes, or a room in which he can lay his head to dream and philosophise. Why should our working class and peasantry be soft-hearted towards such people, even though they may have emerged from among their own ranks? Why should they be unduly gentle and allow themselves to suffer serious damage and hinder our advance through sickly sentiment? Is this in order to allow a stratum of saboteurs and plotters against socialism to be created among us? It is unthinkable that we should ever close our eyes to such a thing and allow it to happen. In these cases, pity is an expression of petty-bourgeois sentimentality and very harmful. The working class and the co-operativist peasantry want work, honesty, check-up and rendering of account by everyone.”
(in a forced tanning salon, or similar, presumably)0 -
Labour's lost it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35047872
They're not only back to calling for inquiries into things they really dislike, but are now putting inquiries as a basis for their support for government legislation.
I haven't said this for a few months, but: Andy Burnham Is Scum.0 -
I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/08/tyson-fury-bbc-director-general-tony-hall-sports-personality-of-the-year
I must admit I'd missed the introduction of these laws. So if someone goes on the radio and says you said something, you're liable to be arrested? very odd.
also ironic that they want to ban one of the few sportsmen with something approaching a personality (not a very attractive personality, I'll grant you) from sports personality of the year...
(it's not called "nice sportsman of the year you'd be happy to let your daughter marry". Though perhaps it should be)0 -
Didn't Farage say somethign similar a while ago? Maybe that's the source?blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?0 -
I hear downtown Knightsbridge can be pretty rough......blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?0 -
Finger on the pulse eh. No doubt it's important to investigate all the misdeeds of the 1970s so that all the current paedophiles etc. will be dead by the time they're got round to?JosiasJessop said:Labour's lost it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35047872
They're not only back to calling for inquiries into things they really dislike, but are now putting inquiries as a basis for their support for government legislation.
I haven't said this for a few months, but: Andy Burnham Is Scum.0 -
I'm sure Robert Carr (dead at 95 3 years ago) will be mortified.....JosiasJessop said:Labour's lost it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35047872
They're not only back to calling for inquiries into things they really dislike, but are now putting inquiries as a basis for their support for government legislation.
I haven't said this for a few months, but: Andy Burnham Is Scum.0 -
Well, I'm older than he is and I not only remember where I went to school,but how I got there, working for Labour while in the VIth and for Libs in my 30's.CarlottaVance said:
The candidate is 71, I wonder if he's forgotten standing for Labour (40 years ago) and the Lib Dems too (35 years ago)?OldKingCole said:I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders.
Not entirely sure what I did last week, though!0 -
blackburn63 said:
I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim0 -
There are several things about this that annoy me:dugarbandier said:
Finger on the pulse eh. No doubt it's important to investigate all the misdeeds of the 1970s so that all the current paedophiles etc. will be dead by the time they're got round to?JosiasJessop said:Labour's lost it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35047872
They're not only back to calling for inquiries into things they really dislike, but are now putting inquiries as a basis for their support for government legislation.
I haven't said this for a few months, but: Andy Burnham Is Scum.
1) Burnham's sick attitude to inquiries can be seen over his behaviour over Stafford. He wants inquiries into all sort of imagined or real iniquities, except when it will hurt the reputation of an NHS trust. He is scum.
2) If the government caves into this, Labour will just do it again and again.
3) Labour were in power for 13 years, and they had lots of bills to increase surveillance over people. Yet they did not have an inquiry then.
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Thanks, I thought it seemed a strange thing to say. I remember reading about areas of East London that were "policed" under some sort of Sharia Law, no go areas for non Muslims or something, I'll have a look.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
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Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation0 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541635/Murders-rapes-going-unreported-no-zones-police-minority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html
Perhaps that's what Trump was referring to.0 -
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation0 -
Ho, ho! The more the MSM squeal and scream, the more Trump is Triumphant:
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/6744833684788346880 -
D'ye reckon he could beat Hilary?MikeK said:Ho, ho! The more the MSM squeal and scream, the more Trump is Triumphant:
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/6744833684788346880 -
I can't speak for anybody else but I don't read it as a defence of a Trump, just pointing out that it's happened before.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
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No. Trump proposes a Muslim ban.MikeK said:
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
Carter banned Iranians - at a time when US Embassy staff were being held hostage in Iran. Christians, Jews, Zoroastrian Iranians were banned as well as Muslims.
There is no precedent for a ban based on religion
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Too many SNP supporters in Fife who commute to work in Edinburgh are not happy and are taking a great interest in finding out what happened.CarlottaVance said:Second! Been dealing with tin-foil shortage among Nats (something to do with sub-$40 oil, or the Forth Bridge closure)
Funny how the biggest infrastructure imbroglio in a generation is getting little coverage in the National.....
I expect the Nats will react in the calm, measured reflective style we have come to know and love if the case goes against them......
Which ever way you look at it, Nicola has problems. The maintenance contracts were cancelled 2010, the recommendations to repair supports and trusses 2009 shelved. And let's say that the FM does admit incompetence, however grudgingly, the Scottish Government would be liable for all and any costs and losses for businesses and individuals for the closure. Will run into billions.
Our junior level legal eagle, Sturgeon has declared that the lack of maintenance did not cause the cracks. It's been pointed out to her that routine maintenance would have found them, rather than the off chance that an engineer on another project would see them, too late.
The latest joke doing the rounds: The Naked Rambler had clothes before Nicola Sturgeon became his divorce lawyer.
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It hasn'tblackburn63 said:
I don't read it as a defence of a Trump, just pointing out that it's happened before.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
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Nothing to defend here. The Donald has his views and I have mine.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
However you say nothing of what Carter did to Iranian muslims while president. He not only temporarily prevented them from entering the States, he expelled those that were already in the country.0 -
Good point.CarlottaVance said:
It hasn'tblackburn63 said:
I don't read it as a defence of a Trump, just pointing out that it's happened before.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
All previous actions have been based on nationality
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Labour promised a new bridge in 2003 and then conveniently ridiculed the need for another bridge from 2007 when they lost power having reneged on their promise. The change of companies involved in maintenance might be a factor but I think it is like blaming a pollie when the traffic lights break. It happens. Unlike Labour building bridges. Literally.OchEye said:
Too many SNP supporters in Fife who commute to work in Edinburgh are not happy and are taking a great interest in finding out what happened.CarlottaVance said:Second! Been dealing with tin-foil shortage among Nats (something to do with sub-$40 oil, or the Forth Bridge closure)
Funny how the biggest infrastructure imbroglio in a generation is getting little coverage in the National.....
I expect the Nats will react in the calm, measured reflective style we have come to know and love if the case goes against them......
Which ever way you look at it, Nicola has problems. The maintenance contracts were cancelled 2010, the recommendations to repair supports and trusses 2009 shelved. And let's say that the FM does admit incompetence, however grudgingly, the Scottish Government would be liable for all and any costs and losses for businesses and individuals for the closure. Will run into billions.
Our junior level legal eagle, Sturgeon has declared that the lack of maintenance did not cause the cracks. It's been pointed out to her that routine maintenance would have found them, rather than the off chance that an engineer on another project would see them, too late.
The latest joke doing the rounds: The Naked Rambler had clothes before Nicola Sturgeon became his divorce lawyer.0 -
A local by election in NW Leics too, inspired by more crystal methodism:
http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/Labour-councillor-quits-arrest-suspicion-dealing/story-28318760-detail/story.html
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Thats tendentious bullshit, Carlotta.CarlottaVance said:
It hasn'tblackburn63 said:
I don't read it as a defence of a Trump, just pointing out that it's happened before.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
All previous actions have been based on nationality0 -
But Carter didn't do it to Iranian Muslims he did it to Iranians - of all faiths & none.....MikeK said:
However you say nothing of what Carter did to Iranian muslims while president. He not only temporarily prevented them from entering the States, he expelled those that were already in the country.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation0 -
I'm surprised that nobody has asked Mr Trump if Muslims are welcome in his hotels or on his golf course.0
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No - there's a very big difference between the passport people hold and what their beliefs are.MikeK said:
Thats tendentious bullshit, Carlotta.CarlottaVance said:
It hasn'tblackburn63 said:
I don't read it as a defence of a Trump, just pointing out that it's happened before.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
All previous actions have been based on nationality
If you believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of association, Trump's comments are deeply worrying.
He would do well to remember the words of the Founding Fathers:
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Of course there are areas the police are more "comfortable" in. I would rather have a beat in South Ken than Tower Hamlets if walking around alone and unarmed as a young plod at night.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, I thought it seemed a strange thing to say. I remember reading about areas of East London that were "policed" under some sort of Sharia Law, no go areas for non Muslims or something, I'll have a look.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
I suspect others would feel similarly.0 -
Lets see... out of 14,000 Iranians expelled perhaps there were 2 or 3 christians and the odd Jew. Good debating claws out this morning, though.CarlottaVance said:
No. Trump proposes a Muslim ban.MikeK said:
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
Carter banned Iranians - at a time when US Embassy staff were being held hostage in Iran. Christians, Jews, Zoroastrian Iranians were banned as well as Muslims.
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I wonder what the test is. Compulsory bacon sarnie and beer at immigration before you are allowed to cross the line?blackburn63 said:I'm surprised that nobody has asked Mr Trump if Muslims are welcome in his hotels or on his golf course.
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Its not - its part of the Appeals Court Judgment upholding Carter's ban:MikeK said:
Thats tendentious bullshit, Carlotta.CarlottaVance said:
It hasn'tblackburn63 said:
I don't read it as a defence of a Trump, just pointing out that it's happened before.dugarbandier said:
Are you seriously attempting to defend the Donald? There has to be one, I supposeMikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
All previous actions have been based on nationality
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Last week you forgot to send me your full financial details and passwords so I might transfer funds to the Auchentennach and Zimbabwe Bank of Eternal Prosperity.OldKingCole said:
Well, I'm older than he is and I not only remember where I went to school,but how I got there, working for Labour while in the VIth and for Libs in my 30's.CarlottaVance said:
The candidate is 71, I wonder if he's forgotten standing for Labour (40 years ago) and the Lib Dems too (35 years ago)?OldKingCole said:I've got to say I would find incredible (and worrying) someone who "forgot" where he'd been at secondary school. Especially if they were boarders.
Not entirely sure what I did last week, though!
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@stephenpollard: Very experienced Lab MP just told me sees no alternative to a breakaway. Corbyn not going away, party is doomed. 'There's got to be a split'0
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A friend of mine was in the Met in the 70s, they loved policing football grounds where hooligans were present, an opportunity to bash a few people with a truncheon. Of course policing has changed and I take your point, but a lot of coppers love a good ruck.redcliffe62 said:
Of course there are areas the police are more "comfortable" in. I would rather have a beat in South Ken than Tower Hamlets if walking around alone and unarmed as a young plod at night.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, I thought it seemed a strange thing to say. I remember reading about areas of East London that were "policed" under some sort of Sharia Law, no go areas for non Muslims or something, I'll have a look.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
I suspect others would feel similarly.
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You haven't read the article you posted:MikeK said:
Lets see... out of 14,000 Iranians expelled perhaps there were 2 or 3 christians and the odd Jew. Good debating claws out this morning, though.CarlottaVance said:
No. Trump proposes a Muslim ban.MikeK said:
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
Carter banned Iranians - at a time when US Embassy staff were being held hostage in Iran. Christians, Jews, Zoroastrian Iranians were banned as well as Muslims.
There is no precedent for a ban based on religion
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As the article says, they're two different things. One was banning entry from a Muslim nation, and another is banning Muslims. The same is true for the restrictions on Germans and Japanese in WWII - it is easier to check a passport than a religious affiliation.MikeK said:Good morning all.
Just found this juicy Jem, Jimmy, Jim, er.................
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/489202-remember-back-when-jimmy-carter-forbade-immigration-from-iran-and-expelled-and-immigrants-from-iran-and-expelled/
Trump is Attacked for Proposed Muslim Ban, But a Democratic President Actually Banned Entry from Muslim Nation
People who support this should state how immigration officials can tell someone is Muslim or not.
They cannot. And because they cannot, innocent people will be stopped from entering, whilst clever people wishing America harm will still get in.
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This is getting silly. I suspect the only muslims not welcome in Trump hotels are those carrying AK 47's and a bomb or two.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what the test is. Compulsory bacon sarnie and beer at immigration before you are allowed to cross the line?blackburn63 said:I'm surprised that nobody has asked Mr Trump if Muslims are welcome in his hotels or on his golf course.
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That's actually not true. Trump could easily be more wrong, as he's shown time and time again.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
Putting that aside, had he said that parts of London were a no-go area for members of the public or the police - unless heavily protected and in groups - he might have a point on some of the worst estates.0 -
Your comments are spot on. But Carmichael lying about the actions of the Scottish and French Governments needs to be punished as it brought shame to the UK from a minister of the State. Had French not broken diplomatic ranks and said it was BS then Sturgeon and all SNP candidates including Ork and Shet would have been hung out to dry, as Carmichael clearly planned.CarlottaVance said:
Yes - in the Woolas & Grell cases (both Labour, incidentally) the false statements were made about their opponent in that election.JohnLoony said:Nicola Sturgeon was not a candidate in O& S, so the legal argument in this case is somewhat convoluted and tenuous.
If it does succeed it will be pretty much open season on politicians - how many Labour politicians have not said something intemperate about Thatcher, or Conservatives Miliband (or his father...)
Brave (possibly in the Sir Humphrey sense) of the petitioners to bring it - if they fail, lets hope those who generously funded them thus far continue to do so.
WM refusing to release the full transcript with the names of those involved on national security grounds as it might embarrass the French was a lame excuse. It was whether Carmichael and his sidekick Mundell were BOTH involved that the release of an original memo might have shown.
Amazing how often national security has been used to cover up information that would show WM in a bad light on matters Scotland. Devo files pre 1999 ongoing and Dunblane killings for 100 years due to interesting parties being involved also spring to mind.0 -
There are, of course, areas of the UK where the police turn up only when they have sufficient numbers. But they are vastly smaller and the intensity of the issue is much much less than in most other countries - we are talking about a couple of cars with a handful of officers. In the US, in some areas, every arrest is done by SWAT.redcliffe62 said:
Of course there are areas the police are more "comfortable" in. I would rather have a beat in South Ken than Tower Hamlets if walking around alone and unarmed as a young plod at night.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, I thought it seemed a strange thing to say. I remember reading about areas of East London that were "policed" under some sort of Sharia Law, no go areas for non Muslims or something, I'll have a look.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
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It has always been difficult to get into the US if you intend to overthrow the Government thereof. They ask the question!0
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Well that's the point and why I posted my link. Not for the first time because everybody is shouting at the messenger the message has got lost. The thought of no go areas for anybody is abhorrent.Casino_Royale said:
That's actually not true. Trump could easily be more wrong, as he's shown time and time again.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
Putting that aside, had he said that parts of London were a no-go area for members of the public or the police - unless heavily protected and in groups - he might have a point on some of the worst estates.
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.. and yet your lot would ban Muslim immigrants and probably start repatriations.. a more less inclusive party than one could think possible,..MikeK said:
This is getting silly. I suspect the only muslims not welcome in Trump hotels are those carrying AK 47's and a bomb or two.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what the test is. Compulsory bacon sarnie and beer at immigration before you are allowed to cross the line?blackburn63 said:I'm surprised that nobody has asked Mr Trump if Muslims are welcome in his hotels or on his golf course.
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Out of interest, who is "your lot"?SquareRoot said:
.. and yet your lot would ban Muslim immigrants and probably start repatriations.. a more less inclusive party than one could think possible,..MikeK said:
This is getting silly. I suspect the only muslims not welcome in Trump hotels are those carrying AK 47's and a bomb or two.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what the test is. Compulsory bacon sarnie and beer at immigration before you are allowed to cross the line?blackburn63 said:I'm surprised that nobody has asked Mr Trump if Muslims are welcome in his hotels or on his golf course.
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The Scottish Government to revise I assume as the case was brought in Scotland? If you are suggesting WM is sovereign above Scots Law guaranteed in 1707 so Scot could develop within UK normally (as part of buyout deal!) then you are surely opening an even bigger can of worms?JohnLoony said:If this action succeeds, it will open a can of worms to the future micro-scrutiny of every candidate's every statement in every future election, and lengthy arguments about every exaggeration or spin (let alone outright lies). Nicola Sturgeon was not a candidate in O& S, so the legal argument in this case is somewhat convoluted and tenuous. If I were the government, I would consider revising the law to prevent this becoming commonplace.
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His courage, fortitude and valour are an inspiration to us all.JosiasJessop said:
There are several things about this that annoy me:dugarbandier said:
Finger on the pulse eh. No doubt it's important to investigate all the misdeeds of the 1970s so that all the current paedophiles etc. will be dead by the time they're got round to?JosiasJessop said:Labour's lost it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35047872
They're not only back to calling for inquiries into things they really dislike, but are now putting inquiries as a basis for their support for government legislation.
I haven't said this for a few months, but: Andy Burnham Is Scum.
1) Burnham's sick attitude to inquiries can be seen over his behaviour over Stafford. He wants inquiries into all sort of imagined or real iniquities, except when it will hurt the reputation of an NHS trust. He is scum.
2) If the government caves into this, Labour will just do it again and again.
3) Labour were in power for 13 years, and they had lots of bills to increase surveillance over people. Yet they did not have an inquiry then.0 -
The elephant in the room is that most terrorists in Europe have been 2nd or 3rd generation locals with an accent that sounds very similar to everyone else. Syrian arrivals less of an issue than Saudis since 9/11?CarlottaVance said:Trump's 'Keep Out the Muslims' - the only terrorist it would have stopped post 9/11 was a Brit on Visa-waiver:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/25/us/us-muslim-extremists-terrorist-attacks.html0 -
Will they apply the same test at immigration?MikeK said:
This is getting silly. I suspect the only muslims not welcome in Trump hotels are those carrying AK 47's and a bomb or two.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what the test is. Compulsory bacon sarnie and beer at immigration before you are allowed to cross the line?blackburn63 said:I'm surprised that nobody has asked Mr Trump if Muslims are welcome in his hotels or on his golf course.
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There won't be a split, it's just endless briefings from Corbyn's enemies to friendly press about what they might like to happen.Scott_P said:@stephenpollard: Very experienced Lab MP just told me sees no alternative to a breakaway. Corbyn not going away, party is doomed. 'There's got to be a split'
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How does one pronounce Hoxha?
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I think CCHQ outreach to the Channel Islands is obvious - all greedy selfish tax avoiders live there...
CarlottaVance said:
Are you sure you're not a "single (but multiple people) Tory sock-puppet in need of some sleep" © scotslass ?RobD said:
Me too, and I still lostOldKingCole said:First, but since I'm in SE Asia, could be regarded as cheating. As a LD-inclined voter, probably the best result would be in Carmichael won his case and retired at the next election. He does seem to be an embarrassment!
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Morning all. An interesting case, although personally I still don't understand how Carmichael's alleged slur against Nicola Sturgeon can be relevant given that she wasn't a candidate - in any seat - at the 2015 election.
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The other elephant is the Visa Waiver program - wonder how long that will last.....redcliffe62 said:
The elephant in the room is that most terrorists in Europe have been 2nd or 3rd generation locals with an accent that sounds very similar to everyone else. Syrian arrivals less of an issue than Saudis since 9/11?CarlottaVance said:Trump's 'Keep Out the Muslims' - the only terrorist it would have stopped post 9/11 was a Brit on Visa-waiver:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/25/us/us-muslim-extremists-terrorist-attacks.html0 -
Attila The Stockbroker rhymed it with 'codger'.MikeK said:How does one pronounce Hoxha?
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Shame they didn't play for the English rugby team ....blackburn63 said:
but a lot of coppers love a good ruck.redcliffe62 said:
Of course there are areas the police are more "comfortable" in. I would rather have a beat in South Ken than Tower Hamlets if walking around alone and unarmed as a young plod at night.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, I thought it seemed a strange thing to say. I remember reading about areas of East London that were "policed" under some sort of Sharia Law, no go areas for non Muslims or something, I'll have a look.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
I suspect others would feel similarly.
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Nice one from the bowels of Holyrood, Labour and the LibDems had tensions between them, plus there was a lot of opposition from the SNP, locals and local authorities. I remember a particularly vocal demand for a tunnel, even when it was pointed out to be a very daft idea from an engineering and technical view. (Still being shouted about, and still just as stupid)redcliffe62 said:
Labour promised a new bridge in 2003 and then conveniently ridiculed the need for another bridge from 2007 when they lost power having reneged on their promise. The change of companies involved in maintenance might be a factor but I think it is like blaming a pollie when the traffic lights break. It happens. Unlike Labour building bridges. Literally.OchEye said:
Too many SNP supporters in Fife who commute to work in Edinburgh are not happy and are taking a great interest in finding out what happened.CarlottaVance said:Second! Been dealing with tin-foil shortage among Nats (something to do with sub-$40 oil, or the Forth Bridge closure)
Funny how the biggest infrastructure imbroglio in a generation is getting little coverage in the National.....
I expect the Nats will react in the calm, measured reflective style we have come to know and love if the case goes against them......
Which ever way you look at it, Nicola has problems. The maintenance contracts were cancelled 2010, the recommendations to repair supports and trusses 2009 shelved. And let's say that the FM does admit incompetence, however grudgingly, the Scottish Government would be liable for all and any costs and losses for businesses and individuals for the closure. Will run into billions.
Our junior level legal eagle, Sturgeon has declared that the lack of maintenance did not cause the cracks. It's been pointed out to her that routine maintenance would have found them, rather than the off chance that an engineer on another project would see them, too late.
The latest joke doing the rounds: The Naked Rambler had clothes before Nicola Sturgeon became his divorce lawyer.
The then Scottish Executive wanted to review all options before a decision was made and then came the election that brought the minority SNP into power who promptly kicked the project into the long grass.
Come the hour, and the reports saying that the Forth Road Bridge was coming to the end of it's life due to higher than predicted traffic flows and heavier lorries taking the structure far beyond it's design capabilities - low and behold, we get a bridge, built by the Chinese, using Chinese steel, based on a four lane design, but without, unlike the original, pedestrian and cycle path, or as suggested, dedicated bus lanes. But cheap!
For those who are interested, it was the minority SNP who changed the name from Scottish Executive to Scottish Government.0 -
Tower Hamlets would be a whole lot nicer than Tottenham.redcliffe62 said:
Of course there are areas the police are more "comfortable" in. I would rather have a beat in South Ken than Tower Hamlets if walking around alone and unarmed as a young plod at night.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, I thought it seemed a strange thing to say. I remember reading about areas of East London that were "policed" under some sort of Sharia Law, no go areas for non Muslims or something, I'll have a look.CarlottaVance said:blackburn63 said:I have a question for Londoners on here please as I don't live there and visit only about once a month.
Trump says in parts of London the police are intimidated because of radicalisation, is this true and if so whereabouts?
London’s Metropolitan police have said Donald Trump “could not be more wrong” when he claimed parts of London were so radicalised that officers feared for their lives.
Politicians also weighed in, with a Downing Street source saying the US presidential hopeful’s comments were “totally inaccurate” and London’s mayor, Boris Johnson, describing them as “utter nonsense”.
In a withering statement, the Met, responsible for policing the British capital, said: “We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however, on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr Trump could not be more wrong.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/the-met-blasts-donald-trump-for-london-police-in-fear-muslims-claim
I suspect others would feel similarly.
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Are you speaking from experience? I live in London and have been all over the place, often on my own, without ever feeling nervous, including canvassing supposedly rough estates. Obviously there is a faint risk of random violence anywhere on the planet, but my experience over 50 years of canvassing is that if you don't bother people (other than asking how they'll vote!) they don't bother you. I think people talk themselves into being scared.Casino_Royale said:
Putting that aside, had he said that parts of London were a no-go area for members of the public or the police - unless heavily protected and in groups - he might have a point on some of the worst estates.0 -
Shadow Cabinet split 2 to 1 in favour of Mao when it comes to fave dictators.AlastairMeeks said:
Attila The Stockbroker rhymed it with 'codger'.MikeK said:How does one pronounce Hoxha?
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/674491222803656704
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On topic, if Alistair Carmichael loses it will be precedent-setting. An appeal if he loses must be quite likely.0
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William Hague is happy not to be in government any more, but urges them to get on with expanding Heathrow for the sake of the country's future, and the chance of the next government again kicking the can down the road.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12039856/Enough-excuses-lets-get-on-and-build-a-third-runway-at-Heathrow.html
"This week my old colleagues in the Government are facing exactly that situation over an argument that has been going on for longer than quite a few of them have been alive – where to build a new airport runway in the South East of England. The longer it has gone on the harder it has become to decide, not surprisingly in an area where the population grows every year. But the passing of time has also made the case for it overwhelming, unless you are against air travel in principle or believe that it is better for British people to be collectively poorer, permanently, rather then decide where to build a single stretch of extra tarmac.
"As foreign secretary I was regularly shown by other countries the airports they were building. China has built literally dozens of new airports, never mind runways, and Dubai will soon be able to host more aircraft than all the London airports put together. Of course, such places have a lot more space, so it is easier for them, yet somehow Paris, Frankfurt and Amsterdam have also managed to build a lot more runway capacity than we have.
"For a while, people thinking of investing in or trading with Britain will put up with circling for many hours of their lives over London suburbs, waiting for their plane to get a chance to land. They will even tolerate the extreme vulnerability of Heathrow, working at 99 per cent capacity, to the strong winds or slight snowfall that produce hours of delays while the rest of the world takes them in its stride. They might even forgive the fact that if they want to fly to the main cities of China, it would be a lot easier for them to do so from Paris. But leave them doing all this for another decade, which is how long it takes to get a runway up and running, and many of them will take their orders and jobs elsewhere."0 -
Politically speaking ?!? ....NickPalmer said:
Are you speaking from experience? I live in London and have been all over the place....Casino_Royale said:
Putting that aside, had he said that parts of London were a no-go area for members of the public or the police - unless heavily protected and in groups - he might have a point on some of the worst estates.
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4-7 Lib Dems, 7-4 SNP Maybe ? - that is not an offer of a price btw.Sandpit said:Morning all. An interesting case, although personally I still don't understand how Carmichael's alleged slur against Nicola Sturgeon can be relevant given that she wasn't a candidate - in any seat - at the 2015 election.
But a by-election is a by-election, is a betting opportunity
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NickPalmer said:
Are you speaking from experience? I live in London and have been all over the place, often on my own, without ever feeling nervous, including canvassing supposedly rough estates. Obviously there is a faint risk of random violence anywhere on the planet, but my experience over 50 years of canvassing is that if you don't bother people (other than asking how they'll vote!) they don't bother you. I think people talk themselves into being scared.Casino_Royale said:
Putting that aside, had he said that parts of London were a no-go area for members of the public or the police - unless heavily protected and in groups - he might have a point on some of the worst estates.
You must be loving Corbyn.. He's even more left wing than one could have thought possible.
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The 'Ban Trump from the UK' Petition has sailed past its first benchmark - 10,000 signatures for a government response - and is steaming towards its second - 100,000 to be considered for a debate in parliament:
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Is it my imagination or did Corbyn actually quote Enver Hoxha at a Labour Christmas party?
Maybe it's just me, but he was a poster boy for awful things in Albania for decades. I suppose in the words of The Abbotess "he did more good than ill". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_HoxhaThe 40-year period of Hoxha's rule was characterized by the elimination of the opposition, prolific use of the death penalty[1][2] or long prison terms for his political opponents and evictions of their families from their homes to remote villages that were strictly controlled by police and the secret police (Sigurimi). His rule was also characterized by Stalinist methods to destroy his associates who threatened his own power.[3] Economically, during his period, Albania became industrialised and saw rapid economic growth, as well as unprecedented progress in the areas of education and health. He focused on rebuilding the country which was left in ruins after World War II, building Albania's first railway line, eliminating adult illiteracy and leading Albania towards becoming agriculturally self-sufficient.[4]
Hoxha's government was characterized by his proclaimed firm adherence to anti-revisionist Marxism–Leninism from the mid-1970s onwards. After his break with Maoism in the 1976–1978 period, numerous Maoist parties declared themselves Hoxhaist. The International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle) is the best known association of these parties today.0 -
I suspect a member of his family (or Diane) wrote that Wikipedia page. there's almost the same amount on women's rights as there is human rights. With the positive bit first.Plato_Says said:Is it my imagination or did Corbyn actually quote Enver Hoxha at a Labour Christmas party?
Maybe it's just me, but he was a poster boy for awful things in Albania for decades. I suppose in the words of The Abbotess "he did more good than ill". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_HoxhaThe 40-year period of Hoxha's rule was characterized by the elimination of the opposition, prolific use of the death penalty[1][2] or long prison terms for his political opponents and evictions of their families from their homes to remote villages that were strictly controlled by police and the secret police (Sigurimi). His rule was also characterized by Stalinist methods to destroy his associates who threatened his own power.[3] Economically, during his period, Albania became industrialised and saw rapid economic growth, as well as unprecedented progress in the areas of education and health. He focused on rebuilding the country which was left in ruins after World War II, building Albania's first railway line, eliminating adult illiteracy and leading Albania towards becoming agriculturally self-sufficient.[4]
Hoxha's government was characterized by his proclaimed firm adherence to anti-revisionist Marxism–Leninism from the mid-1970s onwards. After his break with Maoism in the 1976–1978 period, numerous Maoist parties declared themselves Hoxhaist. The International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organizations (Unity & Struggle) is the best known association of these parties today.
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Just seen Bush in Staggers - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2015/12/jeremy-corbyn-quotes-enver-hoxha-labour-party-christmas-party
Dubbing Hoxha a "tough ruler", Corbyn quoted Hoxha's phrase that "this year will be tougher than last year". Hoxha is believed to have imprisoned, tortured or executed at least 100,000 Albanians during his reign.
MikeK said:How does one pronounce Hoxha?
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Surely there would have to a reason to ban him from the UK, such as a serious criminal conviction or that his behaviour would not be conducive to the public good?CarlottaVance said:The 'Ban Trump from the UK' Petition has sailed past its first benchmark - 10,000 signatures for a government response - and is steaming towards its second - 100,000 to be considered for a debate in parliament:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
I'm not defending what he said, but suggesting that the high threshold for freedom of speech needed to ban someone from the UK is not met in this case. He is not inciting violence or sedition, and he's not a rapist or murderer.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
If the judgement goes ahead, will Carmichael be back, or is his career terminated?
Miss Vance, Trump's an arse [fitting, given his name can mean an episode of flatulence], and his latest utterance ridiculous. But banning people with whom we disagree and putting him on a par with someone who literally advocates murdering apostates and the like is protesting a shade too much, I think.
Free speech means the right to be an arse. A right Corbyn is currently exercising, if Miss Plato's post is correct.0 -
Ah but he might think something.Sandpit said:
Surely there would have to a reason to ban him from the UK, such as a serious criminal conviction or that his behaviour would not be conducive to the public good?CarlottaVance said:The 'Ban Trump from the UK' Petition has sailed past its first benchmark - 10,000 signatures for a government response - and is steaming towards its second - 100,000 to be considered for a debate in parliament:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
I'm not defending what he said, but suggesting that the high threshold for freedom of speech needed to ban someone from the UK is not met in this case. He is not inciting violence or sedition, and he's not a rapist or murderer.
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Neither is the boxing fellow (I presume) but he's being investigated by the police...Sandpit said:
Surely there would have to a reason to ban him from the UK, such as a serious criminal conviction or that his behaviour would not be conducive to the public good?CarlottaVance said:The 'Ban Trump from the UK' Petition has sailed past its first benchmark - 10,000 signatures for a government response - and is steaming towards its second - 100,000 to be considered for a debate in parliament:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
I'm not defending what he said, but suggesting that the high threshold for freedom of speech needed to ban someone from the UK is not met in this case. He is not inciting violence or sedition, and he's not a rapist or murderer.
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Trump is an absolute bell-end. He'd love being banned from the UK. But we either believe in free speech or we don't. What will end up really hurting Trump are the business relationships and customers he loses as a result of his inflammatory posturing. That will be a long-lasting legacy of his campaign. He has already lost billions of dollars by not being very good at business. He is probably going to lose a few more now.CarlottaVance said:The 'Ban Trump from the UK' Petition has sailed past its first benchmark - 10,000 signatures for a government response - and is steaming towards its second - 100,000 to be considered for a debate in parliament:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
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