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While many centrists might chose a Republican over Clinton but not Trump.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
DTWNBPOTUSA
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That post was misconstrued, Corbyn won't be next PM - because Osborne will be but the rest is correct.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...0 -
Most likely not, but he may well be the Republican candidate.Philip_Thompson said:
While many centrists might chose a Republican over Clinton but not Trump.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
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Great minds think alikeJohn_M said:
As did I, very surprisinglyThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?
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Judging by the number of centrists, that's not very high, 9% of republicans would vote for Clinton over Trump, 7% of democrats would vote for Trump over Clinton:Philip_Thompson said:
While many centrists might chose a Republican over Clinton but not Trump.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
DTWNBPOTUSA
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/full-results-poll-general-election-2016/index.html
For a comparison, with Carson 9% of republicans vote for Hillary.
With Rubio it's 10%.
With Cruz it's 13%.
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I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.0 -
Jez has driven up the combined vote share for centre-right parties to an extraordinary level, judging by polling.TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
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As long as he keeps his 31% and gets rid of the conspirators and underminers in the Labour party, he's fine.Sean_F said:
Jez has driven up the combined vote share for centre-right parties to an extraordinary level, judging by polling.TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.0 -
Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?Mortimer said:Couldn't agree more.
Heard the latest Trump tirade this morning - my first thought was I think he's got the nomination in the bag.
Has anyone seen the Tory attack ad on Sadiq Khan. It seems to me to be devastatingly effective:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10153554523749279/
I think CCHQ is gunning for the mayoralty AND his seat in Tooting in 2020.....
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If only we had AV, Tories could vote tactically for the Kippers in some parts of the country and vice versa.Sean_F said:
Jez has driven up the combined vote share for centre-right parties to an extraordinary level, judging by polling.TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.0 -
The G7 with Boris, the Donald, Putin and Le Pen...TheScreamingEagles said:The first meeting between PM Boris and POTUS Trump should be a humdinger.
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That is a good question, how does a British PM meet with a President Trump, especially in London?TheScreamingEagles said:
The same applies for a Dutch PM Wilders, or a French President Le Pen.0 -
Maybe the USA would be better governed if its politics were not so dominated by worrying about specific groups (e.g. Cubans, Hispanics etc etc). Maybe the UK would be wise to turn away from following the American example before it is too late.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure how that works out in his favour given the US system e.g. places like Florida are vital to win in order to become President. The Republicans have won there in the past due to a big support from the likes of the Cuban communities, Obama managed to win them over.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
Not sure how Trump going big time anti-immigrant with endear him to the Cubans.
A small example: TSE, gent of this parish, have different views on quite a lot of things and so will fall into different political camps. I think it quite legitimate for a political party to target their offering to us on the basis of our political views and how we may be persuaded to vote differently as a result. For a political party to target their message based on the fact that TSE likes red shoes and I prefer a more sober, but highly polished, black is as valid (but less offensive) than it should target on the fact that TSE and I have slightly different skin colours and come from different religious backgrounds.
Identity politics is as revolting as any other form of discrimination on the basis of involuntary characteristics.0 -
That's a handbrake turn!TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.0 -
Mr. Llama, well said. Identity politics is the preserve of empty-headed tatterdemalions.0
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https://xkcd.com/868/BigRich said:
Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?0 -
For me, it's not so much revolting as incredibly insulting. It reduces people to a single dimension.HurstLlama said:
Maybe the USA would be better governed if its politics were not so dominated by worrying about specific groups (e.g. Cubans, Hispanics etc etc). Maybe the UK would be wise to turn away from following the American example before it is too late.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure how that works out in his favour given the US system e.g. places like Florida are vital to win in order to become President. The Republicans have won there in the past due to a big support from the likes of the Cuban communities, Obama managed to win them over.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
Not sure how Trump going big time anti-immigrant with endear him to the Cubans.
A small example: TSE, gent of this parish, have different views on quite a lot of things and so will fall into different political camps. I think it quite legitimate for a political party to target their offering to us on the basis of our political views and how we may be persuaded to vote differently as a result. For a political party to target their message based on the fact that TSE likes red shoes and I prefer a more sober, but highly polished, black is as valid (but less offensive) than it should target on the fact that TSE and I have slightly different skin colours and come from different religious backgrounds.
Identity politics is as revolting as any other form of discrimination on the basis of involuntary characteristics.
Gay people are people. Transgender people are people. Muslims are people. And so on and so forth. I have been fortunate enough to travel widely and people are generally pleasant and friendly. Those that haven't been are well distributed across all genders, religions, sexual orientations etc. Assholes know no denomination. Identity politics is for those who are both lazy and stupid.0 -
You noticed?AlastairMeeks said:
That's a handbrake turn!TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
I think I might be turning into SeanT on this front for the next few months.
I think Jez is safe if Khan becomes London Mayor and I now think he will (sorry Lynton)0 -
If we have a recession, Dave will have the fight of his life against the tory right who will be spitting bile at him and Osborne.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...0 -
We should ban proponents of AV from entering the UK!TheScreamingEagles said:
If only we had AV, Tories could vote tactically for the Kippers in some parts of the country and vice versa.Sean_F said:
Jez has driven up the combined vote share for centre-right parties to an extraordinary level, judging by polling.TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't think Jez is going anywhere.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
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Well said, Mr Llama!HurstLlama said:
Maybe the USA would be better governed if its politics were not so dominated by worrying about specific groups (e.g. Cubans, Hispanics etc etc). Maybe the UK would be wise to turn away from following the American example before it is too late.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure how that works out in his favour given the US system e.g. places like Florida are vital to win in order to become President. The Republicans have won there in the past due to a big support from the likes of the Cuban communities, Obama managed to win them over.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
Not sure how Trump going big time anti-immigrant with endear him to the Cubans.
A small example: TSE, gent of this parish, have different views on quite a lot of things and so will fall into different political camps. I think it quite legitimate for a political party to target their offering to us on the basis of our political views and how we may be persuaded to vote differently as a result. For a political party to target their message based on the fact that TSE likes red shoes and I prefer a more sober, but highly polished, black is as valid (but less offensive) than it should target on the fact that TSE and I have slightly different skin colours and come from different religious backgrounds.
Identity politics is as revolting as any other form of discrimination on the basis of involuntary characteristics.0 -
That's american politics, since it's composed entirely of immigrants, identity in america goes a long way through it's history.HurstLlama said:
Maybe the USA would be better governed if its politics were not so dominated by worrying about specific groups (e.g. Cubans, Hispanics etc etc). Maybe the UK would be wise to turn away from following the American example before it is too late.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure how that works out in his favour given the US system e.g. places like Florida are vital to win in order to become President. The Republicans have won there in the past due to a big support from the likes of the Cuban communities, Obama managed to win them over.DearPB said:taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
Not sure how Trump going big time anti-immigrant with endear him to the Cubans.
A small example: TSE, gent of this parish, have different views on quite a lot of things and so will fall into different political camps. I think it quite legitimate for a political party to target their offering to us on the basis of our political views and how we may be persuaded to vote differently as a result. For a political party to target their message based on the fact that TSE likes red shoes and I prefer a more sober, but highly polished, black is as valid (but less offensive) than it should target on the fact that TSE and I have slightly different skin colours and come from different religious backgrounds.
Identity politics is as revolting as any other form of discrimination on the basis of involuntary characteristics.
Even now scandinavian immigrants who arrived in the northern great plains in the late 19th century still vote for left wing democrats in places like Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa, although their power has waned over the decades.
Not to mention Irish-americans who still keep New York a democratic bastion since the middle of the 19th century.
Mormons in Utah keep it a republican bastion ever since Utah became a state, etc etc.0 -
I think where that campaign is effective is that, when taken as a whole, it shows Khan to be generally poor at sticking to his convictions. The man nominated corbyn - probably says a lot about his judgement.Roger said:
Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?Mortimer said:Couldn't agree more.
Heard the latest Trump tirade this morning - my first thought was I think he's got the nomination in the bag.
Has anyone seen the Tory attack ad on Sadiq Khan. It seems to me to be devastatingly effective:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10153554523749279/
I think CCHQ is gunning for the mayoralty AND his seat in Tooting in 2020.....0 -
Link says 14?isam said:
Anyway, tragic whatever the number. Let's hope the area is safely back in Government control soon.0 -
I've always known that I'm sitting in a very small slice of a tremendously complicated political Venn diagram.HurstLlama said:
Maybe the USA would be better governed if its politics were not so dominated by worrying about specific groups (e.g. Cubans, Hispanics etc etc). Maybe the UK would be wise to turn away from following the American example before it is too late.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not sure how that works out in his favour given the US system e.g. places like Florida are vital to win in order to become President. The Republicans have won there in the past due to a big support from the likes of the Cuban communities, Obama managed to win them over.DearPB said:
This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton.taffys said:''She was hinting that the principal concern of the Republican Establishment was to prevent Trump running as an Independent. I think that they are right to be concerned. He could easily do a Ross Perot and let a Clinton into the White House.''
The Obama coalition was, essentially, blacks+hispanics+blue collar whites.
Trump's tactic is to frighten the blue collar whites
The fact that Clinton is the Democratic candidate (as good as) helps Trump. Moderate republicans might choose some Democrats over Trump, but (and even though she's a centrist) not Hillary.
Not sure how Trump going big time anti-immigrant with endear him to the Cubans.
A small example: TSE, gent of this parish, have different views on quite a lot of things and so will fall into different political camps. I think it quite legitimate for a political party to target their offering to us on the basis of our political views and how we may be persuaded to vote differently as a result. For a political party to target their message based on the fact that TSE likes red shoes and I prefer a more sober, but highly polished, black is as valid (but less offensive) than it should target on the fact that TSE and I have slightly different skin colours and come from different religious backgrounds.
Identity politics is as revolting as any other form of discrimination on the basis of involuntary characteristics.0 -
FantasticWilliam_H said:
https://xkcd.com/868/BigRich said:
Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?0 -
Dr. Prasannan, but should we deport deviant AV supporters who are already here?0
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14 from Russian strikes and 26 from AmericanLuckyguy1983 said:
Link says 14?isam said:
Anyway, tragic whatever the number. Let's hope the area is safely back in Government control soon.0 -
1992 was not THAT severe a recession, and the Tories then had a leader who was much more likeable and "in touch" than George Osborne.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...0 -
I think the decision should be put on an AV vote.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Prasannan, but should we deport deviant AV supporters who are already here?
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Jeremy Corbyn To Still Be Labour Leader on 1st Jan 2017 - YES
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Still available with BetVictor.
Full disclosure on at around 4-5 for £150.0 -
Mr H,William_H said:
https://xkcd.com/868/BigRich said:
Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?
LOL, Brilliant, Absolutely brilliant!!0 -
The answer is the same as all these things - the British PM will end up eating sh*t. It could be that Britain is being used as the Michael Fallon of the US - the one you get to say dumb things so it doesn't rebound on you.Speedy said:
That is a good question, how does a British PM meet with a President Trump, especially in London?TheScreamingEagles said:
The same applies for a Dutch PM Wilders, or a French President Le Pen.0 -
Has anyone asked the Trade Union members whether they want their money to go to Khan?Roger said:
Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?Mortimer said:Couldn't agree more.
Heard the latest Trump tirade this morning - my first thought was I think he's got the nomination in the bag.
Has anyone seen the Tory attack ad on Sadiq Khan. It seems to me to be devastatingly effective:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10153554523749279/
I think CCHQ is gunning for the mayoralty AND his seat in Tooting in 2020.....0 -
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.0 -
Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
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Surely you mean... "Mr Speedy. What is your name, and be quick about it."Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
What is it?
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I'm hoping his name is Gonzalez.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
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Don't tell him Pike!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
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I've always hoped that a bus company would venture into selling carpets, just to see the shop name "Underlay Arriva".TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping his name is Gonzalez.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
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Yes. Next question?Roger said:
Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?Mortimer said:Couldn't agree more.
Heard the latest Trump tirade this morning - my first thought was I think he's got the nomination in the bag.
Has anyone seen the Tory attack ad on Sadiq Khan. It seems to me to be devastatingly effective:
https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10153554523749279/
I think CCHQ is gunning for the mayoralty AND his seat in Tooting in 2020.....
Most people sent so blinded by money as you think Roger, they are more interested in principles.
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I got libertarian which is accurate, the state should have minimal interference in our livesThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?
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I am Spartacus:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
What is it?
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We need the like button back.AlastairMeeks said:
I've always hoped that a bus company would venture into selling carpets, just to see the shop name "Underlay Arriva".TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping his name is Gonzalez.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
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Joking aside, this is a very good article of how wide and deep islamophobia is in America:
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9822452/muslim-islamophobia-trump0 -
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
:-)
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Putin: "Do you guys remember the days when our President was a clown?"Scott_P said:
The G7 with Boris, the Donald, Putin and Le Pen...TheScreamingEagles said:The first meeting between PM Boris and POTUS Trump should be a humdinger.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccSp0XnAGFUTheScreamingEagles said:
We need the like button back.AlastairMeeks said:
I've always hoped that a bus company would venture into selling carpets, just to see the shop name "Underlay Arriva".TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping his name is Gonzalez.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Speedy, your name vill also go on ze list!
What is it?
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Yep I got Libertarian as well. 90% on both social and economic issues.blackburn63 said:
I got libertarian which is accurate, the state should have minimal interference in our livesThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?0 -
I agree, a Benn led Labour party would most likely lose, the biggest factor for it's loss would be a complete abandonment by it's Labour voters. A secondary issue would be that Benn is an empty shell, there is nothing in it, pretty much like a bad egg.Mortimer said:
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
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It was only about a quarter of one billion, so a mere 1900 times more than the figure for Khan!Roger said:Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?
And why stop there? Why not say "£250 million from the leader of a rival party"!
Henry
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There are things that need to be grappled though. These peoples reactions havent come from nowhere. They've seen how islam is tearing apart the world. Though I doubt they do know, but Mosques and college islamic socities have (along with jails) been the cornerstone of extremist preaching and recruitment amongst resident populations.Speedy said:Joking aside, this is a very good article of how wide and deep islamophobia is in America:
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9822452/muslim-islamophobia-trump
In that context, their anger is understandable. It's only a phobia if the fear is irrational. There is nothing irrational about fearing a growth of islam within your own community.0 -
I got centrist, bordering on the liberal left.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I got Libertarian as well. 90% on both social and economic issues.blackburn63 said:
I got libertarian which is accurate, the state should have minimal interference in our livesThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?0 -
Some of my conservative acquaintances claim to be libertarian without any hint of irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I got Libertarian as well. 90% on both social and economic issues.blackburn63 said:
I got libertarian which is accurate, the state should have minimal interference in our livesThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?
Its a bit like claiming to be a socialist worker.
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Jim Pickard
Turns out Zac would resign as MP pre-May if Heathrow go-ahead @duncanpoundcake @krishgm But not resign as Mayor if they approve after May.0 -
Take it you don't like Benn then !!!Speedy said:
I agree, a Benn led Labour party would most likely lose, the biggest factor for it's loss would be a complete abandonment by it's Labour voters. A secondary issue would be that Benn is an empty shell, there is nothing in it, pretty much like a bad egg.Mortimer said:
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
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Mr. Eagles, one is less than surprised by that Heathrow stance of Goldsmith, and the Government.0
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''Joking aside, this is a very good article of how wide and deep islamophobia is in America:''
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What happens if Khan becomes Mayor, and the Heathrow go-ahead is decided after May ?TheScreamingEagles said:Jim Pickard
Turns out Zac would resign as MP pre-May if Heathrow go-ahead @duncanpoundcake @krishgm But not resign as Mayor if they approve after May.0 -
I'm a 'centrist' on that.blackburn63 said:
Some of my conservative acquaintances claim to be libertarian without any hint of irony.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I got Libertarian as well. 90% on both social and economic issues.blackburn63 said:
I got libertarian which is accurate, the state should have minimal interference in our livesThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?
Its a bit like claiming to be a socialist worker.0 -
LOL. Thats fantastic. I can honestly say I never thought of that before. :-)blackburn63 said:
"snip"Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I got Libertarian as well. 90% on both social and economic issues.blackburn63 said:
I got libertarian which is accurate, the state should have minimal interference in our livesThe_Apocalypse said:
I got Left Liberal (unsurprisingly)!BigRich said:Most political discussions, centred around the idea that positions is linear, operating around one Left right Axis. I thnk it is more complicated that that, but the best simple module is that of 2 axis, one for social attitudes and one for economic attitudes. crating a chess board square, or diamond shape, rather than I line.
I would recommend the 'Would smallest political quiz' where in 10 questions you can see where you stand on this square, link here: https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php#
It won't surprise anybody that I'm right in the Libertarian corner, Where are you?
Its a bit like claiming to be a socialist worker.0 -
"This is clearly right - Trump has to calculate that the number of people who voted Republican last time that he's frightening away, is significantly smaller than the white working class vote he's stripping away from the Dems. It assumes the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him while holding their nose because the alternative is Clinton. "
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Called that one ages ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Jim Pickard
Turns out Zac would resign as MP pre-May if Heathrow go-ahead @duncanpoundcake @krishgm But not resign as Mayor if they approve after May.0 -
The the vast majority of people who like Benn are currently residing on PB , the government benches of the house, and Liz Kendall's afternoon tea parties in Rochdale.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Take it you don't like Benn then !!!Speedy said:
I agree, a Benn led Labour party would most likely lose, the biggest factor for it's loss would be a complete abandonment by it's Labour voters. A secondary issue would be that Benn is an empty shell, there is nothing in it, pretty much like a bad egg.Mortimer said:
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
:-)
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The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.0 -
For anybody who is wondering how a Man like Trump could be in the pole position in the Republican Primary. can I recommend this Video, (its 8 Minuets)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55NxKENplG4
It takes a sidewise look, mostly at his position and language, rather than judgmental.0 -
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-house-republican-michael-mccaul-fears-terror-linked/story?id=35635873
This would indicate that the NCTC believes IS or other jihadi groups have deliberately attempted to place people in the refugee stream in order to infiltrate them into the US. Trump seems to be the only one listening to the alarm bells being rung by the intelligence community.
Amused to see Cameron attacking Trump, savaged by a sheep. Will the government still kowtow to Washington DC if Trump is elected President? His foreign policy positions seem the very repudiation of Cameron's hare brained neocon interventionism. Self funding sets a candidate free.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/donald-trump-is-much-derided-but-he-is-right-about-the-middle-east-a6698171.html
I also see the press is pushing that Monmouth poll of Iowa with its odd sampling criteria. The CNN Trump 33% Cruz 20% Rubio 11% seems more accurate. Still Iowa can throw up some odd results and should be ignored for projecting to the rest of the country.0 -
As a counterpoint to Speedy's video - take a look at this from Goldsmith University Islamic Society:
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Could hurt Goldsmith on accounts of duplicity.Pulpstar said:
Called that one ages ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Jim Pickard
Turns out Zac would resign as MP pre-May if Heathrow go-ahead @duncanpoundcake @krishgm But not resign as Mayor if they approve after May.0 -
I need new glasses - keep on reading 'Trump' as 'Turnip' - and not just MalcolmG 's posts0
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Speedy said:
I agree, a Benn led Labour party would most likely lose, the biggest factor for it's loss would be a complete abandonment by it's Labour voters. A secondary issue would be that Benn is an empty shell, there is nothing in it, pretty much like a bad egg.Mortimer said:
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
:-)
I think you're confusing voters and members again.
At the moment, the Corbyn leadership is belying Michel's implication that leaders are always more centrist than their party...
Or, thinking about it, maybe Corbyn is confirming it. The members of the labour party must be more left wing than Corbyn to vote for continued opposition so enthusiastically...0 -
murali_s said:
FPT:
The spewing of the endless unintelligible right-wing bile from Plato and her ilk is why quite a few people have left this site. However, I do believe in people articulating what they believe in (even if it makes little sense) so my advice to The Apocalypse is just ignore her posts.
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Quite an instructive spat on the other thread which shows how far to the right the centre of gravity is on here. An excellent newish (?) left of centre poster is told their opinion is not going to be listened to by the cognoscenti by one who claims to represent the way the site thinks...
Fortunately Apocalypse seems to be made of sterner stuff.
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Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.0 -
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved. 0 -
But the CBI want Heathrow and Cameron does not. And for me it strikes me as the wrong place to build a major airport hub.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.0 -
Haha! You replied a couple of minutes after I expected but no matter.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
In the link below posted by TSE Cameron promised not to play politics, now he he is blatantly delaying a decision and doing just that.
You keep defending him, I'll keep pointing out his deficiencies - deal?
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It is not often that the past of the Labour party looks like the future. But when people who are quoting Mao are in the leadership, the rules go out of the window.Speedy said:
The the vast majority of people who like Benn are currently residing on PB , the government benches of the house, and Liz Kendall's afternoon tea parties in Rochdale.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Take it you don't like Benn then !!!Speedy said:
I agree, a Benn led Labour party would most likely lose, the biggest factor for it's loss would be a complete abandonment by it's Labour voters. A secondary issue would be that Benn is an empty shell, there is nothing in it, pretty much like a bad egg.Mortimer said:
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
:-)
The only thing that can be said for Corbyn is that he stopped Burnham from winning.
Could you imagine? Eyelashes as leader of the opposition!
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If he doesn't want it why not make a decision?flightpath01 said:
But the CBI want Heathrow and Cameron does not. And for me it strikes me as the wrong place to build a major airport hub.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
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Wish you would stop doing that..Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.0 -
Leicester, not Rochdale!Speedy said:
The the vast majority of people who like Benn are currently residing on PB , the government benches of the house, and Liz Kendall's afternoon tea parties in Rochdale.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Take it you don't like Benn then !!!Speedy said:
I agree, a Benn led Labour party would most likely lose, the biggest factor for it's loss would be a complete abandonment by it's Labour voters. A secondary issue would be that Benn is an empty shell, there is nothing in it, pretty much like a bad egg.Mortimer said:
"Danny thinks a Benn led Labour Party would most likely lose against an Osborne led Tory party" - something like that?Danny565 said:
A Benn-led Labour would IMO have atleast a 40% chance of beating an Osborne-led Tories.Sean_F said:
It depends whether Labour replace Corbyn and McDonnell with people who are credible.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we have a recession, 2020 will be like 1992 with knobs on.Pulpstar said:
The 2015 election was decided off the back of a relatively benign economic background. You know how a recession can change political views.TheScreamingEagles said:Bitter much ?
Ten years of David Cameron makes the case for Jeremy Corbyn better than anyone
It's been ten years of failure and deceit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/ten-years-david-cameron-makes-case-jeremy-corbyn-better-anyone
Don't go laying Corbyn next PM at ~ 9-1 just yet...
Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the economic circumstances are, what the government does, Labour won't win the next election.
You can quote me on that.
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There are presumably limits on election expenditure and so personal wealth does not come into it. Is there any evidence that Goldsmith is funding himself?bondegezou said:
It was only about a quarter of one billion, so a mere 1900 times more than the figure for Khan!Roger said:Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?
And why stop there? Why not say "£250 million from the leader of a rival party"!
Henry
The inference is about influence. Money buying trade union influence.
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Well he's clearly kicked the can down the road for rather transparent mayoral reasons.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Anyway here he was happily in 2009:
The man the polls say will be the next Prime Minister has made a personal pledge that there will be no third runway at Heathrow - “No ifs, no buts”.
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/4694685.David_Cameron___No_third_runway___no_ifs__no_buts_/
"Promising" a decision by the end of the year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33341548
A daft thing to say considering Zac's position.
'Mr Goldsmith, the MP for Richmond Park, said he stood by his pledge to resign and trigger a by-election if Heathrow expansion was backed by the Conservative Party, but said he did not think this would happen.
"A decision in favour of Heathrow expansion is really just a decision in favour of delay and fudge," he added.'
It'll clearly go ahead once Zac has won or lost the mayoralty.0 -
Perhaps a good place for Khan to start his campaignbondegezou said:
It was only about a quarter of one billion, so a mere 1900 times more than the figure for Khan!Roger said:Do you really think it's effective to complain that the son of a bus driver should take £130,000 from the trade unions to help fund his mayoral campaign when the criticism comes from Zak Goldsmith who was bequeathed several billions by his late father?
And why stop there? Why not say "£250 million from the leader of a rival party"!
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Here we go, further fresh polling evidence that supports this thread:
PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls 21m21 minutes ago
Islamopobic views are a central feature of Trump's base in North Carolina: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/12/trump-getting-stronger-in-nc-islamophobia-helps-fuel-that-strength.html …
PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls 23m23 minutes ago
Trump has gained support in every NC poll we've done since July- 16% to 24% to 26% to 31% to now 33%: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/12/trump-getting-stronger-in-nc-islamophobia-helps-fuel-that-strength.html …
PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls 25m25 minutes ago
Our new NC poll- Trump 33, Cruz 16, Carson/Rubio 14. No one else over 5%: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/12/trump-getting-stronger-in-nc-islamophobia-helps-fuel-that-strength.html …0 -
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Peerage?0 -
Doing what?SimonStClare said:
Wish you would stop doing that..Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.0 -
Share the peerage with RN!JohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
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Come on then JohnO, defend Dave's Heathrow manoeuvringsJohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
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I'm not defending him, I'm attacking you. Your remark was just puerile. All leaders have to choose their battles and their timing.blackburn63 said:Haha! You replied a couple of minutes after I expected but no matter.
In the link below posted by TSE Cameron promised not to play politics, now he he is blatantly delaying a decision and doing just that.
You keep defending him, I'll keep pointing out his deficiencies - deal?
You might just as well say 'Cameron has exhibited extremely strong leadership, pushing through HS2, gay marriage, welfare reform, NHS reform, the bedroom tax, and his commitment to the aid budget, and resisting calls for an EU referendum before renegotiation, and resisting calls not to hold an EU referendum at all'.
Funnily enough, I don't think I've ever seen you say anything like that. I wonder why not.0 -
It's self evident. No need for me to interjectPulpstar said:
Come on then JohnO, defend Dave's Heathrow manouvreingsJohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Peerage?
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Has all the hallmarks of Osborne.Pulpstar said:
Come on then JohnO, defend Dave's Heathrow manoeuvringsJohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Peerage?
As we know Osborne is a genius and master strategist.
In George we trust.0 -
In Liz we Truss!TheScreamingEagles said:
Has all the hallmarks of Osborne.Pulpstar said:
Come on then JohnO, defend Dave's Heathrow manoeuvringsJohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Peerage?
As we know Osborne is a genius and master strategist.
In George we trust.0 -
''Here we go, further fresh polling evidence that supports this thread:''
That is only one state though, right?
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It's so amusingly transparent though. Or can the average man on the street not see out an open windowTheScreamingEagles said:
Has all the hallmarks of Osborne.Pulpstar said:
Come on then JohnO, defend Dave's Heathrow manoeuvringsJohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Peerage?
As we know Osborne is a genius and master strategist.
In George we trust. ? 0 -
Yes, I expect so. The best timing for a very tricky decision. Politics is the art of the possible.Pulpstar said:It'll clearly go ahead once Zac has won or lost the mayoralty.
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At least you're honest in attacking me ie playing the man not the ball.Richard_Nabavi said:
I'm not defending him, I'm attacking you. Your remark was just puerile. All leaders have to choose their battles and their timing.blackburn63 said:Haha! You replied a couple of minutes after I expected but no matter.
In the link below posted by TSE Cameron promised not to play politics, now he he is blatantly delaying a decision and doing just that.
You keep defending him, I'll keep pointing out his deficiencies - deal?
You might just as well say 'Cameron has exhibited extremely strong leadership, pushing through HS2, gay marriage, welfare reform, NHS reform, the bedroom tax, and his commiotment to the aid budget, and resisting calls for an EU referendum before renegotiation, and resisting calls not to hold an EU referendum at all'.
Funnily enough, I don't think I've ever seen you say anything like that. I wonder why not.
The link below points out clearly Cameron's view on Heathrow now for purely political reasons he's changing tack. As I previously said, I'm very happy to point out his shortcomings all the while you're prepared to slavishly worship his every move.
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They don't care and they don't notice.Pulpstar said:
It's so amusingly transparent though. Or can the average man on the street not see out an open windowTheScreamingEagles said:
Has all the hallmarks of Osborne.Pulpstar said:
Come on then JohnO, defend Dave's Heathrow manoeuvringsJohnO said:
Not while I'm around, sunshine.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Richard Nabavi - Cameron's loyal toady on PBRichard_Nabavi said:
Yawn.blackburn63 said:The CBI have accused Cameron of "a lack of leadership" over Heathrow.
Amazing how the penny is starting to drop.
How old are you? Haven't you yet worked out that people pushing for specific policies always say things like that?
I expect you know that, but your bizarre obsession with Cameron - which seems to be the most dominant factor in everything you ever post here - blinds you to it when he's involved.
Peerage?
As we know Osborne is a genius and master strategist.
In George we trust. ?
Only way they would notice it is if Cameron announced it whilst eating a bacon sandwich badly.0
