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I hope not. I think I might have allowed my detestation of Trump colour my betting portfolio.

I can only assume he wants to be unpopular and save himself from a Brewster's Millions scenario.

He's a very clever chap who plays the media like the Devil's Fiddle. He doesn't want the drudge of POTUS and all the limitations it entails.

Unfortunately, the more outrageous he becomes - the more the polls move in his favour.

Plato_Says said:

I can only assume he wants to be unpopular and save himself from a Brewster's Millions scenario.

He's a very clever chap who plays the media like the Devil's Fiddle. He doesn't want the drudge of POTUS and all the limitations it entails.

Unfortunately, the more outrageous he becomes - the more the polls move in his favour.

I like the Brewsters Millions analogy....as much as he tries to lose votes, he keeps gaining them.

Plato_Says said:

I can only assume he wants to be unpopular and save himself from a Brewster's Millions scenario.

He's a very clever chap who plays the media like the Devil's Fiddle. He doesn't want the drudge of POTUS and all the limitations it entails.

Unfortunately, the more outrageous he becomes - the more the polls move in his favour.

I seriously doubt the Donald revels in UNpopularity!

The Donald has to be the most successful Twitter Troll ever...5 million+ followers.

This is the old problem for the Republicans – the party base is much more likely to warm to a hard-line appeal when what’s needed to win the White House itself requires very different positioning.

I could swear Ive seen a similar phenomenon else where.....give me a minute...it'll come to me....

@The_Apocalypse
@Plato_Says

Somebody fetch the bikinis and mud!!

FrancisUrquhart said:

Plato_Says said:

I can only assume he wants to be unpopular and save himself from a Brewster's Millions scenario.

He's a very clever chap who plays the media like the Devil's Fiddle. He doesn't want the drudge of POTUS and all the limitations it entails.

Unfortunately, the more outrageous he becomes - the more the polls move in his favour.

I like the Brewsters Millions analogy....as much as he tries to lose votes, he keeps gaining them.

He should just come out in favour of abortion. He would be cast into the GOP Abyss in a matter of minutes.

I'm not dragging this into a new thread, so won't reply.

The_Apocalypse said:

Donald Trump saying this is so unsurprising. The only thing I'm shocked about is that this is a new statement from him, tbh.

FPT:

Plato_Says said:

Don't claim to know what PBers have thought over the years or their abundance before you joined this forum. It's very simple.

The_Apocalypse said:

@Plato_Says I know that 'many' have, that's why I mentioned it in my post to you. Just because it isn't an opinion which coincides with your own, doesn't mean it's not valid. It would be curious if all perspectives of the last 7 years of a political website were all the same.

You keep on mentioning 'stop digging'. I don't particularly agree with that assessment of my posts, much like you don't agree with other views of how PB was in the past.

I don't see why not; when many PBers have mentioned the site's changes several times in recent months. I don't see why I should reject their views, but yet accept your assessment of PB.

Pong said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sidney

New client staked £1000 to be candidate at 5/2,& £1000 to be President, 9/2, on Donald Trump in a Hill's Cambridgeshire shop today. #Trump

9/2 for POTUS?

That's criminal.

Indeed, as Pulpstar said on the previous thread, he's getting some free hospitality soon

Sigmund @Dair - who are we mere mortals to disagree?

TGOHF said:

Dair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

What a cock (Toby Young that is, not the mighty Michael Rosen).

twitter.com/MichaelRosenYes/status/674167045563502592

Part of the problem is the strong belief amongst some people in England that England equals the United Kingdom.

Another expert on what other people think...

ZZZ

felix said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I hope not. I think I might have allowed my detestation of Trump colour my betting portfolio.

I disagree with trump's comments but the sanctimonious liberal left hand-wringing today inside and outside the US irritates me almost as much. He is clearly articulating a widely held view and these silly blanket condemnations are invariably counter-productive.

No. It's simply that he's an idiot. He wants to shut down the Internet. I don't think that it's sanctimonious to point that out, whether you are politically on the left or right (and many on the right are doing just that).
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates
"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."

The_Apocalypse said:

@Plato_Says That's fine.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

@The_Apocalypse
@Plato_Says

Somebody fetch the bikinis and mud!!

Don't worry, it's all over now

Did you win? *puts special stirring spoon away again*

Has he beheaded anybody?
Has he blown up any airliners?
Has he enslaved girls from a slightly different sect?

No, no, and no again!

Anorak said:

The_Apocalypse said:

@Plato_Says That's fine.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

@The_Apocalypse
@Plato_Says

Somebody fetch the bikinis and mud!!

Don't worry, it's all over now

Did you win? *puts special stirring spoon away again*

I think that's a judgement that's in the eye of the beholder

Pong said:

Pulpstar said:

Pong said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sidney

New client staked £1000 to be candidate at 5/2,& £1000 to be President, 9/2, on Donald Trump in a Hill's Cambridgeshire shop today. #Trump

9/2 for POTUS?

That's criminal.

Yes, it's a shocking bet. It implies a 63% probability he'll beat Hilary if you think the 5-2 is also correct (It is skinny too).

What odds would you back trump at?

I can't put a convincing argument together to justify odds lower than 33/1 for POTUS & 10/1 for the NOM.

Still, I guess I missed a trick not foreseeing & then riding the trump surge. Perhaps his odds have further to fall?

I won't be betting on a phenomenon I don't understand.

;/

Back (Bet For)
Donald Trump 5.69 £38.00 £178.10

Lay (Bet Against)
Donald Trump 7.56 £58.00 £380.20

I have changed my mind a few times on the Donald...

He is my best result currently, due to Hills laying me £10 at 28-1 for the nomination mainly.

Why would you put him at ~ 10-1 for the nomination ?

Pulpstar said:

Tbh He'd have been better off putting £2000 on at 5-2 for the nomination.

Then plonking down £2500 on Trump once he's won the nomination.

He'd have been better of betting on betfair.

Or even better off not betting at all.

If said punter is lurking on PB, please do get in touch. I have a very special offer on some magic beans.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Has he beheaded anybody?
Has he blown up any airliners?
Has he enslaved girls from a slightly different sect?

No, no, and no again!

If that's the only way we are measuring people these days then most of us are brilliant!

My attempt at trolling TSE :

Trolling has to be subtle, I'm happy to give you lessons.

"You ain't no Muslim, Bruv!"

Guardian letter writing campaign should seal the deal for Trump.

My favourite Tory nails it via the medium of Shakespeare.

@RuthDavidsonMSP: So, twitter, we're all agreed? Trump's a clay-brained guts, knotty-pated fool, whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch, right?

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

What a cock (Toby Young that is, not the mighty Michael Rosen).

twitter.com/MichaelRosenYes/status/674167045563502592

Part of the problem is the strong belief amongst some people in England that England equals the United Kingdom.

Well.....they're 84% right.....which is a heck of a lot closer than the SNP were on oil revenue....

Joking apart, its an atrocious article from Toby Young - I'm surprised the Sun published it - it used to have far higher standards of writing - this comes across as a teenage stream of consciousness rant - he even tries to drag in Labour's 'open door' immigration policies as a factor in the decline of christianity - all those Catholic Poles aren't Christian too? Or is it only British born Christians Protestants that count?

Correction

felix said:

logical_song said:

felix said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I hope not. I think I might have allowed my detestation of Trump colour my betting portfolio.

I disagree with trump's comments but the sanctimonious liberal left hand-wringing today inside and outside the US irritates me almost as much. He is clearly articulating a widely held view and these silly blanket condemnations are invariably counter-productive.

No. It's simply that he's an idiot. He wants to shut down the Internet. I don't think that it's sanctimonious to point that out, whether you are politically on the left or right (and many on the right are doing just that).
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates
"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."

No doubt you'll still be wringing your hands when he has been sworn in.

No.

felix said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My favourite Tory nails it via the medium of Shakespeare.

@RuthDavidsonMSP: So, twitter, we're all agreed? Trump's a clay-brained guts, knotty-pated fool, whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch, right?

You have to wonder why a person leading a party fighting for 3rd place in Scotland thinks it's useful to spend time on twitter hurling personal abuse at a potential presdient. Does she really think this will win over the SNP vote to the blue surge.

Would be a mistake, Trump was besties with Salmond.

I wonder what attracted the narrow little nationalist to Trump?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/11/article-2099742-0449190A0000044D-768_470x288.jpg

Nota bene Sunil, that's how you troll

TheScreamingEagles said:

felix said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My favourite Tory nails it via the medium of Shakespeare.

@RuthDavidsonMSP: So, twitter, we're all agreed? Trump's a clay-brained guts, knotty-pated fool, whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch, right?

You have to wonder why a person leading a party fighting for 3rd place in Scotland thinks it's useful to spend time on twitter hurling personal abuse at a potential presdient. Does she really think this will win over the SNP vote to the blue surge.

Would be a mistake, Trump was besties with Salmond.

I wonder what attracted the narrow little nationalist to Trump?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/11/article-2099742-0449190A0000044D-768_470x288.jpg

Nota bene Sunil, that's how you troll

I'll take that into account the next time I mention your friends in IS.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

What a cock (Toby Young that is, not the mighty Michael Rosen).

twitter.com/MichaelRosenYes/status/674167045563502592

Part of the problem is the strong belief amongst some people in England that England equals the United Kingdom.

Well.....they're 84% right.....which is a heck of a lot closer than the SNP were on oil revenue....

Joking apart, its an atrocious article from Toby Young - I'm surprised the Sun published it - it used to have far higher standards of writing - this comes across as a teenage stream of consciousness rant - he even tries to drag in Labour's 'open door' immigration policies as a factor in the decline of christianity - all those Catholic Poles aren't Christian too? Or is it only British born Christians Protestants that count?

Correction

Only accepting Protestants as legitimate would rule out Anglicans, who are almost certainly not a Protestant congregation.

Trump: Parts of London 'so radicalised police are afraid for their own lives'

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-12-08/trump-parts-of-london-so-radicalised-police-are-afraid-for-their-own-lives/

Speaking to a regular media briefing in Westminster, Mr Cameron's official spokeswoman declined to say whether Mr Trump's comments might lead to him being barred from entry to the UK under hate-speech laws.

Also @Pong What was your estimate of the probability of Tory Majority just before the GE - you're an excellent bettor (Very well done on Oldham !), but are you sure you haven't let your anti-Trump prejudices cloud your judgement here a touch ?

Caroline Lucas steps away from Stop The War.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12039333/Caroline-Lucas-resigns-from-Stop-the-War-after-finding-herself-unable-to-support-groups-recent-positions.html

As for the claim that she did so a couple of weeks ago, it does seen risible, given that she was happy to sign a round robin letter on Novemeber 26th, and STW had also linked to her opposition at last Wednesday's debate. She could have given BBC Question Time a big scoop had she stepped away from STW during a TV programme.

Perhaps the opportunity to embarass Corbyn was too good to miss.

Scott_P said:

@Tigers2iron: Ive used The #SNP oil boom calculator to work out my projected earnings for 2016...It's £1.38million @annetteholliday will be delighted

Brent crude oil prices crash below $40 for the first time in seven years

http://www.cityam.com/230439/brent-crude-oil-prices-pull-away-from-nearly-seven-year-lows

Labour's shadow City minister Richard Burgon remains a man of mystery in the Square Mile

The closest this Leeds MP has come to a tete-a-tete with industry leaders is a letter from the CBI, who’ve asked for a meeting. However, Burgon appears to be in no hurry to acquiesce. A spokesman from the confederation admitted that coffee “has yet to be set up.”

http://www.cityam.com/230394/labours-shadow-city-minister-richard-burgon-remains-a-man-of-mystery-in-the-square-mile

Pong said:

Pulpstar said:

Tbh He'd have been better off putting £2000 on at 5-2 for the nomination.

Then plonking down £2500 on Trump once he's won the nomination.

He'd have been better of betting on betfair.

Or even better off not betting at all.

If said punter is lurking on PB, please do get in touch. I have a very special offer on some magic beans.

I can't understand why somebody playing with that amount of money wouldn't consult an odds-checker first, unless they were doing it on a whim. Even so, a weird whim.

Pulpstar said:

Also @Pong What was your estimate of the probability of Tory Majority just before the GE - you're an excellent bettor (Very well done on Oldham !), but are you sure you haven't let your anti-Trump prejudices cloud your judgement here a touch ?

I had Con Maj as about a 5% chance in the last few days of the campaign and bet on it at over 20/1 (highest odds were 25/1 on the evening of May 6th), as posted here;

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/06/another-3-polls-have-it-neck-and-neck/

Given all the evidence we had, Con Maj WAS a very unlikely outcome.

TGOHF said:

HoL throws out votes for 16-17 yo 's in the EU ref.

Good – now let’s increase the voting age to 21…



(Runs away and hides behind sofa.)

Sign here.....

Petition Seeks To Ban Donald Trump From U.K. Over Hate Speech

(Its not online yet,,,,,,)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-hate-speech-ban-uk_566631fee4b079b2818fe0eb?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&section=politics

CarlottaVance said:

Sign here.....

Petition Seeks To Ban Donald Trump From U.K. Over Hate Speech

(Its not online yet,,,,,,)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-hate-speech-ban-uk_566631fee4b079b2818fe0eb?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&section=politics

Oh god....Twitter mob at it again. Give it a few hours and the Guardian, BBC etc will be promoting it. Then when it hits 50,000, another report, rinse and repeat....

Funny how we don't here the same in regards to banning genuine hate preachers, just when it is the nasty right wingers like Trump and Geert Wilders.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour today stepped up its attack on Zac Goldsmith accusing him of running a “coded racist” mayoral campaign.

The party went on the offensive after a Tory “Who is Sadiq Khan?” video, criticising him over his Heathrow stance, union links and support for Jeremy Corbyn, led to a string of offensive comments on Facebook.

Labour also hit out at a Tory four-page newspaper that condemns Mr Khan as a “divisive and radical” politician.

Shadow employment minister Emily Thornberry said: “London is the most diverse and tolerant city in the world but Goldsmith and the Tories are running a divisive and dog-whistling campaign - trying to turn London’s communities against each other.”

A source close to Mr Khan branded the Tory campaign as “coded racist”.

http://bit.ly/1NTp47s

Playing the race card early I see...

What we need now is the calm rhetoric of George Galloway in this race.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour today stepped up its attack on Zac Goldsmith accusing him of running a “coded racist” mayoral campaign.

The party went on the offensive after a Tory “Who is Sadiq Khan?” video, criticising him over his Heathrow stance, union links and support for Jeremy Corbyn, led to a string of offensive comments on Facebook.

Labour also hit out at a Tory four-page newspaper that condemns Mr Khan as a “divisive and radical” politician.

Shadow employment minister Emily Thornberry said: “London is the most diverse and tolerant city in the world but Goldsmith and the Tories are running a divisive and dog-whistling campaign - trying to turn London’s communities against each other.”

A source close to Mr Khan branded the Tory campaign as “coded racist”.

http://bit.ly/1NTp47s

Thornberry is political box offfice poison. Her statement should sound reasonable, sadly she just sounds stupid. It's yet more vacuous rhetoric.

Oh Labour, where have all your people with real political heft gone? It's come to a pretty pass when Margaret Beckett is probably one of your titans.

I fail to see why we're about to ban Donald Trump when we've let Robert Mugabe and plenty of others in.

TheScreamingEagles said:

My favourite Tory nails it via the medium of Shakespeare.

@RuthDavidsonMSP: So, twitter, we're all agreed? Trump's a clay-brained guts, knotty-pated fool, whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch, right?

She's great. Is there a politician in the UK better at using twitter? I can't think of one. It needs brevity and wit. Very, very few politicians can manage either.

dyingswan said:

I trust that we are all going to the Stop the War Christmas dinner on Friday. I have just received the raffle prize list.
A candlelit dinner for two with Diane Abbott MP
A Game of Drones DVD box set Series 1-6
Hamper of organic vegetables from Jeremys allotment
Manhole cover from Jeremys collection,personally signed by him
Weekend break for two in Raqqa,flights courtesy of RAF
Meet the Masterchef. Vladimir Putin comes to your kitchen and demonstrates how to roast
Turkey.
Bring your own crackers. We all are.

The last sentence should be. Please don't bring crackers, we don't believe in explosives and besides we are all crackers anyway.

If Cameron wants to pour forth his mediocre soft left views on every water cooler issue, can he just resign and become a second-rate columnist please - he seems to forget he's actually Prime Minister and should sometimes (more often than not) keep his trap shut. He is the polar opposite of speaking quietly and wielding a big stick.

''Agreed. Hate preachers and nasty right-wing loons/fruitcakes should be treated equally. Ban them all!''

Nah, let them all speak. Total free speech. Let's know what everybody really thinks. Its much better that way.

The moment the BNP got airtime, that was the start of its decline.

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My favourite Tory nails it via the medium of Shakespeare.

@RuthDavidsonMSP: So, twitter, we're all agreed? Trump's a clay-brained guts, knotty-pated fool, whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch, right?

She's great. Is there a politician in the UK better at using twitter? I can't think of one. It needs brevity and wit. Very, very few politicians can manage either.

She should leave the Mother-in-law of Parliaments, and join the mother of all Parliaments.

Her tweet to Jim Murphy during the election summed up her awesomeness.

Completely of topic, but does anybody have any thoughts/opinion/predictions about how the elections for the Police and Crime commissioners, will go? They will be happening next may alongside many other elections.

A few observations from the last elections in Nov 2012:

Very low tern out, possibly because they where new and people did not fully understand, but I think also because there where no other elections on the same day, and being November it was cold and that may have deterred some people from voting.

The smaller party's, UKIP, LibDem and Green, did not contest all of the seats, 24,24 and 1 respectfully.

Independents did remarkably well, (compated to other elections) getting to the best 2 'run off' in 16 and winning 11.

Possible predictions for next time.

Higher tern out, especially as there will be locals elections in some of the places on the same day.

Miner party's more likely to put up more candida's, especially UKIP, in an attempt to show the parties Vitality.

This May Ironically take some votes for the independents, so more votes could come down to 'Con V Lab' in the 'Run Off'

This will allow each of the 2 big party's to gain some seats, and therefore clamed a victory of sorts. But the Power of incumbency will still have some effect and some of the currant independents will remain.

Because there will be more 'Con V Lab' Some of the Corbynistars will be shocked to discover that not everybody who voted other that Con in the first round automatically votes for Lab as second preference. But rather than sit down to think and analyse why that is, they will just declare everybody to be 'Tory Scum'

Any way, Love to hear anybody else's opinions, Link here for Wikipedia reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Wales_police_and_crime_commissioner_elections,_2012#Warwickshire_Police