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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    I shot this footage. Thanks to Tissue Price for alerting me to the footage.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    So he's clearly Malc then?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,818
    Ok which of you cyber nats is King Alex?? MalcolmG?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    PB the SNP's political blog of choice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    They clearly didn't listen to her advice...

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/669515044812664832
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    PB finally in hansard!
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    edited November 2015
    Dair, MalcG, Unniondivvie, DavidL and all the others from Scotland? No I am sure he is the much derided and absent 'chortle' Mickp0rk 'chortle'
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,603
    Brilliant! Well done Mike!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Just woke up so trying to catch up, but have the tax credit cuts been reversed entirely? Wow.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    edited November 2015
    Hopi Sen twitter feeds reads like somebody about to witness the most almighty of pile ups...

    what's he doing,
    he's pulled out a little red book,
    no don't say, no don't say Let's quote from Mao,
    oh god he has,
    sadness in their eyes....
    [RADIO SILENCE]

    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Await an infestation of cybernats!

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    RCS1000 - be interesting to see if there is a spike in Westminster visits to the site.

    Good to get such an establishment name check, he knew enough about it to indicate more than a passing interest.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,108
    RobD said:

    Just woke up so trying to catch up, but have the tax credit cuts been reversed entirely? Wow.

    Will be absorbed by Universal credit in the (Not so) long run.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    UK Google search traffic for “little red book” this week

    http://www.onemanandhisblog.com/archives/2015/11/uk-google-search-traffic-little-red-book-week.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Still can't believe the Shadow Chancellor stood up in the Commons today and quoted from a book written by the biggest mass murderer in history.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Does Salmond post on here as Dair?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Shadow Chancellor stood up in the Commons today and quoted from a book written by the biggest mass murderer in history.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html


    TBH with Laural and Hardy in charge nothing is becoming unbelievable. Last week, hug a Jahadi and send him to the naughty step, now quoting from a book by a mass murderer. Just another day in the weird world of the UK Labour Party circa 2015. It really makes Gordon Brown's time in charge, complete with all his PR disasters, pale into insignificance.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    FrancisUrquhart said:



    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.

    Hopi Sen has always been on the extreme right of the party.

    Ed Miliband is the centre of the party.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Since Alex Salmond reads this blog can I ask him to give his projection of the price of Brent Crude over the next 5 years and apologise to the House for his last one?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Casino_Royale said:

    Does Salmond post on here as Dair?

    :D !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    edited November 2015
    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:



    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.

    Hopi Sen has always been on the extreme right of the party.

    Ed Miliband is the centre of the party.
    I didn't mean it in terms of left / right politically, i meant it when he was involved in the day to day stuff. Maybe I should have said "at the heart", in his role as press officer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    So he's clearly Malc then?

    If Salmond had been on here under the guise of any of the well-known Nats, he'd have had three years warning of the issues that were going to trip up the YES campaign...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    So he's clearly Malc then?

    If Salmond had been on here under the guise of any of the well-known Nats, he'd have had three years warning of the issues that were going to trip up the YES campaign...
    But he, like the nat posters, ignored them :p
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,925
    Congrats to OGH and PB in general :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    flightpath01 said:

    Since Alex Salmond reads this blog can I ask him to give his projection of the price of Brent Crude over the next 5 years and apologise to the House for his last one?

    Are you going to ask for an apology from the Brent Crude Futures market as well?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,925
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,909
    Well done Mike and PB! :D
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Alistair said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Since Alex Salmond reads this blog can I ask him to give his projection of the price of Brent Crude over the next 5 years and apologise to the House for his last one?

    Are you going to ask for an apology from the Brent Crude Futures market as well?
    Were they also vying for independence, and claiming financial stability/certainty? I thought it was around so people could make money, regardless of the direction of price.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    That McMao will now be forced into saying Mao Was Bad is just another part of the fall out from this clusterfuck
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Shadow Chancellor stood up in the Commons today and quoted from a book written by the biggest mass murderer in history.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    http://www.lbc.co.uk/the-disgraceful-autumn-statement-policy-that-will-hit-students-120393
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    RobD said:

    Just woke up so trying to catch up, but have the tax credit cuts been reversed entirely? Wow.

    The real 'wow' might be that the projections are for quite a bit more in tax revenues.
    This seems to have given a bit of leeway to delay the tax credit welfare issue.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Well-done OGH – An awesome hat-tip for PB by Alex Salmond.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    flightpath01 said:

    RobD said:

    Just woke up so trying to catch up, but have the tax credit cuts been reversed entirely? Wow.

    The real 'wow' might be that the projections are for quite a bit more in tax revenues.
    This seems to have given a bit of leeway to delay the tax credit welfare issue.
    Hopefully he used the extra money to reduce the deficit, not fund scrapping cuts or new spending!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pong said:

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/the-disgraceful-autumn-statement-policy-that-will-hit-students-120393

    Making an enemy out of Martin Lewis is not smart politics.

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/who-will-influence-the-eu-referendum-martin-lewis-not-june-sarpong/
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Brilliant. By @Adamstoon1 https://t.co/TbRhspk0nH
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Angela Eagle on McDonnell's Mao moment: "I don't know whether it was funny or not. I think it probably backfired a bit." via @bbc5live
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    @FrancisUrquhart

    Given McDonnell's love of Mao's Red Book, I suppose that someone on The Labour benches might recall Mr Tucker. "If some cunt can fuck something up, that cunt will pick the worst possible time to fucking fuck it up cause that cunt's a cunt."

    But it will be expressed in a more refined manner.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Guido
    @LabourPress Can you confirm that it was @SeumasMilne's copy of the Red Book which he has treasured since Winchester? On deadline. Thanks.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,909
    Plato_Says said:

    That McMao will now be forced into saying Mao Was Bad is just another part of the fall out from this clusterfuck

    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Shadow Chancellor stood up in the Commons today and quoted from a book written by the biggest mass murderer in history.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

    What chance he comes up with a load of weasel words that manage to avoid saying that Mao was bad. So the journalist will ask the question a different way and he'll again avoid saying a bad word about Mao.

    As Laurel and Hardy might once have said, that's another fine mess...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    So he's clearly Malc then?

    If Salmond had been on here under the guise of any of the well-known Nats, he'd have had three years warning of the issues that were going to trip up the YES campaign...
    And did they listen?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Malcolm Tucker’s response to the Chairman Moa stunt will be published after the watershed.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Casino_Royale said:

    Does Salmond post on here as Dair?

    No, that;s Captain Pugwash
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,075
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    edited November 2015
    Heidi Allen MP ‏@heidiallen75 8m8 minutes ago
    @paulwaugh @SMcPartlandMP @nicholaswatt I am very happy, but prefer to clap rather than bang wood....

    Finbarr Saunders and his double entendres...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SimonStClare said:

    Malcolm Tucker’s response to the Chairman Moa stunt will be published after the watershed.

    It was on the previous thread...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Can I just check the spin line. 'Loyal' shadow cabinet members are being instructed to appear on national media armed with the following

    "The Shadow Chancellor's response to the Autumn Statement was a joke"
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: McDonnell to @BenBrownBBC on milions of deaths under Mao: of course I condemn all that
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    I see the headline in the Telegraph is:

    "Autumn statement ushers in the end of austerity"

    Given that we still have a structural deficit of about £70bn per annum that may not actually be good news.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pong said:

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/the-disgraceful-autumn-statement-policy-that-will-hit-students-120393

    Making an enemy out of Martin Lewis is not smart politics.

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/who-will-influence-the-eu-referendum-martin-lewis-not-june-sarpong/
    Another unforced error from George.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    So everyone is talking about Chairman Mao and PBdotcom. Pretty disastrous autumn statement then.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    I have been stuck in court all day and am somewhat bemused at the headlines. The WTC cuts cancelled or at least postponed to 2018? I really did not see that coming. And a lot more money for housing and some more money for the police (actually quite a small amount)? I am bemused that he thinks he has this amount to play with when the month on month figures for the deficit have not been great.

    And McDonnell made a tit of himself? Well that at least was predictable.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    South Georgia 1982? Though as it was tied up alongside at the time I am not sure that partially sunk is the correct term.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    flightpath01 said:

    So everyone is talking about Chairman Mao and PBdotcom. Pretty disastrous autumn statement then.

    In other news Hunt seems to have agreed to arbitration in the Junior doctors dispute.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12016635/Junior-doctors-strike-Government-agrees-to-talks-at-Acas.html
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SebastianEPayne: John McDonnell's team have edited out the Mao bit from their video of his #spendingreview response #streisandeffect https://t.co/o8LaNi2UPx
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: McDonnell to @BenBrownBBC on milions of deaths under Mao: of course I condemn all that

    Just badly advised and all the other stuff wasn't bad?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    DavidL said:

    I have been stuck in court all day and am somewhat bemused at the headlines. The WTC cuts cancelled or at least postponed to 2018? I really did not see that coming. And a lot more money for housing and some more money for the police (actually quite a small amount)? I am bemused that he thinks he has this amount to play with when the month on month figures for the deficit have not been great.

    And McDonnell made a tit of himself? Well that at least was predictable.

    Osborne suffers Brown's fear of a bad headline.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    When in a hole, keep digging. It's hard to believe that they're not doing it deliberately to try to provoke resignations.

    Alex Wickham ‏@WikiGuido
    Amazing. McDonnell tweets out video of his speech but WIPES Mao section! http://order-order.com/2015/11/25/mcdonnell-wipes-mao-from-official-video-of-speech/
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Given that we still have a structural deficit of about £70bn per annum that may not actually be good news. ''


    I couldn't possibly comment.

    http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/the_spending_review_was_a_big_missed_opportunity
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    "John McDonnell says today is the day George Osborne promised that the deficit would be eliminated, but it is currently more than £70m. He's failed in his fiscal targets, he adds."

    Just 70m, the boy wonder is doing much much better than I thought on the deficit reduction...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,909
    O/T, but looks like Tim Yeo will be on the receiving end of one of Carter-Ruck's famously high bills after the High Court decided that the Sunday Times didn't libel him.
    http://order-order.com/2015/11/25/tim-yeo-guidos-part-in-his-downfall-part-94/
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Aides to McDonnell are now complaining that they are reporting his stunt.

    Umm...
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Osborne suffers Brown's fear of a bad headline. ''

    Genuine low tax tories will be absolutely gutted by today's measures.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The headlines just write themselves...

    @robertshrimsley: "Osborne relaxed. Someone had taken a great leap backwards and somehow, miraculously, it turned out not to be him." https://t.co/Fd7ztDIYHS

    @GdnPolitics: John McDonnell's great leap forward puts Osborne one step ahead https://t.co/bVjgBL8lwU
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,066
    Salmond quotes Mike. McDonnel quotes Mao.

    The Long March starts here



  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,075
    HurstLlama said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    South Georgia 1982? Though as it was tied up alongside at the time I am not sure that partially sunk is the correct term.
    Yep. I think it was partly listing after the helicopter attack, so I call that 'partially sunk'.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    edited November 2015
    DavidL said:

    I have been stuck in court all day and am somewhat bemused at the headlines. The WTC cuts cancelled or at least postponed to 2018? I really did not see that coming. And a lot more money for housing and some more money for the police (actually quite a small amount)? I am bemused that he thinks he has this amount to play with when the month on month figures for the deficit have not been great.

    And McDonnell made a tit of himself? Well that at least was predictable.

    We can all play Santa with big numbers.

    I'm going to wait for the detailed analysis before I reach a final judgement on this budget. But I fear Osborne is being led by public opinion rather than leading it - which is a road to nowhere.

    If these forecasts look like they're not panning out in 18 months then all these cuts could be back on the table again, and possibly more to boot, and it may be even tougher for him given he's ceded the political argument.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    I have been stuck in court all day and am somewhat bemused at the headlines. The WTC cuts cancelled or at least postponed to 2018? I really did not see that coming. And a lot more money for housing and some more money for the police (actually quite a small amount)? I am bemused that he thinks he has this amount to play with when the month on month figures for the deficit have not been great.

    And McDonnell made a tit of himself? Well that at least was predictable.

    Osborne suffers Brown's fear of a bad headline.
    It certainly does seem that Cameron and Osborne are determined to govern in the same manner as Blair and Brown. One can only hope that their administration will not be quite as awful for the nation as was that of their seeming role models.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited November 2015
    ''I am bemused that he thinks he has this amount to play with when the month on month figures for the deficit have not been great.''

    He doesn't. And when the finances are all at sea in a year's time, the public will realise George Osborne will never close the deficit, if he had fifty years to do it.

    More importantly, so will the markets.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    flightpath01 said:

    So everyone is talking about Chairman Mao and PBdotcom. Pretty disastrous autumn statement then.

    Some people will remember the Mao quote longer than the Autumn Statement.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,541
    AndyJS said:

    Still can't believe the Shadow Chancellor stood up in the Commons today and quoted from a book written by the biggest mass murderer in history.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

    It was mass murder in a noble cause.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,925
    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''It certainly does seem that Cameron and Osborne are determined to govern in the same manner as Blair and Brown.''

    Voters might very well conclude that whatever party you vote for you get social democracy. Social democracy light, or social democracy heavy.

    Nothing else is on the table.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    AndyJS said:

    flightpath01 said:

    So everyone is talking about Chairman Mao and PBdotcom. Pretty disastrous autumn statement then.

    Some people will remember the Mao quote longer than the Autumn Statement.
    What Mao quote?
    The thing I remember is a U-Turn on Tax Credits.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    taffys said:

    ''Osborne suffers Brown's fear of a bad headline. ''

    Genuine low tax tories will be absolutely gutted by today's measures.

    Yes I'm a little puzzled by the tax credit reversal. If they are going to be abolished anyway (and incorporated into the universal credit) won't it have the same effect on low wage workers as the original proposal?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,925
    Roger said:

    Salmond quotes Mike. McDonnel quotes Mao.

    Cultural Devolution?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Casino_Royale said:

    DavidL said:

    I have been stuck in court all day and am somewhat bemused at the headlines. The WTC cuts cancelled or at least postponed to 2018? I really did not see that coming. And a lot more money for housing and some more money for the police (actually quite a small amount)? I am bemused that he thinks he has this amount to play with when the month on month figures for the deficit have not been great.

    And McDonnell made a tit of himself? Well that at least was predictable.

    We can all play Santa with big numbers.

    I'm going to wait for the detailed analysis before I reach a final judgement on this budget. But I fear Osborne is being led by public opinion rather than leading it - which is a road to nowhere.

    If these forecasts look like they're not panning out in 18 months then all these cuts could be back on the table again, and possibly more to boot.
    Oh most definitely, and if we hit the next recession before 2020 Osborne is going to look a proper Charlie (what was it used to say about Brown not fixing the roof whilst the sun was shining?). Mind you, such is the state of the Labour Party he will probably get away with it even if the economy does go tits up.

    Politically he maybe on to a winner but for the health and well being of the Nation he is a useless fecker.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    HurstLlama said:

    I see the headline in the Telegraph is:

    "Autumn statement ushers in the end of austerity"

    Given that we still have a structural deficit of about £70bn per annum that may not actually be good news.

    There has never been any 'austerity' as generally categorised. The government has always been quite cautious about cutting expenditure and expenditure will continue to cut at pretty much the same rate. I am not sure that many areas in the public sector are going to say that the era of cuts is over.
    The OBR may be wrong but they have probably got a better handle on things than you or me and they continue to predict a fall in the deficit leading to a surplus as previously.

    Sadly McDonnell seems arthritically incompetent.
  • madasafishmadasafish Posts: 659
    taffys said:

    ''Osborne suffers Brown's fear of a bad headline. ''

    Genuine low tax tories will be absolutely gutted by today's measures.

    Anyone who thinks you can cure a deficit of £130B a year by only cutting spending must live in a different world.. Try doing it in 5 years and you'll never be in office again..

    (see the poll tax riots)
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    A couple of fishing boats off the west coast?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,909
    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/669572623798558720
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    I think several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,925
    JosiasJessop said:

    HurstLlama said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    South Georgia 1982? Though as it was tied up alongside at the time I am not sure that partially sunk is the correct term.
    Yep. I think it was partly listing after the helicopter attack, so I call that 'partially sunk'.
    On 25 April, after resupplying the Argentine garrison in South Georgia, the submarine ARA Santa Fe was spotted on the surface[62] by a Westland Wessex HAS Mk 3 helicopter from HMS Antrim, which attacked the Argentine submarine with depth charges. HMS Plymouth launched a Westland Wasp HAS.Mk.1 helicopter, and HMS Brilliant launched a Westland Lynx HAS Mk 2. The Lynx launched a torpedo, and strafed the submarine with its pintle-mounted general purpose machine gun; the Wessex also fired on Santa Fe with its GPMG. The Wasp from HMS Plymouth as well as two other Wasps launched from HMS Endurance fired AS-12 ASM antiship missiles at the submarine, scoring hits. Santa Fe was damaged badly enough to prevent her from diving. The crew abandoned the submarine at the jetty at King Edward Point on South Georgia.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    The Argie one in South Georgia? (Santa Fe?)

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    I think several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
    I assume the sub was simply too high and hit the bottom of the trawler, rather than firing it's torpedos!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,940
    McDonnell is just hopeless. He just makes Osborne look like an economic genius in contrast to his daft ramblings. I suspect he pulled out the little red book to ensure that noone paid much attention to what else he said. I don't think he understands that wishful thinking isn't a very effective policy device.

    Still our thoughts today should be with the 4.1 children that still live in absolute poverty.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    They have taken out, ahem, a few whales too....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:



    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.

    Hopi Sen has always been on the extreme right of the party.

    Ed Miliband is the centre of the party.
    Then the party is doomed. Ed Miliband was deemed completely unelectable by the nation.

    When is the last time someone you deem centre of Labour won a UK election?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @Ominium

    "... I don't think he understands that wishful thinking isn't a very effective policy device."

    Osborne seems to get by on it .
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    I think several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
    I assume the sub was simply too high and hit the bottom of the trawler, rather than firing it's torpedos!
    Several died in this one:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/submarine-crew-blamed-for-sinking-of-antares-1532324.html

    Some of the other trawler losses are a bit more mysterious.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    The Argie one in South Georgia? (Santa Fe?)

    Oops. Note to self, refresh and read down the thread before commenting
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    RobD said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    I think several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
    I assume the sub was simply too high and hit the bottom of the trawler, rather than firing it's torpedos!
    Haven't some subs fouled a trawler's nets and tipped them over?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Slackbladder said:

    Ok which of you cyber nats is King Alex?? MalcolmG?

    He certainly is not Dair. Salmond calls himself a Socialist. Dair most certainly is not.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,180
    Well done Mike.

    What was Osborne's response? The clip unfortunately doesn't include it!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hopi Sen twitter feeds reads like somebody about to witness the most almighty of pile ups...

    what's he doing,
    he's pulled out a little red book,
    no don't say, no don't say Let's quote from Mao,
    oh god he has,
    sadness in their eyes....
    [RADIO SILENCE]

    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.

    Who is this Hopi Sen that PB Tories are so excited about ?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,940
    HurstLlama said:

    @Ominium

    "... I don't think he understands that wishful thinking isn't a very effective policy device."

    Osborne seems to get by on it .

    That's not true though is it. Osborne has presided over a really quite substantial reduction in the deficit. Perhaps it's mostly luck, but he has delivered at least in part on the goals he set himself. Those goals were pretty vital for us as a nation too.

    I don't like at all the way he allows the deadlines to slide, and I'm really disappointed that he hasn't found a way to kill off welfare as a pillar of society. (I'm all for mitigating the impact in the short term, but the long term ambition should have been retained.)

    Osborne has overall done a fair job in difficult circumstances. Would you really want McDonnell in his place?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    I think several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
    I assume the sub was simply too high and hit the bottom of the trawler, rather than firing it's torpedos!
    I think the
    RobD said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
    I assume the sub was simply too high and hit the bottom of the trawler, rather than firing it's torpedos!
    I think the subs simply went through the nets and quite literally pulled the trawlers down.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Jeremy Corbyn is being kept away from campaigning ahead of next week’s Oldham West by-election because of concerns he is “toxic” among voters, according to a Labour MP."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12014388/Wheres-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-leader-hardly-seen-in-Oldham-West-and-Royton-by-election.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    edited November 2015
    surbiton said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hopi Sen twitter feeds reads like somebody about to witness the most almighty of pile ups...

    what's he doing,
    he's pulled out a little red book,
    no don't say, no don't say Let's quote from Mao,
    oh god he has,
    sadness in their eyes....
    [RADIO SILENCE]

    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.

    Who is this Hopi Sen that PB Tories are so excited about ?
    Am I supposed to be a PB Tory now? Weird. Two weeks ago I was giving the government both barrels over snoopers charter, and today I rubbishing Osborne's deficit reduction claims.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    surbiton said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hopi Sen twitter feeds reads like somebody about to witness the most almighty of pile ups...

    what's he doing,
    he's pulled out a little red book,
    no don't say, no don't say Let's quote from Mao,
    oh god he has,
    sadness in their eyes....
    [RADIO SILENCE]

    I remember the day when the likes of Hopi were in the "centre" of the Labour Party, now he must feel like the weird outsider in his own party.

    Who is this Hopi Sen that PB Tories are so excited about ?
    He's someone who called for Liz Kendall to be PM.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    RobD said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Await an infestation of cybernats!

    FPT


    Air to air victories in that list, the one I posted:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
    Here's a well-known one that's been discussed on here: when was the last time a submarine was partly sunk by an aircraft?
    Belgrano was the only ship sunk by a nuclear submarine.
    I think several trawlers too. Not intentionally though.
    I assume the sub was simply too high and hit the bottom of the trawler, rather than firing it's torpedos!
    Haven't some subs fouled a trawler's nets and tipped them over?
    Indeed -The trawler Antares was sunk by a trafalgar-class submarine, HMS Trenchant 20 odd years ago. - There’s been lots of speculation as to the sinking of other fishing vessels over the years, but more often than not it is attributed to high seas.
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