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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNAGarethoftheVale2 said:
I'm glad to see Hollande gets it. This could be incredibly damaging for Labour. They are already seen as being on the wrong side of public opinion in 3 key areas - austerity, immigration and welfare. They can hardly afford to add a 4th to the list - national securityRazedabode said:I see France going all out against ISIS now. While good ole Jeremy is going about talking absolute rubbish. Its clear he would never use military force, and his political judgement and timing has been downright awful. The blokes beginning to make my blood boil. Labour need to get rid. And fast.
The Reagan ad from the 80s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_in_the_woods shows how being seen as weak on national security can be very damaging indeed0 -
You may not have noticed but since the abolition of the PCTs and the creation of the CCGs NHS units across the country have started going deeply in the red financially. There's no money left for a 7 day NHS.HurstLlama said:
It is unclear to me how the replacement of PCTs with CCGs has caused the problem of a lack of medical staff at weekends. A problem which from personal experience goes back many years. Perhaps you could enlighten us.Alistair said:
Do we think the public will blame politicians for their top down re-organisation of the NHS that created the CCGs that have got us in this mess?MarqueeMark said:A surprisingly simplistic thread. Do we think the public blame politicians for the much poorer health outcomes at weekends? Do we think the public will blame politician for trying to do something to remedy those poor outcomes?
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By the sounds of it if Corbyn was in charge, he would ask the SAS to invite a suicide bomber to have a friendly chat over a soya latte rather than engage and neutralize him.0
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PoliticsHome VERIFIED ACCOUNT @politicshome 2 hrs2 hours ago
Corbyn on Isis: "At the end of the day all wars have to end by political discussion." #skynews
Funny.. I can't remember when WW2 ended with 'political discussion'.0 -
I wonder if there is a misstep here from Nicola - going all" Corbyn " - does the self appointed "bestest in the world compassion" of Natland really reflect the population North of the border right now ?Scott_P said:
It is a fascinating piece. Predictably the zoomers have responded by complaining about 'the Vow'...antifrank said:We haven't had enough about Scottish independence recently. Here's a trenchant attack on the SNP's handling of the politics of the independence debate:
http://rattle.scot/snp-independence-is-dead-start-again-or-shut-up
What makes it interesting is the identity of its author, who was Alex Salmond's former head of policy.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14034562.Refugees_deserve_compassion_says_Nicola_Sturgeon/
"She said: “I urge people not to let these terrorists win by dividing us and driving a wedge between the multi-cultural society Scotland is home to."
"Humza Yousaf, External Affairs Minister and Michael Matheson, Justice Secretary, joined the First Minister at the central Mosque to show support for the Muslim communities in Scotland.
Ms Sturgeon said: “I have seen with my own eyes in the aftermath of past terrorist atrocities that our Muslim community often feel a double burden.
“They feel the same shock and horror and revulsion that we do, but they've also got to cope with knowing that there are some who would point the finger of blame at them.”"0 -
Cuddles and conversation? Yes, that will work.FrancisUrquhart said:By the sounds of it if Corbyn was in charge, he would ask the SAS to invite a suicide bomber to have a friendly chat over a soya latte rather than engage and neutralize him.
Corbyn's dangerous.0 -
Milne was touted as a politican media titan, wasn't he?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023
Perhaps I have typed to many letters in one of those words.0 -
The Labour leader told the BBC such an approach could "often be counter-productive".
To what, exactly?? I'm stumped here, are terrorist lives whilst gunning down Average Joe somehow sacrosanct?Scott_P said:@thomasknox: Let me get this right. If ISIS attacked us the way they attacked France, prime minister Jeremy Corbyn would NOT retaliate. Is that correct?
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No just poorly expressed as I said earlier :MikeSmithson said:
"Actually his point was sound if poorly expressed. Once they have adult rights they ain't children. Oops - something the liberal left forgot to think of. "0 -
Well it is facing various goat herders and religous loons in the desert, not the British Army now !HurstLlama said:
Sorry, beating the snot out of some poorly trained band of camel herders and nomads doesn't really count as a war and it was wars not police actions that I was talking about.Pulpstar said:
The most recent conflict against a similiar opponent to IS (Northern Mali) was a victory for the French.HurstLlama said:
Which might be why the Frogs have been thumped in every war they have fought for the last two hundred and odd years (and a not a few before that).Pulpstar said:
In France, there is no God, there is no King, there is only 'Country'.CD13 said:As expected, Hollande is no left wing patsy.
But as expected, Jezza is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_involving_France_in_modern_history0 -
To what, exactly?? I'm stumped here, are terrorist lives whilst gunning down Average Joe somehow sacrosanct?Plato_Says said:The Labour leader told the BBC such an approach could "often be counter-productive".
Scott_P said:@thomasknox: Let me get this right. If ISIS attacked us the way they attacked France, prime minister Jeremy Corbyn would NOT retaliate. Is that correct?
@DPJHodges: Even for Corbyn, this is utterly unbelievable. Watch. https://t.co/C44u8G5eX9
Head back to your allotments, and prepare to garden.0 -
Rennard has already faced down Clegg, and the coterie of witch-hunters previously. Farron's got no chance. Instead, he should tell the malcontents to shut-up or leave. What part don't they understand about "The Rennard matter is closed"?Scott_P said:@MichaelLCrick: I'm told Tim Farron twice told Chris Rennard to resign from Lib Dem Fed Exec; 2nd time with a deadline of 9pm last Friday. Rennard refused
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There was a discussion between Donitz and the Allies in 1945. Some things may have happened previously, but they are hardly relevant.Slackbladder said:PoliticsHome VERIFIED ACCOUNT @politicshome 2 hrs2 hours ago
Corbyn on Isis: "At the end of the day all wars have to end by political discussion." #skynews
Funny.. I can't remember when WW2 ended with 'political discussion'.
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Doesn't the Yougov poll have the slight problem of having been undertaken during the civil war? In which case, perhaps you can see some problems with sampling (leaving aside the generic problems with polling we've seen in this country).Luckyguy1983 said:Yes, the 'ones' pre 2012 - not sure what being a 'one party state' has to do with it. I've heard some accusations against Yougov before, but being puppets of the Assad regime is not one of them.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda
55% as Presedential candidate is pretty resounding I'd say, leaving as it does 45% to be divided amongst everyone else.
It it's so silly, why be so insistent against Assad standing? Not only has he (according to the US) 'gassed his own people', he's also only the leader of a minority Alawite sect, ruling the dissatisfied majority by fear. So why not see him utterly electorally humiliated? Unless he actually commands a majority amongst Sunnis too. Unless Syrian's support their President, and want to keep Syria, rather than become a Muslim Balkans
The last ones pre-2012 were run in 2007, where about two-thirds of the seats were 'reserved' for Assad's party, and other parties willing to accept Ba'athite rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_parliamentary_election,_2007
And if you're talking about the 2007 presidential election, you might like to look at the terms under which it was held. I don't really favour the 'Hobson's Choice' electoral system myself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2007
It makes Burma's electoral system look positively enlightened.
I can understand why someone who backs Putin's interests at every opportunity would quite like Syria's political system.
Oh, and why might people vote out of fear of Assad:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/images-syrian-torture-shock-new-yorkers-united-nations0 -
He's a total prick.Scott_P said:@thomasknox: Let me get this right. If ISIS attacked us the way they attacked France, prime minister Jeremy Corbyn would NOT retaliate. Is that correct?
@DPJHodges: Even for Corbyn, this is utterly unbelievable. Watch. https://t.co/C44u8G5eX90 -
Staggering - what on earth do his MPs, shadow cabinet- and yes, even some party members make of thisScott_P said:@thomasknox: Let me get this right. If ISIS attacked us the way they attacked France, prime minister Jeremy Corbyn would NOT retaliate. Is that correct?
@DPJHodges: Even for Corbyn, this is utterly unbelievable. Watch. https://t.co/C44u8G5eX90 -
GPs and Private Finance companies have wrung the NHS dry !Alistair said:
You may not have noticed but since the abolition of the PCTs and the creation of the CCGs NHS units across the country have started going deeply in the red financially. There's no money left for a 7 day NHS.HurstLlama said:
It is unclear to me how the replacement of PCTs with CCGs has caused the problem of a lack of medical staff at weekends. A problem which from personal experience goes back many years. Perhaps you could enlighten us.Alistair said:
Do we think the public will blame politicians for their top down re-organisation of the NHS that created the CCGs that have got us in this mess?MarqueeMark said:A surprisingly simplistic thread. Do we think the public blame politicians for the much poorer health outcomes at weekends? Do we think the public will blame politician for trying to do something to remedy those poor outcomes?
Not to mention the massively overgenerous pension plans and cost creating reorganisations every 5 years...0 -
Head back to your allotments, and prepare to garden.Pulpstar said:
To what, exactly?? I'm stumped here, are terrorist lives whilst gunning down Average Joe somehow sacrosanct?Plato_Says said:The Labour leader told the BBC such an approach could "often be counter-productive".
Scott_P said:@thomasknox: Let me get this right. If ISIS attacked us the way they attacked France, prime minister Jeremy Corbyn would NOT retaliate. Is that correct?
@DPJHodges: Even for Corbyn, this is utterly unbelievable. Watch. https://t.co/C44u8G5eX9
Corbyn hiding in his shed, pretending he can't hear the sounds of gunshots and beheadings.0 -
Okay, here's Eric Schmidt, executive chairman of Google, saying the same thing. A lot of people who work in technology think this is coming. Self-driving cars are obviously going to cause problems for those who drive a vehicle for a living, and artificial intelligence is getting amazingly good these days. What will it be like in 10 years time?
Read this about a week ago, one for the philosophers, programmers and mathematicians.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/542626/why-self-driving-cars-must-be-programmed-to-kill/0 -
Why hasn't the Pope called another crusade?
Were previous Popes wrong? Hang on, they can't have been!
If you're a moderate Muslim then you should be funding (and participating in) the kicking the shit out of ISIS. If you don't then everyone else will.
Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia need to jointly act.
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Translation: Corbyn is happy to let you die rather than confront terrorism.0
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Whatever Laura K's advice was to Jezza's spin team the other week, I some how doubt it was what we have seen today. From discussions of the latest edition of manhole cover weekly to advocating the SAS hug a Jahadi.0
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Technology Party?
I do not care what the chairman of Google says in pursuit of his own commercial interests. The notion of 'driverless vehicles' is bunkum. Frankly it is so transparently bunkum that I cannot be bothered to list the problems both technological, practical and legal as well as socially they would have to overcome.0 -
Thanks Dimitry. Please come and say hello on the forum. Like I said, we're looking for key people, and also trying to build a community, so please get involved in any way you can!Dimitry said:At last! As a long term lurker and very occasional commenter on this site, this is exactly the way I think things should go. Evidence based decisions free of tiresome and blinkered left-right-religious slanted preconceived positions. Almost assured my vote. Bring it on.
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For the first time it's making me wonder about the Oldham by-election - I mean they can read up there.FrancisUrquhart said:Whatever Laura K's advice was to Jezza's spin team the other week, I some how doubt it was what we have seen today. From discussions of the latest edition of manhole cover weekly to advocating the SAS hug a Jahadi.
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I'm no wall flower when it comes to females sticking it to Rennard types - but WTF are hand wringers in LD ranks doing here? Who is voting for him?
Another oily slug any Party shoud be ashamed of. The LDs are a pathetic Party on so many levels. This is just more evidence. They need a very long and hard look at themselves.
Illiberal Democrats has rarely been so accurate.RodCrosby said:
Rennard has already faced down Clegg, and the coterie of witch-hunters previously. Farron's got no chance. Instead, he should tell the malcontents to shut-up or leave. What part don't they understand about "The Rennard matter is closed"?Scott_P said:@MichaelLCrick: I'm told Tim Farron twice told Chris Rennard to resign from Lib Dem Fed Exec; 2nd time with a deadline of 9pm last Friday. Rennard refused
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Tesla are already into real world beta testing of this. The official line is that you shouldn't use driverless on a public road... but people are happily posting the (Not always perfect) results to Youtube !flightpath01 said:Technology Party?
I do not care what the chairman of Google says in pursuit of his own commercial interests. The notion of 'driverless vehicles' is bunkum. Frankly it is so transparently bunkum that I cannot be bothered to list the problems both technological, practical and legal as well as socially they would have to overcome.0 -
Milne's having the sort of day, which Ingram and Campbell would have never had. Distracted by manhole cover collecting, then Corbyn fouling up almost every interview since lunchtime to-day. The Guardian must have known they were well rid of him.FrancisUrquhart said:Whatever Laura K's advice was to Jezza's spin team the other week, I some how doubt it was what we have seen today. From discussions of the latest edition of manhole cover weekly to advocating the SAS hug a Jahadi.
Milne can't spin to save his boss's career.0 -
The problem of worse than normal medical outcomes at weekends has been around for longer than CCGs. To my mind therefore the introduction of CCGs cannot be responsible for the problem that needs to be addressed.Alistair said:
You may not have noticed but since the abolition of the PCTs and the creation of the CCGs NHS units across the country have started going deeply in the red financially. There's no money left for a 7 day NHS.HurstLlama said:
It is unclear to me how the replacement of PCTs with CCGs has caused the problem of a lack of medical staff at weekends. A problem which from personal experience goes back many years. Perhaps you could enlighten us.Alistair said:
Do we think the public will blame politicians for their top down re-organisation of the NHS that created the CCGs that have got us in this mess?MarqueeMark said:A surprisingly simplistic thread. Do we think the public blame politicians for the much poorer health outcomes at weekends? Do we think the public will blame politician for trying to do something to remedy those poor outcomes?
Furthermore, the Junior Doctors are not threatening to strike over the structure of the NHS or that it should be given even more money. They are threatening to strike because of changes to their pay and conditions. An 11% payrise is not enough for them they want more.0 -
When Corbyn was elected I said his response to a major terrorist incident would be dire. He's proving my point in spades. Can you imagine him responding to a similar incident occurring in the UK? The remaining sensible Labour members ought to be acting now to get rid of him before he does some permanent damage to the party.0
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Prime Minster Corbyn we have an incident. There a several groups of terrorists randomly shooting people at various locations across London. One group has taken a 1000 hostages at the Brixton Academy. We have teams of SAS on route, what do you want them to do.
Ask them if they want to have a chat with me.
What the SAS commander?
No. The misguided individuals inside the Brixton Academy.
Its a bit harsh to call fans of Finger Finger Death Punch misguided.
No. The misguided individuals with the guns.
They don't want to talk. Shall we order an offensive by the SAS.
Yes ok if you must, but no shooting. At the end of the day, we want to be able to negotiate with these individuals.0 -
If I was the Pope though I sort of think I'd have to.RobD said:
Can you imagine? It'd be utter pandemonium if he said anything like that. Of course, people can call Jihad willy-nilly.Omnium said:Why hasn't the Pope called another crusade?
It would of course be a ludicrous idea, and taken up by nobody, but history would say he must.
I guess he is too busy worrying about whether his flock are using contraceptives.
If he did call a Crusade then I'd be very keen that he should be immediately imprisoned, and anyone that calls a Jihad should be too.
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If this was WWII he'd be locked up.Casino_Royale said:
He's a total prick.Scott_P said:@thomasknox: Let me get this right. If ISIS attacked us the way they attacked France, prime minister Jeremy Corbyn would NOT retaliate. Is that correct?
@DPJHodges: Even for Corbyn, this is utterly unbelievable. Watch. https://t.co/C44u8G5eX90 -
Perhaps Corbyn has been misunderstood? I haven't watched the video, but could he be arguing for a shoot-to-incapacitate policy, rather than kill?
(And with that, my requirements for continued membership in the PB Tories for Corbyn club are fulfilled.)0 -
A few days ago, another PBer noted that Jezza's problem would be not agreeing with Milne.
This is it in spades.dr_spyn said:
Milne's having the sort of day, which Ingram and Campbell would have never had. Distracted by manhole cover collecting, then Corbyn fouling up almost every interview since lunchtime to-day. The Guardian must have known they well well rid of him.FrancisUrquhart said:Whatever Laura K's advice was to Jezza's spin team the other week, I some how doubt it was what we have seen today. From discussions of the latest edition of manhole cover weekly to advocating the SAS hug a Jahadi.
Milne can't spin to save his boss's career.0 -
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 8s8 seconds ago
David Cameron had hug a hoodie. Jeremy Corbyn has hug a Jihadi.0 -
He's nicked my line !!!dr_spyn said:Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 8s8 seconds ago
David Cameron had hug a hoodie. Jeremy Corbyn has hug a Jihadi.0 -
I flinch at the prospect, not out of animus - but for Labourites.
If my political leader was like this - I'd be speechless and enormously betrayedglw said:When Corbyn was elected I said his response to a major terrorist incident would be dire. He's proving my point in spades. Can you imagine him responding to a similar incident occurring in the UK? The remaining sensible Labour members ought to be acting now to get rid of him before he does some permanent damage to the party.
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Faisal Islam @faisalislam 1 hr1 hour ago Serik, Antalya
President Hollande calls for a United Nations Security Council meeting as "France is at war" with Isil...
Hollandes going for em.....0 -
I think that argument has been wrung dry. I repeat what Brown said in 2010. The NHS now has enough money and can undertake a £20bn efficiency drive. That efficiency drive is continuing adter the 2015 election. The govt has already added another £8bn to its spending plans for the NHS since the election. All health services are facing serious financial deficits. The French NHS has a deficit.Pulpstar said:
GPs and Private Finance companies have wrung the NHS dry !Alistair said:
You may not have noticed but since the abolition of the PCTs and the creation of the CCGs NHS units across the country have started going deeply in the red financially. There's no money left for a 7 day NHS.HurstLlama said:
It is unclear to me how the replacement of PCTs with CCGs has caused the problem of a lack of medical staff at weekends. A problem which from personal experience goes back many years. Perhaps you could enlighten us.Alistair said:
Do we think the public will blame politicians for their top down re-organisation of the NHS that created the CCGs that have got us in this mess?MarqueeMark said:A surprisingly simplistic thread. Do we think the public blame politicians for the much poorer health outcomes at weekends? Do we think the public will blame politician for trying to do something to remedy those poor outcomes?
Not to mention the massively overgenerous pension plans and cost creating reorganisations every 5 years...
There is no evidence that the CCGs are any more responsible for going in the red than any other sort of set up. Treating more people is costly. One of the biggest problems the NHS has is discharging people after treatment, something for which social services deserve criticism.0 -
They said that about spinning and weaving machines. They said that about computers. They even said that about the internet. Driverless vehicles will happenflightpath01 said:Technology Party?
I do not care what the chairman of Google says in pursuit of his own commercial interests. The notion of 'driverless vehicles' is bunkum. Frankly it is so transparently bunkum that I cannot be bothered to list the problems both technological, practical and legal as well as socially they would have to overcome.0 -
When someone has a bomb on them (as did all the terrorists in Paris) shoot to incapacitate and shoot to kill are essentially identical. i.e. You ideally shoot them in the head.RobD said:Perhaps Corbyn has been misunderstood? I haven't watched the video, but could he be arguing for a shoot-to-incapacitate policy, rather than kill?
(And with that, my requirements for continued membership in the PB Tories for Corbyn club are fulfilled.)0 -
Actually I think it was tim from twitter of all people....Plato_Says said:A few days ago, another PBer noted that Jezza's problem would be not agreeing with Milne.
This is it in spades.dr_spyn said:
Milne's having the sort of day, which Ingram and Campbell would have never had. Distracted by manhole cover collecting, then Corbyn fouling up almost every interview since lunchtime to-day. The Guardian must have known they well well rid of him.FrancisUrquhart said:Whatever Laura K's advice was to Jezza's spin team the other week, I some how doubt it was what we have seen today. From discussions of the latest edition of manhole cover weekly to advocating the SAS hug a Jahadi.
Milne can't spin to save his boss's career.0 -
Good on him. Let's hope Dave is up to it.Slackbladder said:Faisal Islam @faisalislam 1 hr1 hour ago Serik, Antalya
President Hollande calls for a United Nations Security Council meeting as "France is at war" with Isil...
Hollandes going for em.....0 -
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 2 mins2 minutes ago
Corbyn on whether he would back military action on extremists. BBC: "I'm not saying I would or I wouldn't," he said".
...what a dither. I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic and serious.0 -
Seems a long time ago that Hollande was that joke figure whose biggest difficulties with trying to spin those late night moped runs for a bit of after hours bonking. So the question is Obama Big Balls what you going to do? Putin will say yes, Cameron will say yes.Slackbladder said:Faisal Islam @faisalislam 1 hr1 hour ago Serik, Antalya
President Hollande calls for a United Nations Security Council meeting as "France is at war" with Isil...
Hollandes going for em.....0 -
*takes a Silkwood Shower*Slackbladder said:
Actually I think it was tim from twitter of all people....Plato_Says said:A few days ago, another PBer noted that Jezza's problem would be not agreeing with Milne.
This is it in spades.dr_spyn said:
Milne's having the sort of day, which Ingram and Campbell would have never had. Distracted by manhole cover collecting, then Corbyn fouling up almost every interview since lunchtime to-day. The Guardian must have known they well well rid of him.FrancisUrquhart said:Whatever Laura K's advice was to Jezza's spin team the other week, I some how doubt it was what we have seen today. From discussions of the latest edition of manhole cover weekly to advocating the SAS hug a Jahadi.
Milne can't spin to save his boss's career.0 -
Slackbladder said:
Faisal Islam @faisalislam 1 hr1 hour ago Serik, Antalya
President Hollande calls for a United Nations Security Council meeting as "France is at war" with Isil...
Hollandes going for em.....
I think Monsieur President de la Ve République speaks for the UK.
Poor Ed Miliband was just ahead of his time.0 -
It's madness.Pulpstar said:
Tesla are already into real world beta testing of this. The official line is that you shouldn't use driverless on a public road... but people are happily posting the (Not always perfect) results to Youtube !flightpath01 said:Technology Party?
I do not care what the chairman of Google says in pursuit of his own commercial interests. The notion of 'driverless vehicles' is bunkum. Frankly it is so transparently bunkum that I cannot be bothered to list the problems both technological, practical and legal as well as socially they would have to overcome.
The amazing thing is that the automotive world is quite conservative, technology-wise. I worked mainly in the consumer electronics (CE) world, and it was quite painful moving on to automotive projects, where the manufacturers demanded really strict specs (e.g. on EMI).
To my mind, this is why the major manufacturers are mainly concentrating on evolutionary additions: cruise control, lane control, auto parking, auto braking etc. This way, they can perfect the technologies over millions of miles and tens of thousands of cars, perfecting them and making them work together. When they are, they'll move on to the next suite of autonomous controls.
Tesla and Google are doing it with the big-bang approach. Whilst technically brilliant, it is still very much smoke-and-mirrors. Which are two of the many things that can fool some of the systems.
http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-bad-self-driving-cars-suck-in-the-rain-1666268433
http://www.citymetric.com/google-s-driverless-cars-can-t-spot-potholes-or-drive-heavy-rain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2739765/Is-Google-s-driverless-car-fair-weather-friend-Vehicle-WON-T-work-heavy-rain-snow-insider-reveals.html
As I've said before, the main thing the manufacturers are after at the moment isn't necessarily the tech required for automonous cars, but the data. Who controls the data will control the cars.0 -
I believe their might also have been discussions on the USS Missouri and at that tent in Safwan. Nothing before those discussions was relevant either.RobD said:
There was a discussion between Donitz and the Allies in 1945. Some things may have happened previously, but they are hardly relevant.Slackbladder said:PoliticsHome VERIFIED ACCOUNT @politicshome 2 hrs2 hours ago
Corbyn on Isis: "At the end of the day all wars have to end by political discussion." #skynews
Funny.. I can't remember when WW2 ended with 'political discussion'.0 -
Incapacitated but still able to talk over a cup of tea? (And fire a gun, or trigger a bomb).RobD said:Perhaps Corbyn has been misunderstood? I haven't watched the video, but could he be arguing for a shoot-to-incapacitate policy, rather than kill?
(And with that, my requirements for continued membership in the PB Tories for Corbyn club are fulfilled.)
Shoot to kill seems better under the circumstances.
Corbyn's a dangerous lunatic.0 -
I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.0 -
http://order-order.com/2015/11/16/corbyn-questions-legality-of-jihadi-john-strike/
Corbyn's Ed Stone...Hug a Jihadi....0 -
Corbyn makes sense once you realise he's the Tory party's longest sleeper agent.antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.0 -
He's making Chamberlain look like Lord Nelson !antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.0 -
Okay, here's Eric Schmidt, executive chairman of Google, saying the same thing. A lot of people who work in technology think this is coming. Self-driving cars are obviously going to cause problems for those who drive a vehicle for a living, and artificial intelligence is getting amazingly good these days. What will it be like in 10 years time?dr_spyn said:
Read this about a week ago, one for the philosophers, programmers and mathematicians.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/542626/why-self-driving-cars-must-be-programmed-to-kill/
No doubt the mechanization of agriculture was going to end employment. Then the industrialization of industries destroying cottage industries. Then mechanization of mining and construction. Then IT doing away with bank tellers, secretaries and archivists. Now driverless cars and big data.
I am sure the outcome will be different this time.0 -
LOL. Do you have a link to that article? I need a good chortle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn makes sense once you realise he's the Tory party's longest sleeper agent.antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.0 -
It'd be none of those. He'd be paralysed by having to make a decision, and some braveFrancisUrquhart said:Prime Minster Corbyn we have an incident. There a several groups of terrorists randomly shooting people at various locations across London. One group has taken a 1000 hostages at the Brixton Academy. We have teams of SAS on route, what do you want them to do.
Ask them if they want to have a chat with me.
What the SAS commander?
No. The misguided individuals inside the Brixton Academy.
Its a bit harsh to call fans of Finger Finger Death Punch misguided.
No. The misguided individuals with the guns.
They don't want to talk. Shall we order an offensive by the SAS.
Yes ok if you must, but no shooting. At the end of the day, we want to be able to negotiate with these individuals.
underling would do it for him.0 -
@tnewtondunn: UKIP might win the Oldham West by-election if they posted a transcript of @bbclaurak's Jeremy Corbyn interview through every letter box.0
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HahTheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn makes sense once you realise he's the Tory party's longest sleeper agent.antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.
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Read this about a week ago, one for the philosophers, programmers and mathematicians.MTimT said:
Okay, here's Eric Schmidt, executive chairman of Google, saying the same thing. A lot of people who work in technology think this is coming. Self-driving cars are obviously going to cause problems for those who drive a vehicle for a living, and artificial intelligence is getting amazingly good these days. What will it be like in 10 years time?dr_spyn said:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/542626/why-self-driving-cars-must-be-programmed-to-kill/
No doubt the mechanization of agriculture was going to end employment. Then the industrialization of industries destroying cottage industries. Then mechanization of mining and construction. Then IT doing away with bank tellers, secretaries and archivists. Now driverless cars and big data.
I am sure the outcome will be different this time.
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@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days0
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@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days
@DPJHodges: Not actually about Corbyn any more, it's about the shadow cabinet and the PLP. If they continue to tolerate this the blame rests with them.0 -
Yes you are probably right. I was giving him too much credit.JosiasJessop said:
It'd be none of those. He'd be paralysed by having to make a decision, and some braveFrancisUrquhart said:Prime Minster Corbyn we have an incident. There a several groups of terrorists randomly shooting people at various locations across London. One group has taken a 1000 hostages at the Brixton Academy. We have teams of SAS on route, what do you want them to do.
Ask them if they want to have a chat with me.
What the SAS commander?
No. The misguided individuals inside the Brixton Academy.
Its a bit harsh to call fans of Finger Finger Death Punch misguided.
No. The misguided individuals with the guns.
They don't want to talk. Shall we order an offensive by the SAS.
Yes ok if you must, but no shooting. At the end of the day, we want to be able to negotiate with these individuals.
underling would do it for him.0 -
Imagine a similar situation with the RAF requesting permission to shoot down a rogue aircraft? Presumably he'd ask them if there was any way that they could force it to circle, whilst he deliberated.JosiasJessop said:
It'd be none of those. He'd be paralysed by having to make a decision, and some braveFrancisUrquhart said:Prime Minster Corbyn we have an incident. There a several groups of terrorists randomly shooting people at various locations across London. One group has taken a 1000 hostages at the Brixton Academy. We have teams of SAS on route, what do you want them to do.
Ask them if they want to have a chat with me.
What the SAS commander?
No. The misguided individuals inside the Brixton Academy.
Its a bit harsh to call fans of Finger Finger Death Punch misguided.
No. The misguided individuals with the guns.
They don't want to talk. Shall we order an offensive by the SAS.
Yes ok if you must, but no shooting. At the end of the day, we want to be able to negotiate with these individuals.
underling would do it for him.0 -
Keeping Corbyn in place is going to take all the ingenuity of every non-Labour voter and party in the country.
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A "bit of a showdown". If I was one of the more sensible based in reality Labour MPs out there, I would be livid at him.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days
@DPJHodges: Not actually about Corbyn any more, it's about the shadow cabinet and the PLP. If they continue to tolerate this the blame rests with them.0 -
He was a deer in the headlights on Friday - this just shows how totally WTF he is playing Big Boy Politics on Expert level.Scott_P said:
@tnewtondunn: UKIP might win the Oldham West by-election if they posted a transcript of @bbclaurak's Jeremy Corbyn interview through every letter box.
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What price the Libs for left wingers who just can't stomach the Tories and Kippers?Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: UKIP might win the Oldham West by-election if they posted a transcript of @bbclaurak's Jeremy Corbyn interview through every letter box.
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Labour told Muslim voters it would criticism of Islam illegal at the last election and the Tories routinely try to appeal to Christian voters.MTimT said:how would you differentiate yourselves from the other parties? I doubt any of them would suggest that they are not evidence-based (scientific and rational) in their policy-making.
Both Hunt and Corbyn have supported homeopathy which is obviously utter nonsense.
I'm not a fan of using one dimension to try and explain what a party stands for. I describe the party as being socially and economically liberal because we are philosophically skeptical empricists:MTimT said:Would you see such a party being defined by others as centre-right or centre-left?
We think the only way to really know anything is through examining the evidence, and we are very suspicious of untestable dogma. This makes us skeptical empiricists and naturally leads to us being pretty liberal about most things (both socially and economically) since new ideas can come from anywhere, and we are wary of any form of authority that tries to tell people what they can and cannot do. If there is a good reason to do something we would rather let everyone know about it and let them choose for themselves than force it on everyone. For this reason we value freedom of information, freedom of speech and think critical thinking is an essential skill like reading, writing, and maths that should be taught in school.
The evidence doesn't change that often, and I think the public would understand.MTimT said:As I see it, there are two problems for a would be 'scientific' party:
1. The problem with evidence-based approaches is that you have to continually change and adapt your approach as new evidence comes in. I think the public will have a hard time understanding what such a party stands for.
We want to encourage science and technology by encouraging education and then getting out of the way - we are not technocrats.MTimT said:2. Any one set of evidence can be read has supporting many different theses or political dogmas (e.g. the UK's economic performance under austerity has both been claimed to have worked - we are doing better than Europe - and to have damaged the economy - we should have done better without it). How can you determine the 'truly scientific' policy prescription when you'll never have perfect data that everyone agrees should be interpreted the same way?
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Corbyn has to go.TheScreamingEagles said:@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days
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I would say "oh to be a fly on the wall" but given that the PLP is leaking like a sieve at present we'll no doubt be given a full blow-by-blow account by 10.30 tonight.FrancisUrquhart said:
A "bit of a showdown". If I was one of the more sensible based in reality Labour MPs out there, I would be livid at him.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days
@DPJHodges: Not actually about Corbyn any more, it's about the shadow cabinet and the PLP. If they continue to tolerate this the blame rests with them.0 -
It's not funny is it, the leader of the opposition, the Labour Party, is a complete tool.antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.
Plenty of us have been saying he has no intention of being PM, its just one big f**k you all ego trip.
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Big Boy Politics? Is that a new PC game? Is Expert level the most difficult setting?Plato_Says said:He was a deer in the headlights on Friday - this just shows how totally WTF he is playing Big Boy Politics on Expert level.
Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: UKIP might win the Oldham West by-election if they posted a transcript of @bbclaurak's Jeremy Corbyn interview through every letter box.
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True, though perhaps an even more pertinent point is that while most wars end by political discussion, they only do so when either one side is close to defeated and wants a settlement, or both sides are ready to talk and compromise.Slackbladder said:PoliticsHome VERIFIED ACCOUNT @politicshome 2 hrs2 hours ago
Corbyn on Isis: "At the end of the day all wars have to end by political discussion." #skynews
Funny.. I can't remember when WW2 ended with 'political discussion'.0 -
What price do you want ?chestnut said:
What price the Libs for left wingers who just can't stomach the Tories and Kippers?Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: UKIP might win the Oldham West by-election if they posted a transcript of @bbclaurak's Jeremy Corbyn interview through every letter box.
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Monkey Island would be over his head. FrancisUrquhart said:
Big Boy Politics? Is that a new PC game? Is Expert level the most difficult setting?Plato_Says said:He was a deer in the headlights on Friday - this just shows how totally WTF he is playing Big Boy Politics on Expert level.
Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: UKIP might win the Oldham West by-election if they posted a transcript of @bbclaurak's Jeremy Corbyn interview through every letter box.
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I made a tit of myself (not difficult) with a quick comment about Molenbeek earlier, insinuating that the EU had a say over the policing there.... obviously they don't. And I wasn't trying to have a go at the EU - I was more annoyed at how blase the Belgian minister was being.
The point I was trying to get at is that Belgium, France and the other EU contiguous countries have a cross-border agreement through Shengen, so if the intelligence work is poor in Belgium then France's security is only as good as Belgium's policing.
I'd be an even more worried French person right now, knowing that Molenbeek*has had a recent history of radicalism, and the Belgian's seem to have pussy-footed around it.
*Interesting snippet earlier that some of the terrorists who killed Shah Masoud in Afghanistan pre 9/11, were from Molenbeek.0 -
WWI ended with a political discussion.
It was that discussion that caused WW2.0 -
I wonder whether they might use the Foreign Legion. Apart from being let down in N Vietnam they’ve a pretty good record!HurstLlama said:
Which might be why the Frogs have been thumped in every war they have fought for the last two hundred and odd years (and a not a few before that).Pulpstar said:
In France, there is no God, there is no King, there is only 'Country'.CD13 said:As expected, Hollande is no left wing patsy.
But as expected, Jezza is.
I’ve also been diretcted to a Septic site called DC Whispers which, a week or so ago, published a long article (http://dcwhispers.com/russias-putin-issues-order-on-isis-annihilate-them/) which suggests that the soon to appear Russian boots-on-the-ground in ISIS areas will be expected to take no prisoners.0 -
@ nick
So it looks like you are not really a political party in waiting but a movement to sway the actual parties.
BTW, I pride myself on being a scientist and an amateur economist, and do not agree that evidence naturally leads to liberal economic policies. I guess some of that depends on what 'liberal' definition you are using. I would be more libertarian.0 -
I would hope their objections will be heard half way across Westminster, let alone to the journos eavesdropping outside the door.antifrank said:
I would say "oh to be a fly on the wall" but given that the PLP is leaking like a sieve at present we'll no doubt be given a full blow-by-blow account by 10.30 tonight.FrancisUrquhart said:
A "bit of a showdown". If I was one of the more sensible based in reality Labour MPs out there, I would be livid at him.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days
@DPJHodges: Not actually about Corbyn any more, it's about the shadow cabinet and the PLP. If they continue to tolerate this the blame rests with them.
It is a total disgrace that we have the Tom and Jeremy "comedy" act, otherwise known as Hug a Jihadi and the noncefinder general, sorry nonce wrongly accuser general, in charge of her majesties official opposition. The Tories being a piss poor opposition to Blair was bad for the country, these two being the opposition to the Tories is equally.0 -
It seems increasingly likely there will be French boots in the desert going after these scum, possibly within the month. Will the British deploy along with them? Not without a Commons resolution (whatever the technicalities of Article V). Will Cameron get one? Corbyn is going to find this question the very opposite of hypothetical all too soon.
I would like to think that he could not bring his party with him on pacifism. If he fails to do so can he survive?
Personally, I regard this as more analogous to Afghanistan than the stupid diversion that was Iraq. These people hold territory and a safe(ish) haven on the face of the planet. That is not a tolerable state of affairs. It must end.0 -
They've been bewildered ever since he was elected.antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
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Corbyn's comments about military action in Syria are one thing, his comments about dealing with an incident similar to what happened in Paris — and it could happen here at any time so saying it is hypothetical is laughable — are quite another. Cameron rightly has said "shoot to kill", Corbyn is essentially saying "don't shoot". His dithering would almost certainly cost lives.watford30 said:Regardless of one's political persuasions, we need a credible Opposition, and there isn't one with him in charge of the Labour Party.
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These past few days Corbyn has made the biggest blunder since Gaius Terentius Varro decided that the clear open ground just down the road from Cannae offered an excellent prospect for shattering Hannibal’s army.0
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I used to work in automotive. When fuel injection was first introduced it required aircraft standards of technology - at aircraft costs. Now, it's at costs that sup[port new cars costing £7,000.new.JosiasJessop said:
It's madness.Pulpstar said:
Tesla are already into real world beta testing of this. The official line is that you shouldn't use driverless on a public road... but people are happily posting the (Not always perfect) results to Youtube !flightpath01 said:Technology Party?
I do not care what the chairman of Google says in pursuit of his own commercial interests. The notion of 'driverless vehicles' is bunkum. Frankly it is so transparently bunkum that I cannot be bothered to list the problems both technological, practical and legal as well as socially they would have to overcome.
The amazing thing is that the automotive world is quite conservative, technology-wise. I worked mainly in the consumer electronics (CE) world, and it was quite painful moving on to automotive projects, where the manufacturers demanded really strict specs (e.g. on EMI).
To my mind, this is why the major manufacturers are mainly concentrating on evolutionary additions: cruise control, lane control, auto parking, auto braking etc. This way, they can perfect the technologies over millions of miles and tens of thousands of cars, perfecting them and making them work together. When they are, they'll move on to the next suite of autonomous controls.
Tesla and Google are doing it with the big-bang approach. Whilst technically brilliant, it is still very much smoke-and-mirrors. Which are two of the many things that can fool some of the systems.
http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-bad-self-driving-cars-suck-in-the-rain-1666268433
http://www.citymetric.com/google-s-driverless-cars-can-t-spot-potholes-or-drive-heavy-rain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2739765/Is-Google-s-driverless-car-fair-weather-friend-Vehicle-WON-T-work-heavy-rain-snow-insider-reveals.html
As I've said before, the main thing the manufacturers are after at the moment isn't necessarily the tech required for automonous cars, but the data. Who controls the data will control the cars.
It's all about designing out cost whilst maintaining a reliable product..That often takes lots of years...0 -
I was 'intensely relaxed' at the prospect of Ed M becoming PM. Corbyn is an actual threat to the country though.0
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Reminds me of the Yes Prime Minister on the deterrent where Hacker's reminded that he's PM *now* and in theory Nato HQ could ring at any moment (which it then does, asking for a speech).Slackbladder said:Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 2 mins2 minutes ago
Corbyn on whether he would back military action on extremists. BBC: "I'm not saying I would or I wouldn't," he said".
...what a dither. I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic and serious.
Corbyn is applying to be PM. He might be able to dodge an answer now, at the cost of looking foolish, but a PM cannot do so: to hide under the covers or behind a wibble *is* to say No.0 -
Oh la la http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11997820/Paris-France-terror-attacks-isil-suspects-Syria-Raqqa-boming-arrests-live.html
All terrorists were EU citizens - EU chief
Matthew Holehouse writes: Federica Mogherini, the EU's chief diplomat, says that all the attackers are so far believed to be EU citizens. She speaks after a meeting of EU foreign ministers.
"Let me underline, the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat," said the High Representative. She notes the external EU border is an issue regarding returning jihadis. But she adds: "It is all EU citizens so far. This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security."
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Seriously how the feck do you manage to get on the side of Jihadi John?0
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+1. I think the case for war is stronger than Afghanistan if anything, Al Qaeda was not the Taliban, and the terrorists there were Saudi.DavidL said:
Personally, I regard this as more analogous to Afghanistan than the stupid diversion that was Iraq. These people hold territory and a safe(ish) haven on the face of the planet. That is not a tolerable state of affairs. It must end.
Al Baghdadi is Al Baghdadi, and IS is IS !0 -
It's stopped being funny now, this clown shoe is a danger to the country. He can't provide a decent opposition and in the unlikely event he was ever in a position of real power he would utterly feck it up. I was of the opinion that the longer we could keep him in charge of Labour the better, but he is far, far, too pathetic to be allowed to remain, regardless of your own political affiliation. Somebody needs to read him his future and quickly.watford30 said:
Corbyn has to go.TheScreamingEagles said:@bbclaurak: Senior Labour MP tells me Corbyn 'heading for a bit of a showdown' at PLP tonight over his comments on Paris attacks in last few days
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Anyone who thought that Corbyn might ever be PM can let go of their illusions now, I think.0
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"Gas was first pumped into the theater which rendered most inside unconscious. (and is believed to have caused the deaths of some of the hostages) Then Russian special forces entered the theater and proceeded to do what they were trained, and ordered by Putin himself, to do – they killed every one of the Muslim terrorists. No mercy was given to any of them. If a terrorist was found already passed out from the gas, an assault rifle was soon aimed at their heads and their life terminated."OldKingCole said:
I wonder whether they might use the Foreign Legion. Apart from being let down in N Vietnam they’ve a pretty good record!HurstLlama said:
Which might be why the Frogs have been thumped in every war they have fought for the last two hundred and odd years (and a not a few before that).Pulpstar said:
In France, there is no God, there is no King, there is only 'Country'.CD13 said:As expected, Hollande is no left wing patsy.
But as expected, Jezza is.
I’ve also been diretcted to a Septic site called DC Whispers which, a week or so ago, published a long article (http://dcwhispers.com/russias-putin-issues-order-on-isis-annihilate-them/) which suggests that the soon to appear Russian boots-on-the-ground in ISIS areas will be expected to take no prisoners.
Is that true? I mean I can believe it, given how Putin administration has dealt with descenters both at home and abroad. I mean unlike Corbyn if somebody from Putin's mob invites you to meet for a cup of tea and a chat, you better watch out whats in your tea. And I am not talking about some sort of hipster unpasterized camel's milk.0 -
They probably will be bewildered, but only because they haven't been paying much attention.antifrank said:I am completely at a loss to know what to say about Jeremy Corbyn's latest interventions. I can only assume that he is a passionate pacifist and cannot bring himself to compromise his principles.
The British public are going to be utterly bewildered.
Anyone who has been paying attention won't be in the least bewildered. His interventions are exactly as expected, and exactly as predicted here and elsewhere.0 -
I'll tell you. You start with far-fetched resolutions. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the years sticking to that, outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs, and you end in the grotesque chaos of a Labour opposition-- a Labour opposition -- hiring taxis to scuttle round a city handing out grants to the jihadis. .TheScreamingEagles said:Seriously how the feck do you manage to get on the side of Jihadi John?
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