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GOP debate on FBN tonight - happy hour at 7pm, main at 9pm (eastern).
BBC pedigree - Jerry Baker (WSJ editor) is on the panel.
Interesting note - Jeb Bush has scheduled a conference call with his major donors tonight after the debate..0 -
What's wrong with being an animal lover?Sean_F said:
Be careful what you wish for.Tim_B said:
Do they get the virgins in hell, or hookers?isam said:And everyone else would if they did!
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/664190551005265922
The virgins in question may be 1. Male 2. Non-human.
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@TelePolitics: Jeremy Corbyn to swear to be Queen's servant when he joins the Privy Council https://t.co/VBz23IKxAy0
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This is the sort of music you hear in heaven:bigjohnowls said:
Chris Rea 24/7 downstairs.foxinsoxuk said:
It was pointed out to me that there is a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven. It is clear where the volume of traffic is expected!Tim_B said:
Do they get the virgins in hell, or hookers?isam said:And everyone else would if they did!
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/664190551005265922
Wall to Wall LZ in heaven
Enough to make me rethink my atheist position
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Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
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More worried about Wall to Wall Chris Rea and meeting Thatcher myselffoxinsoxuk said:
Though Talking Heads view of heaven is not quite so appealling:bigjohnowls said:
Chris Rea 24/7 downstairs.foxinsoxuk said:
It was pointed out to me that there is a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven. It is clear where the volume of traffic is expected!Tim_B said:
Do they get the virgins in hell, or hookers?isam said:And everyone else would if they did!
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/664190551005265922
Wall to Wall LZ in heaven
Enough to make me rethink my atheist position
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Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour
How would they tell the difference?0 -
Edit: Runnymede beat me to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
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On topic: the guy is bonkers. What's most worrying is not so much that he's on the GOP line up and temporarily polling well - we're used to that from previous election cycles - but that he's had positions of responsibility as a surgeon and working for John Hopkins, which I'd always regarded as a serious medical and academic institution.0
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On Tory civil war: err, really? Bill Cash, Peter Bone, Bernard Jenkin, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Nuttall? All sound chaps, no doubt, but it's hardly a surprise that they're not sudden converts to the Remain camp.0
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I have been inside the great pyramid. It is a pretty horrible and claustrophobic place. I think that the grain storage capacity would be fairly limited. There may have been a "loaves and fishes" type storage solution though.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: the guy is bonkers. What's most worrying is not so much that he's on the GOP line up and temporarily polling well - we're used to that from previous election cycles - but that he's had positions of responsibility as a surgeon and working for John Hopkins, which I'd always regarded as a serious medical and academic institution.
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Youth soccer in the US experiences 50,000 (!) concussions a year.
Effective yesterday US Soccer Federation recommends heading the ball is illegal for those under 10, and strongly urged for other youth games.
Apparently soccer worldwide has a major concussion problem, but no protocol. The NFL may have gotten there first, but it's coming in soccer too.
The first case of CTE has been found in a deceased (Pat Grange,age 28) soccer player, who died of ALS.
source: ESPN Outside The Lines0 -
Birmingham is an utter dump. I have only ever been there three times and two of those was racially abused.TheScreamingEagles said:
Edit: Runnymede beat me to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
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It is a mistranslation. They were threatened to be sent to Hull.runnymede said:Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour
How would they tell the difference?0 -
On topic if you were building a grain storage facility in anticipation for a great famine, surely a pyramid is the worst shape to build said facility?0
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Johns Hopkins - note s on Johns - is indeed a serious academic and scientific institution.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: the guy is bonkers. What's most worrying is not so much that he's on the GOP line up and temporarily polling well - we're used to that from previous election cycles - but that he's had positions of responsibility as a surgeon and working for John Hopkins, which I'd always regarded as a serious medical and academic institution.
Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.0 -
I'm sure the Pharaoh would contact the Egyptian branch of Archer Daniels MidlandTheScreamingEagles said:On topic if you were building a grain storage facility in anticipation for a great famine, surely a pyramid is the worst shape to build said facility?
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I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
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Well as far as I am aware no one died when he was operating on them and he has a degree from YaleRichard_Nabavi said:On topic: the guy is bonkers. What's most worrying is not so much that he's on the GOP line up and temporarily polling well - we're used to that from previous election cycles - but that he's had positions of responsibility as a surgeon and working for John Hopkins, which I'd always regarded as a serious medical and academic institution.
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Yes, worrying, isn't it?HYUFD said:... he has a degree from Yale
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RIP Helmut Schmidt, a titan of European politics. On being told he was a visonary he replied, 'if you have visions you need to see a doctor'0
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In that polling 25% of Americans either didn't know what the pyramids were for or thought they were for something other than burying people in.
Obviously they don't follow the same history curriculum in the US as we do in the UK. Even in the current primary history curriculum (which is very UK oriented) there is still room for Ancient Egypt.
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He's just going against the grainRichard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
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How would the Tory party supporters split on this:Richard_Nabavi said:On Tory civil war: err, really? Bill Cash, Peter Bone, Bernard Jenkin, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Nuttall? All sound chaps, no doubt, but it's hardly a surprise that they're not sudden converts to the Remain camp.
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Actually the evidence is more nuancedRichard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
http://bit.ly/1WLAwpT
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Today's ICM has it Con voterssurbiton said:
How would the Tory party supporters split on this:Richard_Nabavi said:On Tory civil war: err, really? Bill Cash, Peter Bone, Bernard Jenkin, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Nuttall? All sound chaps, no doubt, but it's hardly a surprise that they're not sudden converts to the Remain camp.
60 OUT: 40 IN ?
Remain 44%
Leave 39%
DK 17%0 -
Isn't that a requirement of becoming the republican candidate ?Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
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Hasn't the polling FWIW shown Tory 2015 voters narrowly favouring Remain?surbiton said:
How would the Tory party supporters split on this:Richard_Nabavi said:On Tory civil war: err, really? Bill Cash, Peter Bone, Bernard Jenkin, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Nuttall? All sound chaps, no doubt, but it's hardly a surprise that they're not sudden converts to the Remain camp.
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That was before the cuts.JosiasJessop said:I can't believe everyone's being so stupid.
Remember: the pyramids were a government procurement project. They started off as mooring posts for alien spaceships, but they built the bases the wrong shape. They then decided to convert them to grain stores, but did not build enough cavities within. In the end they just decided to chuck their dead leaders in them.
And as with all government projects, they made the same mistakes several times before giving up and just building a large statue of cat. Even then they couldn't decide on what sort of cat, and added a beard because they had a little extra unspent money at end-of-year.0 -
Rupert is an Outer, so not much surprise really.TheScreamingEagles said:Tomorrow's front page of the Sun isn't good for Dave
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Its no more worrying than David Attenborough beliving in man made global warming. And he is in good company of supposedly intelligent people.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, worrying, isn't it?HYUFD said:... he has a degree from Yale
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In the lesser known second part of the Gettysburg address, Lincoln set out the case that the Parthenon was in fact a co-op.Pulpstar said:
Isn't that a requirement of becoming the republican candidate ?Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
Good grief, how the mighty fall.0 -
I'm just sorry that having stood against him purely in order to try and contribute to him losing the seat, I wasn't able to be there to hear his speech on the night, due to being an election agent somewhere else. Lost my (self-funded) deposit, but it was worth every penny to see him lose.Scrapheap_as_was said:Fantastic... I've just found mark reckless' losers speech from election night... not seen that before.
how many more such gems of coverage not shown on the night (now watched once or twice on iplayer) are there out there for me still to unearth and enjoy.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-326330990 -
Cameron starts his phantom negotiation with Brussels with four phantom proposals.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34770875
The whole thing not being worth a bag of horse sh*t.0 -
Grain was stored in pits in the ground and covered over air tight. It woukd keep for quite a while.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic if you were building a grain storage facility in anticipation for a great famine, surely a pyramid is the worst shape to build said facility?
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The Sun has got noticeably more hostile to the Tories since Rebekah returned to the fold.TheScreamingEagles said:Tomorrow's front page of the Sun isn't good for Dave
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Grain was stored in pits in the ground and covered over air tight. It woukd keep for quite a while.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic if you were building a grain storage facility in anticipation for a great famine, surely a pyramid is the worst shape to build said facility?
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Never piss off a redhead.Danny565 said:
The Sun has got noticeably more hostile to the Tories since Rebekah returned to the helm.TheScreamingEagles said:Tomorrow's front page of the Sun isn't good for Dave
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Nonsense! I'm posting from there right nowMP_SE said:
Birmingham is an utter dump.TheScreamingEagles said:
Edit: Runnymede beat me to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
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The Sun will be for Out, Dave will be gone by the next election, it is not that surprising. When it comes to EU ref we may end up with the odd situation of Dave being backed by the Guardian, the Independent and the Mirror (alongside the FT and indirectly the BBC) and opposed by the Sun, the Mail, the Express, the Telegraph and perhaps the TimesDanny565 said:
The Sun has got noticeably more hostile to the Tories since Rebekah returned to the helm.TheScreamingEagles said:Tomorrow's front page of the Sun isn't good for Dave
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India, Essex and Birmingham.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nonsense! I'm posting from there right nowMP_SE said:
Birmingham is an utter dump.TheScreamingEagles said:
Edit: Runnymede beat me to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
You've lived in some real dumps
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If you're looking for a really compelling theory:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/drinking-three-glasses-of-champagne-every-day-can-help-prevent-alzheimers-disease-a3109626.html
They now hope to carry out the experiment on pensioners.
I'm sure we can find some volunteers for this crucial work.0 -
But that is the perspective of an Essex boy!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nonsense! I'm posting from there right nowMP_SE said:
Birmingham is an utter dump.TheScreamingEagles said:
Edit: Runnymede beat me to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
Have you diversified into canals in the Venice of England?0 -
Mind you, so does George W BushRichard_Nabavi said:
Yes, worrying, isn't it?HYUFD said:... he has a degree from Yale
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Indeed, he matched Churchill in his longetivity and his vicesRodCrosby said:
Just think, if he hadn't smoked like a chimney, he could have lived to 120...HYUFD said:RIP Helmut Schmidt, a titan of European politics. On being told he was a visonary he replied, 'if you have visions you need to see a doctor'
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You forget that Einstein was german.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
In America holding opinions like those is usual, it's fun to watch.
See Trump entering the "War on Christmas" by calling for a boycott of Starbucks over some red coffee cups in Springfield (could be the Springfield you're thinking of):
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-slams-carson-starbucks-before-record-crowd-in-illinois/
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/starbucks-waging-war-christmas-red-cup-stirs-controversy-n460721
What fun if the only major problem of your nation is the colour of coffee cups.0 -
Tory voters will be the swing voters in EU ref as Labour voters were in indyrefTheScreamingEagles said:
Today's ICM has it Con voterssurbiton said:
How would the Tory party supporters split on this:Richard_Nabavi said:On Tory civil war: err, really? Bill Cash, Peter Bone, Bernard Jenkin, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Nuttall? All sound chaps, no doubt, but it's hardly a surprise that they're not sudden converts to the Remain camp.
60 OUT: 40 IN ?
Remain 44%
Leave 39%
DK 17%0 -
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !0 -
Has the Loony party announced its candidate yet ? Only they could do it.AndyJS said:
I'll put £5 on Labour losing at 8/1.isam said:Oldham by election
Labour win by
0-5 8/1
5-10 6/1
10-15 5/2
15-20 12/5
20-25 5/1
25+ 8/1
Labour lose 8/1
Match bets
Ukip 1/6 vs Con 7/2
Con 1/6 vs Libs 7/2
Labour winning margin uo 16 5/60 -
Because no one cares about those countries, why would anyone feel the need to conquer Belgium these days?surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !0 -
Then he went to the Gettysburg Starbucks and complained about their non-santa christmas cups...Jonathan said:
In the lesser known second part of the Gettysburg address, Lincoln set out the case that the Parthenon was in fact a co-op.Pulpstar said:
Isn't that a requirement of becoming the republican candidate ?Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
Good grief, how the mighty fall.0 -
Because of all that huge Belgian charisma..Speedy said:
Because no one cares about those countries, why would anyone feel the need to conquer Belgium these days?surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !0 -
Keith Vaz has declared war on red refreshments first. Trump is stealing the idea from our very own politicians:Speedy said:
You forget that Einstein was german.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
In America holding opinions like those is usual, it's fun to watch.
See Trump entering the "War on Christmas" by calling for a boycott of Starbucks over some red coffee cups in Springfield (could be the Springfield you're thinking of):
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-slams-carson-starbucks-before-record-crowd-in-illinois/
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/starbucks-waging-war-christmas-red-cup-stirs-controversy-n460721
What fun if the only major problem of your nation is the colour of coffee cups.
http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/Keith-Vaz-says-Christmas-Coca-Cola-truck-welcome/story-28112187-detail/story.html0 -
Sir Oink-A-Lotsurbiton said:
Has the Loony party announced its candidate yet ? Only they could do it.AndyJS said:
I'll put £5 on Labour losing at 8/1.isam said:Oldham by election
Labour win by
0-5 8/1
5-10 6/1
10-15 5/2
15-20 12/5
20-25 5/1
25+ 8/1
Labour lose 8/1
Match bets
Ukip 1/6 vs Con 7/2
Con 1/6 vs Libs 7/2
Labour winning margin uo 16 5/60 -
No, still doing railways. Last few conquests - er, I mean additions - Newbury to Westbury, Westbury to Bath, Westbury to Frome, Longleat miniature railway, Crewe to Chester, Colchester to Norwich, and Bicester to the brand new Oxford Parkway.foxinsoxuk said:
But that is the perspective of an Essex boy!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Nonsense! I'm posting from there right nowMP_SE said:
Birmingham is an utter dump.TheScreamingEagles said:
Edit: Runnymede beat me to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, at least that's a solid reason.isam said:"Muslim voters in Birmingham 'told they would go to hell if they didn't vote Labour'"
Have you diversified into canals in the Venice of England?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Parkway_railway_station
Catenary uprights already in place in Brum city centre for the upcoming Midland Metro extension from Snow Hill to New Street. Down in London, Wimbledon also has two new tram platforms (one hitherto).0 -
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !
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Loonys against Corbyn!surbiton said:
Has the Loony party announced its candidate yet ? Only they could do it.AndyJS said:
I'll put £5 on Labour losing at 8/1.isam said:Oldham by election
Labour win by
0-5 8/1
5-10 6/1
10-15 5/2
15-20 12/5
20-25 5/1
25+ 8/1
Labour lose 8/1
Match bets
Ukip 1/6 vs Con 7/2
Con 1/6 vs Libs 7/2
Labour winning margin uo 16 5/6
(Note to consumers: slogan may contain nuts, an ingenious paradox)0 -
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Ireland isn't in NATO.Sean_F said:
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !0 -
Taken for grunted.Pulpstar said:
Sir Oink-A-Lotsurbiton said:
Has the Loony party announced its candidate yet ? Only they could do it.AndyJS said:
I'll put £5 on Labour losing at 8/1.isam said:Oldham by election
Labour win by
0-5 8/1
5-10 6/1
10-15 5/2
15-20 12/5
20-25 5/1
25+ 8/1
Labour lose 8/1
Match bets
Ukip 1/6 vs Con 7/2
Con 1/6 vs Libs 7/2
Labour winning margin uo 16 5/60 -
A ham fisted effort to appeal to the Bullingdon club (Oldham section)? Clearly not targeting the halal vote!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Taken for grunted.Pulpstar said:
Sir Oink-A-Lotsurbiton said:
Has the Loony party announced its candidate yet ? Only they could do it.AndyJS said:
I'll put £5 on Labour losing at 8/1.isam said:Oldham by election
Labour win by
0-5 8/1
5-10 6/1
10-15 5/2
15-20 12/5
20-25 5/1
25+ 8/1
Labour lose 8/1
Match bets
Ukip 1/6 vs Con 7/2
Con 1/6 vs Libs 7/2
Labour winning margin uo 16 5/6
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Well Trump knows his customers:Tim_B said:
Then he went to the Gettysburg Starbucks and complained about their non-santa christmas cups...Jonathan said:
In the lesser known second part of the Gettysburg address, Lincoln set out the case that the Parthenon was in fact a co-op.Pulpstar said:
Isn't that a requirement of becoming the republican candidate ?Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think Einstein embraced bonkers theories which don't stand up to 30 seconds of testing against the evidence.Tim_B said:Carson's medical cred is beyond repute. Maybe it's the Einstein-like thing - medical genius but can't balance a check book, or in his case talk sense on non-political subjects.
Good grief, how the mighty fall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q66Y3WC5snk0 -
That was a political ad on behalf of everyone but Rubio.Tim_B said:New political ad - it's killer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_xHVKvIEw
(P.S. Bush is really unpopular with republicans right now, so having an ad of him endorsing Rubio is not a good idea)0 -
Look at the countries getting a free ride off the back of NATO:
1) Iceland (Strategic position in the NAO apparently though)... 0.03% Def spend
2) Luxembourg 0.5%
The country that lands us with Jean Claude "Cognac Fur frustuck" Junker, and sets up it's corporation tax to beggar the rest of Europe whilst massively benefiting more than any other country from European empire building is also contributing a quarter of what it should do to NATO.
Well colour me shocked.0 -
Ireland knows we'd support it if it was ever invaded. It has De Facto MAD Nuclear 'protection' without ever having to contribute a penny. Good deal for Ireland.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland isn't in NATO.Sean_F said:
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !
(Yes yes I do know Irish history before anyone pulls me up on historical points !)0 -
You've missed the point - it's an anti-Bush ad more than a pro-Rubio ad. Talking heads think it's ace.Speedy said:
That was a political ad on behalf of everyone but Rubio.Tim_B said:New political ad - it's killer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_xHVKvIEw
(P.S. Bush is really unpopular with republicans right now, so having an ad of him endorsing Rubio is not a good idea)
In other news the FBI is expanding - again - the Clinton email investigation and is now including her aides.0 -
I'm taking a break, hope to see you on my 5th live commentary of the 2016 debates in 2 and a half hours from now.0
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So far the Talking heads have an accuracy rate on this election race as Floating heads in a jar.Tim_B said:
You've missed the point - it's an anti-Bush ad more than a pro-Rubio ad. Talking heads think it's ace.Speedy said:
That was a political ad on behalf of everyone but Rubio.Tim_B said:New political ad - it's killer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_xHVKvIEw
(P.S. Bush is really unpopular with republicans right now, so having an ad of him endorsing Rubio is not a good idea)
In other news the FBI is expanding - again - the Clinton email investigation and is now including her aides.0 -
Also worth noting Belgium has been invaded twice, and Denmark once, in the last 100 years.Sean_F said:
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !
Both countries were taken over.
Trident might seem like a waste of money - paying for something we'll never use - but it keeps us safe.0 -
What are tech behemoths to do
UK Law says they must track everyone and everything, whilst Belgian law will fine them for doing so.
What happens if you're a Belgian citizen communicating with your Uncle in Islamabad from your bedsit in London.
If Facebook inform GCHQ are they in breach of Belgian law :?0 -
They rely on NATO to protect them.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ireland isn't in NATO.Sean_F said:
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !
It's all very moral, to moan and bitch about nuclear weapons and defence expenditure, while expectin Uncle Sam to come to the rescue.0 -
Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French0 -
Not so - on commercials they're pretty much spot on.Speedy said:
So far the Talking heads have an accuracy rate on this election race as Floating heads in a jar.Tim_B said:
You've missed the point - it's an anti-Bush ad more than a pro-Rubio ad. Talking heads think it's ace.Speedy said:
That was a political ad on behalf of everyone but Rubio.Tim_B said:New political ad - it's killer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_xHVKvIEw
(P.S. Bush is really unpopular with republicans right now, so having an ad of him endorsing Rubio is not a good idea)
In other news the FBI is expanding - again - the Clinton email investigation and is now including her aides.
On Trump and Carson we're all amazed they've gone this long.
On Sanders - socialist and fried chicken purveyor - we're just amazed.0 -
In that case it's my favorite place.TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French 0 -
Didn't realise we had a nuclear defence system back in 1939, must have missed that one at school.Casino_Royale said:
Also worth noting Belgium has been invaded twice, and Denmark once, in the last 100 years.Sean_F said:
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !
Both countries were taken over.
Trident might seem like a waste of money - paying for something we'll never use - but it keeps us safe.0 -
Yebbut the southern half is inhabited by French-speakers!TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French0 -
The debates (happy hour starts in 20 minutes) should be interesting.
Jeb has to do well. He has a conference call with his big donors after the debate.
Carson isn't good on numbers. He has to get it right.
Rubio will be fine.
Carly should be in her element
Trump will do his shtick. I'd be great. It'll be 'yuge'
Christie should shine in happy hour.
At least we won't have the CNBC debacle again.
I still think the race is Rubio's to lose.0 -
The US is inhabited by English speakers - it doesn't make them britsSunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the southern half is inhabited by French-speakers!TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French 0 -
Who is the broadcaster for this debateTim_B said:The debates (happy hour starts in 20 minutes) should be interesting.
Jeb has to do well. He has a conference call with his big donors after the debate.
Carson isn't good on numbers. He has to get it right.
Rubio will be fine.
Carly should be in her element
Trump will do his shtick. I'd be great. It'll be 'yuge'
Christie should shine in happy hour.
At least we won't have the CNBC debacle again.
I still think the race is Rubio's to lose.0 -
Why did this news make me think of Hillary?
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/11/laughing-at-death-and-disaster-could-be-an-early-dementia-warning-sign/0 -
It's an FBN/WSJ debate - broadcast on Fox Business Network.Pulpstar said:
Who is the broadcaster for this debateTim_B said:The debates (happy hour starts in 20 minutes) should be interesting.
Jeb has to do well. He has a conference call with his big donors after the debate.
Carson isn't good on numbers. He has to get it right.
Rubio will be fine.
Carly should be in her element
Trump will do his shtick. I'd be great. It'll be 'yuge'
Christie should shine in happy hour.
At least we won't have the CNBC debacle again.
I still think the race is Rubio's to lose.
The 7pm debate is Santorum, Christie, Huckabee and Jindal.
The 9pm debate is Kasich, Bush, Rubio, Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina and Paul.
I believe you can stream it on foxbusiness.com0 -
As you watch tonight's debates, remember that at this point in 2007 Hillary Clinton was 20 points ahead of Barack Obama. It's all to play for.0
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You love the Queen - reallyTim_B said:
The US is inhabited by English speakers - it doesn't make them britsSunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the southern half is inhabited by French-speakers!TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French 0 -
I was born and will die a brit - but I'm an American tooSunil_Prasannan said:
You love the Queen - reallyTim_B said:
The US is inhabited by English speakers - it doesn't make them britsSunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the southern half is inhabited by French-speakers!TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French
I have 2 passports - and the UK one is 3 times the price of the US one.0 -
The US one doesn't request and require in the name of Her Majesty that you are granted access to (almost) any country in the worldTim_B said:
I was born and will die a brit - but I'm an American tooSunil_Prasannan said:
You love the Queen - reallyTim_B said:
The US is inhabited by English speakers - it doesn't make them britsSunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the southern half is inhabited by French-speakers!TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French
I have 2 passports - and the UK one is 3 times the price of the US one. 0 -
Too subtle, don't you think? The viewer needs to remember that (a) Bush attacked Rubio and (b) Rubio laughed it off. In Britain, only a small subset of viewers would recall that much - are Republican primary voters much more attentive?Tim_B said:
You've missed the point - it's an anti-Bush ad more than a pro-Rubio ad. Talking heads think it's ace.Speedy said:
That was a political ad on behalf of everyone but Rubio.Tim_B said:New political ad - it's killer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_xHVKvIEw
(P.S. Bush is really unpopular with republicans right now, so having an ad of him endorsing Rubio is not a good idea)
In other news the FBI is expanding - again - the Clinton email investigation and is now including her aides.0 -
Maybe that's why the UK one is so damned expensive!RobD said:
The US one doesn't request and require in the name of Her Majesty that you are granted access to (almost) any country in the worldTim_B said:
I was born and will die a brit - but I'm an American tooSunil_Prasannan said:
You love the Queen - reallyTim_B said:
The US is inhabited by English speakers - it doesn't make them britsSunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the southern half is inhabited by French-speakers!TheScreamingEagles said:Don't diss Belgium.
Awesome country that was created just to get up the noses of the French
I have 2 passports - and the UK one is 3 times the price of the US one. 0 -
From the CNBC debacle there are a couple of clips that got almost endless play on the news networks, including Cruz's putdown of the biased moderators, and Rubio's putdown of Bush. Everyone knows about it, which is why they made the ad, and why it's effective.NickPalmer said:
Too subtle, don't you think? The viewer needs to remember that (a) Bush attacked Rubio and (b) Rubio laughed it off. In Britain, only a small subset of viewers would recall that much - are Republican primary voters much more attentive?Tim_B said:
You've missed the point - it's an anti-Bush ad more than a pro-Rubio ad. Talking heads think it's ace.Speedy said:
That was a political ad on behalf of everyone but Rubio.Tim_B said:New political ad - it's killer....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_xHVKvIEw
(P.S. Bush is really unpopular with republicans right now, so having an ad of him endorsing Rubio is not a good idea)
In other news the FBI is expanding - again - the Clinton email investigation and is now including her aides.0 -
Christie's first move will be to grandstand with Airforce 1 in the South China Seas 0
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I thought Piyush was pretty good in that one 0
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Who is Piyush?Pulpstar said:I thought Piyush was pretty good in that one
The questions have been detailed, tough and fair. Designed to elicit info from the candidates.
Example - an unemployed woman in New Hampshire is on benefits: how would you incentivize her to work.
The one exception, echoing back to the CNBC debacle - name one Democrat you admire. They all leapt on it.0 -
Hmm Would Huckabee's tax plans be inflationary ?
Santorum's sounds quite workable.0 -
Be honest - we don't have enough info on any of them to run the numbers yet. As the campaign moves forward that will happen to some extent. The one to watch on this is Carson. He's pretty wobbly on numbers.Pulpstar said:Hmm Would Huckabee's tax plans be inflationary ?
Santorum's sounds quite workable.0 -
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Polaris/Trident, keeping us safe since 1066Casino_Royale said:
Also worth noting Belgium has been invaded twice, and Denmark once, in the last 100 years.Sean_F said:
They're all part of a nuclear-armed alliance.surbiton said:
Has Ireland been invaded ? Why doesn't Belgium, Denmark etc. feel the need for nuclear weapons ?Dair said:
This works very, very well for Iceland. Total Defence Spend 0.1% of GDP.Sean_F said:
As always, the argument is we should just rely on the Americans to do defence for the rest of us.MaxPB said:
Spending 2% of GDP on defence is part of the NATO charter, the SNP are committed to NATO. If they want to join NATO then break the terms of the membership as a new country and prove they are not trustworthy or a reliable ally then that is up to them, I don't think they would though and would pledge to maintain spending to meet the target. Scotland has a very rich history of defence and the public are supportive of the military. This is just your personal bullshit trying to make up a large figure to make yourself feel better about Scottish overspending in recent times (look at the deficit figures, Scotland's deficit was below the UK deficit every year until 2012/13) and that is down to SNP mismanagement more than anything else.Dair said:Few NATO countries spend anything like 2% of GDP on Defence, comparable nations to the size of Scotland are usually around 1% to 1.5%. The White Paper proposed a £1bn saving but that's higher than I would vote for in the first post-independence elections.
The UK's current extravagance on Defence to maintain the fiction of being a world power and remotely relevant to the geo-political situation is one of the most ridiculous hangovers from colonial Britain.
Trident has got nothing to do with defence. It is to allow the Military Industries complex to earn tons of money and for Unions to gloat that they have so many Unionised workers on the payroll. An unholy alliance !
Both countries were taken over.
Trident might seem like a waste of money - paying for something we'll never use - but it keeps us safe.0 -
Is that 'Bobby' as typed by the Association of Bad Spellers?Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was a good substantive debate. What a contrast to the CNBC debacle.
My initial reaction is that Christie won.0
