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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    edited 2015 11
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I thought Piyush was pretty good in that one :)

    Who is Piyush?
    Jindal's official first name.
    Is that 'Bobby' as typed by the Association of Bad Spellers? :)
    .
    Apparently he was a fan of Bobby in the "Brady Bunch" :lol:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I thought Piyush was pretty good in that one :)

    Who is Piyush?
    Jindal's official first name.
    Is that 'Bobby' as typed by the Association of Bad Spellers? :)
    .
    Apparently he was a fan of Bobby in the "Brady Bunch" :lol:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal
    I can't even remember the last time I watched that!
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    12% of Carly Fiorina supporters and 16% of undecideds believe the pyramids were for the use of aliens.

    and 14% of Rubio supporters are going for the grain storage theory...

    (I know, the numbers are far too small to make any conclusions at all. just amusing myself)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    12% of Carly Fiorina supporters and 16% of undecideds believe the pyramids were for the use of aliens.

    and 14% of Rubio supporters are going for the grain storage theory...

    (I know, the numbers are far too small to make any conclusions at all. just amusing myself)

    I thought they were for sharpening razor blades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_power
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Tim_B said:

    12% of Carly Fiorina supporters and 16% of undecideds believe the pyramids were for the use of aliens.

    and 14% of Rubio supporters are going for the grain storage theory...

    (I know, the numbers are far too small to make any conclusions at all. just amusing myself)

    I thought they were for sharpening razor blades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_power
    good point. next time I feel my razors are getting blunt, I'll just trek over to egypt and get them sorted. Maybe bring back some grain while I'm at it.

    How to get this message out to the republican grass roots tho?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    12% of Carly Fiorina supporters and 16% of undecideds believe the pyramids were for the use of aliens.

    and 14% of Rubio supporters are going for the grain storage theory...

    (I know, the numbers are far too small to make any conclusions at all. just amusing myself)

    I thought they were for sharpening razor blades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_power
    good point. next time I feel my razors are getting blunt, I'll just trek over to egypt and get them sorted. Maybe bring back some grain while I'm at it.

    How to get this message out to the republican grass roots tho?
    Tell them to watch Spectre - Bond's good at close shaves :)
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    totally o/t my son was warned about the risk of monkey attack at school yesterday..

    he made sure to carefully lock all the windows before bed.

    No sightings so far. I even ran in the woods this morning. Saw a few persimmons, but few wild beasts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_macaque
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    totally o/t my son was warned about the risk of monkey attack at school yesterday..

    he made sure to carefully lock all the windows before bed.

    No sightings so far. I even ran in the woods this morning. Saw a few persimmons, but few wild beasts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_macaque

    They might attack you - ahem - gibbon half a chance......
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Piyush being interviewed on FBN now
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Tim_B said:

    totally o/t my son was warned about the risk of monkey attack at school yesterday..

    he made sure to carefully lock all the windows before bed.

    No sightings so far. I even ran in the woods this morning. Saw a few persimmons, but few wild beasts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_macaque

    They might attack you - ahem - gibbon half a chance......
    :)

    there have been some attacks in the past round here. but the most recent one was suspected to be an ex pet or zoo animal. It only attacked women for some reason.

    TO be fair to my boy, he is probably about the same size as a Nihonzaru (macaque) so it might be a bit scary.

    meanwhile , gibbons sound a lot like clangers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewZ15l_ryb8
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    totally o/t my son was warned about the risk of monkey attack at school yesterday..

    he made sure to carefully lock all the windows before bed.

    No sightings so far. I even ran in the woods this morning. Saw a few persimmons, but few wild beasts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_macaque

    They might attack you - ahem - gibbon half a chance......
    :)

    there have been some attacks in the past round here. but the most recent one was suspected to be an ex pet or zoo animal. It only attacked women for some reason.

    TO be fair to my boy, he is probably about the same size as a Nihonzaru (macaque) so it might be a bit scary.

    meanwhile , gibbons sound a lot like clangers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewZ15l_ryb8
    Where is 'here'? I'm assuming it's not Budleigh Salterton or Cheltenham.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Tim_B said:


    Where is 'here'? I'm assuming it's not Budleigh Salterton or Cheltenham.

    Shizuoka prefecture, Japan — hence Japanese macaques. there's a surprising amount of wild beasts. Boars and Bears (though bears are mainly further north), too
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 11

    Tim_B said:


    Where is 'here'? I'm assuming it's not Budleigh Salterton or Cheltenham.

    Shizuoka prefecture, Japan — hence Japanese macaques. there's a surprising amount of wild beasts. Boars and Bears (though bears are mainly further north), too
    We have Canadian bacon here - we're not Canada, but the great state of Georgia.

    I know Japan well - I've seen "You Only Live Twice" many many times. :lol:

    - and of course the Top Gear race there ;)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    We have an Australian asking questions tonight on Fox.
    I will try to write as fast as possible to keep up with the debate.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    We have an Australian asking questions tonight on Fox.
    I will try to write as fast as possible to keep up with the debate.

    Not Fox, not Fox News, but Fox Business.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    First question on the economy, "as we gather in this august theater" Mr Trump are you sympathetic on a minimum wage rise:

    Trump: I'm not, we don't win anymore, i've got a tremendous plan, taxes and salaries are too high. I will not raise the minimum wage.

    Carson: I'm delighted to be here, my granddaughter is here, people need to be educated as wages rise black people get less jobs, wages should come down, when I was young , opportunity, not dependent. I would not raise it because people should enter the job market.

    Rubio: My parents, my father was a bar tender, they bought a home and the american dream, everyone has rich people but the economy does not create jobs, if you raise the wage people would be more expensive, tax reform ,energy, repeal obamacare, vocational training ,
    more welders less philosophers, so to increase wages.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    National debt question, on Kasich and his record in Ohio and tax plans.

    Kasich: In Ohio, we did increase the minimum wage, my father was a coalminer, my mother did not speak english, people need help, cut taxes but not much, i got the only balanced budget plan, we have to be responsible, kasich.com, balance the budget and cut taxes, job creation and god given potential, don't look the other way, Ohio.
    Medicare growth cut, I innovate, I have a job to do, freeze non-defence spending, balanced budget, job growth Ohio.

    An IMF and recession question on Cruz over taxes:

    Cruz: It's great to be here, it's an important question how to bring economic growth , the obama economy a disaster, tax reform, flat tax 10% , booming growth and millions of jobs, army's of regulators and sound money, Calvin Cooledge, Kennedy and Reagan, leadership.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Bush tries to answer, Kasich intervenes over a tax idea of his.

    Now a Bush question, regulkation to jobs and 4% GDP growth,.

    Bush: we can go to 4% GDP, tax reform, the WSJ says cut t20% taxes, china and explosion of investment, repeal all of obamas rules, ban regulation of internet, repeal clean water act, repeal the rules, repeal all the rules, small businesses are closing, 1 in 10 people are not working, 1 in 7 live in poverty it's not the best america can do.

    Now to Fiorina, a jobs number growth question.

    Fiorina: I think about that question about a woman I met, she said I go to bed every night afraid of the future, government crushing the economic engine, big government is big business called politics, we need to do 5 things, 1. base budget, 2. 3 page tax code, not make congress and we have to hold him accountable, president Fiorina take your government back.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Now a question to Paul, income inequality.

    Paul: Absolutely, in cities run by democrats and countries run by democrats it's worse, FED did it worse with low interest rates, big banks on N.Y., FED, FED, as the dollar falls prices rise FED, less income inequality= republican mayors and governors.

    And that was part 1.

    Verdict, Rubio was the best on round one, Paul and Trump the worst, it was tricky on the minimum wage question, Trump failed on that but Rubio was the best one to try to hide the cut in minimum wage behind a flurry of nonsense.

    The debate is much more fluid now with less candidates on stage and the moderators are very careful not to hit them.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I'll leave the play by play to Speedy (keep it up Speedster!) but this debate is a much better format. Detailed substantive questions and the candidates get time to talk without interruption.

    Fox News hit it out of the park with the first debate. CNN hit a triple with the second, CNBC struck out with the third. From what I've seen so far Fox Business is doing great with this. We need answers to difficult detailed questions eliciting information from the candidates, and try to get them off their talking points. Difficult job with Trump.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Round 2.

    Carson is questioned by the moderators about his decency.

    Carson: The fact of the matter is that candidates should be vetted, the problem is not vetting but lying, Hillary lied on the Benghazi committee, we have to start treating people the same, people who know me thing I'm an honest question.

    A question to Trump about illegal immigration.

    Trump: I was so happy to see the court strike down obamas orders, we have to stop illegal immigration, drugs and economy are hit, it was a terrific thing that the court did, the wall will be built and it works ask isreal, we are a country of laws, we have no option in order to be a country.

    Kasich: Reagan did something else, if people think we will ship 11 million people think about the families, if they are law abiding come on folks it's a silly argument.

    Trump: You are lucky in Ohio with oil, I like Eisenhower who moved millions of illegal immigrants and they never came back, we have no choice we have no choice.

    Bush: May I
    Kasich: I erm ey

    Trump: you should let Bush speak.

    Kasich: Little faults and things don't work we can't do it.

    Trump: I built a great company I don't have to hear it from him.

    Bush: Thanks Donald for allowing me to speak, we can't deport them because we will rip them apart, we have to win the presidency with practical plans.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Trump: we have millions of people who want to come here legally, it's unfair for them.

    Now to Rubio, question about traditional jobs.

    Rubio: excellent question, the economy is being transformed, candy crush, global competition, and we lose it due to taxes, healthcare law, energy resources, outdated education system, regulation repeal obamacare, new american century.

    Now to Cruz, social security question.

    Cruz: My mother is here and I don't believe about pushing grannies of cliffs, social security reform for new people, if republicans join democrats for amnesty we will lose, the politics would be different if the immigrants were lowering wages in the press and bankers, it's offencive to say that we are anti-immigrant, i'm the son of an immigrant, we have to enforce the laws.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I think you can get live streaming video at foxbusiness.com
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Tim_B said:


    I know Japan well - I've seen "You Only Live Twice" many many times. :lol:

    it's practically a documentary. I've read the book too:

    You only live twice-
    Once when you are born
    And once when you look death in the face

    (Is that right? James bond's haiku has the wrong number of syllables and no season signifier [unless you count death=winter though a bit too tenuous I think])

    And doesn't bond end the book with no memory of who he is believing himself to be Japanese?

    Great soundtrack too, of course.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    A facebook question "how to get rid on regulation on business".

    Fiorina: Obamacare has to repealed, it was written by companies, big government, repeal obamacare, give the power back to states, free market on insurance schemes, the government should do something to disclose what companies offer, the secret sauce of america is innovation, we have to take the government back, it's crushed by government, repeal regulatory thickit, Scott Walker.

    Moderator: you want to repeal obamacare what is the alternative.

    Fiorina: you can't allow families, obamacare, medicaid, obamacare is crushing small busineess, the free market with states.

    And that is round 2.

    Verdict.

    Trump won that and provided the best lines of the night with his fight with Kasich over immigration, Kasich was terrible on this constantly interrupting and being rude to even Bush, and Rubio was painful to watch trying to square the circle.

    Trump was the only winner, Kasich and Rubio were the losers of this round, Trump might have even won the debate on this.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:


    I know Japan well - I've seen "You Only Live Twice" many many times. :lol:

    it's practically a documentary. I've read the book too:

    You only live twice-
    Once when you are born
    And once when you look death in the face

    (Is that right? James bond's haiku has the wrong number of syllables and no season signifier [unless you count death=winter though a bit too tenuous I think])

    And doesn't bond end the book with no memory of who he is believing himself to be Japanese?

    Great soundtrack too, of course.
    One of John Barry's finest, along with Goldfinger, Out of Africa and Dances With Wolves.

    I've not read the book since I was at school. From what I recall the only thing the book and movie had in common was the title.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Round 3.
    Taxes.

    Question to Carson, about flat tax and God and Trump, "Whose tax plan would GOD endorse? "

    Carson: Get rid of all the deductions and loopholes, a lot of people would say that getting rid of deductions people had homes before 1930's and charities, it's fair, I do care about poor people, there will be a rebate on poor people, there will be a lot of opportunities for poor people.

    Question to Paul, is your plan a risk for a budget crisis.

    Paul: I wan't to but more money to private individuals, small government to small to see, cut 1% across the board, my tax plan gets rid of payroll tax, 14.5% for corporations and individuals.

    Question to Cruz, how will your plan work.

    Cruz: the current system isn't fair, the IRS code is longer than the Bible, no taxes whatsoever until a threshold, above that 10% flat tax, 16% corporate flat tax, this is fair, TedCruz.org, eliminates the death tax and abolishes the IRS, economic growth, 14% increase in income, 5000$ in your pocket, exports are free but imports pay 16% tax, cost 3.6 trillion over 6 years.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Cruz: I would cut the IRS, the department of commerce, the department of energy, the department of commerce (twice).

    A question to Bush, is tax reform important.

    Bush: I will fight to simplify the tax code, it's the highest priority, 2% growth means poverty, growing the economy, disposable income is down, jump start the economy, Jonathan Love and Reagan Love want to start a business in S.Carolina, Hillary means more taxes and regulation.

    Question to Rubio, is your tax plan risky.

    Rubio: the job of being a parent is important, if families are strong you are taught values, out tax form is pro family, 35 out of 50 states child care is more expensive that college,I'm proud to have a pro-family tax plan.

    Paul; Is it fiscally conservative to increase 1 trillion dollars spending, a new wealth fare program plus 1 trillion in extra defence spending is not conservative for Rubio.

    Rubio: this is their money, if you invest it to people, the US is the strongest military power.

    Paul: How is it conservative to add trillions in spending.

    Rubio; Radical jihadists, China, I know the world is safe when america is the strongest military power.

    Paul: I don't believe about debt being safe, is being liberal on military spending, I want a strong defence but not bankruptcy.

    Cruz: Not defending it more expensive, reduce spending on sugar subsities to pay for defence increases.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 11
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:


    I know Japan well - I've seen "You Only Live Twice" many many times. :lol:

    it's practically a documentary. I've read the book too:

    You only live twice-
    Once when you are born
    And once when you look death in the face

    (Is that right? James bond's haiku has the wrong number of syllables and no season signifier [unless you count death=winter though a bit too tenuous I think])

    And doesn't bond end the book with no memory of who he is believing himself to be Japanese?

    Great soundtrack too, of course.
    One of John Barry's finest, along with Goldfinger, Out of Africa and Dances With Wolves.

    I've not read the book since I was at school. From what I recall the only thing the book and movie had in common was the title.
    "The Ipcress File" could be described as the theme tune to the Cold War...

    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    Barry's theme to Walkabout is almost Delian in its intensity and beauty...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM15oUjdXh4
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    A couple of candidates have proposed abolishing the IRS. The unspoken subtext is that the IRS is the enforcement mechanism for Obamacare, and without it Obamacare collapses almost immediately. Anyone who filled out an IRS income tax form 1040 last year knows how much of it is now Obamacare related.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Fiorina: we need to combine spending cuts wit tax reform, all the money is spoken for, zero based budgeting, every dollar can be cut, 3 page tax code, strip corruption.

    Trump: we have to make the military bigger better stronger, I agree with Marco and Ted, each of our tax plans is better that todays mess.

    Kasich: I hate to crash the party.

    Question on Trump on TPP:

    Trump: TPP is horrible deal, it's a deal designed for China, it's 5600 pages long like obamacare nobody read it, it's the worst trade deal, i would like to make individual deals, we are losing with China, Japan, Mexico, I love trade but we don't have smart people. China and India takes advantage of us through currency manipulation and it's not discussed in the deal, it should not be approved, i want to brink back jobs back to the deal.

    Paul: China is not part of the deal.

    Moderator: China does not like the deal.

    Paul: I like to filibuster the power of the president, Trump is right that we should not give power to the president.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RodCrosby said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:


    I know Japan well - I've seen "You Only Live Twice" many many times. :lol:

    it's practically a documentary. I've read the book too:

    You only live twice-
    Once when you are born
    And once when you look death in the face

    (Is that right? James bond's haiku has the wrong number of syllables and no season signifier [unless you count death=winter though a bit too tenuous I think])

    And doesn't bond end the book with no memory of who he is believing himself to be Japanese?

    Great soundtrack too, of course.
    One of John Barry's finest, along with Goldfinger, Out of Africa and Dances With Wolves.

    I've not read the book since I was at school. From what I recall the only thing the book and movie had in common was the title.
    "The Ipcress File" could be described as the theme tune to the Cold War...

    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    Barry's theme to Walkabout was almost Delian in its intensity and beauty...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM15oUjdXh4
    I remember the sad insistence of The Ipcress File. I'm a big John Barry fan.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Tim_B said:

    A couple of candidates have proposed abolishing the IRS. The unspoken subtext is that the IRS is the enforcement mechanism for Obamacare, and without it Obamacare collapses almost immediately. Anyone who filled out an IRS income tax form 1040 last year knows how much of it is now Obamacare related.

    Isn't it one check box? :p
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    That was round 3.

    Dominated by Paul vs Rubio on conservative spending and welfare on children, Rubio got the better on him, Trump scored on the TPP a bit though Paul and the moderator pushed back.

    Rubio won this round thanks to his fight with Paul dominating this round. Kasich is turning into an embarrassment.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    A couple of candidates have proposed abolishing the IRS. The unspoken subtext is that the IRS is the enforcement mechanism for Obamacare, and without it Obamacare collapses almost immediately. Anyone who filled out an IRS income tax form 1040 last year knows how much of it is now Obamacare related.

    Isn't it one check box? :p
    If you have not had healthcare coverage you have to specify for which months and then if you had Obamacare and then there is a formula to work out the fine. Our CPA spent about 20 minutes working out my daughter's Obamacare info on her tax return.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Round 4.
    Terrorism.

    Question to Carson, why are you against troops in Iraq and Syria.

    Carson: It's better to have special forces in Syria than not, Putin is trying to spread his influence Syria is his base, we can't give up ground, global jihadists want to destroy us, we need to make them look like loses by destroying the caliphate in Iraq, we have to destroy them before they destroy us.

    And now a facebook question, what is the biggest threat?

    Bush: Islamic terrorism, we shouldn't withdraw troops from Iraq, no-fly zone in Syria support the rebels, safe zones, with american leadership, tragic for Iraq talking to Russia, leadership and the economy.

    Question to Trump: is Russia our biggest enemy.
    Trump; Let Putin get rid of ISIS for us, we have a country that is going to hell.

    Bush: Trump is wrong, we have to be the worlds leader, Putin going to get rid of Isis is wrong.

    Trump: Assad is a bad guy, but no one knows who the rebels are, we are giving hundreds of million of weapons to people we don't know, look at Libya, look at the mess there, we should have kept the oil, Iran and ISIS got the oil.

    Fiorina: I would not talk to Putin from a position of weakness, I talk to Putin personally, Star Wars, six fleet ,troops to Germany. Russia should not say were america can put it's planes.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    RodCrosby said:


    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    I think it's the best of the Bonds all round.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Much has been made of the debacle that was the CNBC debate. Maria Bartiromo (asking the questions tonight) was on CNBC for many years, known as the 'money honey' as she was one of few females in the financial coverage arena.

    She saw the light and jumped to Fox Business a couple of years ago..
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    RodCrosby said:


    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    I think it's the best of the Bonds all round.

    OHMSS is much better regarded today than it was when it came out. I got to attend the premiere at the Odeon Leicester Square as an 18 year old. Had to be in our seats an hour before.

    For me Goldfinger is still the best. It was the start of the Bond phenomenon and where the girls, gadgets, pace, sound track and exotic locations first came together. It remains the standard by which all others are judged.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Fiorina: I would arms all our allies in our middle east , kurds, saudis, egyptians bahrainins.

    Question to Paul, should to include Iran to talks.

    Paul: it's naive and foolish to not to talk to Russia, a no fly zone against Russian planes over iraq means shooting russian planes.
    Fiorina: reykiavik

    Trump: why is she interrupting everybody

    Paul; we didn't discontinue talks in the cold war, shooting russians planes is stupid, i would not arm the rebels and the allies of al qaeda, we pushed back assad and ISIS grew.

    Rubio: I never met Putin but he's a gangster, he understands only strength, obama disrespects isreal and our allies don't trust us, and the russians take advantage of us, ISIS is everywhere and they are coming for us, they hate us because of women either we win or they win.

    Question to Kasick on China, will you stop chinese investment in america.

    Kasich: if you attack us with cyberattacks we will destroy you, arm the ukrainian people, no fly zone in syria and jordan, saudi arabia should cut funding, jordan, egypt, the cleveland clinic is opening an operation in the gulf states, TPP is critical for foreign policy and strategic alliances against China, when we run for Hillary it will be a disaster if she wins, we must make solid policies, Ohio, Ohio.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    End of round 4.

    It was a feisty mess, I don't know who won, but there were 2 clear camps between Paul and Trump on one side and all the rest on the other turning aggressive foreign policy to almost declaring war on Russia and China.

    Rubio, Fiorina and Kasich are crazy people on this, threatening military action on Russia and China is nuts.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 11

    RodCrosby said:


    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    I think it's the best of the Bonds all round.

    It's good, closest to the novel probably, Lazenby's turn is singular, but worthy of respect. Bond shows his human side, and the plot is vaguely plausible. Great music too. Almost a Christmas movie, it has such a feelgood factor. (^_-)

    But Thunderball steals it for me. The hottest women by far, and real sadism, including sexual sadism that inexplicably escaped the censor in 1965...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Round 5.
    Should you bailout the banks?

    Bush: Banks should not be too big to fail, raise capital requirements, I was in Washington Iowa ermm oh anyway, I talked to a banker and they had not one bad loan during the economic crisis, Hillary was fore TPP now she's against it.

    Question on banking to Carson:

    Carson: we should have policies that banks should not enlarge them selves, low interest rates created the problem on the first place, a stamped of regulations costs money and shift it to the individual and it hits the poor and the middle class, Sanders and Hillary will say take the money from the rich, we need to go back, I would not allow breaking the banks.

    Rubio: The government made the banks big with regulations, the small banks don't exist, Dodd-Frank made banks too big to fail we need to repeal it.

    Kasich: There is too much greed on Wall Street, a free capitalist system that doesn't have values needs a good ethics lesson.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:


    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    I think it's the best of the Bonds all round.

    It's good, closest to the novel probably, Lazenby's turn is singular, but worthy of respect. Bond shows his human side, and the plot is vaguely plausible. Great music too. Almost a Christmas movie, it has such a feelgood factor. (^_-)

    But Thunderball steals it for me. The hottest women by far, and real sadism, including sexual sadism that inexplicably escaped the censor in 1965...
    It's close, but I think From Russia With Love is closest to the novel.

    Thunderball is very good, but the terrible continuity - particularly in the long underwater fight - ruins it.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Question on Cruz about crony banks:

    Cruz: I will absolutely not bailout the banks, the rich absolutely love big government, fundamental corruption, 6 out of the 10 richest counties is around Washington due to corruption, the IRS had exceptions for accountants but not for a small black woman businessman. What the FED is doing know is philosophy kings, loose money caused bubbles and the crash, I support going back to gold, if there is a run on a bank the FED should be the lender of last resort but not a bailout, go back to sound money, brenton woods.

    Kasich: An executive has to decide about floods, shootings, bank bailouts, philosophy doesn't work, we need an executive.

    Cruz: Why you would bailout big banks and not the small guy.

    Kasich: In the end of the day

    Cruz: What would you do

    Kasich: As an executive (booo by the audience), with banks going under we have to deal with bank savings (boo).

    Fiorina: Socialism starts when governments create the problem and step in the problem, Freddie May, Dodd-Frank classic, consumer protection agency is socialism.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,238
    I think Fiorina's blown it with the aside about her meeting with Putin not being in a green room after she's previously described it as being in a 'sort of a green room setting'.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    I think Fiorina's blown it with the aside about her meeting with Putin not being in a green room after she's previously described it as being in a 'sort of a green room setting'.

    she just pulled it back.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Verdict of Round 5.

    Cruz the winner, Kasich the loser again.

    On some rounds not all candidates get questions, in this round it was Trump on the last round it was Carson, so they tend to be invisible and let the others shine through. This time Cruz and Kasich got into a big fight about the banks, Cruz crushed him and Kasich got booed by the audience for his support for bank bailouts.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Round 6.
    Hillary

    Question to Rubio, why should people trust you and not her.

    Rubio: Good question, this election is about the future, it's a generational question, america is an exceptional country, we have a society that is changing, student loans and no jobs, around the world america is losing, and Hillary was apart, everytime they question they say a new tax on this, we will be the new party of the 21st century.

    Cruz: Every region in the world everything is bad because of her, Hillary embodies cronyism in Washington.


    Question to Trump, is your tax plan a one time bounty for pirates.

    Trump: A corporate inversion, companies leave the US to other countries, they leave because they can't get their offshore money in, all the money should come in, 10% tax, getting rid of roadblocks, lets make america great again.

    Question to Paul, continue the energy boom while combating climate change.

    Paul: repealing the clean power act, nature, temperatures change all the time, we need to balance with a clean economy, obama destroyed Kentucky, yes to solar hydro coal and gas, don't shut down the coal plants, all of the above.

    Bush: technologies reduced carbon and will create more jobs, in Florida we did, carbon .
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    End of round 6.

    A very short round, not much controversy, Rubio waffled a lot, but otherwise no winners or losers.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    Closing statements.

    Paul: I'm the only fiscal conservative

    Kasich: It's about balanced budgets, stronger families, wealth.

    Fiorina: Imagine a Clinton presidency, a bad picture, corrosion, Carly Fiorina can beat Hillary Clinton (talking on the third person).

    Bush: We need a commander in chief.

    Cruz: 58 years ago my father left Cuba, the promise of america, I believe in america, I believe 2016 will be like 1980.

    Rubio: The story of america is a great story, this election should be a different choice, the 21st new american century.

    Carson: In these 2 hours 5 people have died, babies have been killed in abortion, veterans have died, never give it up for political correctness.

    Trump: I created a great company, I'm selfunding, we can't let Hillary to win.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Tim_B said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:


    OHMSS I think had the first synth soundtrack in a major film. And "We have all the time in the World" is easily the best enduring ballad of the Bond series.

    I think it's the best of the Bonds all round.

    It's good, closest to the novel probably, Lazenby's turn is singular, but worthy of respect. Bond shows his human side, and the plot is vaguely plausible. Great music too. Almost a Christmas movie, it has such a feelgood factor. (^_-)

    But Thunderball steals it for me. The hottest women by far, and real sadism, including sexual sadism that inexplicably escaped the censor in 1965...
    It's close, but I think From Russia With Love is closest to the novel.

    Thunderball is very good, but the terrible continuity - particularly in the long underwater fight - ruins it.
    Who cares.

    Just fast forward a bit to Fiona Volpe (Mmm... this bed feels like a cage, all these bars. Do you think I will be -[voice cracks in a blissful moan] *safe*?)

    or Domino ([Largo threatening Domino with a cigar and ice cubes] You've given me much pleasure Domino, but unless you tell me how much Bond knows, I will be forced to cause you great pain. This for heat, these for cold - applied scientifically and slowly...)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 11
    Debate done - initial conclusions:

    Rubio won overall

    Fiorina was impressive - she can get more information into fewer syllables than anyone else. Her problem is translating debate performance into poll numbers

    Jeb is in trouble. The debate format doesn't suit him.

    Trump was Trump. His achilles heel is he doesn't do detail. Every time the debate went into the weeds he was quiet.

    Carson had his moments.

    How will tonight's debate shuffle the deck? I have no idea.

    Fox Business had a great debate.

    Iowa in just over 80 days....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 11
    And that's it.

    It was a good proper debate for a change.

    3 clear winners from this: Trump, Rubio and Cruz
    1 clear loser: Kasich

    Carson came away unscathed so that's a win for him, Bush didn't shine so that's a minus to him, Fiorina was unbearable at some points but a general meah, Paul got into many nasty fights and he didn't come away ok from them but better than Kasich.

    My final rating is:

    Trump 8/10
    Rubio 7/10
    Cruz 7/10
    Carson 7/10
    Bush 5/10
    Fiorina 4/10
    Paul 4/10
    Kasich 1/10

    3 Critical fights:

    1.Trump vs Kasich, Rubio and Bush on illegal immigration.

    Trump won that one easily and buried them with Eisenhower.

    2.Cruz vs Kasich on bank bailouts.

    Cruz won that easily, Kasich was clearly in big trouble especially with the audience trying to defend the banks.

    3. Paul, Trump vs Rubio, Bush, Kasich, Fiorina (the big fight) on foreign policy.

    I wouldn't trust Rubio, Kasich and Fiorina on foreign or military affairs after this, they would cause WW3 and nuclear armageddon in an instant, they just overdone it. However given the jingoism of republican voters it probably didn't hurt them. Trump was the only grownup on foreign policy for a change.
    Paul discovered a new weakness of Rubio, that Rubio is the only one that wants to drastically increase spending by trillions, however he didn't exploit it correctly by comparing him with democrats and allowed Rubio to beat him on defence.

    Carson was largely invisible on those fights and didn't participate in them, which might be bad TV but good in avoiding controversy.

    This debate won't change numbers that much since the top 4 in the polls also did the best in the debate.
    And with that goodnight.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 11
    Speedy said:

    And that's it.

    It was a good proper debate for a change.

    3 clear winners from this: Trump, Rubio and Cruz
    1 clear loser: Kasich

    Carson came away unscathed so that's a win for him, Bush didn't shine so that's a minus to him, Fiorina was unbearable at some points but a general meah, Paul got into many nasty fights and he didn't come away ok from them but better than Kasich.

    My final rating is:

    Trump 8/10
    Rubio 7/10
    Cruz 7/10
    Carson 7/10
    Bush 5/10
    Fiorina 4/10
    Paul 4/10
    Kasich 1/10

    3 Critical fights:

    1.Trump vs Kasich, Rubio and Bush on illegal immigration.

    Trump won that one easily and buried them with Eisenhower.

    2.Cruz vs Kasich on bank bailouts.

    Cruz won that easily, Kasich was clearly in big trouble especially with the audience trying to defend the banks.

    3. Paul, Trump vs Rubio, Bush, Kasich, Fiorina (the big fight) on foreign policy.

    I wouldn't trust Rubio, Kasich and Fiorina on foreign or military affairs after this, they would cause WW3 and nuclear armageddon in an instant, they just overdone it. However given the jingoism of republican voters it probably didn't hurt them. Trump was the only grownup on foreign policy for a change.
    Paul discovered a new weakness of Rubio, that Rubio is the only one that wants to drastically increase spending by trillions, however he didn't exploit it correctly by comparing him with democrats and allowed Rubio to beat him on defence.

    Carson was largely invisible on those fights and didn't participate in them, which might be bad TV but good in avoiding controversy.

    This debate won't change numbers that much since the top 4 in the polls also did the best in the debate.
    And with that goodnight.

    Good job on the blogging Speedy, and surprisingly few typos :)

    You need to watch these things through American eyes though......


    One other note - Carly Fiorina was chair of the CIA external advisory board. She has a high security clearance and knows her stuff on foreign policy.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    75% of Republicans believing the right answer - presumably a bit higher for the overall population, seems pretty reasonable. In my experience any historical question won't get better than that from any country's population.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    A fair few of my Facebook friends who fill my timeline with Jezlamist stuff have also been posting, and seemingly believing, this story http://www.ancient-code.com/scientists-geological-evidence-shows-the-great-sphinx-is-800000-years-old/
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    A fair few of my Facebook friends who fill my timeline with Jezlamist stuff have also been posting, and seemingly believing, this story http://www.ancient-code.com/scientists-geological-evidence-shows-the-great-sphinx-is-800000-years-old/

    Which, unsurprisingly, is also a recent TapNews story http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/geological-evidence-shows-the-great-sphinx-is-800000-years-old/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    Good morning, everyone.

    Be glad when the hound's teething is done. She had more blood than usual yesterday, but I think that was because it was one of the large back teeth coming through. Couldn't see any at all this morning.

    And Carson's stupid.

    Consider how much of a pyramid's interior is open space. Not much.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    A fair few of my Facebook friends who fill my timeline with Jezlamist stuff have also been posting, and seemingly believing, this story http://www.ancient-code.com/scientists-geological-evidence-shows-the-great-sphinx-is-800000-years-old/

    Which, unsurprisingly, is also a recent TapNews story http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/geological-evidence-shows-the-great-sphinx-is-800000-years-old/
    If ISIS take over Egypt the fate of various monuments may well be similar to Palmyra.

    I am glad that I saw them when I did. I would not go now, and they may not be around forever.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    How can we be unequivocally certain Osborne is right to pursue tax credit cuts?

    @politicshome: Gordon Brown urges Osborne to abandon tax credit cuts altogether: https://t.co/U7d9Ei7sk5 https://t.co/AmMs4vaWdv
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    How can we be unequivocally certain Osborne is right to pursue tax credit cuts?

    @politicshome: Gordon Brown urges Osborne to abandon tax credit cuts altogether: https://t.co/U7d9Ei7sk5 https://t.co/AmMs4vaWdv

    It's astonishing that they have managed to make the grand total of 16 hours work per week whilst being given tens of thousands in handouts sound like an incentive to work, doing a twenty hour shift down t'pit and mean that people are 'independent'.

    Astonishing message fail by the government so far.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    Mr. Chestnut, indeed. Shockingly bad communications by the Government/Treasury/Osborne.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    'We would not be able to build today' ? Leaving aside the fact we wouldn't be able to build them in the area they are (the Egyptians might have something to say about a fourth great pyramid), and the planning and financing costs, what technically could we not do?

    'We' could easily build them, and it would be much easier with modern kit and organisation.

    You must also remember (as you undoubtedly know) that the great pyramids were at the end of a long evolution of pyramids, from mud-brick tomb covers, through 'simple' stepped structures, to the grand pyramids. As such, the technological, societal and organisational skills and structures required did not spring into existence overnight, but evolved.

    You cannot take the building of the Giza pyramids out of that context (unlike some of the more 'interesting' theories, which say the smaller pyramids were later third-rate attempts to copy the Giza pyramids).

    It'd be like taking Salisbury Cathedral with its amazing spire out of the context of all the churches and cathedrals that were built before it.




    It is the accuracy of the building of the pyramids that we would not be able to repeat. Numerous building developers/architects etc have been simply flummoxed at how they did it and have stated that you could not build to that accuracy today. Each side of the great pyramid is accurate to less than 60mm, this despite the base area being 13 acres.

    The ceiling of one of the chambers is made up of 75 ton blocks of granite. They have been cut so accurately that they require no cement product to join them, they butt to each other so perfectly that you cannot get a scaple between them. A boeing 737 at full take off load weighs 75 tons. How did they cut the granite it so accurately using only copper tools on granite and then lift each stone into place. Remember no levers, no wheels.Have you seen the size of crane that is needed to lift 75 tons? Salisbury Cathedral is amazing but these pyramids are 100 times more amazing. It is a shame that the pyramid cover stones were removed in the 12th Century as these covered the entire surface of the pyramid and were cut incredibly accurately so that the whole of the pyramid was polished and smooth

    Another interesting momument is the Serapeum of Saqqara. here sacred cows were buried in huge granite sarcophagus. Again these were carved out of 50-100 ton blacks of granite to amazing accuracy, the square in each bottom corner is perfect to a 1/100 of a mm. Again all they had was copper chisels
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