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antifrank said:

OldKingCole said:

The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.

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Cyclefree said:

As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

I would disagree with Point 3 ... very few people without Irish ancesrty (and quite a few of those who have) Left, Right or Centre have any real understanding of Irish history and consequently make lazy assumptions.
And with Point 4 ... so far. The position might change.

Otherwise as one who has, although with no Irish connections, tried to make some sense of it for his own interest, I agree.

TheScreamingEagles said:

antifrank said:

Anyway, I showed huge self-restraint not including any references to tanks, bombs, bombs and guns anywhere in this thread header.

On a Zombie related theme. I've managed to draft a thread which talks about the Zombie Apocalypse in the opening sentence.

Is it about AV?

Cyclefree said:

antifrank said:

OldKingCole said:

The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.

PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

I'm quite beyond redemption.

Jeremy Corbyn.........

http://hurryupharry.org/2015/11/08/jeremy-corbyn-and-daud-abdullah/

This man and his gang need to be kept well away from power.

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

antifrank said:

Anyway, I showed huge self-restraint not including any references to tanks, bombs, bombs and guns anywhere in this thread header.

On a Zombie related theme. I've managed to draft a thread which talks about the Zombie Apocalypse in the opening sentence.

On a thread-related theme, I wrote and uploaded that piece you suggested I write on Saturday. Any chance it might get published?

It'll get published. I'll remind Mike in a bit.

Cheers.

AndyJS said:

A bit depressing that the London Olympics, which seemed such a positive occasion at the time, is now said to have been "sabotaged":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

Also nonsense. Trying very hard to get a local angle on a story that, frankly, doesn't need it.

HurstLlama said:

O/T

Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow).

@LUCYITV: Tonight could be the mildest November night on record... https://t.co/JSEJEM2d7e @ITVCentral

Richard_Tyndall said:

david_herdson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

watford30 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

F Off it was.

Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?

Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.

Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.

Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.

Britain, and Europe as a whole, held a rather lower value on human life in 1918 than it had in 1914. I'm not aware of how many Irish towns were burned - I can't imagine it'd that many otherwise it'd be a folk memory - but it was a country in revolt against authority. Compare and contrast with the US civil war, for example, or the Spanish one.

That's not to excuse the excesses of the Black and Tans or other forces but civil wars by their nature are nasty things (as Ireland proved immediately afterwards), and best avoided in the first place.

OldKingCole said:

Cyclefree said:

As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

I would disagree with Point 3 ... very few people without Irish ancesrty (and quite a few of those who have) Left, Right or Centre have any real understanding of Irish history and consequently make lazy assumptions.
And with Point 4 ... so far. The position might change.

Otherwise as one who has, although with no Irish connections, tried to make some sense of it for his own interest, I agree.

Agreed. Points 2 and 3 pretty much cover the entire political spectrum. Many on the right had a landed interest in Ireland but no real interest in the country or the people beyond that, the centre could not care less and the left saw it only in terms of Empire and Colony and ignored the Irish unless they fitted into a predetermined category.

I disagree on point 4. I think the Unionist side would have no confidence in their good faith and they would be ultimately stymied in any attempt to assist, should matters kick off again.

Irish history is very interesting but it will not determine votes here nor whether Corbyn survives as leader. His attitude to the IRA is part of a picture of a man who has very poor judgment - but it's background rather than foreground stuff, unless bombs start blowing people up again, at which point his attitude to terrorists (of whatever variety) could well be a significant problem.

Bob__Sykes said:

Scott_P said:

HurstLlama said:

O/T

Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow).

@LUCYITV: Tonight could be the mildest November night on record... https://t.co/JSEJEM2d7e @ITVCentral

I recall at the end of September being told of an "Arctic Blast within weeks" which was going to last till next June or something.

In reality, our heating has either not been coming on at all or clicking back off after about 20 minutes and my lawns (too saturated to even walk on) still seem to be growing.

I'll believe it if and when I see it....

Clear evidence of global warming.

EU Referendum poll, Northern Ireland:

Unionists: Remain 21%, Leave 54%
Nationalists: Remain 91%, Leave 8%
Overall: Remain 56%, Leave 28%

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

Plato_Says said:

That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

Scott_P said:

@DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.

And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit

The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

antifrank said:

OldKingCole said:

The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.

PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

Where do you stand on infinitives that are split?

One foot on each part.

NickPalmer said:

O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

If the mice, moths etc, do decide to eat your furniture how much damage in cash terms can they do? What are the exclusion clauses on Big Yellow's policy (I bet it has some terrific fine print)? This smells like a scam by Big Yellow to me.

@Coral: BREAKING: David Moyes sacked by Real Sociedad

Next up, Chelsea..?

david_herdson said:

Cyclefree said:

As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

Point 2 - this century or last century? I'm presuming Bonar Law? If so, yes, risking civil war for a temporary advantage was recklessly stupid.

Well spotted. I meant at the start of the twentieth century, of course.

MP_SE said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

Plato_Says said:

That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

Scott_P said:

@DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.

And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit

The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.

On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.

NickPalmer said:

O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

I have stuff in storage - including furniture - and have never heard of such a condition. It's your belongings. Up to you what you want to insure it for I'd have thought.

HurstLlama said:

O/T

Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.

We are lucky at the moment. The Atlantic conveyor is tracking to the north and bringing mild weather up from the south. It is playing havoc with the North Atlantic though. Last night we recorded 96 knot winds and 18.5m seas to the west of the Shetlands. There is a bigger storm coming through at the weekend.

Edit: If you want to see what is coming our way go to the quite wonderful

www.magicseaweed.com

It is miles better than the Met Office for short term forecasting even though it is ostensibly a surfing site.

@NickPalmer - Safestore and Big Yellow Self Storage stores do not accept any insurance other than their own during their customer's use of their self storage facility.

Try an alternate storage company if available - http://www.insurastore.com/

Good luck.

HurstLlama said:

MP_SE said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

Plato_Says said:

That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

Scott_P said:

@DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.

And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit

The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.

On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.

Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.

HurstLlama said:

MP_SE said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

Plato_Says said:

That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

Scott_P said:

@DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.

And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit

The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.

On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.

That is quite possibly true.

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The UK Chamber of Shipping have given the EU a kicking in a recently published report:

“Shipping has a global regulator, the International Maritime Organisation, which creates a global level playing field. But when a regional power such as the EU creates its own regulation, then that global level playing field becomes distorted, and major maritime nations such as the UK feel the impact more than most.”

https://www.ukchamberofshipping.com/news/2015/11/06/shipping-industry-calls-pm-tackle-eu-ever-closer-union-and-unnecessary-regulation/

As I have mentioned before. The concept of the EU was conceived when the world was very different to the one we know today. The idea of a Little European Union is more appropriate than ever before.

Afternoon all again

As far as the weather is concerned, November is still of course autumn and while it remains mild for now some charts for mid month show a return to average or just below temperatures. Given the current state of El Nino, a mild first half to winter looks on the cards but February could be coldest of the three winter months (nothing unusual there).

In fact, December is the most zonal (Atlantic-bias) month of the year statistically.

On to other matters and I've spent parts of my adult life pondering the nuclear deterrent and whether I'm for it or against it. I came finally to recognise there's no point trying to rationalise it. The truth is the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs didn't just save millions of lives in 1945 but have saved hundreds of millions more since because everyone could see what the use of these weapons would mean.

Had the leaders of 1914 known what the leaders of 1918 knew, would they have sent their armies and societies off to war ? In 1939, many believed war would mean mass air raids using poison gas but because both sides had it neither side used it.

We know what the effect of a nuclear strike on this country would be - it's been thoroughly and comprehensively researched and documented from likely targets to detailed death tolls. Yet the fundamental is we saw what a small bomb (compared to today's) did to two Japanese cities - would Corbyn, Cameron, Putin or Obama (or whoever) allow themselves to get to the point of actually having to decide whether said "button" would be pressed ? Between 1945 and 1989 we came closer to war through misunderstanding, misconception and accident than by plan or design.

Our society (for all its imperfections) is infinitely better than any post-nuclear irradiated wasteland. If the maintenance of that requires the expense of nuclear weapons, so be it. I accept the illogical position of spending billions on weapons that will never be used if that keeps us at peace because the alternative is too dreadful to contemplate.

Last month Ogmore MP Huw Irranca Davies has expressed an interest for the Labour Ogmore nomination for the Welsh Assembly as Raymond Powell’s daughter, Janice Gregory, is retiring from the Assembly after 16 years.
Welsh Labour Executive have decided last week that Ogmore selection will be twinned with Cynon Valley’s one. The two CLPs will meet together and pick 1 man and 1 woman. Hence, HID can now seek the male nomination and switch to Cardiff Bay

Seems ISIS have filmed the execution of 200 Syrian children if twitter reports are true

Richard_Tyndall said:

david_herdson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

watford30 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

F Off it was.

Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?

Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.

Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.

Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.

The IRA at the time were hardly fluffy bunnies.

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

We had a mouse nibble some of our carpet in the house while we were away on holiday. The insurance company wouldn’t cover it as it said it wasn’t a tame mouse.

Certain amount of karma though; it later nibbled an electric cable and electrocuted itself!

You have to be careful about that: mice and rats chewing cables can start fires.

Although not in the strange way I heard of of a few years ago. A thatched cottage had a fire that started in the roof. There was no means of starting a fire at the relevant point - no cabling or access - and there had been no bonfires or sparks.

The owners had put warfarin down in the loft to control mice. It seems at least one mouse had eaten it, felt unwell, and found somewhere cozy to snuggle up to sleep within the thatch.

Now, the story goes that if a mouse eats too much warfarin it will spontaneously combust. This sounds distinctly odd to me, but I am not a chemist (tm).

Does that sound feasible to anyone?

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

Oceanography if you are talking about El Nino.

AndreaParma_82 said:

Last month Ogmore MP Huw Irranca Davies has expressed an interest for the Labour Ogmore nomination for the Welsh Assembly as Raymond Powell’s daughter, Janice Gregory, is retiring from the Assembly after 16 years.
Welsh Labour Executive have decided last week that Ogmore selection will be twinned with Cynon Valley’s one. The two CLPs will meet together and pick 1 man and 1 woman. Hence, HID can now seek the male nomination and switch to Cardiff Bay

Presumably if successful he would then resign his Parliamentary seat rather than double-jobbing for 4 years?

antifrank said:

OldKingCole said:

The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.

No he wasn't. The comma only existed in the translation, not the original document.

No one would say that because one side executes prisoners it makes it okay for the other side to do the same

Except presumably both sides in the Irish Civil War that followed?

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

NickPalmer said:

O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

Self insurance?

JEO said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HurstLlama said:

MP_SE said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

Plato_Says said:

That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

Scott_P said:

@DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.

And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit

The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.

On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.

Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.

In a war deliberately engineered by the Germans.

Not really. Napoleon III didn't really need any excuses he was just looking to live up to his adopted name.

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HurstLlama said:

O/T

Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.

We are lucky at the moment. The Atlantic conveyor is tracking to the north and bringing mild weather up from the south. It is playing havoc with the North Atlantic though. Last night we recorded 96 knot winds and 18.5m seas to the west of the Shetlands. There is a bigger storm coming through at the weekend.

Edit: If you want to see what is coming our way go to the quite wonderful

www.magicseaweed.com

It is miles better than the Met Office for short term forecasting even though it is ostensibly a surfing site.

magicseaweed is one of my fav weather sites. Especially if I think I am missing a big whale/birdwatching trip in the southern oceans. Getting down to Macquarie Island to see penguins looks a bit challenging at the minute.

That said, if you check it regularly, it is astonishing how often the worst weather in the planet is in the waters around the UK.

Don't I know it!! :-) We get Met office forecasts and also forecasts from Fugro and Meteogroup. But generally their reliability is only good for about 48 hours ahead. Magicseaweed allows us to see the weather patterns developing and make our own predictions based on experience. I regularly notice that when you choose the world map, the Northern Atlantic will often have the largest and most violent storms on the planet.

Watching the Atlantic conveyor progress is fascinating.

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

antifrank said:

Cyclefree said:

antifrank said:

OldKingCole said:

The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.

PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

I'm quite beyond redemption.

(For TSE also) - as Orwell put it: "Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous."

Speaking of barbarous, I'm about to engage in some footwear shopping.

If they are out of stock of your preferred shoes, please don't write a letter of complaint on PB notepaper.

OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.

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OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

Hmm. I wonder if I've misremembered the particular poison. Is there another common rat/mice poison that can have that unfortunate side-effect if eaten in quantity?

Edit: probably digging a deeper hole here: aluminium phosphide perhaps?
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/rat-poison-washing-up-on-beaches-20130327-2gthj.html

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.

My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??

Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.

Fuck me don't say that!

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.

My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??

Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.

Fuck me don't say that!

I've emailed you.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Do these other drugs require the same level of monitoring as Wafarin. My father had to be on it for an extended period and he was constantly at the GP's having blood tested to ensure the correct level, which obviously must in itself be costing a small fortune.

Fewer interactions, more stable platelet levels.
Less testing.

"Up until 2010 -- when dabigatran was approved by the FDA -- warfarin and other vitamin K antagonists dominated stroke prevention in atrial fibrillation. But those drugs require frequent monitoring to ensure that anticoagulation remains within a therapeutic range.

Newer anticoagulants don't require that monitoring. Three have already been approved -- dabigatran, rivaroxaban, and apixaban -- and a fourth, edoxaban, looked good in recently reported phase III results." - from Medpage Today

Warfarin may be dangerous, but a friend had to use nitroglycerine in his jacksie ...

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/nitroglycerin-rectal-route/description/drg-20075252

Naturally enough we joked about explosive farts.

Mr. Urquhart, that's what baffles me most about ISIS. Most of the people they kill are Muslim. Hard to think of anything less Islamic [not that I'm an authority on the subject].

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I suspect that the dominant warmongering European state changes by century. In the 16th and 17th Centuries it was the Spanish. In the 18th and 19th Centuries it was the French, in the 20th Century it was the Germans.

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.

My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??

Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.

Fuck me don't say that!

I've emailed you.

I cant get to the email that is registered on here... could you fwd it to myname at Hotmail.co.uk pls

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....

As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.

With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.

My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??

Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.

Fuck me don't say that!

I've emailed you.

I cant get to the email that is registered on here... could you fwd it to myname at Hotmail.co.uk pls

done

BTW, there seems to be a serious CDU/CSU challenge against Merkel building up, after the SPD vetoed a deal that they thought they had on pre-scrutiny of refugees.