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  • Mr. Owls, must say the politicisation of the military/police is rather more concern for me.
  • antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,597

    [Sunil puts on his best Ulster accent]

    The Brits partitioned MY country too, you know!

    [but then he clutches his head, screaming, as his hitherto malfunctioning Tebbit Chip finally kicks in...]

    Aaaarrrrrrgh!!!

    [...before a more servile expression crosses his face...]

    Must be loyal to England... must be loyal...

    Do you like Cricket yet then?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749
    Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    I would disagree with Point 3 ... very few people without Irish ancesrty (and quite a few of those who have) Left, Right or Centre have any real understanding of Irish history and consequently make lazy assumptions.
    And with Point 4 ... so far. The position might change.

    Otherwise as one who has, although with no Irish connections, tried to make some sense of it for his own interest, I agree.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346
    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

  • antifrank said:

    Anyway, I showed huge self-restraint not including any references to tanks, bombs, bombs and guns anywhere in this thread header.

    On a Zombie related theme. I've managed to draft a thread which talks about the Zombie Apocalypse in the opening sentence.
    Is it about AV?
  • antifrank said:

    Anyway, I showed huge self-restraint not including any references to tanks, bombs, bombs and guns anywhere in this thread header.

    On a Zombie related theme. I've managed to draft a thread which talks about the Zombie Apocalypse in the opening sentence.
    Is it about AV?
    No.
  • Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

    I'm quite beyond redemption.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Today I see that it's fine for public sector employees to get involved in matters of party political disagreement. Why wasn't it fine yesterday?
    Different rules for the military.

    Have you ever heard of a coup being carried about by Doctors?

    The Doctors' plot doesn't count.
    He didn't threaten a coup. He said that he was worried about a proposed policy.

    The question might well have been asked by a select committee with complete propriety and answered in identical terms. I can't see what the general did wrong at all.
    It would have helpful if one or two senior military people had commented on Blair’s Iraq policy. Surely they had some idea of the truth!
    The Charge of the Knights episode in Basra in 2008 was the most shameful incident for the UK military since WW2. We had allowed the entire area to be completely controlled by militias that bore more than a passing resemblance to ISIL while our forces hid in their barracks desperately trying to avoid the bad headline that a casualty would cause.

    The Generals of the time let both themselves and the country down very badly in not speaking out about the political cowardice and dishonesty that left our troops in that position. They should be ashamed of themselves.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jeremy Corbyn.........

    http://hurryupharry.org/2015/11/08/jeremy-corbyn-and-daud-abdullah/

    This man and his gang need to be kept well away from power.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2015
    A bit depressing that the London Olympics, which seemed such a positive occasion at the time, is now said to have been "sabotaged":

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
  • antifrank said:

    Anyway, I showed huge self-restraint not including any references to tanks, bombs, bombs and guns anywhere in this thread header.

    On a Zombie related theme. I've managed to draft a thread which talks about the Zombie Apocalypse in the opening sentence.
    On a thread-related theme, I wrote and uploaded that piece you suggested I write on Saturday. Any chance it might get published?
    It'll get published. I'll remind Mike in a bit.
    Cheers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,016
    edited November 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    Where do you stand on infinitives that are split?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    AndyJS said:

    A bit depressing that the London Olympics, which seemed such a positive occasion at the time, is now said to have been "sabotaged":

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

    Also nonsense. Trying very hard to get a local angle on a story that, frankly, doesn't need it.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

    A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow).

    @LUCYITV: Tonight could be the mildest November night on record... https://t.co/JSEJEM2d7e @ITVCentral
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Today I see that it's fine for public sector employees to get involved in matters of party political disagreement. Why wasn't it fine yesterday?
    Different rules for the military.

    Have you ever heard of a coup being carried about by Doctors?

    The Doctors' plot doesn't count.
    He didn't threaten a coup. He said that he was worried about a proposed policy.

    The question might well have been asked by a select committee with complete propriety and answered in identical terms. I can't see what the general did wrong at all.
    It just felt wrong.
    With all due respect, Eagles, what bollocks. Deterrence only works if the threat is credible and severe. If you promise not to actually use the weapon, not only is the threat not credible and severe, it is non-existent, and there is absolutely no deterrence.

    Given that deterrence is the centerpiece of the nation's security, it is the duty of a general to speak up when something is proposed that undermines the existing policy.
  • watford30 said:

    I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

    A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

    F Off it was.

    Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?
    Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.
    Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

    Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.
    Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.
    Britain, and Europe as a whole, held a rather lower value on human life in 1918 than it had in 1914. I'm not aware of how many Irish towns were burned - I can't imagine it'd that many otherwise it'd be a folk memory - but it was a country in revolt against authority. Compare and contrast with the US civil war, for example, or the Spanish one.

    That's not to excuse the excesses of the Black and Tans or other forces but civil wars by their nature are nasty things (as Ireland proved immediately afterwards), and best avoided in the first place.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749
    DavidL said:

    AndyJS said:

    A bit depressing that the London Olympics, which seemed such a positive occasion at the time, is now said to have been "sabotaged":

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

    Also nonsense. Trying very hard to get a local angle on a story that, frankly, doesn't need it.
    Indeed. Hyperbole at it’s worst.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346

    Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    I would disagree with Point 3 ... very few people without Irish ancesrty (and quite a few of those who have) Left, Right or Centre have any real understanding of Irish history and consequently make lazy assumptions.
    And with Point 4 ... so far. The position might change.

    Otherwise as one who has, although with no Irish connections, tried to make some sense of it for his own interest, I agree.
    Agreed. Points 2 and 3 pretty much cover the entire political spectrum. Many on the right had a landed interest in Ireland but no real interest in the country or the people beyond that, the centre could not care less and the left saw it only in terms of Empire and Colony and ignored the Irish unless they fitted into a predetermined category.

    I disagree on point 4. I think the Unionist side would have no confidence in their good faith and they would be ultimately stymied in any attempt to assist, should matters kick off again.

    Irish history is very interesting but it will not determine votes here nor whether Corbyn survives as leader. His attitude to the IRA is part of a picture of a man who has very poor judgment - but it's background rather than foreground stuff, unless bombs start blowing people up again, at which point his attitude to terrorists (of whatever variety) could well be a significant problem.

  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Scott_P said:

    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow).

    @LUCYITV: Tonight could be the mildest November night on record... https://t.co/JSEJEM2d7e @ITVCentral
    I recall at the end of September being told of an "Arctic Blast within weeks" which was going to last till next June or something.

    In reality, our heating has either not been coming on at all or clicking back off after about 20 minutes and my lawns (too saturated to even walk on) still seem to be growing.

    I'll believe it if and when I see it....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749

    Scott_P said:

    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow).

    @LUCYITV: Tonight could be the mildest November night on record... https://t.co/JSEJEM2d7e @ITVCentral
    I recall at the end of September being told of an "Arctic Blast within weeks" which was going to last till next June or something.

    In reality, our heating has either not been coming on at all or clicking back off after about 20 minutes and my lawns (too saturated to even walk on) still seem to be growing.

    I'll believe it if and when I see it....
    Clear evidence of global warming.
  • Antifrank was good to think about a possible "event" next year. I just doubt its potency. The up coming by election may give us an indication of whether Corbyn's baggage in this area can be mined. Are UKIP going to spend their few pounds on it? Time is short because of the postal votes.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    EU Referendum poll, Northern Ireland:

    Unionists: Remain 21%, Leave 54%
    Nationalists: Remain 91%, Leave 8%
    Overall: Remain 56%, Leave 28%

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572
    O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

    No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

    So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited November 2015

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    I would disagree with Point 3 ... very few people without Irish ancesrty (and quite a few of those who have) Left, Right or Centre have any real understanding of Irish history and consequently make lazy assumptions.
    And with Point 4 ... so far. The position might change.

    Otherwise as one who has, although with no Irish connections, tried to make some sense of it for his own interest, I agree.
    Agreed. Points 2 and 3 pretty much cover the entire political spectrum. Many on the right had a landed interest in Ireland but no real interest in the country or the people beyond that, the centre could not care less and the left saw it only in terms of Empire and Colony and ignored the Irish unless they fitted into a predetermined category.

    I disagree on point 4. I think the Unionist side would have no confidence in their good faith and they would be ultimately stymied in any attempt to assist, should matters kick off again.

    Irish history is very interesting but it will not determine votes here nor whether Corbyn survives as leader. His attitude to the IRA is part of a picture of a man who has very poor judgment - but it's background rather than foreground stuff, unless bombs start blowing people up again, at which point his attitude to terrorists (of whatever variety) could well be a significant problem.

    Hmm. I agree about the Unionists. Unless things have changed very significantly in the past 15 years or so since I met with such, your “average unionist” has only hostility towards anything which smacks of political sympathy with “The South”.
    I hope things have changed but I rather doubt it.
  • Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    Where do you stand on infinitives that are split?
    One foot on each part.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346
    antifrank said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

    I'm quite beyond redemption.
    (For TSE also) - as Orwell put it: "Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous."

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

    No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

    So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

    If the mice, moths etc, do decide to eat your furniture how much damage in cash terms can they do? What are the exclusion clauses on Big Yellow's policy (I bet it has some terrific fine print)? This smells like a scam by Big Yellow to me.
  • Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    Point 2 - this century or last century? I'm presuming Bonar Law? If so, yes, risking civil war for a temporary advantage was recklessly stupid.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Coral: BREAKING: David Moyes sacked by Real Sociedad

    Next up, Chelsea..?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749

    O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

    No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

    So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

    Have you tried one of the comparison websites? Or a different broker?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346

    Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    Point 2 - this century or last century? I'm presuming Bonar Law? If so, yes, risking civil war for a temporary advantage was recklessly stupid.

    Well spotted. I meant at the start of the twentieth century, of course.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572



    If the mice, moths etc, do decide to eat your furniture how much damage in cash terms can they do? What are the exclusion clauses on Big Yellow's policy (I bet it has some terrific fine print)? This smells like a scam by Big Yellow to me.

    Well, I suppose if they invited in an army of rats and mice for a few months, they could eventually destroy much of the stuff, and Big Yellow doesn't want to risk being liable. But I'm really not worried, and have offered to write them a waiver exempting them from any liability for vermin assault. But I suspect they will want their 500% insurance premium.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited November 2015
    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
  • watford30 said:

    I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

    A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

    F Off it was.

    Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?
    Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.
    Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

    Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.
    Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.
    Britain, and Europe as a whole, held a rather lower value on human life in 1918 than it had in 1914. I'm not aware of how many Irish towns were burned - I can't imagine it'd that many otherwise it'd be a folk memory - but it was a country in revolt against authority. Compare and contrast with the US civil war, for example, or the Spanish one.

    That's not to excuse the excesses of the Black and Tans or other forces but civil wars by their nature are nasty things (as Ireland proved immediately afterwards), and best avoided in the first place.
    The whole of the centre of the city of Cork was burnt down and destroyed. Several dozen other towns and villages were destroyed or badly damaged by what were known as 'police reprisals' in the summer of 1920. It is very much a part of folk memory in Ireland.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346

    O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

    No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

    So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

    I have stuff in storage - including furniture - and have never heard of such a condition. It's your belongings. Up to you what you want to insure it for I'd have thought.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749
    edited November 2015

    Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    Point 2 - this century or last century? I'm presuming Bonar Law? If so, yes, risking civil war for a temporary advantage was recklessly stupid.
    There were a lot of people in the Lords with family and financial connections to Ireland who might have been disadvantaged by Home Rule. As I understand it too, the Lords were, for other reasons, not parcularly sympathetic to Liberal proposals.
    And of course there was the “Ulster Question”!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,693
    edited November 2015

    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

    A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.

    We are lucky at the moment. The Atlantic conveyor is tracking to the north and bringing mild weather up from the south. It is playing havoc with the North Atlantic though. Last night we recorded 96 knot winds and 18.5m seas to the west of the Shetlands. There is a bigger storm coming through at the weekend.

    Edit: If you want to see what is coming our way go to the quite wonderful

    www.magicseaweed.com

    It is miles better than the Met Office for short term forecasting even though it is ostensibly a surfing site.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view is very different. ''

    Its probably even worse for the smaller countries. For centuries at the mercy of whatever army came tramping through.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited November 2015
    @NickPalmer - Safestore and Big Yellow Self Storage stores do not accept any insurance other than their own during their customer's use of their self storage facility.

    Try an alternate storage company if available - http://www.insurastore.com/

    Good luck.
  • Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

    I'm quite beyond redemption.
    (For TSE also) - as Orwell put it: "Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous."

    Speaking of barbarous, I'm about to engage in some footwear shopping.
  • MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    edited November 2015

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

    I'm quite beyond redemption.
    (For TSE also) - as Orwell put it: "Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous."

    Speaking of barbarous, I'm about to engage in some footwear shopping.
    I've beat you tomorrow by 4 hours
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited November 2015

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    That is quite possibly true.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The UK Chamber of Shipping have given the EU a kicking in a recently published report:
    “Shipping has a global regulator, the International Maritime Organisation, which creates a global level playing field. But when a regional power such as the EU creates its own regulation, then that global level playing field becomes distorted, and major maritime nations such as the UK feel the impact more than most.”
    https://www.ukchamberofshipping.com/news/2015/11/06/shipping-industry-calls-pm-tackle-eu-ever-closer-union-and-unnecessary-regulation/

    As I have mentioned before. The concept of the EU was conceived when the world was very different to the one we know today. The idea of a Little European Union is more appropriate than ever before.
  • Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,002
    Afternoon all again :)

    As far as the weather is concerned, November is still of course autumn and while it remains mild for now some charts for mid month show a return to average or just below temperatures. Given the current state of El Nino, a mild first half to winter looks on the cards but February could be coldest of the three winter months (nothing unusual there).

    In fact, December is the most zonal (Atlantic-bias) month of the year statistically.

    On to other matters and I've spent parts of my adult life pondering the nuclear deterrent and whether I'm for it or against it. I came finally to recognise there's no point trying to rationalise it. The truth is the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs didn't just save millions of lives in 1945 but have saved hundreds of millions more since because everyone could see what the use of these weapons would mean.

    Had the leaders of 1914 known what the leaders of 1918 knew, would they have sent their armies and societies off to war ? In 1939, many believed war would mean mass air raids using poison gas but because both sides had it neither side used it.

    We know what the effect of a nuclear strike on this country would be - it's been thoroughly and comprehensively researched and documented from likely targets to detailed death tolls. Yet the fundamental is we saw what a small bomb (compared to today's) did to two Japanese cities - would Corbyn, Cameron, Putin or Obama (or whoever) allow themselves to get to the point of actually having to decide whether said "button" would be pressed ? Between 1945 and 1989 we came closer to war through misunderstanding, misconception and accident than by plan or design.

    Our society (for all its imperfections) is infinitely better than any post-nuclear irradiated wasteland. If the maintenance of that requires the expense of nuclear weapons, so be it. I accept the illogical position of spending billions on weapons that will never be used if that keeps us at peace because the alternative is too dreadful to contemplate.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    We had a mouse nibble some of our carpet in the house while we were away on holiday. The insurance company wouldn’t cover it as it said it wasn’t a tame mouse.

    Certain amount of karma though; it later nibbled an electric cable and electrocuted itself!
  • Last month Ogmore MP Huw Irranca Davies has expressed an interest for the Labour Ogmore nomination for the Welsh Assembly as Raymond Powell’s daughter, Janice Gregory, is retiring from the Assembly after 16 years.
    Welsh Labour Executive have decided last week that Ogmore selection will be twinned with Cynon Valley’s one. The two CLPs will meet together and pick 1 man and 1 woman. Hence, HID can now seek the male nomination and switch to Cardiff Bay
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    AP: President of the German Football Association Wolfgang Niersbach has resigned over alleged #FIFA payment
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    Seems ISIS have filmed the execution of 200 Syrian children if twitter reports are true
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    @jonwalker121: Birmingham MP Roger Godsiff says he won't be forced out by Salma Yaqoob https://t.co/EFTz7Q0rGq https://t.co/lAVPFxkU0j
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,564

    watford30 said:

    I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

    A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

    F Off it was.

    Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?
    Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.
    Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

    Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.
    Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.
    The IRA at the time were hardly fluffy bunnies.
  • MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    To be fair, the second time round, Paris wasn't captured.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,539

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    We had a mouse nibble some of our carpet in the house while we were away on holiday. The insurance company wouldn’t cover it as it said it wasn’t a tame mouse.

    Certain amount of karma though; it later nibbled an electric cable and electrocuted itself!
    You have to be careful about that: mice and rats chewing cables can start fires.

    Although not in the strange way I heard of of a few years ago. A thatched cottage had a fire that started in the roof. There was no means of starting a fire at the relevant point - no cabling or access - and there had been no bonfires or sparks.

    The owners had put warfarin down in the loft to control mice. It seems at least one mouse had eaten it, felt unwell, and found somewhere cozy to snuggle up to sleep within the thatch.

    Now, the story goes that if a mouse eats too much warfarin it will spontaneously combust. This sounds distinctly odd to me, but I am not a chemist (tm).

    Does that sound feasible to anyone?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    Today I see that it's fine for public sector employees to get involved in matters of party political disagreement. Why wasn't it fine yesterday?
    Different rules for the military.

    Have you ever heard of a coup being carried about by Doctors?

    The Doctors' plot doesn't count.
    He didn't threaten a coup. He said that he was worried about a proposed policy.

    The question might well have been asked by a select committee with complete propriety and answered in identical terms. I can't see what the general did wrong at all.
    It just felt wrong.
    All he did was explain how the nuclear deterrent worked.
  • Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    Oceanography if you are talking about El Nino.
  • Sean_F said:

    watford30 said:

    I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

    A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

    F Off it was.

    Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?
    Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.
    Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

    Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.
    Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.
    The IRA at the time were hardly fluffy bunnies.
    No one is saying they were but that does not justify such reprisals. No one would say that because one side executes prisoners it makes it okay for the other side to do the same.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782

    Last month Ogmore MP Huw Irranca Davies has expressed an interest for the Labour Ogmore nomination for the Welsh Assembly as Raymond Powell’s daughter, Janice Gregory, is retiring from the Assembly after 16 years.
    Welsh Labour Executive have decided last week that Ogmore selection will be twinned with Cynon Valley’s one. The two CLPs will meet together and pick 1 man and 1 woman. Hence, HID can now seek the male nomination and switch to Cardiff Bay

    Presumably if successful he would then resign his Parliamentary seat rather than double-jobbing for 4 years?
  • stodge said:

    Afternoon all again :)

    As far as the weather is concerned, November is still of course autumn and while it remains mild for now some charts for mid month show a return to average or just below temperatures. Given the current state of El Nino, a mild first half to winter looks on the cards but February could be coldest of the three winter months (nothing unusual there).

    In fact, December is the most zonal (Atlantic-bias) month of the year statistically.

    On to other matters and I've spent parts of my adult life pondering the nuclear deterrent and whether I'm for it or against it. I came finally to recognise there's no point trying to rationalise it. The truth is the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs didn't just save millions of lives in 1945 but have saved hundreds of millions more since because everyone could see what the use of these weapons would mean.

    Had the leaders of 1914 known what the leaders of 1918 knew, would they have sent their armies and societies off to war ? In 1939, many believed war would mean mass air raids using poison gas but because both sides had it neither side used it.

    We know what the effect of a nuclear strike on this country would be - it's been thoroughly and comprehensively researched and documented from likely targets to detailed death tolls. Yet the fundamental is we saw what a small bomb (compared to today's) did to two Japanese cities - would Corbyn, Cameron, Putin or Obama (or whoever) allow themselves to get to the point of actually having to decide whether said "button" would be pressed ? Between 1945 and 1989 we came closer to war through misunderstanding, misconception and accident than by plan or design.

    Our society (for all its imperfections) is infinitely better than any post-nuclear irradiated wasteland. If the maintenance of that requires the expense of nuclear weapons, so be it. I accept the illogical position of spending billions on weapons that will never be used if that keeps us at peace because the alternative is too dreadful to contemplate.

    Another excellent and thoughtful post from you Stodge. I often don't agree with what you say but no one can deny you do provide coherent, thoughtful and cogent discussions.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    No he wasn't. The comma only existed in the translation, not the original document.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,005
    edited November 2015

    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

    A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.

    We are lucky at the moment. The Atlantic conveyor is tracking to the north and bringing mild weather up from the south. It is playing havoc with the North Atlantic though. Last night we recorded 96 knot winds and 18.5m seas to the west of the Shetlands. There is a bigger storm coming through at the weekend.

    Edit: If you want to see what is coming our way go to the quite wonderful

    www.magicseaweed.com

    It is miles better than the Met Office for short term forecasting even though it is ostensibly a surfing site.
    magicseaweed is one of my fav weather sites. Especially if I think I am missing a big whale/birdwatching trip in the southern oceans. Getting down to Macquarie Island to see penguins looks a bit challenging at the minute.

    That said, if you check it regularly, it is astonishing how often the worst weather in the planet is in the waters around the UK.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    No one would say that because one side executes prisoners it makes it okay for the other side to do the same

    Except presumably both sides in the Irish Civil War that followed?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    As (possibly) one of the only posters on here whose great great grandfather was an actual Fenian (and I have the Fenian penny with his name and membership number to prove it) I can cheerfully say that:-

    1. British rule in Ireland was not, by any stretch of the imagination, one of Britain's finest hours;
    2. The Tory party's approach to the Irish question in the early part of this century was pretty disgraceful;
    3. The Left have no real understanding of Irish history, preferring - ignorantly and arrogantly - to shoehorn it into their reductive Marxist view of everything; and
    4. Anything Corbyn or McDonnell said or did on Ireland was totally irrelevant to the relatively peaceful outcome we have today. They are not - and will not be - even footnotes on footnotes in Irish history.

    My first cousin twice removed founded the Ulster Volunteer Force (the good one)...

    Does that count?

    FWIW, he believed in a united Ireland, but was done over by those nasty Scots in the North.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,005
    edited November 2015

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.
    In a war deliberately engineered by the Germans.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    O/T question for the PB Brains Trust: my wife moved out of the place we've been renting in Worthing today (she's not a Londoner and I join her at weekends) and we've put most of our stuff into storage for a few months while we look for somewhere else. Our insurers, First Direct, say no problem, happy to continue insurance in storage for an extra £20/month. Big Yellow, where it's deposited, say I can choose between paying £100/month (eek!) for them to insure it or having an adequate private insurance.

    No problem, you'd think. But Big Yellow say the insurance must explicitly include insurance vs vermin - moths, mice, whatever - and First Direct refuse to insure that at any price, and refer me to a mortgage broker. The broker says nope, nobody will insure you for vermin in rented storage - it's just not done.

    So do I need to take BY's inflated insurance, for the hypothetical risk that they have mice who eat our furniture? Or is there a way out?

    Self insurance?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,564

    Sean_F said:

    watford30 said:

    I don't know. The British conduct in Ireland was pretty outrageous and shameful.

    A vile foreign power lording it over the sovereign will of the people.

    F Off it was.

    Want to defend the potato famine or the Croke Park massacre as great advert for UK rule in Ireland?
    Or the British deceit over partition. Or the Black and Tans sacking Cork and burning down Irish towns.
    Show me a country that doesn't have skeletons in its closet.

    Britain's rule in Ireland certainly had its dark moments but they should be judged in the context of their time, and the context of the credibly available alternatives.
    Even in the context of their time the actions of the British in Ireland in the early 20th century were pretty despicable. We had just gone through a war where the British Government made use of German atrocities such as murdering civilians or burning Belgian towns as powerful propaganda. You can hardly then claim that the use of such strategies by the British forces in Ireland was acceptable for the age.
    The IRA at the time were hardly fluffy bunnies.
    No one is saying they were but that does not justify such reprisals. No one would say that because one side executes prisoners it makes it okay for the other side to do the same.
    Fair enough. Indiscriminate reprisals are never justified. It seems typical of the kind of civil war in which both sides readily resorted to atrocities.
  • JEO said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.
    In a war deliberately engineered by the Germans.
    Not really. Napoleon III didn't really need any excuses he was just looking to live up to his adopted name.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

    A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.

    We are lucky at the moment. The Atlantic conveyor is tracking to the north and bringing mild weather up from the south. It is playing havoc with the North Atlantic though. Last night we recorded 96 knot winds and 18.5m seas to the west of the Shetlands. There is a bigger storm coming through at the weekend.

    Edit: If you want to see what is coming our way go to the quite wonderful

    www.magicseaweed.com

    It is miles better than the Met Office for short term forecasting even though it is ostensibly a surfing site.
    magicseaweed is one of my fav weather sites. Especially if I think I am missing a big whale/birdwatching trip in the southern oceans. Getting down to Macquarie Island to see penguins looks a bit challenging at the minute.

    That said, if you check it regularly, it is astonishing how often the worst weather in the planet is in the waters around the UK.
    Urgh. It's 22oC at my other place :(

  • O/T

    Just back from the 14th century and I see in the Telegraph that the Met Office is suggesting that in the next three months we might have some wintry weather (cold, heavy rain, frosts maybe even some snow). What is more the weather might even be as bad as the awful winter of 1997/98. Remember how bad that was? No, me neither.

    A organisation that in November forecasts winter weather might well hit the UK in the next three months. No price is too high for such sage advice and the costs of their super computers can easily be justified.

    We are lucky at the moment. The Atlantic conveyor is tracking to the north and bringing mild weather up from the south. It is playing havoc with the North Atlantic though. Last night we recorded 96 knot winds and 18.5m seas to the west of the Shetlands. There is a bigger storm coming through at the weekend.

    Edit: If you want to see what is coming our way go to the quite wonderful

    www.magicseaweed.com

    It is miles better than the Met Office for short term forecasting even though it is ostensibly a surfing site.
    magicseaweed is one of my fav weather sites. Especially if I think I am missing a big whale/birdwatching trip in the southern oceans. Getting down to Macquarie Island to see penguins looks a bit challenging at the minute.

    That said, if you check it regularly, it is astonishing how often the worst weather in the planet is in the waters around the UK.
    Don't I know it!! :-) We get Met office forecasts and also forecasts from Fugro and Meteogroup. But generally their reliability is only good for about 48 hours ahead. Magicseaweed allows us to see the weather patterns developing and make our own predictions based on experience. I regularly notice that when you choose the world map, the Northern Atlantic will often have the largest and most violent storms on the planet.

    Watching the Atlantic conveyor progress is fascinating.
  • F1: now some murmurings Red Bull might have a Ferrari engine. Not as good as the one the Ferrari team have, of course...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,749

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
  • runnymede said:

    No one would say that because one side executes prisoners it makes it okay for the other side to do the same

    Except presumably both sides in the Irish Civil War that followed?

    More people died in the Civil War than the War of Independence
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    The Easter Rising would have been a relatively minor incident had not the British Government reacted in the way they did. IIRC (from reading) the majority of Dubliners were either opposed or neutral.
    To be fair of course we were at war, and Intelligence were aware of Casement’s concurrent (and earlier) activities, although of course he wasn’t involved with the Rising.

    Sir Roger Casement was hanged on a comma. A precedent that pb pedants no doubt heartily approve of.
    PB pedants are probably more worried about you finishing your sentence with a preposition.

    That's far from the worst of my solecisms. I start sentences with "but" and "and", I happily put together a sentence without a main verb and I split infinitives with reckless abandon. Worst of all, I do all of them wilfully and recklessly.

    I'm quite beyond redemption.
    (For TSE also) - as Orwell put it: "Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous."

    Speaking of barbarous, I'm about to engage in some footwear shopping.
    If they are out of stock of your preferred shoes, please don't write a letter of complaint on PB notepaper.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited November 2015
    Oldham Candidates.

    http://tinyurl.com/nhlu2xs

    Joke candidate is Sir Oink A Lot.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 5m5 minutes ago
    Oldham West & Royton candidates:
    MRLP: Sir Oink-A-Lot
    UKIP: John Bickley
    LDEM: Jane Brophy
    CON: James Daly
    GRN: Simeon Hart
    LAB: Jim McMahon
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
    Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,539
    edited November 2015

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    Hmm. I wonder if I've misremembered the particular poison. Is there another common rat/mice poison that can have that unfortunate side-effect if eaten in quantity?

    Edit: probably digging a deeper hole here: aluminium phosphide perhaps?
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/rat-poison-washing-up-on-beaches-20130327-2gthj.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687
    dr_spyn said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 5m5 minutes ago
    Oldham West & Royton candidates:
    MRLP: Sir Oink-A-Lot
    UKIP: John Bickley
    LDEM: Jane Brophy
    CON: James Daly
    GRN: Simeon Hart
    LAB: Jim McMahon

    The four major parties all have candidates who's first names begin with the same letter.

    A first?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
    Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.
    Fuck me don't say that!
  • rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
    Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.
    Do these other drugs require the same level of monitoring as Wafarin. My father had to be on it for an extended period and he was constantly at the GP's having blood tested to ensure the correct level, which obviously must in itself be costing a small fortune.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
    Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.
    Fuck me don't say that!
    I've emailed you.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,564

    JEO said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.

    There's that and then the silly tube posters they had outside the CBI conference.

    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    The tweet was inappropriate. However, Europhiles have continuously used the tens of millions who died in both WW1 and WW2 as justification for remaining in the EU. The repeated mentioning of gas chambers and the like is quite disgusting. It would almost be palatable if based in fact but it is not. The downplaying of the role NATO and in particular the US had in maintaining peace is a slap in the face for all those who were willing to risk their lives to protect us.
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.
    In a war deliberately engineered by the Germans.
    Not really. Napoleon III didn't really need any excuses he was just looking to live up to his adopted name.
    Both sides wanted war, so far as I can tell.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687



    Do these other drugs require the same level of monitoring as Wafarin. My father had to be on it for an extended period and he was constantly at the GP's having blood tested to ensure the correct level, which obviously must in itself be costing a small fortune.

    Fewer interactions, more stable platelet levels.
    Less testing.

    "Up until 2010 -- when dabigatran was approved by the FDA -- warfarin and other vitamin K antagonists dominated stroke prevention in atrial fibrillation. But those drugs require frequent monitoring to ensure that anticoagulation remains within a therapeutic range.

    Newer anticoagulants don't require that monitoring. Three have already been approved -- dabigatran, rivaroxaban, and apixaban -- and a fourth, edoxaban, looked good in recently reported phase III results." - from Medpage Today
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,539
    Warfarin may be dangerous, but a friend had to use nitroglycerine in his jacksie ...

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/nitroglycerin-rectal-route/description/drg-20075252

    Naturally enough we joked about explosive farts.
  • Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    That's just embarrassing from Leave. Rat-effing fail

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: "Vote Leave" camp set up fake company so it can get people into CBI to heckle PM. And people genuinely think the Out camp might win.


    I would have expected both stunts from Leave.eu, but disappointed by Vote Leave.
    And the awful tweet yesterday using Rememberance Sunday to argue for Brexit
    On the whole I tend to agree and that certainly makes sense from the perspective of us here on our island. I wonder, though, if it looks the same from Paris. The French had the snot kicked out of them by the Germans three times in seventy years, perhaps their view of the EU's utility in stopping war is very different.
    Worth bearing in mind that the first of those three times it was the French who went to try and kick the snot out of the Germans rather than the other way round.
    In a war deliberately engineered by the Germans.
    Not really. Napoleon III didn't really need any excuses he was just looking to live up to his adopted name.
    Both sides wanted war, so far as I can tell.
    The conflict was caused by Prussian ambitions to extend German unification. Prussian chancellor Otto von Bismarck planned to provoke a French attack in order to draw the southern German states—Baden, Württemberg, Bavaria and Hesse-Darmstadt—into an alliance with the North German Confederation dominated by Prussia.

    Bismarck adroitly created a diplomatic crisis over the succession to the Spanish throne, then rewrote a dispatch about a meeting between King William of Prussia and the French foreign minister, to make it appear that the French had been insulted. The French press and parliament demanded a war, which the generals of Napoleon III assured him that France would win. Napoleon and his Prime Minister, Émile Ollivier, for their parts sought war to solve their problems with political disunity in France. On 16 July 1870, the French parliament voted to declare war on the German Kingdom of Prussia and hostilities began three days later. The German coalition mobilised its troops much more quickly than the French and rapidly invaded north-eastern France. The German forces were superior in numbers, had better training and leadership and made more effective use of modern technology, particularly railroads and artillery.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War
  • Mr. Urquhart, that's what baffles me most about ISIS. Most of the people they kill are Muslim. Hard to think of anything less Islamic [not that I'm an authority on the subject].
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,539
    edited November 2015
    rcs1000 said:



    Do these other drugs require the same level of monitoring as Wafarin. My father had to be on it for an extended period and he was constantly at the GP's having blood tested to ensure the correct level, which obviously must in itself be costing a small fortune.

    Fewer interactions, more stable platelet levels.
    Less testing.

    "Up until 2010 -- when dabigatran was approved by the FDA -- warfarin and other vitamin K antagonists dominated stroke prevention in atrial fibrillation. But those drugs require frequent monitoring to ensure that anticoagulation remains within a therapeutic range.

    Newer anticoagulants don't require that monitoring. Three have already been approved -- dabigatran, rivaroxaban, and apixaban -- and a fourth, edoxaban, looked good in recently reported phase III results." - from Medpage Today
    Seems a no brainer. Warfarin might be pennies, but if my father's experience is anything to go by the number of GP visits were huge and obviously that has a large cost in terms of GP / testing / my father's time.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687
    edited November 2015
    @Sean_F, @JEO, @Richard_Tyndall

    I suspect that the dominant warmongering European state changes by century. In the 16th and 17th Centuries it was the Spanish. In the 18th and 19th Centuries it was the French, in the 20th Century it was the Germans.
  • Slow news day?
    Russia to be banned from world athletics?
    Osborn 30% cuts
    Cameron EU ultimatum
    OECD concern about emerging markets
    Steel chief defenestrates himself
    Boris barks like a dog.

    ...exploding mice.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
    Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.
    Fuck me don't say that!
    I've emailed you.
    I cant get to the email that is registered on here... could you fwd it to myname at Hotmail.co.uk pls
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572
    Charles said:



    Self insurance?

    Just agree to cover the risk myself, you mean? Yes, I've offered that. They don't seem willing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,687
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Corbyn, Irish history, the EU, war on the European continent, split infinitives, meteorology, and mouse exclusion clauses: truly he who is tired of PB is tired of life!

    I think warfarin-overdosed rodents spontaneously combusting could run and run....

    EDIT: Having lived in a thatched cottage for fifteen years, I was rather more concerned about fireworks and those bloody floating lanterns than I was about rodents, although I too had heard of the risk of fire from them burstin' into flame - I often wondered whether t'was true....
    As one for whom drug interactions were, if not meat and drink, then a significant part of life, I HATE warfarin. It has it’s uses of course and many people are alive who without it would be dead (or the reverse in the case of rodents) but off-hand (and I’m out of date of course) I can’t think of many drugs, or foods which aren’t either affected by it, or affect it’s operation. Or both!
    However I’ver never heard of it being associated with spontaneous combustion of rats or mice.

    However, I agree whioleheartedly about the floating lanterns.
    With Wafarin, the only question is whether the underlying condition kills you before an unfortunate bleed.

    Fortunately - as Charles knows better than me - there are several new anticolagulents that are much less likely to kill you.

    If you are on Wafarin, you should go to your doctor and discuss the new drugs with him/her.
    My Dad is on it big time, is this bad??
    Wafarin is probably the single biggest drug killer in the UK. There are two or three other drugs, which the NHS is quite capable of prescribing, that are safer and more efficacious. The difference is that Wafarin costs the NHS pennies per tablet, but the newer drugs (Xarelta, Pradaxa and Eliquis) cost a lot more.
    Fuck me don't say that!
    I've emailed you.
    I cant get to the email that is registered on here... could you fwd it to myname at Hotmail.co.uk pls
    done
  • Slow news day?
    Russia to be banned from world athletics?
    Osborn 30% cuts
    Cameron EU ultimatum
    OECD concern about emerging markets
    Steel chief defenestrates himself
    Boris barks like a dog.

    ...exploding mice.

    The 30% cuts story seems to be slipping in the radar a bit and actually I haven't looked into it much. Obviously we have had all the scare stories of 40% etc etc, but that seems on the upper end of what was to be expected. 2010 we got the upto 40% and it turned out to be nothing like that.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572
    BTW, there seems to be a serious CDU/CSU challenge against Merkel building up, after the SPD vetoed a deal that they thought they had on pre-scrutiny of refugees.
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