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Huffpost’s Paul Waugh has what appears like a scoop with a report that the House of Lords, where the Tories don’t have a majority, could kill the legislative move to change the tax credits system.
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Does TSE know this Manchester bishop?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278492/Church-England-bishop-preaches-allowing-Syrian-refugees-Britain-won-t-six-bedroom-house.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-3239347/Refugees-welcome-Age-Stupid-Yvette-Cooper-s-pledge-migrant-family-proof-noisy-emotion-replaced-quiet-intelligence-writes-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html
Now that IS hypocrisy.
Neither Yvette Cooper's willingness to take migrants in or the bishop's unwillingness to do so have got anything to do with whether we as a nation should take more migrants, except in the minds of dullards, arseholes and cretins.
I think the dead horse has had enough no ?
We're pathetic and we'll be rightly wiped out.
If they do go down this route then the measure should be brought back in full in the next Budget.
Clue here as to why this miserable bunch of opportunists were crushed at the general election
Front page of the Telegraph has 6 cabinet ministers wondering if they're going to be allowed to campaign for what they believe in. Anybody who voted tory should be ashamed of themselves.
From a position of wealth it is, of course, easy to mock "the howls of anguish" of hard-working people who will see their incomes cut as a result of the tax credit cuts and will suffer significant privations as a result. But it's not a great look.
If you had read my post...
The "howls of anguish" were from left wingers identifying edge cases
They were not from hard working people seeing their incomes cut
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_al-Arefe
One MP (-1), Zero councils (-1) and a number of councillors lost.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-34517022
"Neither Yvette Cooper's willingness to take migrants in or the bishop's unwillingness to do so have got anything to do with whether we as a nation should take more migrants, except in the minds of dullards, arseholes and cretins."
It might have been interesting at this point to regurgitate some of the Mail's articles from the 30's if it wasn't that we'd have to suffer someone shouting Godwin!
The British governments behaviour towards to refugees is shaming us all and for the likes of Cameron who are worried about their legacy they should think about this. Even on hard headed political grounds having worked so hard to lose the 'nasty' tag he should worry he's heading back to the 80's at a gallop.
It's quite possible that a democratic HoL would do its job worse, and be in continuous argument with the HoC.
Time for the HoL to be a House of Experts, something the HoC has never been, and something which fits its role much better.
That said, it was the Lib Dems who sabotaged their own legislation last time. The proposals put forward by Clegg were close to the worst of all worlds and the procedural motion - which wasn't even voted on in the end - to extend discussion in the Commons was entirely justified. It might have delayed the reform (by weeks at most) but it was not in the slightest critical to the Bill's future success. If anything, had it passed, it would have increased the chances of the Bill becoming Law.
Hyperbolic tosh.
Here, the main right wing party is protected by the electoral system. If we had a continental system, then that party would need confidence and supply from the insurgents.
The Tory secretaries of state are calling on Mr Cameron to waive “collective responsibility” in the run-up to the referendum, allowing Cabinet members to publically back an “out” vote.
One minister told The Telegraph that it would be “insane” for Mr Cameron to expect openly europsceptic ministers to campaign for Britain to remain in the EU.
Speaking separately to The Telegraph, half-a-dozen cabinet ministers made it clear they thought it would be unacceptable for Mr Cameron to make them campaign for an In vote.
"It would be dynamite if he tried to force cabinet ministers to toe the line,” said one cabinet member. “It would be extremely difficult" "
http://goo.gl/HRAHGC
These refugees want work and a life not a tent in the desert. Do the government really think that giving money to much poorer nations than themselves to provide food and medicine absolves them of all other responsibilities?
Mr. F, the Conservatives are also protected by UKIP's campaigning strategy, which has enjoyed similar success to that employed by Crassus against Parthia.
Virtually all of the rest of the EU should hang their heads in shame.
My hunch is that those badly affected are working exactly 16 hours a week, an artificial limit which is being removed by Universal Credit.
But no, just because there are problems in Syria it doesn't mean we should rip up such immigration controls as still exist. Apart from anything else, denuding Syria of its future will cause (even more) long term instability for the region. It is best for all sides that they go back home as soon as the situation allows.
If the EU, in conjunction with other powers, wants to do something useful, then putting together an effective nation (re-)building programme, plus the necessary capacity to deliver it, would be a good start.
We have spent more on refugees than any other country with the exception than America. That includes more on the Syria camps than anyone. Why don't you criticise Merkel for killing more by starting a stampede that other countries then refused to follow. She now apparently wants to fast track Turkey and make it worst ? Take genuine refugees from the camps by all means but not all and sundry.
This country does not need to be ashamed it's doing all it can sensibly. We are not responsible for the worlds ills and I reject entirely any hypocritical leftie sitting in a posh pad outside this country saying so.
" the shame lies with the Bishops, Politicos and assorted do gooders who shout the most and do the least...that would seem to include you."
I've seen several of these wretched people crossing the border from Italy into France with nothing but the clothes on their backs and a backpack with all their belongings.
Of all the injustices in the world not many strike me as more unfair than that while these people have had to leave their homes and country with nothing and with no hope people like you can decide whether it's more benefitial to park your backside in England where you'll get free heathcare or Italy where you can continue to drink yourself stupid........
All hot air and no action Roger - have you thought of joining the SNP ?
It worked for 19th Century America.
Surely you were an inter-railer once, Roger?
One presumes that like the Bishops, you're all hot air and no action, or have you given up one of your homes to those in need?
But we don't have the capacity to give everyone in the Middle East those, and to try would impoverish our own people.
What we need to do is to work to achieve peace in the middle east, and to invest heavily in economic development and building civic institutions (health, education, etc).
Haven't you got a children's author to abuse Malc ?
"My hunch is that those badly affected are working exactly 16 hours a week, an artificial limit which is being removed by Universal Credit."
I have just such an example. An electrician explained it to me. He could only work 16 hours a week and his income was made up by tax credits. I understood it was only useful to the part time self employed which is why I'm less inclined to get hot under the coller about this than others. I took it that it was a rather transparent wheeze and was surprised that getting an income from the government was so easy.
The telling line in your post though is " I have seen several" . Wow you must be absolutely inundated down there, how are you all coping, ohhhh it must be awful for you. Would you like some of the UK funds to help out like everyone else does?
Meanwhile at the not so posh end of France there are thousands. Why don't you get on a train and go and help there if you feel so bad? You won't even have to cross a border to do so.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-budget-affect-tax-credits-6031675
But he pledged: "I'm not going to cut your tax credits, I'm not going to cut child benefit or means-test it. I think that would be the wrong thing to do for our country, the wrong thing to do for family finances."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32526461
Indeed, the Independent in June wrote:
With Mr Cameron having already vowed to protect child benefits and pensioner benefits, the £30bn budget for tax credits appears to be in the line of fire, along with areas already outlined such as housing benefit and Jobseekers’ Allowance, while disability benefits are unlikely to be hit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/working-poor-set-to-face-cut-in-tax-credits-as-david-cameron-attacks-merry-go-round-welfare-system-10335820.html
Don't you think that - if he had promised not to cut working tax credits - Labour and the media would have been screaming that from the rooftops?
Yes, there are certainly edge cases, as there always are with threshold-related policies. How many of those edge cases exist in practice, it's harder to say with any authority.
For many real people, yes it's a scam, hence the loudest whining is from those for whom the wheeze should be coming to an end, such as cash in hand nail bar operators.
I think Western policy has suffered from guilt and hysterical imbalance towards social and cultural matters ever since. And it shows no sign of ending as certain ex-colonies grow in economic power and are now making noises about reparations.
They know they might get it.
Win-win.
Personally I say bring on the pain of the ideology of surplus.
I was only teasing you.
The left can't have this both ways. Complain we are not taking in millions of refugees into a small island with no space yet complain that hundreds of years ago settlers apparently took the vast amounts of lands available and way of life of the " indigenous people"
The left is disappearing up its own fundament on this one.