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Bolsover South on Bolsover (Lab defence)
Result: Labour 232 (43%), United Kingdom Independence Party 127 (23%), Conservative 109 (20%), Trade Unionist and Socialist 78 (14%)
Labour HOLD with a majority of 105 (20%)
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Tom Watson going down like a lead balloon with commentators at Huff Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tom-watson-mp/tom-watson-leon-brittan_b_8268818.html?1444393349
"Of course there is a magic money tree... it's called the Bank of England. That's how countries make money."
Mr Smithson you have a wonderful sense of humour.
I suppose SGP will have a week's self righteous ranting now.
I wrote 'ban from', not 'ban for'.
squeal piggy squeal
tipping point
"Tom Watson going down like a lead balloon with commentators at Huff Post:"
The self righteous prat. They should put him in a sack with Danczuk until...... that would be punishment enough.
Sick aking opportunism.
but James still came 10th
More generally, nothing is going to stop the SNP getting a huge majority at the next Holyrood elections. The flag trumps all else. Poor old Jezza has not got a chance against that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34484606
http://tinyurl.com/q9cmllq
The Lib Dems really need to run him at the upcoming BE.
All that said, Mike Crockart would have a fair chance at getting his old job back, as quite a few voters have a sense of natural justice.
I thought the most interesting speech of the Conservative week was Michael Gove's. Recognising the advantages of a liberal approach on prisons and penal reform with the aim of reducing recidivism is long overdue within Conservative circles and to be welcomed.
It's possible to believe in penal reform without being "soft" on crime and criminals. It's also possible to see the financial benefit in reducing the prison population given the cost of keeping each prisoner.
I've never found Gove an easy politician to read - he's said and done a lot of things I don't agree with but on this issue at least, I'm in agreement and if the Conservative Party has moved on from some of the attitudes to crime and punishment it held 30 years ago, I welcome that too.
"Apologies if it has been linked to but my better half has received an e-mail from Yougov saying she has made the news by taking part in a survey which gave Corbyn the worst leadership figures for a Labour leader in 60 years. Does anyone have the details of this? "
I think Labour can safely ignore these findings. People's opinions of Corbyn are just a reflection of the newspapers onslaught on him. I doubt any leader in the last 60 years had to contend with anything like this
As the public get to know him better they'll make up their own minds.
(I'm not keen on him but not because he doesn't grovel to her Maj)
" [the Conservatives have] an understanding of the speed at which the world is changing"
Yet the lefties keep claiming to be the progressives. Living in the past is the sub-text of that article from a Tory hating, life-long member of Guardian writers' club.
I remember how he was running out of superlatives to describe how good the polls were for Yes in the run up to the referendum.
I remember reading similar things on here about Brown and Miliband. And, it has to be said, the public did make up their own minds, but perhaps not in the way that the authors of those comments, perhaps, expected.
On the one hand we are frequently told on here that the newspapers are far less influential than they were and, indeed, hardly matter these days when comes to shaping opinion. Yet on the other hand we are told that peoples are opinions are just a reflection of what they read in the newspapers.
For the last 5 years or so it is UKIP, fronted by Farage, that have been shouting the loudest about the need to leave the EU. Citing UKIPs 12% election score as the ceiling that a Farage led (not that I am suggesting it should be) campaign is ludicrous, as the Polling for LEAVE has been in the 40%s...
So not as offputting as people like to think.
I accept that the final push may need to be from someone more mainstream, but please don't mix up UKIPs vote with the LEAVE score... I repeat, while Farage has been the face of LEAVE, LEAVE has been polling in the 40s (after DKs removed)
They seem like two incredibly easy gotcha interview questions.
His weakness is that he has shown real limitations in building coalitions behind his ideas. It would be a shame if this applies to prison reform but he does seem to have Cameron's backing for it.
The public has already made up their mind about Corbyn, I doubt his ratings will change much up.to.the GE... ..
And Labour are a threat to national security. They would not renew trident, they would announce the end to our nuclear deterrent by being in power, and they will reduce our conventional armed forces.
a) I used to support the IRA because I believed in the 32-county solution but now I respect the views of the people of the north.
b) I used to support the IRA because I believed in the 32-county solution and still do.
a) shows he has u-turned and isn't the Jezza everyone joined for; b) shows he is still that Jezza and there is nothing more to get to know.
ad infinitum for just about every issue out there.
I liked this quote:
"elections which in Scotland, Wales and London were never going to be plain sailing whoever was leader of the Labour Party"
Yes, those are clearly some of the more difficult electorates for the Labour Party!
For the last 5 years or so it is UKIP, fronted by Farage, that have been shouting the loudest about the need to leave the EU. Citing UKIPs 12% election score as the ceiling that a Farage led (not that I am suggesting it should be) campaign is ludicrous, as the Polling for LEAVE has been in the 40%s...
So not as offputting as people like to think.
I accept that the final push may need to be from someone more mainstream, but please don't mix up UKIPs vote with the LEAVE score... I repeat, while Farage has been the face of LEAVE, LEAVE has been polling in the 40s (after DKs removed)
Actually during the period you talk about support for Leave has dropped from a high of 54% in early 2011 to 27% in June 2015. Is that all thanks to Farage?
Still plenty of post-Conference hubristic triumphalism from one or two of the Conservative members on here it would seem. The problems, oddly enough, start now with the ordinary boring day-to-day business of Government where things do go wrong and small problems can become crises.
The Conservative desire to build a tent so big it can encompass all opinions is staggering - pro-EU, anti-EU, pro-penal reform, anti-penal reform, supporter of City, supporter of United, there's a place for you all in the Party,
Well, perhaps, but I'm convinced politics doesn't work like that and since nature abhors a vacuum, voices of dissent can and will emerge. How that opposition manifests itself will be interesting - it may not be through the political party route but around potential successors to the Prime Minister or outside the "big tent" but as night follows day new or alternative solutions will develop and some of those will be outside the "big tent".
The lowering of expectations is comical - it's reminding me of the TV ad Dachshund shouting Goal as the rugby ball goes under the bar...
That said I think there is a lot more room on the centre ground than most politicians are willing to give credit for. We don't really go for ideologues in this country, we like people who make sensible and practical decisions. With most of the real world problems that government faces there are a number of possible actions that will work out pretty much as well as each other or at least are capable of being fixed when things go wrong.
It is the ideologues who refuse to recognise that things are going wrong that cause most of the problems, whatever party they are in.
England sleepwalking to disaster and not even noticing. Or if some notice, they are told not to worry.
I get the impression all the "political shows" are struggling to get people to come on, apart from ex-spin doctors and the usual suspects looking for their five minutes of fame.
When Robert Peston gets up and running on ITV on Sunday's, we will have Marr, Sunday Politics, Murnaghan, Piennaar and Uncle Tom Cobley and all. That's way too much even for me.
Neil's prog - was it HardTalk or StraightTalk? It was superb and reminiscent of Brian Walden's Weekend World or On The Record with Humphreys before he succumbed to his ego.
No doubt June 2015 was thanks to Farage failing to win a seat.. the LEAVErs felt like all was lost!
Joke, joke
I dont particularly want to row over this, I am saying in as nice a way as I can manage on the internet, that I feel your reasons for wanting to Leave the EU wouldn't be an easy sell to the man on the street.. theyre not interested
You asked where the extra votes above and beyond UKIPS election score of 12% were going to come from... my simple answer is that LEAVE has been polling way way above 12% even with Farage as the face of it, even at your cherry picked lowest point
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'I don't have a problem with protesters spitting at people' @zoesqwilliams told #bbcdp.
https://amp.twimg.com/v/45354e72-1f66-4c35-accb-38b1fe6edf13
Churches and other religious buildings exist in a plentiful supply and enjoy a number of (unnecessary) tax benefits - they should be the focus for such activity. Not the streets or parks of any community.
Keep the public realm free from it all.
I do not believe for one moment that Cambridge somehow begged for this person's (Huppert's) return. In fact I would suggest that the notion that the university somehow kept a post open for him is nonsense. If he has returned then it will be under a much diminished star. Newcastle may set themselves lower standards. There's no comparison.
It's bollocks: for the reasons JEO and SeanT cite.
I told them to continue to draw attention to it and keep up the good work for the Conservative Party.
Look at the LDs' results in the other Edinburgh seats... down 30% points in Leith and South, among their grimmest drops anywhere in the UK.
1 Tories are the only party that stood everywhere. Was Labour not standing in Aird & Loch Ness a) a unionist conspiracy or b) a sign of Labour's weakness in some parts of Scotland?
2 Yes I know Aird & Loch Ness was an STV election; and yes Yellow Guard is right that people don't get STV.. Nevertheless, the Lib Dems won it. Mr Kelly wrote about it as if the SNP had won, that was the problem.
3 The Lib Dems held one, lost one, gained one, all narrowly. In the other two elections they (ok then, for transparency, "we") came second with massively increased vote share. Signs of a revival?
http://order-order.com/2015/10/09/zoe-williams-i-really-dont-have-a-problem-with-protesters-spitting-at-journalists/#:NT0JMA6xi4qXFA
Joke, joke
I dont particularly want to row over this, I am saying in as nice a way as I can manage on the internet, that I feel your reasons for wanting to Leave the EU wouldn't be an easy sell to the man on the street.. theyre not interested
You asked where the extra votes above and beyond UKIPS election score of 12% were going to come from... my simple answer is that LEAVE has been polling way way above 12% even with Farage as the face of it, even at your cherry picked lowest point
Not cherry picked. It has often been noted on here that there is an inverse relationship between UKIP's popularity and the desire to leave the EU. The better UKIP does in the polls, the fewer people want to leave the the EU.
You work it out
If the SNP is losing to the LDs, then the SNP is in big trouble.