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If you subscribe to the theory that the next election will be largely determined by the performance of the economy, then 2013 has been interesting, at the start of the year, the main economic news was whether we would avoid a triple dip recession.
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Lucky Scots. I wish the English could ditch a Tory government as easily and as permanently.0
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I believe there's another Panelbase poll out next week.0
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Fear not Roger, the English managed to keep the blue meanies at bay almost entirely by their own efforts when Labour was elected between 1945-2005. I expect you'll still be able to manage it after a Scottishectomy.Roger said:Lucky Scots. I wish the English could ditch a Tory government as easily
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I tend to view these additional questions as similar to polls that ask people whether they would vote for party X under alternative leader Y. I suspect they are not the most reliable polling results around. But it all adds to fun of the referendum campaign / betting.0
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Could someone gently break the news to Roger, PB's resident communications expert, that we don't have a Tory Government.0
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Curious concept of 'democracy' Roger!Roger said:ditch a Tory government as easily and as permanently.
I reckon the Scots will want their share of the English Shale Gas.....
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Sorry to go off topic so quickly, but could this make fracking unnecessary?
A protein found in the membranes of ancient microorganisms that live in desert salt flats could offer a new way of using sunlight to generate environmentally friendly hydrogen fuel, according to a new study by researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory.
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FPT - re smoking packaging (curse of new thread)
Mike, what you are missing here is salience (funny that as you are very focused on it in other topics).
Of course if you stop someone in the street and say 'what do you think about plain packaging for fags' they will think fags are bad therefore packaging makes me sound like a good person.
I think this is actually a great topic for the Tories. (1) Very few people will change their votes (2) those LDs who will be more encouraged to vote Labour are unlikely to be Tory votters anyway. (3) It allows Tories tberal/small state - appealing to bothe Orange Bookers and UKIP. So helps the narrative a lot at a marginal cost in terms of actual votes.
Apologies for any typos - on my blackberry. My daughter didn't realise that reading the Spectator's Coffee House didn't involve actual coffee so currently sans laptop...
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FPT - re smoking packaging (curse of new thread)
Mike, what you are missing here is salience (funny that as you are very focused on it in other topics).MikeSmithson said:@Tim
What we won't know Tim is how much salience there is in these issues0 -
Reading threads on a 1" square screen is not easy...Neil said:Charles said:FPT - re smoking packaging (curse of new thread)
Mike, what you are missing here is salience (funny that as you are very focused on it in other topics).MikeSmithson said:@Tim
What we won't know Tim is how much salience there is in these issues0 -
Ah, so we will have PR sooner than we thought...0
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George Osborne @George_Osborne 48s
Coalition outing with Danny Alexander to Lords. Who'd have thought a Scotsman could teach an Englishman about #cricket0 -
Douglas Jardine and Mike Denness both from N of the border.fitalass said:Twitter
George Osborne @George_Osborne 48s
Coalition outing with Danny Alexander to Lords. Who'd have thought a Scotsman could teach an Englishman about #cricket
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Ah. A smear then.tim said:@Charles
Camerons character is salient, that's what this is about
Despite the fact that the last government wasn't convinced of the case. Despite the fact that this was effectively killed by multiple senior Cabinet Ministers (May plus others IIRC) last year on the grounds it was politically disastrous, you make allegations, without evidence, that are difficult to disprove.
Labour tactics are the equivalent of "when did you stop beating your wife"
A nasty little party, led by nasty little people.0 -
I see that given the PM is yards ahead of EdM on the leadership front - Labour's moist hand maidens are trying to besmirch Cameron's character using the highly tenuous link to Mr Crosby having Philip Morris as a client.
If this is a measure of their desperation - roll on - its very telling.
Really chaps - if this is the best you can do, I can only say Latvian Homophobes were equally effective as a vote shifter.0 -
Probably not. Fracking is simply another way of extracting gas, which we already use as a source of energy. To switch over to hydrogen fuel would require a significant changeHertsmere_Pubgoer said:Sorry to go off topic so quickly, but could this make fracking unnecessary?
A protein found in the membranes of ancient microorganisms that live in desert salt flats could offer a new way of using sunlight to generate environmentally friendly hydrogen fuel, according to a new study by researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130719140006.htm
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I'm not comparing Blair to Cameron, tim. I'm comparing Blair's *selling out* to tobacco-related interests to Cameron's not being bought by the same interests. The selling out didnt sink Labour so I doubt not selling out will fatally damage the Tories.tim said:
Compare Blair and Cameron if you like, but one was good at winning elections and one blew his chance.
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Why do you keep making the Cameron/Kinnock comparison?tim said:
Blair had a 14% cushion, Cameron is so second rate he couldn't put Brown away.Neil said:
Or put more on the Tory percentage than Kinnock did in 92.
Compare Blair and Cameron if you like, but one was good at winning elections and one blew his chance.
You know it's statistical bullshit - it's beene xplained multiple times.
Cameron wasn't able to resist the political shidt away from the top 2 parties that has been going on for a generation. But within that framwork he did far better than Kinnock.
The fact he is PM is one indicator of that.0 -
Some more evidence that the result of the referendum lies with the Don't Knows, and there are lots of them.
'Scottish Independence vote: 46% don’t know enough
Less than half of Scots feel well informed enough about the issues surrounding independence and the referendum, research by pro-independence campaign group Yes Scotland has found.
A survey commissioned by the organisation revealed that, of those polled, 46% believe they know enough ahead of the 2014 vote.
Of those people, 47% said they plan to vote yes, 1% behind the number who said they planned to vote no.
The survey - which is part of a wider programme of research by Yes Scotland - quizzed more than 1,000 people in April.'
http://tinyurl.com/mdlcbt4
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Health ministers, junior or senior, form their views based on their departmental considerations.tim said:
It's not a smear to quote all the Tory health ministers who supported the pre Crosby cigarette policyCharles said:
Ah. A smear then.tim said:@Charles
Camerons character is salient, that's what this is about
Despite the fact that the last government wasn't convinced of the case. Despite the fact that this was effectively killed by multiple senior Cabinet Ministers (May plus others IIRC) last year on the grounds it was politically disastrous, you make allegations, without evidence, that are difficult to disprove.
Labour tactics are the equivalent of "when did you stop beating your wife"
A nasty little party, led by nasty little people.
And just watch Cameron squirm when he's asked about it.
That's the point.
"As a father" Daves govt was arguing it would stop kids smoking up until recently, then "As a father" Dave changed his mind
Cabinet makes policy decisions based on a wide remit.
I'm sure that plain packaging would have a benefit (although not much since, in larger stores they are already behind shutters) and there is a risk that it could increase the "cool" factor in adopting smoking among kids.
But you have to weigh this against the question of freedom. If a product is legal, why should the government interfere like this? That is the remit of Cabinet.
The PM only talks about what government policy is at the moment he is asked. If he muses in public about the possibility of a change then it becomes a "PM slaps down X story".
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you can keep your shale gas, we will be happy with our own oil.CarlottaVance said:
Curious concept of 'democracy' Roger!Roger said:ditch a Tory government as easily and as permanently.
I reckon the Scots will want their share of the English Shale Gas.....0 -
TUD, it will be squeaky bum time for the unionists soon , we will see panic in labour ranks. Be interesting to hear the squeals when YES is in the lead.Theuniondivvie said:Some more evidence that the result of the referendum lies with the Don't Knows, and there are lots of them.
'Scottish Independence vote: 46% don’t know enough
Less than half of Scots feel well informed enough about the issues surrounding independence and the referendum, research by pro-independence campaign group Yes Scotland has found.
A survey commissioned by the organisation revealed that, of those polled, 46% believe they know enough ahead of the 2014 vote.
Of those people, 47% said they plan to vote yes, 1% behind the number who said they planned to vote no.
The survey - which is part of a wider programme of research by Yes Scotland - quizzed more than 1,000 people in April.'
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No need to shift a single vote for Labour to win most seats in 2015. Like the Tories Labour are not speaking to anything like the whole country. They just need 35% or so of the votes. And around 30% is just about guaranteed. I suspect 2010 LDs are more familiar with Crosby than most other voters.Plato said:I see that given the PM is yards ahead of EdM on the leadership front - Labour's moist hand maidens are trying to besmirch Cameron's character using the highly tenuous link to Mr Crosby having Philip Morris as a client.
If this is a measure of their desperation - roll on - its very telling.
Really chaps - if this is the best you can do, I can only say Latvian Homophobes were equally effective as a vote shifter.
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In this short thread I think tim has managed to invoke just about all his tired old insults.
He is one ANGRY boy.
If we're not careful, he might put his tongue OUT next.0 -
Plato, who could forget the Chameleon/posh Tory attacks, Labour have been making this mistake for years. Stick Cameron on the front steps of No10 Downing Street, or at the Despatch box and he looks, sounds and behaves like PM who was up for the job of tackling the UK's problems. And that is the problem Ed Miliband and the Labour party face right now. Ed Miliband simple isn't cutting it as a credible alternative to Cameron, and the Labour party have failed to produce an equally credible alternative to this Coalition Government in the way of viable policies they can sell on a shoe string budget.
After three years of being the only main Opposition, and with the public giving Ed and his team an extended benefit of doubt, they still have nothing to offer but this. And the bad news underlying the legacy of the previous Labour Government that so many of the Shadow Cabinet were a part of still keeps rolling out. We know what they did to the UK economy, welfare, NHS etc, and we are now awaiting the Chilcot Inquiry which will bring back the spectre of Blair, Brown and Iraq. After the New Labour years of spin, the Labour party are now reaping what they sowed.Plato said:I see that given the PM is yards ahead of EdM on the leadership front - Labour's moist hand maidens are trying to besmirch Cameron's character using the highly tenuous link to Mr Crosby having Philip Morris as a client.
If this is a measure of their desperation - roll on - its very telling.
Really chaps - if this is the best you can do, I can only say Latvian Homophobes were equally effective as a vote shifter.0 -
"A bank rescue package totalling some £500 billion (approximately $850 billion) was announced by the British government on 8 October 2008 " to save RBS and BoS . I'd be happy to see you , your children , your grand children , your great-grand children and your great-great-grand children paying off your outstanding debts to the Union.malcolmg said:
you can keep your shale gas, we will be happy with our own oil.CarlottaVance said:
Curious concept of 'democracy' Roger!Roger said:ditch a Tory government as easily and as permanently.
I reckon the Scots will want their share of the English Shale Gas.....
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Cllr Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi selected by Gravesham Labour.
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Richard Dodd - Because Saddam Hussein was such a meek and mild ruler who wouldn't hurt a fly0
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It's spooky how the 'H' on Unionists' keyboards always stops working the moment they type HBOS.MonikerDiCanio said:to save RBS and BoS
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On the issue of the Scottish Indy Referendum and the current unpopularity of Coalition Government up here, there is a simple solution called tactical voting which Scots are quite savvy at doing. And thanks to the Euro's, the Indy Ref, a GE closely followed by the Holyrood elections the Scots are going to have a veritable democratic feast of ways to air their views in the polling booths with prizes for everyone.0
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fitalassfitalass said:On the issue of the Scottish Indy Referendum and the current unpopularity of Coalition Government up here, there is a simple solution called tactical voting which Scots are quite savvy at doing. And thanks to the Euro's, the Indy Ref, a GE closely followed by the Holyrood elections the Scots are going to have a veritable democratic feast of ways to air their views in the polling booths with prizes for everyone.
Better to keep the argument to one election at a time.
Otherwise it might confuse tim.
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If a PM can't carry his senior colleagues then he doesn't get his policy implemented. Simple.tim said:
Don't be silly Charles, it was Dave who wanted to make minimum unit alcohol pricing his personal policy.on and on he went overriding ministersCharles said:
Health ministers, junior or senior, form their views based on their departmental considerations.tim said:
Cabinet makes policy decisions based on a wide remit.... The PM only talks about what government policy is at the moment he is asked. If he muses in public about the possibility of a change then it becomes a "PM slaps down X story".
It's just that he really isn't very good, look at the police commissioner farce he spent seven years thinking about, or the marriage tax break which torpedoed the Tories in the elections run up.
Same story - posturing followed by emptiness
Police comissioners have happened, or didn't you notice? Low turnout, in part because of the silly date chosen for the election, but the shift of political overisght from an unelected body to a post with a democratic mandate is a good thing in my view. And they haven't been the disaster that so many opponents were claiming.
I suspect the marriage tax will happen either before the election or be in the manifesto. Not a big vote shifter though.
Now shall we get back to Labour's dependence on smearing a basically decent guy because they don't have any substantive policies?0 -
HYUFD..So Saddam was Mr Nasty..so lets go and kill a few thousand kids and their parents..yep, sounds good, they are only Iraqis anyway.0
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Yep.....26 vs 23......or about a third of the margin of error......SouthamObserver said:
I suspect 2010 LDs are more familiar with Crosby than most other votersPlato said:I see that given the PM is yards ahead of EdM on the leadership front - Labour's moist hand maidens are trying to besmirch Cameron's character using the highly tenuous link to Mr Crosby having Philip Morris as a client.
If this is a measure of their desperation - roll on - its very telling.
Really chaps - if this is the best you can do, I can only say Latvian Homophobes were equally effective as a vote shifter.
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Martin Amis - Admires Obama, Cameron plausible, not a fan of Farage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/authorinterviews/10190208/Martin-Amis-Cameron-looks-very-plausible.html0 -
Most of that wasn't real cash out, but guarantees (that the banks were charged for). The real cash out was paid back with equity, which the government may or may not sell at a profit.MonikerDiCanio said:
"A bank rescue package totalling some £500 billion (approximately $850 billion) was announced by the British government on 8 October 2008 " to save RBS and BoS . I'd be happy to see you , your children , your grand children , your great-grand children and your great-great-grand children paying off your outstanding debts to the Union.malcolmg said:
you can keep your shale gas, we will be happy with our own oil.CarlottaVance said:
Curious concept of 'democracy' Roger!Roger said:ditch a Tory government as easily and as permanently.
I reckon the Scots will want their share of the English Shale Gas.....
So the cost to the taxpayer is the (cost of capital * cash injections) + (fully loaded cost of guarantees - fees charged for the guarantees) - value of equity received in return. A lot less than £500bn I suspect0 -
Oh yes HBOS ,Theuniondivvie said:
It's spooky how the 'H' on Unionists' keyboards always stops working the moment they type HBOS.MonikerDiCanio said:to save RBS and BoS
"of course we Scots are lucky enough to have the one of the best brands in the world - a global recognition and affection for our culture that money cannot buy. Take financial services. With RBS and HBOS - two of the world's biggest banks - Scotland has global leaders today, tomorrow and for the long-term. "
Spivs , speculators , a parcel of rogues , and a bag of shite.
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RichardDodd - Saddam Hussein killed between 200,000-500,000 over the course of his regime, not including the at least 300,000 killed in the Iran War. Who knows how many hundreds of thousands more he and his sons would have killed had Blair not ended his regime. In any case, the majority killed in the Iraq War were actually killed by Iraqis themselves in the immediate aftermath. Now at least they have a democratic government and the right to determine their own future!0
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According to some posters on here, these 2010 Lib Dem voters are remarkable folk. Apparantly they get two votes at the next GE. One to elect a Labour MP and another vote to keep all the Lib Dem MPs in place....0
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Cost of non intervention in Syria?
Cost of non intervention in Bosnia?
Cost of non intervention in Rwanda?
Cost of non intervention in Congo?
There are approximately 200 nations now at the UN - the other 190-odd could have intervened in any of these without us if they so wished.
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Most of the losses were in Peter Cummings corporate bank - part of the heritage BoS. Halifax was acquired by BoS, the business had significant English operations but was a Scottish companyTheuniondivvie said:
It's spooky how the 'H' on Unionists' keyboards always stops working the moment they type HBOS.MonikerDiCanio said:to save RBS and BoS
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The Cheshire Farmer has finally flipped..Apparently Cameron is a total disaster for not embracing plain packaging and as a direct result of that some youngsters will take up smoking, it is obviously a complete dereliction of Camerons duty as a Father, now ..lets talk about blowing kids to shreds, which Blair did..as a father..0
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According to Atticus in today's ST research by a French magazine has shown that conservatives are more likely than left-wingers to have a single sexual partner over the course of their life, left-wingers are twice as likely to engage in partner swapping and 25% more likely to be unfaithful. While supporters of the extreme right enjoy 'non-standard sexual extremities'0
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Phil Mickelson has grabbed the Open Championship by three balls. A win well deserved, he played the last 6 holes at 4 under par.0
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Was there a full blown civil war including genocide going on in Iraq..the papers kept that little affair secret..no problems though, we showed them how to do it0
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GeoffM - Apparently he thinks Obama is the most well spoken president since Lincoln, while he can't stand Farage and UKIP and while a Labour supporter he thinks Cameron does the PM job well0
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Quick death... Slow death. Hmmh... Not sure one is much better than the other...richardDodd said:The Cheshire Farmer has finally flipped..Apparently Cameron is a total disaster for not embracing plain packaging and as a direct result of that some youngsters will take up smoking, it is obviously a complete dereliction of Camerons duty as a Father, now ..lets talk about blowing kids to shreds, which Blair did..as a father..
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On topic - Of course the union campaign will keep Dave a million miles away, it will be fronted by the likes of Darling, Reid, Lamont and Ming Campbell. In any case, I doubt the economy will exactly be roaring ahead next year even if there is some recovery, I would also expect the polls to be neck and neck at best for the Tories0
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Did you really mean *extremities*? Or is that a dodgy translation?HYUFD said:According to Atticus in today's ST research by a French magazine has shown that conservatives are more likely than left-wingers to have a single sexual partner over the course of their life, left-wingers are twice as likely to engage in partner swapping and 25% more likely to be unfaithful. While supporters of the extreme right enjoy 'non-standard sexual extremities'
The mind boggles!0 -
Unlike Blair who spent much of his time getting Tonga to intervene in China.tim said:
I don't think Douglas Hurd spent his time preventing Tonga intervening in BosniaNo_Offence_Alan said:
There are approximately 200 nations now at the UN - the other 190-odd could have intervened in any of these without us if they so wished.tim said:richardDodd said:tim..hate to repeat this ..but as a father Blair dismembered ,incinerated and orphaned thousands of children.. as a father..I wonder if he went out for a little family meal with Cherie and the kids on the day he signed all those childrens death warrants..as a father.
Cost of non intervention in Syria?
Cost of non intervention in Bosnia?
Cost of non intervention in Rwanda?
Cost of non intervention in Congo?
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Richard Dodd - What you mean apart from Saddam's massacre of the Kurds etc? In any case, while not perfect, Iraq has begun to settle down and has a far better future than it would have done under Saddam and then the regime of his even more bloodthirsty son which would have inevitably followed0
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Charles One lot has a choice the other lot did not, therein lies the difference0
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White male Labour candidate selections are becoming a bit of a rarity.0
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Good evening, everyone.
Isn't this double-edged, either way?
If the economy's rubbish the SNP can say, "Vote for independence, then we'll be prosperous." However, economic pessimism might make voters risk averse.
If the economy's super the SNP might hope that'll make people optimistic for the future, but unionists can say, "Isn't this lovely? Why change now?"0 -
I should say so, 63% Halifax, 37% BoS.Charles said:
the business had significant English operations
Under whose banking regulations did HBOS operate? To which exchequer did they pay their taxes?
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Could you list their options, please?Theuniondivvie said:Under whose banking regulations did HBOS operate? To which exchequer did they pay their taxes?
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GeoffM - Good call, did briefly consider putting some money on Westwood, but he has a history of poor finishes so I decided not to luckily and head overruled heart!0
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Charles - I would assume it is a French expression for S and M?0
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HYFUD..You have just joined the PB soothsayers club, you have no idea what would have taken place in Iraq, bet you are jolly pleased we got their oil tho, what's a few thousand slaughtered, Iraqi, children against keeping the old motor on the road.0
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Very much so.Morris_Dancer said:Isn't this double-edged, either way?
If the economy's rubbish ...
1. The economy is sluggish, not helped by subsidising Scotland. Let's bin them off and rUK will be in a better position.
2. The economy is doing splendidly, but could be even better if we stopped subsidising Scotland. Let's bin them off and rUK will be in a better position.
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Most recent Labour candidate selections:
Rosie Cooper
Vicky Fowler
Jo Stevens
Josie Channor
Claire Edwards
Natasha Millward
Rowenna Davis
Tulip Siddiq
Leonie Mathers
Chris Oxlade
Veronica Bennett
Purna Sen
Will Martindale
Cat Smith
Catherine Atkinson
Andrew Gwynne
Lindsay Hoyle
Sarah Jones
Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi0 -
Hurd and Waddington did not start any of the genocidal wars that tim, the Cheshire Farmer has listed, it is a small diversion to take the attention off Big Daddy , Mr Tony Blair, who personally signed the order to go to war and ensured the deaths of thousands of IRAQI children, as a father0
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Richard Dodd - I could not care less about oil, but Saddam Hussein was one of the biggest genocidal maniacs of the 20th century, am I sorry he is gone, in a word - no!0
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That is unfair. The party that will be most over represented by white males after the GE is the Lib Dems. They may even have a smaller % of female MPs than their present "achievement".Neil said:
I bet they'll still be over-represented in the 2015 PLP.Andy_JS said:White male Labour candidate selections are becoming a bit of a rarity.
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It's neither fair nor unfair. It's simply an observation about the likely make-up of the PLP after the next general election.TCPoliticalBetting said:
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In this wonderful age of globalisation, surely the world was their oyster. The one option in both respects that they didn't have was Scottish.GeoffM said:
Could you list their options, please?Theuniondivvie said:Under whose banking regulations did HBOS operate? To which exchequer did they pay their taxes?
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Sure. In my view the rational thing is for HBOS and RBS to move to the UK. Scotland isn't large enough to support two global banks of that scale.Theuniondivvie said:
I should say so, 63% Halifax, 37% BoS.Charles said:
the business had significant English operations
Under whose banking regulations did HBOS operate? To which exchequer did they pay their taxes?
It's thw same with oil and Faslane and everything else. There needs to be a calculation of a fair split of total assets rather than worrying about a or b. If someone absolutely insists on having a then they need to argue for that in the discussions and give up something else in return.0 -
I thought there were significant shale reserves in Scotland too?0
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The chances of the number of female MPs reaching 200 at the next election are looking very good at present. The current figure is 147.0
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"When the dust settles on the Keogh report published last week’s one figure is likely to linger: the “13,000 excess deaths” in the 14 NHS hospitals. It deserves careful scrutiny
Jonathan Portes is director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research and former chief economist at the Cabinet Office"
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England's bowlers have 8 overs to avoid having to play tomorrow in temperatures of possibly 35 degrees.0
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Regarding the last Labour government
"we had not realised that our government was capable of such folly and such crookedness."
We certainly did not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10192271/The-betrayal-of-Dr-David-Kelly-10-years-on.html0 -
There are, though not sure how easily or profitably accessible they are (from what I can see the same also applies to the English stuff).RobD said:I thought there were significant shale reserves in Scotland too?
Oh, to have so many options!
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Gilligan had better be on strong ground:Floater said:Regarding the last Labour government
"we had not realised that our government was capable of such folly and such crookedness."
We certainly did not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10192271/The-betrayal-of-Dr-David-Kelly-10-years-on.html
"Campbell lied to Parliament about the content of this memo, giving the Foreign Affairs Committee an altered copy which omitted his comments on the 45-minute claim and played down his interventions on most of the other issues."
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I think someone would have mentioned something if they'd chosen the Cayman Islands.Theuniondivvie said:In this wonderful age of globalisation, surely the world was their oyster. The one option in both respects that they didn't have was Scottish.
Of course they did pay taxes to the UK and operate under the financial rules of the UK of which Scotland is part. Whether they choose to keep their head office in an independent Scotland would be an interesting decision. It would have political as well as financial implications.
If financial implications were the only ones I'd encourage them to go the Cayman Islands route for a better shareholder return.
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Charles, well I never knew that!0
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Lord's is a sell-out tomorrow with about 30,000 tickets sold.0
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There's a full refund if 10 overs or less are bowled.GeoffM said:
Do you know what the refund rules are for, say, a couple of overs' play?Andy_JS said:Lord's is a sell-out tomorrow with about 30,000 tickets sold.
50% refund if 10.1 to 24.5 overs are bowled.
Do you have a ticket, IYDMMA?
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HYUFD Saddam.. bad lad, pity we had to take tens of thousands of innocent lives to get rid of him..Tony Blair, signed the order to do that.. as a father0
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You used to get no refund at all if just one ball was bowled.
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The only people who would hold a 5th day ticket to a Lords Test Match are 2010 Lib Dem defectorsAndy_JS said:
There's a full refund if 10 overs or less are bowled.GeoffM said:
Do you know what the refund rules are for, say, a couple of overs' play?Andy_JS said:Lord's is a sell-out tomorrow with about 30,000 tickets sold.
50% refund if 10.1 to 24.5 overs are bowled.
Do you have a ticket, IYDMMA?
http://www.lords.org/visiting/coming-to-lords/general-ground-regulations/
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England win with 4 balls to go!!!!!!!0
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2-0 England then, yawn! (Can't believe I would ever say that about the Ashes!)0
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Thanks for that, it was academic interest only. I had hoped to time a business trip to UK this year with the Lords test but failed. Some of my colleagues were more fortunate and got there for Day 2.Andy_JS said:There's a full refund if 10 overs or less are bowled.
That'd mean close on a £2.5mil refund. Whew! As all the players were expecting a match anyway, shame there isn't thought given to a 50 over contest. That was how the international shorter form took off in the first place if I recall.
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Feel bad saying this, but there is something unlikeable about a few of the England cricket team which is making this success less enjoyable than it should be0
