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The only problem with Corbyn's approach of asking a prepared set of questions means that he isn't really responding to points that Cameron makes - hasn't got the back and forth that you normally expect of PMQs. Just allows Cameron to play it easy and make plenty of points.0
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I listened on radio.
Thought that exchange came across much better than the usual shout fest.
And we seemed to actually learn stuff.
Overall I think both sides came out quite well.
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Most interesting bit of that exchange was pondering where Corbyn got his jacket and tie from.
Charity shop?0 -
There is no point in having a set of pre-determined questions like this. You need to be able to respond and challenge the answers as well as asking the questions.TheScreamingEagles said:For years people complained they wanted less Punch and Judy at PMQs.
No we've got it, they say it is boring.
Corbyn says he wants substantive debate - but you have to listen and respond to the other side not just ask a set of questions.0 -
Wow - Cameron going gangbusters on SNPer. What a difference!0
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Robertson just trapped Cameron quite spectacularly.0
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Yes. Osborne is like a chess-player: he's thinking three or four moves ahead.rottenborough said:Osborne looks like he's seriously weighing it all up. He looks a little bit concerned.
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Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
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How impressive is Corbyn, within a few days he's transformed PMQs, just imagine what he'll do to the country in five years.SeanT said:God what a fecking yawnfest. Corbyn has killed off PMQs.
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David Cameron is astute enough not to attack, he doesn't need toDair said:
I think that's his intention.SeanT said:Better from Corbyn. But this is dreary.
He has, quite effectively, avoided any direct attack on him, his record, his anthem singing, his fringe associations. He's defused the possibility of attack from Cameron.0 -
The govt will be praying for 5 years of boring question times.Casino_Royale said:
But you can either have punch & judy and theatre (fun/exciting makes great 5 second clips on the news) or you can have serious questions with factual answers (boring/dull)Bob__Sykes said:What Corbyn is doing is admirable, and what he has obviously always wanted from PMQs.
But it's going to be very dull if this continues, and actually makes Cameron look better because it means no Flashman/Punch & Judy and stock answers with tractor stats.
And to echo the comment below, yes, it does feel like a R5 phone in.
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I'm pretty sure the people who were at any of Jezza's roadshows will have found it boring also.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Not surprising PBers find it boring, punch-and-judy was always good for anoraks.TheScreamingEagles said:For years people complained they wanted less Punch and Judy at PMQs.
No we've got it, they say it is boring.
And that matters.
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There won't be a sniff of a coup until Jez has faced the electorate, at least in locals or Scotland.Morris_Dancer said:Corbyn's performance worst possible for Labour. Steady, but dull.
A rip-roaring triumph would get them behind him. Utter failure would encourage a coup.
As someone below said, this will keep dissent simmering. Labour are indecisive when it comes to regicide. This isn't good enough to enthuse, and isn't bad enough to get the blood lust flowing.0 -
Angus Robertson tries to "do" funny. Fails.0
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But Corbyn has no experience whatsoever of the front bench. On your analogy, he's a decent club player who's been drafted into a test match.TGOHF said:Mad approach - a series of soft balls for Cam to smash out of the park.
And more than one test batsman has got out mishitting soft balls.0 -
Flashman is out after 19 mins0
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You've got to love the random backbencher questions at PMQs.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
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Cameron's answer with the Rhino gave me the horn.welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
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Indeed – the type of PMQs some say we should have, but then complain it’s boring..DaemonBarber said:I listened on radio.
Thought that exchange came across much better than the usual shout fest.
And we seemed to actually learn stuff.
Overall I think both sides came out quite well.
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It's the Labour Party who have ended up holding a big cat by the tail. How on earth are they going to let go?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
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Good answer to the SNP waffle about "broken promises"
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It's at least a size too large - and cheap looking, the pucker on the top of the sleeve had my eyes glued to it.Bob__Sykes said:
Most interesting bit of that exchange was pondering where Corbyn got his jacket and tie from.
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Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.0
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SNP allowing a very easy answer from Cameron who easily turned the tables on his 'new style of PMQs' jibe.0
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1. He likes manhole covers and coal plates. A most under-appreciated example of industrial workmanship meeting art.Cyclefree said:
I agree. In the spirit of contrarianism, why don't we try and find 3 nice things to say about Corbyn. I will start.TheScreamingEagles said:
1) I've tried my best, but I can't get outraged by a lifelong Republican not singing God Save The QueenRoger said:Isn't the story of the day whether corbyn's lips were seen to move during the national anthem?
2) PB is at its best when it is slight contrarian
3) It's bloody tedious writing Corbyn is crap threads.
1. He's keen on allotments and gardening. This is a good thing. Not enough allotments. Not enough green space e.g. on roof terraces, people not making the most of their front gardens etc. More power to Guerilla Gardeners!
2. He voted against ID cards.
3. He raised mental health as an issue which needs more focus. Couldn't agree more. The Lib Dems did some good work on this in the last Parliament. I hope the Tories continue with it and if Labour support this I think this will be a really encouraging development, particularly mental health services for young people.
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2. He believes that mental health is important, he's created a shadow post to deal with it; that's exemplary.
3. He is that relatively rare bird; a conviction politician. This is laudable despite my belief that virtually all his convictions are wrong.0 -
That Corby joke had me in stitches.0
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He may be getting worried. Jez's style is more likely to come up with, eventually, a question that skewers Cameron on a technicality than Ed M's mindless shouting out of his prepared soundbite notes. At least Jez actually asks a question.Casino_Royale said:
Yes. Osborne is like a chess-player: he's thinking three or four moves ahead.rottenborough said:Osborne looks like he's seriously weighing it all up. He looks a little bit concerned.
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Yup, the Jezzbollah faithful who wanted to start a revolution will have seen their warrior wave the white flag on day one.TOPPING said:
I'm pretty sure the people who were at any of Jezza's roadshows will have found it boring also.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Not surprising PBers find it boring, punch-and-judy was always good for anoraks.TheScreamingEagles said:For years people complained they wanted less Punch and Judy at PMQs.
No we've got it, they say it is boring.
And that matters.
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Only by changing their spots.flightpath01 said:
It's the Labour Party who have ended up holding a big cat by the tail. How on earth are they going to let go?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
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TSE is correct.
Expectation management is the game.
Jezza was a little nervous but grew into his style and themes. Better than expected and therefore a thoroughly earnest and better performance and that likely will be the story.0 -
Put your other set of eyes in.rottenborough said:Osborne looks like he's seriously weighing it all up. He looks a little bit concerned.
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Genuine lol.welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
WTF?
Corbyn was okay but however PMQs goes, people don't watch it and don't care about it. Punch & Judy or 5 Live phone-in.0 -
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Yes, it was exactly that which made me think it was from Oxfam.Plato_Says said:It's at least a size too large - and cheap looking, the pucker on the top of the sleeve had my eyes glued to it.
Bob__Sykes said:Most interesting bit of that exchange was pondering where Corbyn got his jacket and tie from.
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It would have been a tactical error for Cameron to play the man on his first PMQs, particularly given that Corbyn sounds to have played it straight himself.Dair said:
I think that's his intention.SeanT said:Better from Corbyn. But this is dreary.
He has, quite effectively, avoided any direct attack on him, his record, his anthem singing, his fringe associations. He's defused the possibility of attack from Cameron.
I've little doubt that as time rolls on and Corbyn becomes more established and publicly recognisable as the face of Labour, Cameron will move more onto the attack.0 -
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.0 -
People say they don't like the punch and judy style, but they do really.SimonStClare said:
Indeed – the type of PMQs some say we should have, but then complain it’s boring..DaemonBarber said:I listened on radio.
Thought that exchange came across much better than the usual shout fest.
And we seemed to actually learn stuff.
Overall I think both sides came out quite well.
PMQs is theatre, you would rarely learn anything new.
Today was an exception, but that is more to do with finding out about Corbyn rather than government policy.0 -
Huzzah , the slayer of the TPD is up0
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Dull PMQs, except for the tiger/Nancy the Rhinoceros.0
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@BBCAllegra: It was PMQs as radio phone in. Could get more interested if ppl want their Q asked... But was it the best way to hold PM accountable? Hmm.0
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if nothing specific was offered, then how can you complain when nothing specific is delivered?Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.
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@GdnPolitics: Snap verdict on #Corbyn's #PMQs performance from @AndrewSparrow http://t.co/r8dMRoaImF http://t.co/gykAKLt1990
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Actually a non performance, since not one question was asked from Corbyn himself. Is this what he meant by using proxies?JackW said:TSE is correct.
Expectation management is the game.
Jezza was a little nervous but grew into his style and themes. Better than expected and therefore a thoroughly earnest and better performance and that likely will be the story.0 -
Miss Plato, some men (and probably some ladies) generate an internal scruffiness field. It doesn't matter who dresses them and how much care and attention they put into their appearance, they still look like a sack of shit tied in the middle after about 3.5 nanoseconds. Perhaps Corbyn is just one of them.Plato_Says said:It's at least a size too large - and cheap looking, the pucker on the top of the sleeve had my eyes glued to it.
Bob__Sykes said:Most interesting bit of that exchange was pondering where Corbyn got his jacket and tie from.
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So both Newsnight and the Guardian giving Corbyn's new style the thumbs down.
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fine but that wasn't his brief. His brief (from his supporters) was to shake things up. Not mimic Yvette or Andy or the others. But more dully.JackW said:TSE is correct.
Expectation management is the game.
Jezza was a little nervous but grew into his style and themes. Better than expected and therefore a thoroughly earnest and better performance and that likely will be the story.0 -
30 mins in and no Liberal Democrat?0
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The only way Corbyn's format is going to work is if he asks three questions from the public, but then follows up each with some clinical attack on what Cameron has just said. Otherwise, it looks just like a cop-out from a scared man.0
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DUP draw serious blood on Corbo.0
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Nigel Dodds of DUP skewering Corbyn.0
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Cameron was much better on the second question when Robertson wouldn't name any specifics and raised the challenge to do so. Will be interesting to see whether he will next week. If Robertson goes on every week about promises but without specifics it'll start to look waffley and week. If he wants specific taxes, welfare etc. the SNP need to say so.Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.0 -
DUP wow.0
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Which is Cameron's problem. He';s now faced with a situation where only a tiny fraction (around 5% believe he is delivering on Smith and around two thirds don't even think Smith is enough. He gave the SNP carte blanche and no amount of bluster can help him.DaemonBarber said:
if nothing specific was offered, then how can you complain when nothing specific is delivered?Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.0 -
Who are they?Jonathan said:30 mins in and no Liberal Democrat?
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haha hysterical a "hear hear" to the DUP by the Labour backbenches greeted by a look of death by one of the Eagles..0
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@bbclaurak: Labour benches v glum as Nigel Dodds asks about IRA terrorism and mentions John McDonnell0
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That sounds like a very worthwhile cause. I may PM you about it, privately, if you don't mind.philiph said:
As my business is Horticulture and I chair a charity helping people with mental health issues through the use of social and horticultural therapy, I should be a Corbynite.Cyclefree said:
I agree. In the spirit of contrarianism, why don't we try and find 3 nice things to say about Corbyn. I will start.TheScreamingEagles said:
1) I've tried my best, but I can't get outraged by a lifelong Republican not singing God Save The QueenRoger said:Isn't the story of the day whether corbyn's lips were seen to move during the national anthem?
2) PB is at its best when it is slight contrarian
3) It's bloody tedious writing Corbyn is crap threads.
1. He's keen on allotments and gardening. This is a good thing. Not enough allotments. Not enough green space e.g. on roof terraces, people not making the most of their front gardens etc. More power to Guerilla Gardeners!
2. He voted against ID cards.
3. He raised mental health as an issue which needs more focus. Couldn't agree more. The Lib Dems did some good work on this in the last Parliament. I hope the Tories continue with it and if Labour support this I think this will be a really encouraging development, particularly mental health services for young people.
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Couple of points.
All those "real people you've never heard of" reminded me of the War of Jennifer's Ear. The effectiveness of which ran out after a while.
Secondly, Corbyn had very good sequencing. Apart from his segue into mental health, every question nicely set up the next, because Cameron's obvious answer to one would leave him vulnerable to the following one. Corbyn executed this strategy much better than Miliband did before him, in some ways the construction of his questions and follow-ups reminded me of Hague vs Blair.
Thirdly, did Cameron "wargame" his responses? I know Blair rehearsed thoroughly before his PMQs, with someone playing a mock Hague. Cameron himself has prepared in this way before the GE debates, with staff members playing the rival party leaders. I thought Cameron would want to be very well prepared in this event. And yet his answers contained obvious weaknesses. (I knew from the moment that Cameron said that the combination of his tax credit reforms plus living wage meant that someone on min wage would be X thousand better off, that the immediate follow-up from Corbyn would be to quote the more authoritative IFS figures back at him. The IFS figures are closer to what "real people" are going to experience: since many don't work full-time, or are too young for the full benefit of the living wage, then the living wage is not going to be so much help as Cameron's more hypothetical figures suggested, and many people are going to be worse off. And sure enough, Corbyn quoted the IFS figures, just like I predicted. I'm not a completely swotty political anorak and even I saw that one coming. I can't believe that if Cameron had thoroughly wargamed this, he'd have fallen into that trap.)
Fourthly, thought Cameron did okay. Showed good reserve. Didn't let Flashman out for a play but still got the "need a strong economy" and the attack line about "family security" in. This current Conservative machine have an admirable focus for being on-message: its drone-line nature might turn people off, but remember that most people don't get exposed to a lot of politics on TV or the web. So only by being so repetitive can a message get through. It does mean, though, that the Tories need to judge which buttons to press in an absolutely bang-on way. If they misjudge it slightly then it's all in vain. The British public definitely bought the "strong economy" message at the last election, according to the polls, whether they will buy the "Corbyn is a danger" (I mean he doesn't look very threatening, bike-riding Islington jam-maker that he is, though awareness of the IRA/Islamist links is only seeping slowly into the wider public awareness) remains to be seen.0 -
Could be a theme.KentRising said:Nigel Dodds of DUP skewering Corbyn.
Looking forward to the DUP coming up with new and imaginative ways to oppose literally every word that comes out of Corbyn's mouth.0 -
Jeremy has always sung the national anthem. He always will sing the national anthem.SimonStClare said:
"Four legs good, two legs better!” – Corbynite republicans are going to love it…Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Labour sources say @jeremycorbyn will sing national anthem at future events
Another day of negative headlines for no gain0 -
@georgeeaton: That question from Nigel Dodds exemplified why so many Labour MPs and trade unions didn't want McDonnell appointed. #PMQs0
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Jezza played to his more limited strengths and thus the gladiatorial arena that many hoped for fell flat. Whether this approach will work more long term is less likely.MikeK said:
Actually a non performance, since not one question was asked from Corbyn himself. Is this what he meant by using proxies?JackW said:TSE is correct.
Expectation management is the game.
Jezza was a little nervous but grew into his style and themes. Better than expected and therefore a thoroughly earnest and better performance and that likely will be the story.
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What a crock of shitDair said:
Which is Cameron's problem. He';s now faced with a situation where only a tiny fraction (around 5% believe he is delivering on Smith and around two thirds don't even think Smith is enough. He gave the SNP carte blanche and no amount of bluster can help him.DaemonBarber said:
if nothing specific was offered, then how can you complain when nothing specific is delivered?Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.
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Well that was a moving and devastating question from Nigel Dodds re IRA terrorism and a well measured response from David Cameron and brings great shame on Corbyn and the shadow chancellor0
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Not really. It is a reasonable starting point but he needs to be able to pick up the answer and make a real point. If he simply moves onto the next people question Cameron is not getting held to account.rottenborough said:
He may be getting worried. Jez's style is more likely to come up with, eventually, a question that skewers Cameron on a technicality than Ed M's mindless shouting out of his prepared soundbite notes. At least Jez actually asks a question.Casino_Royale said:
Yes. Osborne is like a chess-player: he's thinking three or four moves ahead.rottenborough said:Osborne looks like he's seriously weighing it all up. He looks a little bit concerned.
Even Ed got this. 6 questions allow an argument to be developed but it needs a strategy, not just reading out disparate questions.0 -
John_M said:
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I agree. In the spirit of contrarianism, why don't we try and find 3 nice things to say about Corbyn. I will start.TheScreamingEagles said:
1) I've tried my best, but I can't get outraged by a lifelong Republican not singing God Save The QueenRoger said:Isn't the story of the day whether corbyn's lips were seen to move during the national anthem?
2) PB is at its best when it is slight contrarian
3) It's bloody tedious writing Corbyn is crap threads.
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2. He voted against ID cards.
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2. He believes that mental health is important, he's created a shadow post to deal with it; that's exemplary.
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Spending on mental health is going up. As announced before the election 1 billion over 5 years.
Creating a minister (and we already have an official minister) is not going to conjure up money from nowhere. The NHS budget is ringfenced, where are we going to take money away from? Refugees?0 -
@ShippersUnbound: Angela Eagle nodding in agreement with Cameron as he says apologists for terrorism "should be ashamed of themselves". Corbyn looks down.0
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There's only eight of them. They should get roughly one question in eighty, excluding Corbyn's allocation.Jonathan said:30 mins in and no Liberal Democrat?
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The lack of specifics is because Cameron failed to offer specifics in his Vow and interested parties (i.e. people in Scotland) are pretty much aware of this. It's a corner Cameron can't get out of because he's dealing with an engaged electorate.Gravitation said:
Cameron was much better on the second question when Robertson wouldn't name any specifics and raised the challenge to do so. Will be interesting to see whether he will next week. If Robertson goes on every week about promises but without specifics it'll start to look waffley and week. If he wants specific taxes, welfare etc. the SNP need to say so.Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.0 -
Speaker needs a new watch.0
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Dair said:
Which is Cameron's problem. He';s now faced with a situation where only a tiny fraction (around 5% believe he is delivering on Smith and around two thirds don't even think Smith is enough. He gave the SNP carte blanche and no amount of bluster can help him.DaemonBarber said:
if nothing specific was offered, then how can you complain when nothing specific is delivered?Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.
Angus mentioned the Scottish Trade unions were on his side - what more proof does anyone need ??
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I'd agree with that - you can find beautiful industrial artistry all over the place. An old friend of mine used to photograph phone boxes, and he was trying to see every different type. Other people do the same for pillar boxes.John_M said:
1. He likes manhole covers and coal plates. A most under-appreciated example of industrial workmanship meeting art.Cyclefree said:
I agree. In the spirit of contrarianism, why don't we try and find 3 nice things to say about Corbyn. I will start.TheScreamingEagles said:
1) I've tried my best, but I can't get outraged by a lifelong Republican not singing God Save The QueenRoger said:Isn't the story of the day whether corbyn's lips were seen to move during the national anthem?
2) PB is at its best when it is slight contrarian
3) It's bloody tedious writing Corbyn is crap threads.
1. He's keen on allotments and gardening. This is a good thing. Not enough allotments. Not enough green space e.g. on roof terraces, people not making the most of their front gardens etc. More power to Guerilla Gardeners!
2. He voted against ID cards.
3. He raised mental health as an issue which needs more focus. Couldn't agree more. The Lib Dems did some good work on this in the last Parliament. I hope the Tories continue with it and if Labour support this I think this will be a really encouraging development, particularly mental health services for young people.
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On a similar note: on many shopping streets, you should look above the ground-floors that have been ruined by large windows, and look at the buildings at first floor and above. There is some superb architecture in most towns and cities, yet people only ever look gormlessly into the shop windows.
(One of the mos stunning buildings I ever saw was a composite roof in an industrial building, which I was lucky enough to go into on a Simons hoist. It had been built when steel was short during WWII, and truss members that were under tension were wood, and those under compression steel. The engineered joins between the different material were beautiful, even when covered under decades of pigeon cr@p), I bet most of the people who ever went inside never looked up at the roof.0 -
I wonder what Labours big beasts make of it?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
WTF?
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Added time. Corbyn's first question took forever.Morris_Dancer said:Speaker needs a new watch.
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Hoping for a spot in the Isle of Wight zoo.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what Labours big beasts make of it?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
WTF?0 -
At the risk of a hit squad from Plato and Nick Palmer there is more than one way to skin a cat ....TOPPING said:
fine but that wasn't his brief. His brief (from his supporters) was to shake things up. Not mimic Yvette or Andy or the others. But more dully.JackW said:TSE is correct.
Expectation management is the game.
Jezza was a little nervous but grew into his style and themes. Better than expected and therefore a thoroughly earnest and better performance and that likely will be the story.
Different situations demand different tactics. It's very early days but other aspects of Jezza's "leadership" certainly haven't been dull.
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Is jezza going to fully privatise pmq, by bringing in the people who wrote the questions to ask then or just contract out the drafting of them?0
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@Claire_Phipps: Ban all questions that are effectively: do you agree that your own policy is truly excellent, prime minister? #newPMQs0
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Would have thought they would catch the speaker's eye more often than that. Underlines how prodigiously screwed they are. Wonder how many of the final eight bothered to show up.david_herdson said:
There's only eight of them. They should get roughly one question in eighty, excluding Corbyn's allocation.Jonathan said:30 mins in and no Liberal Democrat?
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2 late questions. One on Trident and one on the IRA. Nothing direct but the knives are going in.0
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DUP steal JC's first PMQ and kick him where it hurts0
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Then what promises is he breaking? If the SNP want specific things devolved, then say so. It goes both ways.Dair said:
The lack of specifics is because Cameron failed to offer specifics in his Vow and interested parties (i.e. people in Scotland) are pretty much aware of this. It's a corner Cameron can't get out of because he's dealing with an engaged electorate.Gravitation said:
Cameron was much better on the second question when Robertson wouldn't name any specifics and raised the challenge to do so. Will be interesting to see whether he will next week. If Robertson goes on every week about promises but without specifics it'll start to look waffley and week. If he wants specific taxes, welfare etc. the SNP need to say so.Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.
I'm sure that if Cameron this afternoon announced that specific taxes and welfare were going to be devolved, SNP supporters would say it was Westminster not consulting Scotland and feel outraged whilst demanding that the 'wrong' taxes etc were devolved.0 -
Not an ocelot I'd have thought.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what Labours big beasts make of it?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
WTF?0 -
Yes. But at the end of the day, so what. Its PMQs and the LOTO is supposed to ask questions. If he asks a decent one - are we all supposed to fall over and faint?DavidL said:
Not really. It is a reasonable starting point but he needs to be able to pick up the answer and make a real point. If he simply moves onto the next people question Cameron is not getting held to account.rottenborough said:
He may be getting worried. Jez's style is more likely to come up with, eventually, a question that skewers Cameron on a technicality than Ed M's mindless shouting out of his prepared soundbite notes. At least Jez actually asks a question.Casino_Royale said:
Yes. Osborne is like a chess-player: he's thinking three or four moves ahead.rottenborough said:Osborne looks like he's seriously weighing it all up. He looks a little bit concerned.
Even Ed got this. 6 questions allow an argument to be developed but it needs a strategy, not just reading out disparate questions.
Are we supposed to expect that if Corbyn were to be sat at a table the the POTUS or Putin or some Chinese Commie - he will say, 'Yes but can you answer the specific question of Mr Halibut from 21 Crickleworth Avenue...'0 -
It was hardly a puma-lling....welshowl said:
Not an ocelot I'd have thought.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what Labours big beasts make of it?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
WTF?0 -
The DUP had the PMQs winner IMO0
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:-) You are knocking spots off us :-)welshowl said:
Not an ocelot I'd have thought.foxinsoxuk said:
I wonder what Labours big beasts make of it?welshowl said:
Be fair MP's of all stripes have an interest in this.Casino_Royale said:"The Isle of Wight Zoo is having trouble importing a tiger.."
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But none of that is a problem for the SNP. The lack of specifics was Cameron's choice and dealing with this is Cameron's problem. At least it is if he wants any reduction in support for the SNP and Independence.Gravitation said:
Then what promises is he breaking? If the SNP want specific things devolved, then say so. It goes both ways.Dair said:
The lack of specifics is because Cameron failed to offer specifics in his Vow and interested parties (i.e. people in Scotland) are pretty much aware of this. It's a corner Cameron can't get out of because he's dealing with an engaged electorate.Gravitation said:
Cameron was much better on the second question when Robertson wouldn't name any specifics and raised the challenge to do so. Will be interesting to see whether he will next week. If Robertson goes on every week about promises but without specifics it'll start to look waffley and week. If he wants specific taxes, welfare etc. the SNP need to say so.Dair said:
Indeed, he made Cameron look stupid twice.DavidL said:Have to say Angus Robertson quite good there.
First by having him resort to Flashman, secondly by having Cameron ask for specifics when any interested party knows that it was Cameron himself who muddied the waters by failing to offer any specifics in his Vow.
I'm sure that if Cameron this afternoon announced that specific taxes and welfare were going to be devolved, SNP supporters would say it was Westminster not consulting Scotland and feel outraged whilst demanding that the 'wrong' taxes etc were devolved.
The issue continues to slip away from Cameron and it's all his (and Gordon Brown's) fault.0 -
Bercow suffers from PMT ...Morris_Dancer said:Speaker needs a new watch.
.... Parliamentary Mean Time.
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If he adjusts it so he only takes questions on one topic (mental health one week, migration the next, housing the week after) I think this style could work well for Corbyn. Needs to have follow up questions though.0
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Of course you can be offended or have the right to be (though it's a funny sort of "right" - it's more of a reaction, surely). But what you don't have is the right to demand that, because you are offended, they should be shut down or prevented from saying what they're saying or killed. And that's what the argument is about.DavidL said:
Personally, I prefer Matt.Cyclefree said:
Yup: that's what satire is about. Outrage, bad taste, shock. See Hogarth, Rowlandson, Gillray - or listen Simon Schama on just this point on this morning's Today programme at about 7:40 or so.isam said:
Where are the #jesuischarlie virtue signallers now?TCPoliticalBetting said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-16/charlie-hebdo-stirs-new-controversy-with-migrant-cartoons/6778946BannedInParis said:Has anyone else spotted the Charlie Hebdo take on the migration crisis?
It's ... um .. a bit ... close to the bone.
Seems as though they are outrageous for the sake of being outrageous... That doesn't take much bravery or wisdom in my book
No bravery should be needed because those who don't like it don't need to read it. The bravery has only been required because people have chosen violence as a reaction. That's their choice - and a very bad choice it is too.
I support their right to be offensive but I also have the right to be offended. They are making a point about western hypocrisy but...nah.
The right to be offended is not that at all. It's a demand that others should not be allowed to say something that someone else doesn't like. If we all did that, no-one would be able to say anything at all. The "offence" is a pretext; it's about power and control.
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7?Jonathan said:
Would have thought they would catch the speaker's eye more often than that. Underlines how prodigiously screwed they are. Wonder how many of the final eight bothered to show up.david_herdson said:
There's only eight of them. They should get roughly one question in eighty, excluding Corbyn's allocation.Jonathan said:30 mins in and no Liberal Democrat?
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Hey, I'm sipping from a bowl of very thin gruel here. I could substitute that he likes making jam if you're going to be picky
Spending on mental health is going up. As announced before the election 1 billion over 5 years.
Creating a minister (and we already have an official minister) is not going to conjure up money from nowhere. The NHS budget is ringfenced, where are we going to take money away from? Refugees?. 0 -
In practice, they probably will. Lucas gets more than her fair share as the sole Green, as does Carswell.Jonathan said:
Would have thought they would catch the speaker's eye more often than that. Underlines how prodigiously screwed they are. Wonder how many of the final eight bothered to show up.david_herdson said:
There's only eight of them. They should get roughly one question in eighty, excluding Corbyn's allocation.Jonathan said:30 mins in and no Liberal Democrat?
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I take it you are a fashion expert rather than an absolute plonkerBob__Sykes said:Y
Yes, it was exactly that which made me think it was from Oxfam.Plato_Says said:It's at least a size too large - and cheap looking, the pucker on the top of the sleeve had my eyes glued to it.
Bob__Sykes said:Most interesting bit of that exchange was pondering where Corbyn got his jacket and tie from.
Charity shop?0 -
Gareth from Hampstead has a lot to answer for.
Jeremy Corbyn brings Any Questions to Westminster.0 -
I thought Jezza did surprisingly well, but Dave did well to attack the policies not the man.DavidL said:2 late questions. One on Trident and one on the IRA. Nothing direct but the knives are going in.
The backbenchers and DUP can put the boot in more effectively.
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I agree. I thought that is what I said. They have the right to publish those cartoons and I support those rights. I just think the cartoons are in very poor taste.Cyclefree said:
Of course you can be offended or have the right to be (though it's a funny sort of "right" - it's more of a reaction, surely). But what you don't have is the right to demand that, because you are offended, they should be shut down or prevented from saying what they're saying or killed. And that's what the argument is about.DavidL said:
Personally, I prefer Matt.Cyclefree said:
Yup: that's what satire is about. Outrage, bad taste, shock. See Hogarth, Rowlandson, Gillray - or listen Simon Schama on just this point on this morning's Today programme at about 7:40 or so.isam said:
Where are the #jesuischarlie virtue signallers now?TCPoliticalBetting said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-16/charlie-hebdo-stirs-new-controversy-with-migrant-cartoons/6778946BannedInParis said:Has anyone else spotted the Charlie Hebdo take on the migration crisis?
It's ... um .. a bit ... close to the bone.
Seems as though they are outrageous for the sake of being outrageous... That doesn't take much bravery or wisdom in my book
No bravery should be needed because those who don't like it don't need to read it. The bravery has only been required because people have chosen violence as a reaction. That's their choice - and a very bad choice it is too.
I support their right to be offensive but I also have the right to be offended. They are making a point about western hypocrisy but...nah.
The right to be offended is not that at all. It's a demand that others should not be allowed to say something that someone else doesn't like. If we all did that, no-one would be able to say anything at all. The "offence" is a pretext; it's about power and control.0
