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''As others have said, Tories should generally lay off Corbyn - he's gently destroying himself, anyway, with the assistance of the media that he hates.''

I think the strategy is to target and utterly discredit moderates.

Do you agree with unlimited benefits now Yvette? having supported a 23 grand cap? How does that work then...??

watford30 said:

JEO said:

AnneJGP said:

SouthamObserver said:

Not singing the national anthem is not disrespectful of anything. Being disrespectful would be not standing, or looking down or talking through it etc. God knows I am not JC's greatest fan, but not even I would criticise him for failing to make a fool of himself by singing a song whose words he does not believe in.

But not doing his tie up, wearing a shirt that is a couple of sizes too big and not wearing a suit is a sin. He stood for election to an office of state and that comes with ceremonial responsibilities that he knew full well about. What's more, he is representing nine million plus Labour voters, if nothing else he should make an effort not to embarrass them.

It is just conceivable that as yet he simply doesn't have the wardrobe. He's 66 & has presumably never needed such clothing before, and he has been a bit busy since being elected.

He's never needed to buy a shirt that fits him before? For goodness sake, he only needs a standard suit and shirt that fit, not a morning suit.

You'd hope that an MP of all people, would have both the means, and the nous to buy a reasonable suit.

Suits? Suits are bourgeois right-wing Tory apparel!

Pauly said:

Just incase anyone missed it. From BBC News:

Lord Falconer made it clear that he would not stay in the shadow cabinet if the Labour leadership decided to campaign to leave the EU. This is what he said:
"If the Labour Party adopts a position which says we might leave the EU and might argue against it then of course my position would become impossible at that point. But that's not the current position."

So risk of a resignation from there only adds to Corbyn's many worries.

I think it must be just about certain that Hilary Benn would also resign in that situation.

watford30 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR So "Sour faced".."Old" given that she is in her 80s..how observant you are "Scowling" if these are not meant to be rude I wonder what you think is rude.Has the midge season been bad this year.. it seems to have affected the thought processes of the Scots contingent on PB

She has a permanent scowl in public and shows a clear disdain at having to slum it with commoners. She clearly despises the people she is forced to interact with.

Why do you keep repeating the same comments about Sturgeon?

Actually Ms Sturgeon seemed quite happy to sing the praises of HM last week, and to join her on that fabulous train for a chat. Not all Nats are as bad mannered as Dair or Jezza.

(Interesting that some light railway trolling took place: the engine was "the UNION of South Africa).

TGOHF said:

malcolmg said:

Scott_P said:

oxfordsimon said:

That is no different to a republican not joining in with a song that exists to worship monarchy

Absolutely. Republican Party leaders should take a principled stance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA17CsRffXI

You really are worse than Billy Liar , you are compulsive and a total prat.

Lying by posting video evidence ? Interesting - sounds like a river in Egypt.

You are as dense as him, she has never ever said she was a Republican , and has never ever before refused to sing the anthem. I know you loyalists like to think that everybody in the SNP is a republican but it is a fantasy like most of your posts.

For a stirring anthem, how about "Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau". Sung in chorus.

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

malcolmg said:

Scott_P said:

oxfordsimon said:

That is no different to a republican not joining in with a song that exists to worship monarchy

Absolutely. Republican Party leaders should take a principled stance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA17CsRffXI

You really are worse than Billy Liar , you are compulsive and a total prat.

Lying by posting video evidence ? Interesting - sounds like a river in Egypt.

You are as dense as him, she has never ever said she was a Republican , and has never ever before refused to sing the anthem. I know you loyalists like to think that everybody in the SNP is a republican but it is a fantasy like most of your posts.

Nicola is a loyalist, so we know that not everyone in the SNP is a republican.

SouthamObserver said:

AnneJGP said:

SouthamObserver said:

Not singing the national anthem is not disrespectful of anything. Being disrespectful would be not standing, or looking down or talking through it etc. God knows I am not JC's greatest fan, but not even I would criticise him for failing to make a fool of himself by singing a song whose words he does not believe in.

But not doing his tie up, wearing a shirt that is a couple of sizes too big and not wearing a suit is a sin. He stood for election to an office of state and that comes with ceremonial responsibilities that he knew full well about. What's more, he is representing nine million plus Labour voters, if nothing else he should make an effort not to embarrass them.

It is just conceivable that as yet he simply doesn't have the wardrobe. He's 66 & has presumably never needed such clothing before, and he has been a bit busy since being elected.

No, I don't buy that at all. He didn't need to go to Saville Row, five minutes in M&S would have done the job. Or someone could have gone for him. He must know his size and a few could have been purchased and the ones not used returned. Looking like a dick at a national event when you are representing your party and its millions of voters is inexcusable. JC may think it is all stuff and nonsense, but many others do not. It would have cost him nothing more than the price of the shirt and suit, and would have compromised no principles.

He could have buttoned up the shirt he did have and tied his tie properly (or get an aide to do it for him).

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

If David Blunkett could turn up smartly dressed at official occasions, then Jezza really doesn't have an excuse.

Dair said:

Scott_P said:

Dair said:

As for the song, it;'s a disgraceful dirge, woeful on every level and the lyrics, filled with the idea of kowtowing to some inbred, sour faced old crone are disgusting.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA17CsRffXI

Doesn't matter who sings it. Anyone who does demeans themselves and shows an complete lack of self-respect.

Scott is obsessed with hatred for the SNP, he would be whining if they offered him a million pounds free with no strings.

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

You seem very upset. Were you turned down for an invitation to a garden party once or something?

If TUC vote for EU leave campaign then Corbyn giving a free vote is the best he could hope for. I pray for his sake that that is enough for Watson, Benn and Falconer...

''Cam should definitely mention Steptoe's "unlimited benefits" policy tomorrow - its like kryponite to voters.''

Not to mention labour MPs.

SouthamObserver said:

AnneJGP said:

SouthamObserver said:

Not singing the national anthem is not disrespectful of anything. Being disrespectful would be not standing, or looking down or talking through it etc. God knows I am not JC's greatest fan, but not even I would criticise him for failing to make a fool of himself by singing a song whose words he does not believe in.

But not doing his tie up, wearing a shirt that is a couple of sizes too big and not wearing a suit is a sin. He stood for election to an office of state and that comes with ceremonial responsibilities that he knew full well about. What's more, he is representing nine million plus Labour voters, if nothing else he should make an effort not to embarrass them.

It is just conceivable that as yet he simply doesn't have the wardrobe. He's 66 & has presumably never needed such clothing before, and he has been a bit busy since being elected.

No, I don't buy that at all. He didn't need to go to Saville Row, five minutes in M&S would have done the job. Or someone could have gone for him. He must know his size and a few could have been purchased and the ones not used returned. Looking like a dick at a national event when you are representing your party and its millions of voters is inexcusable. JC may think it is all stuff and nonsense, but many others do not. It would have cost him nothing more than the price of the shirt and suit, and would have compromised no principles.

Actually I do agree.

If he does have ambitions to become PM it will be important for him to create an image that people can 'see' fitting in alongside other world leaders. Unfortunately the longer he leaves it, the more odd it will seem if/when he finally does get a makeover.

Lennon said:

TOPPING said:

SeanT said:

As others have said, Tories should generally lay off Corbyn - he's gently destroying himself, anyway, with the assistance of the media that he hates.

The target to aim for is McDonnell - he's even further left, he's Corbyn's best mate, he wants to "bring down capitalism", and he's the fecking Shadow Chancellor. And virtually everyone in the PLP despises McDonnell, whereas they merely dislike or resent Corbyn.

They should not lay off him. The danger is that he comes to be seen as a likeable old cove.

The Cons need to forensically dissect him, his policies and his friends. Especially his friends.

I would very much like it if tomorrow it became LotO's Questions instead of the PM's and if Cam and his team has anything about it, they will turn Jezza's questions, such as they are (a mail has gone out to Lab members to ask for suggestions) back into a question to Jezza.

They will want to be careful with that - Bercow has stamped down on it in the past, and will have no issue doing it again - 'I remind the Prime Minister that it is his job to answer the questions put to him - however much he may wish it otherwise...' etc. etc.

You don't need to ask questions; you merely need to make reference to what Corbyn has said / done/ supported / associated with in an answer. If he chooses to take the bait, that's his call: "unlike the leader of the opposition, this government will implement X for the good of the country", "the leader of the opposition might support Y; this government never will" etc etc.

SeanT said:

TOPPING said:

SeanT said:

As others have said, Tories should generally lay off Corbyn - he's gently destroying himself, anyway, with the assistance of the media that he hates.

The target to aim for is McDonnell - he's even further left, he's Corbyn's best mate, he wants to "bring down capitalism", and he's the fecking Shadow Chancellor. And virtually everyone in the PLP despises McDonnell, whereas they merely dislike or resent Corbyn.

They should not lay off him. The danger is that he comes to be seen as a likeable old cove.

The Cons need to forensically dissect him, his policies and his friends. Especially his friends.

I would very much like it if tomorrow it became LotO's Questions instead of the PM's and if Cam and his team has anything about it, they will turn Jezza's questions, such as they are (a mail has gone out to Lab members to ask for suggestions) back into a question to Jezza.

What I mean is they shouldn't do angry personal attacks in parliament. Leave the "You didn't sing the National Anthem, you appalling old tramp" stuff to the tabloids.

Of course they should dissect his hideous past and opinions for all to see - but do it calmly and politely. Much better than frothing.

yes agree. But I wonder if Cam will do that thing he does when he (apparently) feels angry at something and the passion comes out.

Frankly you don't have to have a cross of St. George flying from the aerial of your white van to get pretty angry at some of the anti-UK things Jezza has said.

We shall see..

Philip_Thompson said:

MikeL said:

Wonder what Corbyn (and for that matter everyone else) thinks of this:

"At least half of all UK banknotes in circulation are held overseas or used in the black market, a Bank of England report suggests.

The Bank, which is the main issuer of banknotes in the UK, said only about a quarter of cash in circulation is being used to buy and sell things.

Some is being hoarded, outside of bank accounts.

Much is held for travel money overseas or used illegally in the "shadow economy", the Bank said."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34257278

Pretty meaningless IMO. Cash is obsolete now. I'd estimate 99% of my financial dealings I personally do with plastic or online, in fact the only time I personally use cash is to put into the pot for my weekly poker game and to buy a pint. Even for the pint I could use plastic.

In an ideal world for me cash would be withdrawn and all dealings would be electronic. Would be the best way of eliminating the shadow economy.

Getting rid of cash would be sticking two fingers up at a lot of the elderly, the poor, and those living in remote locations. Also it would be a mecca for those who would like to be able to track every aspect of a person's life.

AndyJS said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MikeL said:

Wonder what Corbyn (and for that matter everyone else) thinks of this:

"At least half of all UK banknotes in circulation are held overseas or used in the black market, a Bank of England report suggests.

The Bank, which is the main issuer of banknotes in the UK, said only about a quarter of cash in circulation is being used to buy and sell things.

Some is being hoarded, outside of bank accounts.

Much is held for travel money overseas or used illegally in the "shadow economy", the Bank said."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34257278

Pretty meaningless IMO. Cash is obsolete now. I'd estimate 99% of my financial dealings I personally do with plastic or online, in fact the only time I personally use cash is to put into the pot for my weekly poker game and to buy a pint. Even for the pint I could use plastic.

In an ideal world for me cash would be withdrawn and all dealings would be electronic. Would be the best way of eliminating the shadow economy.

Getting rid of cash would be sticking two fingers up at a lot of the elderly, the poor, and those living in remote locations.

Not really. People said the same about getting rid of cheque books.

It is a long-term trend not an overnight development. There is no reason why the poor or the elderly etc can't use debit cards. The rise of contactless as a cash-equivalent has been a good development.

If cash disappears it is criminals who will have the most to lose, not the poor or elderly.

AndyJS said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MikeL said:

Wonder what Corbyn (and for that matter everyone else) thinks of this:

"At least half of all UK banknotes in circulation are held overseas or used in the black market, a Bank of England report suggests.

The Bank, which is the main issuer of banknotes in the UK, said only about a quarter of cash in circulation is being used to buy and sell things.

Some is being hoarded, outside of bank accounts.

Much is held for travel money overseas or used illegally in the "shadow economy", the Bank said."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34257278

Pretty meaningless IMO. Cash is obsolete now. I'd estimate 99% of my financial dealings I personally do with plastic or online, in fact the only time I personally use cash is to put into the pot for my weekly poker game and to buy a pint. Even for the pint I could use plastic.

In an ideal world for me cash would be withdrawn and all dealings would be electronic. Would be the best way of eliminating the shadow economy.

Getting rid of cash would be sticking two fingers up at a lot of the elderly, the poor, and those living in remote locations. Also it would be a mecca for those who would like to be able to track every aspect of a person's life.

On the upside, eliminating cash would likely generate a couple of hundred billion** for HMRC.

**this could even be at the low end.

Well said.

SandraM said:

If David Blunkett could turn up smartly dressed at official occasions, then Jezza really doesn't have an excuse.

SouthamObserver said:

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

malcolmg said:

Scott_P said:

oxfordsimon said:

That is no different to a republican not joining in with a song that exists to worship monarchy

Absolutely. Republican Party leaders should take a principled stance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA17CsRffXI

You really are worse than Billy Liar , you are compulsive and a total prat.

Lying by posting video evidence ? Interesting - sounds like a river in Egypt.

You are as dense as him, she has never ever said she was a Republican , and has never ever before refused to sing the anthem. I know you loyalists like to think that everybody in the SNP is a republican but it is a fantasy like most of your posts.

Nicola is a loyalist, so we know that not everyone in the SNP is a republican.

So the term loyalist is ok now? Cool.

Thank goodness you weren't one of those bleating about it.

SeanT said:

CHORTLE.

The material is endless.

https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/643778294274478080

It also gives the lie to the statement he made on 14 August - “Jeremy’s very strongly held view is there should not be any antisemitic, Islamophobic or racist slogans or banners at any demonstration, ever.”

There are plenty of photos of him at allies and demonstrations where such banners and slogans are clearly in evidence and where even he cannot have failed to miss them.

No wonder, sacked NI Minister Ivan Lewis said: "At the very least he has shown very poor judgment in expressing support for and failing to speak out against people who have engaged not in legitimate criticism of Israeli governments but in antisemitic rhetoric. It saddens me to have to say to some on the left of British politics that anti-racism means zero tolerance of antisemitism, no ifs, and no buts. I have said the same about Islamophobia and other forms of racism to a minority of my constituents who make unacceptable statements.”

david_herdson said:

Philip_Thompson said:

blackburn63 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

I've never understood why so called Republicans want to live here, you can stomp your feet all you like the monarchy isn't going anywhere.

No need to be pessimistic. That sort of defeatist attitude may have led one to believe there's no reason Conservatives should be in the country as privatisation of the utilities etc could never happen.

I want to live here as its my nation and I'm proud of it. I'm a republican not as I have any disrespect for the Queen or the country but for example as I see no reason why one day my daughter should be constitutionally incapable of ever becoming head of state.

She's not. All it would take is for parliament to pass a law to that end.

You mean pass a law to end the monarchy and make anyone capable of being head of state? That's what I believe in.

Or you mean pass a law to make my daughter the new monarch? That isn't happening and nor would I support that.

Philip_Thompson said:

blackburn63 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

I've never understood why so called Republicans want to live here, you can stomp your feet all you like the monarchy isn't going anywhere.

I'm a republican not as I have any disrespect for the Queen or the country but for example as I see no reason why one day my daughter should be constitutionally incapable of ever becoming head of state.

Your daughter might still be head of state.

The present royal family may fall as others have before them and thus the Windsor's may have to give way to the Thompson's and your daughter succeed you - King Philip II - as the new Queen.

''It shows the disconnect between the rabid, hard left, anti-austerity campaigners and Mr and Mrs Ordinary.''

I can't believe the labour moderates will tolerate four years with this giant albatross around their necks.

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

GSTQ debate :

So on one side we have Sir Sean Connery, Saint Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron

on the other

Corbo, Dair and malc..

I certainly would not be singing that awful dirge either. I leave that to loyalist knuckle draggers.

I'm sure Nicola appreciates your condescension......

CarlottaVance said:

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

GSTQ debate :

So on one side we have Sir Sean Connery, Saint Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron

on the other

Corbo, Dair and malc..

I certainly would not be singing that awful dirge either. I leave that to loyalist knuckle draggers.

I'm sure Nicola appreciates your condescension......

She can like it or lump it

Casino_Royale said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AndyJS said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MikeL said:

Wonder what Corbyn (and for that matter everyone else) thinks of this:

"At least half of all UK banknotes in circulation are held overseas or used in the black market, a Bank of England report suggests.

The Bank, which is the main issuer of banknotes in the UK, said only about a quarter of cash in circulation is being used to buy and sell things.

Some is being hoarded, outside of bank accounts.

Much is held for travel money overseas or used illegally in the "shadow economy", the Bank said."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34257278

Pretty meaningless IMO. Cash is obsolete now. I'd estimate 99% of my financial dealings I personally do with plastic or online, in fact the only time I personally use cash is to put into the pot for my weekly poker game and to buy a pint. Even for the pint I could use plastic.

In an ideal world for me cash would be withdrawn and all dealings would be electronic. Would be the best way of eliminating the shadow economy.

Getting rid of cash would be sticking two fingers up at a lot of the elderly, the poor, and those living in remote locations.

Not really. People said the same about getting rid of cheque books.

It is a long-term trend not an overnight development. There is no reason why the poor or the elderly etc can't use debit cards. The rise of contactless as a cash-equivalent has been a good development.

If cash disappears it is criminals who will have the most to lose, not the poor or elderly.

I think cash will always have its place, and rightly so.

You're probably right it will, hence why I said in an ideal world. We don't live in an ideal world.

But the estimate is that most fiscal transfers in the UK by value are already electronic not by cash and that is increasing all the time. Cash is for most of the time obsolete and niche.

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

GSTQ debate :

So on one side we have Sir Sean Connery, Saint Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron

on the other

Corbo, Dair and malc..

I certainly would not be singing that awful dirge either. I leave that to loyalist knuckle draggers.

I'm sure Nicola appreciates your condescension......

She can like it or lump it

Oh, you're the 1% who didn't think she was doing a good job!

They know where you live!

Just as well Police Scotland are in the state they're in......you've got three days (oh no, thats if you're in a car crash....)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235387/Scrounging-benefit-claimers-deliberately-failing-interviews-claims-care-home-boss.html

Great day to announce a limitless benefits policy..

Plato_Says said:

Jeez - he's not 4yrs old.

JonnyJimmy said:

James Grey MP(Con) on Jezza ""The fact he was there properly dressed, wearing a tie, good on him. Well done him. He is a pacifist and not a royalist but he has gone along and stood in the front row."

I think that's what they call 'damned with faint praise'!

Philip_Thompson said:

AndyJS said:

Philip_Thompson said:

MikeL said:

Wonder what Corbyn (and for that matter everyone else) thinks of this:

"At least half of all UK banknotes in circulation are held overseas or used in the black market, a Bank of England report suggests.

The Bank, which is the main issuer of banknotes in the UK, said only about a quarter of cash in circulation is being used to buy and sell things.

Some is being hoarded, outside of bank accounts.

Much is held for travel money overseas or used illegally in the "shadow economy", the Bank said."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34257278

Pretty meaningless IMO. Cash is obsolete now. I'd estimate 99% of my financial dealings I personally do with plastic or online, in fact the only time I personally use cash is to put into the pot for my weekly poker game and to buy a pint. Even for the pint I could use plastic.

In an ideal world for me cash would be withdrawn and all dealings would be electronic. Would be the best way of eliminating the shadow economy.

Getting rid of cash would be sticking two fingers up at a lot of the elderly, the poor, and those living in remote locations.

Not really. People said the same about getting rid of cheque books.

It is a long-term trend not an overnight development. There is no reason why the poor or the elderly etc can't use debit cards. The rise of contactless as a cash-equivalent has been a good development.

If cash disappears it is criminals who will have the most to lose, not the poor or elderly.

Rubbish. Criminals will have a wonderful time hacking into bank accounts. And banks will find ever more ingenious ways of blaming customers for frauds. We see it already with telephone frauds and electronic banking.

dr_spyn said:

foxinsoxuk said:

watford30 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR So "Sour faced".."Old" given that she is in her 80s..how observant you are "Scowling" if these are not meant to be rude I wonder what you think is rude.Has the midge season been bad this year.. it seems to have affected the thought processes of the Scots contingent on PB

She has a permanent scowl in public and shows a clear disdain at having to slum it with commoners. She clearly despises the people she is forced to interact with.

Why do you keep repeating the same comments about Sturgeon?

Actually Ms Sturgeon seemed quite happy to sing the praises of HM last week, and to join her on that fabulous train for a chat. Not all Nats are as bad mannered as Dair or Jezza.

(Interesting that some light railway trolling took place: the engine was "the UNION of South Africa).

46100 Royal Scot wasn't ready to take charter trains on the mainline.

Totally off-topic, but I wonder what the new route's weight limits / axle loadings are are? Have they designed it so it can take the largest steam locomotives or any future freight trains?

Dair said:

david_herdson said:

Philip_Thompson said:

blackburn63 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

I've never understood why so called Republicans want to live here, you can stomp your feet all you like the monarchy isn't going anywhere.

No need to be pessimistic. That sort of defeatist attitude may have led one to believe there's no reason Conservatives should be in the country as privatisation of the utilities etc could never happen.

I want to live here as its my nation and I'm proud of it. I'm a republican not as I have any disrespect for the Queen or the country but for example as I see no reason why one day my daughter should be constitutionally incapable of ever becoming head of state.

She's not. All it would take is for parliament to pass a law to that end.

The Law would have to receive Royal Assent.

Lizzie Windsor doesn't come across as the noble type who would willing sign away her and her descendants meal ticket just because it was the democratic will of the people.

You seem to think that being extremely rude about our head of state is a defiant way of expressing your freedom of thought and independence.

In fact, it reflects far worse on you than anyone else.

DanSmith said:

Plato_Says said:

Jeez - he's not 4yrs old.

JonnyJimmy said:

James Grey MP(Con) on Jezza ""The fact he was there properly dressed, wearing a tie, good on him. Well done him. He is a pacifist and not a royalist but he has gone along and stood in the front row."

Does show that Tory MPs do respect him.

No it shows that they are patronizing him.

Well done Jeremy, you tied your shoes using big boy bows, well done you, clever boy.

That's what it shows.

JackW said:

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

GSTQ debate :

So on one side we have Sir Sean Connery, Saint Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron

on the other

Corbo, Dair and malc..

I certainly would not be singing that awful dirge either. I leave that to loyalist knuckle draggers.

I'm sure Nicola appreciates your condescension......

She can like it or lump it

Does Nicola enjoy lumps of turnip?

I would hope so being an Ayrshire lass

CarlottaVance said:

malcolmg said:

CarlottaVance said:

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

GSTQ debate :

So on one side we have Sir Sean Connery, Saint Nicola Sturgeon and David Cameron

on the other

Corbo, Dair and malc..

I certainly would not be singing that awful dirge either. I leave that to loyalist knuckle draggers.

I'm sure Nicola appreciates your condescension......

She can like it or lump it

Oh, you're the 1% who didn't think she was doing a good job!

They know where you live!

Just as well Police Scotland are in the state they're in......you've got three days (oh no, thats if you're in a car crash....)

I better avoid doughnut shops or chippies for a bit

Poverty deniers? That's a new one.

Casino_Royale said:

Dair said:

david_herdson said:

Philip_Thompson said:

blackburn63 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

I've never understood why so called Republicans want to live here, you can stomp your feet all you like the monarchy isn't going anywhere.

No need to be pessimistic. That sort of defeatist attitude may have led one to believe there's no reason Conservatives should be in the country as privatisation of the utilities etc could never happen.

I want to live here as its my nation and I'm proud of it. I'm a republican not as I have any disrespect for the Queen or the country but for example as I see no reason why one day my daughter should be constitutionally incapable of ever becoming head of state.

She's not. All it would take is for parliament to pass a law to that end.

The Law would have to receive Royal Assent.

Lizzie Windsor doesn't come across as the noble type who would willing sign away her and her descendants meal ticket just because it was the democratic will of the people.

You seem to think that being extremely rude about our head of state is a defiant way of expressing your freedom of thought and independence.

In fact, it reflects far worse on you than anyone else.

She has done nothing to deserve respect. In fact, the way she interacts with the public engenders just the opposite - absolute disgust at the way she appears to despise the very people who fund her pampered lifestyle.

I don't recognise her as a head of state, which is a position requiring a form of electoral mandate which is not present. As such she is simply a disgraceful anachronism in urgent need of reform.

Dair said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dair said:

david_herdson said:

Philip_Thompson said:

blackburn63 said:

Dair said:

richardDodd said:

DAIR.. No I don'tdefend the Windsor Gang.. I have no feelings about any of them at all and would have a go at them if they were being prats... as you will realise.. a prat is a prat whether it be Royal or Scot..A far as Madge is concerned..I just see an 80 odd year old who looks like she would rather be at home reading a book

You're trying to imply that her disgust with the public is a new thing related to her age. It's not, it's how she has been raised, how she actually feels and her scowling has existed for her entire "career" of lumbering the public with a massive Benefits bill.

I've never understood why so called Republicans want to live here, you can stomp your feet all you like the monarchy isn't going anywhere.

No need to be pessimistic. That sort of defeatist attitude may have led one to believe there's no reason Conservatives should be in the country as privatisation of the utilities etc could never happen.

I want to live here as its my nation and I'm proud of it. I'm a republican not as I have any disrespect for the Queen or the country but for example as I see no reason why one day my daughter should be constitutionally incapable of ever becoming head of state.

She's not. All it would take is for parliament to pass a law to that end.

The Law would have to receive Royal Assent.

Lizzie Windsor doesn't come across as the noble type who would willing sign away her and her descendants meal ticket just because it was the democratic will of the people.

You seem to think that being extremely rude about our head of state is a defiant way of expressing your freedom of thought and independence.

In fact, it reflects far worse on you than anyone else.

She has done nothing to deserve respect. In fact, the way she interacts with the public engenders just the opposite - absolute disgust at the way she appears to despise the very people who fund her pampered lifestyle.

I don't recognise her as a head of state, which is a position requiring a form of electoral mandate which is not present. As such she is simply a disgraceful anachronism in urgent need of reform.

You are a dreadful tease, Dair.

JEO said:

SeanT said:

As others have said, Tories should generally lay off Corbyn - he's gently destroying himself, anyway, with the assistance of the media that he hates.

The target to aim for is McDonnell - he's even further left, he's Corbyn's best mate, he wants to "bring down capitalism", and he's the fecking Shadow Chancellor. And virtually everyone in the PLP despises McDonnell, whereas they merely dislike or resent Corbyn.

Their target should be neither. The target should be the Labour Party as a whole, especially the 60% of them that backed Corbyn. It's not like disdain for British/English patriotism, a preference for multiculturalism over British culture, or an unwillingness to call out intolerance among ethnic and religious minorities is the preserve of the far left.

I said this the other day, and I'll say it again. Which moderate Labour MPs have called for Diane Abbott to be kicked out the party? She has come out, more than once, with explicitly racist remarks. Yet all we get is stony silence.

I do sympathise with SeanT - I think he is right. However when a political party is going round with a notice stuck on their back saying kick me I'm stupid' - well it is difficult to resist.

Just heard Owen Smith on LBC in a t*rd polishing exercise for the "new" Labour shadow cabinet.... Reminded me of Hazel Blears. What are the chances Labour go backwards in Wales next year with folk like this?