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Scott_P said:

JosiasJessop said:

So you're denying that 'Scottish thugs' are not thugs? Are Scottish thugs some form of enlightened higher life form in your mind?

Depends if they voted Yes or No...

JosiasJessop said:

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

This website is interesting:

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Currently wind is generating 3% of power, nuclear 19%, gas 45%, and coal 21%

Long live the wind revolution!

The wind doesn't blow all the time, are you watching the meters to see when the wind results are low so you can post here?

Of course the wind doesn't blow all the time: that's exactly the point. As well as wind power getting high subsidies, the gas and coal station need to be ready to take the strain when the wind doesn't blow. And that costs even more: the power stations aren't kept open on the vain puffery of greenies, but on vast amounts of money from consumers.

And I had the tab open from the other day, and I just noticed it. I doubt people would be very interested in hearing about the latest developments in the roll-out of ERTMS, which is in one of my other tabs.

But just in case they are:
http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/ertms-a-reality-check/

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

?

Morris_Dancer said:

Miss Plato, quite.

Moments later he conceded that if Farage had said something dodgy 3 years ago they (the press) would be all over it, and that was a fair point.

TGOHF said:

malcolmg said:

TGOHF said:

Scott_P said:

JosiasJessop said:

So you're denying that 'Scottish thugs' are not thugs? Are Scottish thugs some form of enlightened higher life form in your mind?

Depends if they voted Yes or No...

I enjoyed Wings over Bath's delicious meltdown at being airbrushed from the Sunday Herald's 1 year anniversary of the glorious defeat. Included his analysis of polls before and after the publishing of his much discredited "little blue book" .

Nice to see you are an avid reader

Relaxing with some humorous fiction is ideal for rainy weekends malc.

watford30 said:

malcolmg said:

watford30 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Whining that a naturally inquisitive and questioning media are 'bothering him'. Extraordinary.

Strange, crazy, angry man. He'll lose it soon, and publicly. Particularly as by choosing to ignore the press, they pick away at him until he does.

You are barking , "a naturally inquisitive and questioning media" is the best parody I have ever seen on here.

Corbyn's mistake was walking.

He should follow Sturgeons lead and take a helicopter ride everywhere.

TheScreamingEagles said:

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

?

http://news.sky.com/story/1552000/labour-leader-corbyns-long-walk-of-silence

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

logical_song said:

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

This website is interesting:

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Currently wind is generating 3% of power, nuclear 19%, gas 45%, and coal 21%

Long live the wind revolution!

The wind doesn't blow all the time, are you watching the meters to see when the wind results are low so you can post here?

Of course the wind doesn't blow all the time: that's exactly the point. As well as wind power getting high subsidies, the gas and coal station need to be ready to take the strain when the wind doesn't blow. And that costs even more: the power stations aren't kept open on the vain puffery of greenies, but on vast amounts of money from consumers.

And I had the tab open from the other day, and I just noticed it. I doubt people would be very interested in hearing about the latest developments in the roll-out of ERTMS, which is in one of my other tabs.

But just in case they are:
http://www.railengineer.uk/2015/08/28/ertms-a-reality-check/

Maybe quoting average wind power contirbution would be more factual:
http://www.siemens.co.uk/en/insights/uk-wind-power.htm

Plato_Says said:

The scrolling table at the top has a running list of appts so far http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11863014/jeremy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet-live.html

SandraM said:

Has Cat Smith been offered anything yet in the Shadow Cabinet?

watford30 said:

malcolmg said:

watford30 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Whining that a naturally inquisitive and questioning media are 'bothering him'. Extraordinary.

Strange, crazy, angry man. He'll lose it soon, and publicly. Particularly as by choosing to ignore the press, they pick away at him until he does.

You are barking , "a naturally inquisitive and questioning media" is the best parody I have ever seen on here.

Corbyn's mistake was walking.

He should follow Sturgeons lead and take a helicopter ride everywhere.

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

malcolmg said:

Ha Ha Ha , game over when you are using the Mail as your evidence. Poor billionaire gets upset that a few people have placards outside his house , but JJ happy that he can sack hundreds without giving a hoot and wants to restrict the workers from having any say whatsoever.

Thugs are thugs. Even if they are union thugs or Scottish thugs.

You last bit is very telling, sore loser you resort to your bigotry. I presume you had their nationality checked out.

So you're denying that 'Scottish thugs' are not thugs? Are Scottish thugs some form of enlightened higher life form in your mind?

Or are they just lowlife scum, just like English or Welsh thugs?

I just wondered why you highlighted "Scottish Thugs" all of a sudden when it was never in the discussion. We were talking about people with placards and had never mentioned nationality. From what I saw of the "incident " a few people with placards were on the pavement and did very little so not sure that makes them "THUGS" but even so to get that to "Scottish THUGS " takes some doing even for you.

dugarbandier said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

?

http://news.sky.com/story/1552000/labour-leader-corbyns-long-walk-of-silence

I saw the walk, just can't fathom what it has to do with North Korea

watford30 said:

TGOHF said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Miss Plato, quite.

Moments later he conceded that if Farage had said something dodgy 3 years ago they (the press) would be all over it, and that was a fair point.

Cameron gets stick for decisions his parents made 30+ years ago.

Not anymore. Corbyn's parents did the same for him.

MarkHopkins said:

his response is to attempt to "eliminate" the questioners rather answer the questions.

Very authoritarian; like N Korea.

PClipp said:

Roger said:

Henry does draw attention to one very important issue facing left of centre voters. Just because Corbyn is a disaster we shouldn't lose sight of the increasing ghastliness of the Conservatives and Cameron in particular. A real case of a trojan horse.
The thing Henry hasn't got round to yet for reason's explained by Eagle is where normal left of centre voters are supposed to go. We're faced with ugly right-wingery not seen since Thatcher or the equally ugly Union led left wingery not seen since Benn.

You might like to have a look at what other parties have to offer, Roger. The Lib Dem Conference starts on Saturday - though it probably won´t have as much media coverage as it did last year.

MarkHopkins said:

dugarbandier said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

?

http://news.sky.com/story/1552000/labour-leader-corbyns-long-walk-of-silence

I saw the walk, just can't fathom what it has to do with North Korea

Corbyn has never faced real challenge to his beliefs and has therefore built-up a false ego of his own superiority.

Now, when facing legitimate questions, his response is to attempt to "eliminate" the questioners rather than answer the questions.

Very authoritarian; like N Korea.

LucyJones said:

Finally got around to watching the "walk of Silence" video. Extraordinary. It is reminiscent of the kind of thing you see when some politician has been embroiled in a major scandal. Barely 24 hours into his new job and he can't handle the press/take the pressure? Did he never consider that becoming LOTO might involve quite a lot of that sort of thing?

Ghedebrav said:

JEO said:

isam said:

I can't help thinking the next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna or Stella Creasy...

Someone who hasn't run before
BAME or female

Creasy perhaps. Umunna has ended looking ridiculous that he's resigned over EU membership and not over printing money to fund government or ending austerity.

I don't think it'll be remembered, unless the inevitable happens before 2018. I feel he'll have a much better chance 10-15 years down the line though. You can laugh now, but by that point he'll be a party grandee/big beast. More curious were the wobbles about entering the contest at all and the slew of rumour and speculation about his personal life.

My guess is (don't laugh) Tristram Hunt for next leader.

MarkHopkins said:

dugarbandier said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

?

http://news.sky.com/story/1552000/labour-leader-corbyns-long-walk-of-silence

I saw the walk, just can't fathom what it has to do with North Korea

Corbyn has never faced real challenge to his beliefs and has therefore built-up a false ego of his own superiority.

Now, when facing legitimate questions, his response is to attempt to "eliminate" the questioners rather than answer the questions.

Very authoritarian; like N Korea.

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

dugarbandier said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

dugarbandier said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Eventually, Mr Corbyn said to a staffer: "There are people bothering me."

It's very North Korean.

?

http://news.sky.com/story/1552000/labour-leader-corbyns-long-walk-of-silence

I saw the walk, just can't fathom what it has to do with North Korea

Corbyn has never faced real challenge to his beliefs and has therefore built-up a false ego of his own superiority.

Now, when facing legitimate questions, his response is to attempt to "eliminate" the questioners rather than answer the questions.

Very authoritarian; like N Korea.

i shall await the executions and the locking up of their family members

GarethoftheVale2 said:

I can't help thinking that the big challenge for Corbyn is not going to be the past but going forward. Every political party needs people with political savvy and key skills such as:

- dealing with the media
- developing policy
- giving speeches
- managing colleagues and party members

A large number of people with this experience are walking out the door. The new team both in the shadow cabinet and in the back office is likely to have lots of inexperienced people, who will almost certainly make rookie mistakes or "gaffes"

The challenges will be how to get a new team up to speed quickly and how to deal with the people outside the tent peeing in otherwise we will see a lot of headlines along the lines of "Labour in chaos" and "Labour split on x"

Casino_Royale said:

Scott_P said:

Perhaps an unfortunate turn of phrase...

@carolewalkercw: John McDonnell vows to calm his critics. Tells me "we will kill them with kindness"

@IsabelHardman: DUP furious over McDonnell appointment - could increase Cameron’s majority http://t.co/26REmIjIwT

Cameron should strike a 24 month deal with the DUP, IMHO. He could use the votes.

William_H said:

Casino_Royale said:

Scott_P said:

Perhaps an unfortunate turn of phrase...

@carolewalkercw: John McDonnell vows to calm his critics. Tells me "we will kill them with kindness"

@IsabelHardman: DUP furious over McDonnell appointment - could increase Cameron’s majority http://t.co/26REmIjIwT

Cameron should strike a 24 month deal with the DUP, IMHO. He could use the votes.

Hard to lecture Corbyn on shady friends if he does.

Cyclefree said:

glw said:

TOPPING said:

alex. said:

Hilary Benn pointedly failing to support appointment of MCDonell

Elements of distress in his voice. He evidently realises and for some reason is shocked that his party has descended into Uni bar politics.

I can hear the nausea in his voice. He must also be aware that every word he utters helps to destroy his credibility and political career.

Hilary Benn had seemed to be a basically decent man, I'm surprised he's having anything to do with this farce.

So am I. Am also surprised by Falconer. He has a very well paid job at a US law firm. Why would he need the grief?

SandraM said:

CarlottaVance said:

watford30 said:

DearPB said:

watford30 said:

malcolmg said:

watford30 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Am just watching the Corbyn long walk to silence video.

Blimey.

Whining that a naturally inquisitive and questioning media are 'bothering him'. Extraordinary.

Strange, crazy, angry man. He'll lose it soon, and publicly. Particularly as by choosing to ignore the press, they pick away at him until he does.

You are barking , "a naturally inquisitive and questioning media" is the best parody I have ever seen on here.

Corbyn's mistake was walking.

He should follow Sturgeons lead and take a helicopter ride everywhere.

"I've had a very long day and would like to get home to bed, I'm sure you would too. I'll be happy to answer questions - contact my office and make an appointment"

One wonders if Corbyn put any thought into what the top job entailed.

Or has even had Media training?

Perhaps NPexMP can clarify whether that's something back benchers get.....?

Lord Harris, who worked with Corbyn at the London Assembly, described Corbyn as "charming but not terribly organised."

Slackbladder said:

Ghedebrav said:

JEO said:

isam said:

I can't help thinking the next Labour leader will be Chuka Umunna or Stella Creasy...

Someone who hasn't run before
BAME or female

Creasy perhaps. Umunna has ended looking ridiculous that he's resigned over EU membership and not over printing money to fund government or ending austerity.

I don't think it'll be remembered, unless the inevitable happens before 2018. I feel he'll have a much better chance 10-15 years down the line though. You can laugh now, but by that point he'll be a party grandee/big beast. More curious were the wobbles about entering the contest at all and the slew of rumour and speculation about his personal life.

My guess is (don't laugh) Tristram Hunt for next leader.

No chance given the current membership.

Like it or not, from now on, the most left wing candidate will be the winner.

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

@TheScreamingEagles

If Dave engages in so much as a smidge of bonhomie or smiles at all at any time unless it is laughing at, not with Jezza on Wednesday at midday I might resign from the Conservative Party.

No Dave has to play it nice with Corbyn on Wednesday. Has to welcome to his role.

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

@TheScreamingEagles

If Dave engages in so much as a smidge of bonhomie or smiles at all at any time unless it is laughing at, not with Jezza on Wednesday at midday I might resign from the Conservative Party.

No Dave has to play it nice with Corbyn on Wednesday. Has to welcome to his role.

I'm not sure he has to play it nice, though he does have to play it straight and civil. It would be a mistake to go for the man when it's so easily (and proper) to play the ball.

taffys said:

I wonder if that supposedly shrewd, savvy political operator Tom Watson agreed with the appointment of McDonnell as shadow chancellor.

Stroke of genius

Slackbladder said:

taffys said:

I wonder if that supposedly shrewd, savvy political operator Tom Watson agreed with the appointment of McDonnell as shadow chancellor.

Stroke of genius

For Watson to pick up the pieces when Corbyn crash and burns..sure.

McDonnell chimed in, "let's be clear, we don't believe in leaders."

I thought that was a weird thing to say for someone who ran to be Labour leader twice. Back in 2007 he failed to get enough support, and did the same again in 2010. Corbyn was considering running as his deputy. Sour grapes?

McDonnell faltered, slightly, for the first time. "We believe that leaders should be following the masses. We only ran in leadership campaigns to get our ideas across, to use it as a platform."

"One of the first things we'd have done, had we won, was transform the idea of leadership within the Labour Party."

As election day nears and a party winning a strong majority unlikely, it seems that McDonnell, Corbyn and apparently tens of Labour left-wing MPs may have the chance to challenge their leaders once more. Shouting from the back-benches and voting against your own party takes on a renewed significance when that party has a wafer-thin majority. After the 7th of May, we may be hearing a lot more from the likes of McDonnell and Corbyn.

Plato_Says said:

I can't fathom that at all - he was BFF with Tony. And didn't he *sanction* the Iraq War decision?

Cyclefree said:

glw said:

TOPPING said:

alex. said:

Hilary Benn pointedly failing to support appointment of MCDonell

Elements of distress in his voice. He evidently realises and for some reason is shocked that his party has descended into Uni bar politics.

I can hear the nausea in his voice. He must also be aware that every word he utters helps to destroy his credibility and political career.

Hilary Benn had seemed to be a basically decent man, I'm surprised he's having anything to do with this farce.

So am I. Am also surprised by Falconer. He has a very well paid job at a US law firm. Why would he need the grief?

bigjohnowls said:

BBC balance Dan Hodges and Lab list both calling Corbyn a crazy. No attempt at political balance.

JosiasJessop said:

TOPPING said:

NickPalmer said:

RobD said:

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-to-appoint-a-special-minister-for-jews/

This is a joke, right?

Yes, it's the Sun, which is as you say a joke. The job is IIRC for shadow minister of diversity and minority faiths.

Disgusting.

Why do "minority faiths" need a minister? What is it that Hindus need from a government minister? What will the policies be? Why are Christians excluded? How is this not divisive?

Nick probably like every other PB Tory on here I am trying to maintain the respect for you which you have rightly built up over the years and thoroughly deserve.

You are making it increasingly difficult to do.

Remember Ed's wizard wheeze of having a Shadow Minister for Preventing Violence Against Women and Girls, ignoring the fact that many victims of abuse are male?

It's straight out of that playbook. ISTR Nick was unfussed about that madness as well.

JosiasJessop said:

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

malcolmg said:

JosiasJessop said:

malcolmg said:

Ha Ha Ha , game over when you are using the Mail as your evidence. Poor billionaire gets upset that a few people have placards outside his house , but JJ happy that he can sack hundreds without giving a hoot and wants to restrict the workers from having any say whatsoever.

Thugs are thugs. Even if they are union thugs or Scottish thugs.

You last bit is very telling, sore loser you resort to your bigotry. I presume you had their nationality checked out.

So you're denying that 'Scottish thugs' are not thugs? Are Scottish thugs some form of enlightened higher life form in your mind?

Or are they just lowlife scum, just like English or Welsh thugs?

I just wondered why you highlighted "Scottish Thugs" all of a sudden when it was never in the discussion. We were talking about people with placards and had never mentioned nationality. From what I saw of the "incident " a few people with placards were on the pavement and did very little so not sure that makes them "THUGS" but even so to get that to "Scottish THUGS " takes some doing even for you.

Malc, you've obviously missed the many times on here that I've mentioned my love for Scotland and the Scottish people. Something that I doubt you've said about England, the English or particularly London.

And are you saying there are no such things as 'Scottish thugs' ?

JJ, I have not missed it and of course a Scottish thug is no better than any other nationality of thug. I just wonder how you got from pickets as thugs to them being Scottish thugs. Why did you bring up "Scottish", you never mentioned that in your replies to others.

You really are trying very hard to be aggrieved here. It's quite entertaining.