I'm expecting a shadow Shadow Cabinet to operate from the back benches
Trouble is, its difficult for good labour MPs to scrutinise the government when they can be discredited with a simple
'and would you agree with your own leader Jeremy Corbyn that...''
Well Tom Watson on TV yesterday publicly disagreed with his leader on defence issues and nobody made a fuss. Possibly that was because too many people were too busy pissing themselves laughing to notice, but even so having a deputy leader say he thought the leader was wrong on a major issue ought to have created a little stir.
It was highlighted on the BBC news at 10 last night.
Was it? Fair go then, I never watch television so I wouldn't know.
Nick Palmer must be regretting his support now - he'll never live this down
Depends how the next few months go I'd have thought. A chaotic start was certain, and prospects look poor from where I'm standing, but Corbyn's already surprised everyone once.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
Isn't Communities and Local Govt Questions in the Commons in about an hour? Who's going to be taking that? Just no showing to questions would be *courageous* I guess.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
Steve Richards waffling on and on and on, on DP BBC2 today adding no insight and of very limited value. Talking about the GE being years away and lots of time.... re Blairites/Progress "I think they are going to keep their heads down and say nothing". Really?
Corbyn is busily messing things up after just a couple of days. He's best left to get on with that.
"Never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake" - I forget who said it originally, probably Sun Tzu or Caesar or Napoleon.
Steve Richards waffling on and on and on, on DP BBC2 today adding no insight and of very limited value. Talking about the GE being years away and lots of time.... re Blairites/Progress "I think they are going to keep their heads down and say nothing". Really?
I've always found Steve Richards to be very well informed and astute to be honest. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
He's right. If Corbyn is going to fail spectacularly, then he has to be left to get on with it. In meantime Blairites need to go away and quietly reinvent the Third Way for the 2020s.
Given that Health went to someone with zip experience and no TV abilty- one can only assume that the number of MPs simply refusing to play is very considerable.
The Sky report is hilarious reading - talk about desperately trying to get bums on seats.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
Jim Waterson @jimwaterson Understand Tories spending £££ buying YouTube/Facebook ads for this Corbyn attack vid across UK & not just marginals
Clearly going in brutal is the name of the game.
It has to be.
Jezza is far from cuddly, far from someone that anyone sane can do business with, and deserves no quarter given. EdM I get as a human being. Jezza? Nope.
I would rejoice if Cam on Weds started with a cold-eyed insult and firmed up from there.
From a PR perspective, Corbyn has to be seen to be the first one to say something nasty. Which he will at some point. The PM then has licence to respond.
This, of course, assumes that Corbyn will indeed do PMQs this week.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
@PCollinsTimes: We are heading for previously unseen incompetence. IDS was never viable but the people around him were professional. This is something else.
I'm expecting a shadow Shadow Cabinet to operate from the back benches
Trouble is, its difficult for good labour MPs to scrutinise the government when they can be discredited with a simple
'and would you agree with your own leader Jeremy Corbyn that...''
Well Tom Watson on TV yesterday publicly disagreed with his leader on defence issues and nobody made a fuss. Possibly that was because too many people were too busy pissing themselves laughing to notice, but even so having a deputy leader say he thought the leader was wrong on a major issue ought to have created a little stir.
It was highlighted on the BBC news at 10 last night.
But that is why the 'membership' voted for Corbyn. Corbyn signed up all these £3ers to vote for him and they all want to leave Nato and want to abolish trident and want to surrender to Putin and want to abolish the army. It's Watson (who may well turn out to be vastly overrated) who is out of step with the 'Party'.
A Libertarian Rebel @A_Liberty_Rebel Livingstone drowning in his own contradictions. “The people” don’t want austerity, so they voted for the party offering some. #bbcdp
Just watched the 'Walk of Silence'. I'm still not 100% that I'm not in a Back To The Future 2 type dark alternate timeline. Has this really happened?
Scotland's left won't be Coming Back To Labour (who needs a crappier, less-proven English version of what you've already got?). There are dozens of English and Welsh swing seats - Corby, Winchester, Bolton West, Rossendale etc., you know the drill - which will remain/become Tory. Some trad Lab seats may just even go UKIP, with a decent enough candidate and barring implosions.
That's before even going into the boundary changes which will reduce the remaining inner-city Labour strongholds still further. And the off-putting fact that a Labour government would necessarily be at least in some kind of arrangement with the SNP bloc.
But hey, they're won back the Green vote, so that's fine.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
What's the rush. I think Wales will do ok without a shadow for a few more hours.
Corbyn's quite fortunate that Ian Murray's staying on as Shadow Scottish Secretary. Had he gone, Labour would be reduced to shadowing Mundell with (presumably) a Scot representing an English seat - though I don't know how many of those there are.
Steve Richards waffling on and on and on, on DP BBC2 today adding no insight and of very limited value. Talking about the GE being years away and lots of time.... re Blairites/Progress "I think they are going to keep their heads down and say nothing". Really?
I've always found Steve Richards to be very well informed and astute to be honest. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
He's right. If Corbyn is going to fail spectacularly, then he has to be left to get on with it. In meantime Blairites need to go away and quietly reinvent the Third Way for the 2020s.
Trouble is, Corbyn may fail so spectacularly that there might not be a party left the the "Blairites" to take back in the 2020's.
You think a leader promising not to get involved with wars will go down badly with the British Armed forces after the last 15 years or so?
Absolutely.
Quite, and to think otherwise is to totally misunderstand the people in our armed forces.
'Promising not to get involved with wars' (which to my knowledge Corbyn hasn't done) is one thing. Being considerably more circumspect about sending our troops into whatever flea pit the US has decided to destabilise this month is quite another. The former would be to considerably reduce the role and capability of the armed services on a long term basis, and naturally armed service personnel would be very much against this. I can only imagine the latter would be privately welcomed, though the admirable loyalty of our armed service personnal would preclude comment.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
The Corbyn meltdown is so just predictable ; he never intended to be leader and was never remotely qualified but he got caught up by the messianic gullibility of the Leftist voters ; now he must pay the price ...public humiliation and forced resignation ...Furthermore , I suspect it going to come much sooner than any of us ever imagined
Does it matter? The damage to labour is done and the crackpot lefty genie is out of the bottle. I think however you may be wrong. The New Socialist Labour membership will keep Corbyn in power. I can however foresee civil war within this party in the meantime.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
I rather suspect that some would. Paging Sunil ...
So if we get one in five once passports are given out, we'll get about 200,000 extra on top of the 300,000 net migration we already get.
Various comments have I think already pointed out it takes 8 years to get German citizenship.
Yes, I know. It'll be eight years for the Germans and four years for the Swedes.
I think I'm able to see eight years ahead; it's a shame others can't. Germany has behaved disgracefully. That's assuming people use legal means to move to their country of choice, which is not guaranteed.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
There's some complex maths in working out the solar energy feed in tariffs.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
There's some complex maths in working out the solar energy feed in tariffs.
I'm pretty sure there's a spreadsheet the civil service can give you that does it for you...
Jim Waterson @jimwaterson Understand Tories spending £££ buying YouTube/Facebook ads for this Corbyn attack vid across UK & not just marginals
Clearly going in brutal is the name of the game.
It has to be.
Jezza is far from cuddly, far from someone that anyone sane can do business with, and deserves no quarter given. EdM I get as a human being. Jezza? Nope.
I would rejoice if Cam on Weds started with a cold-eyed insult and firmed up from there.
EdM is looking like Nelson effing Mandela in comparison.
And he's an absolute gift in terms of bite-sized bonkersness (a lot which, to be fair, will be taken massively out of context) that could've been designed for a well-orchestrated social media campaign.
And the thing is - previously, the right-wing press always had to keep bits and bobs of dirt in reserve for deployment at the right moment. Now they can go hog wild, there's a bottomless pit of material for attack ads here.
If it comes to an election, Labour will be outgunned cash-wise. And the tiresome Twitter Jezbollah will actively put people off. What a disaster.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
What's the rush. I think Wales will do ok without a shadow for a few more hours.
As Lennon has pointed out there is 'Communities & Local Govt' Qs in the HoC in a couple of hours....not that long to master a brief......
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
Says it all about Labour's view of education - that it's just about childcare.
Given that Health went to someone with zip experience and no TV abilty- one can only assume that the number of MPs simply refusing to play is very considerable.
The Sky report is hilarious reading - talk about desperately trying to get bums on seats.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
Sky are smarting because Corbyn is ignoring them. It's war vs their paymaster Murdoch.
Some of you should take a step back and watch and listen. This is a massive political event. No, it's not the end of Labour. It's a huge battle underway. I don't actually think Corbyn will win it, but he's re-setting the political agenda. One example: would Cameron be in Lebanon today were it not for Corbyn? No.
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
There's some complex maths in working out the solar energy feed in tariffs.
Lucy does have a Chemistry degree from Oxford.
Lucy -- if she had accepted -- would have been the first politician with a science degree to run DECC.
(I would have thought a science degree should be a prerequisite for DECC).
Toby Young @toadmeister Lucy Powell turned down DECC, saying "she wanted something to do with childcare”. So made Shadow Education Secretary bit.ly/1NrobQN
How can women expect to be taken seriously in politics when they come out with stuff like this? Do men ask to be transport minister "because they like trains"?
Apparently Hilary Benn spent a month backpacking round South America, and also is really good at accents.
@Floater Just seen that DT headline - what a corker.
On Trickett
Jon Trickett, Labour’s shadow minister without portfolio and deputy party chair, is expected to be named shadow communities secretary and given a role looking at constitutional reform, reports Ben Riley-Smith.
However the Hemsworth MP is still yet to be unofficially named – with less than two hours to go before whoever takes the communities role needs to answer questions in Parliament.
He has been giving advice to Mr Corbyn’s team throughout the campaign.
Given that Health went to someone with zip experience and no TV abilty- one can only assume that the number of MPs simply refusing to play is very considerable.
The Sky report is hilarious reading - talk about desperately trying to get bums on seats.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
One example: would Cameron be in Lebanon today were it not for Corbyn? No.
Sure. Cameron decided to visit Lebanon on Monday after mid-day on Saturday.....no security prep to worry about there......
Given that Health went to someone with zip experience and no TV abilty- one can only assume that the number of MPs simply refusing to play is very considerable.
The Sky report is hilarious reading - talk about desperately trying to get bums on seats.
Shadow Defence Secretary ? Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary ? Shadow Energy Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment ? Shadow Communities Secretary ? Shadow Culture Secretary ? Shadow Secretary of State for Transport ? Shadow Secretary of State for Wales ?
Sky are smarting because Corbyn is ignoring them. It's war vs their paymaster Murdoch.
Is that why he's ignoring Channel 4's Michael Crick too?
Estobar.. Do you think the PM just orders up a jet to take him to the Lebanon in order to score some political point over what has turned out to be a total cretin.. You obviously have no idea about the security effort involved and the planning ahead for such a trip..Stick to waving your little red banner... much easier
wow Suddenly NNXMPX2 has woken up now he doesn't care for the system that worked so well for his buddies Tone and Gordy ... who,d a thunk it
I've always supported PR, since I think that FPTP delivering governments on 35-40% of the vote is a recipe for permanent trouble. But my point was that it's hypocritical for a government elected on less than 40% of the vote, allowing them to send us to war or do pretty much anything else it likes, to play the "unrepresentative" card against people who want to take industrial action for a couple of days on the same basis.
The point you are missing is that you are not comparing different types of representation. Someone who strikes is breaching their contract. Anyone who breaches a contract is normally liable for damages. That is the law which applies to all. We accept that people should have a right to strike but it is important to have clear rules which ensure that this right to strike - to break one's contract, one's legally binding promise - should be entered into after a fair ballot of the majority because harm is being caused to the employer and others and they are not able to recover damages, unlike other parties to a contract where the other party breaches it.
I am affected when the tube workers go on on strike. I don't get a vote. I don't get compensation for the time and money spent. I don't get back the time I was not able to have with my family.
Unions forget that others are affected and that those others are often much worse off than the strikers or less able to mitigate the damage suffered.
Unions are not on a par with national government though some of the union leaders seem to think they should be.
Sound response. Unfortunately you are dealing with someone who is clearly one skittle short of a juggling act.
Has the shadow minister for Jews, Muslims and other assorted non-Christians been announced yet?
Err, hello. The biggest minority faith in Britain is Catholicism. We're not going to be lumped in with CoE types, thank you very much. We want - DEMAND - our own Minister to make sure that our particular views on transubstantiation, original sin, the Nicene creed and the price of fish are properly taken into account in government policy. Plus we want a special law saying that we mustn't be offended and a special monitoring team to make sure that rude things said about us are recorded and people told off for being Catholicophobic.
Oh and the price of incense should be lowered and we need to have lots of money given to us for all the babies we have. Lots of money. Lots and lots. Because if you don't you are being "authoritarian" (copyright: H Manson, the Labour Party (currently in receivership)).
A sure sign of how degenerate our political classes have become, that they would stoop to such low behaviours. I love it. Corbyn's Abba tribute act suggestion, shows he is the right man for the country, no question. I'm not sure which country...
I'll give you a clue then - its north of the 38th Parallel.
Estobar.. Do you think the PM just orders up a jet to take him to the Lebanon in order to score some political point over what has turned out to be a total cretin.. You obviously have no idea about the security effort involved and the planning ahead for such a trip..Stick to waving your little red banner... much easier
Don't forget the clenched fist and do keep reminding him to wash that Che T-shirt every now and again.
A detainee at Guantanamo Bay has an online dating profile and is "detained but ready to mingle", according to his lawyer.
Muhammad Rahim al-Afghani, an Afghan who has been held by the CIA since 2007 and is classified as a "high-value" detainee, appears to have an account on the dating site Match.com. In a letter to Carlos Warner, his lawyer, the man described by the US government as a "close associate" of Osama bin Laden also expresses concern over the hack of adultery website Ashley Madison.
"This is terrible news about Ashley Madison, please remove my profile immediately!!!" al-Afghani wrote in a letter dated 21 July. "I'll stick with Match.com even though you say it is for old people. There is no way I can do Tinder in here."
Wasn't match.com one of the principle means of communication in organizing the uprising in Libya? Why on earth are detainees given access to the internet, if this is not indeed a joke article?
Not one of their usual good efforts. Rather relies on taking the words absolutely literally, when one can accept the man is electable in a constituency or party sense, but still think, right or wrong, that he is unelectable to the wider public. Perfectly straightforward and understandable, not the sort of inadvertent but real hypocrisy or idiocy they normally point out.
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He's right. If Corbyn is going to fail spectacularly, then he has to be left to get on with it. In meantime Blairites need to go away and quietly reinvent the Third Way for the 2020s.
Oh..wait.
The Sky report is hilarious reading - talk about desperately trying to get bums on seats.
This, of course, assumes that Corbyn will indeed do PMQs this week.
EDIT: Unless he's as smart as I expect and he refuses.
Livingstone drowning in his own contradictions. “The people” don’t want austerity, so they voted for the party offering some. #bbcdp
Scotland's left won't be Coming Back To Labour (who needs a crappier, less-proven English version of what you've already got?). There are dozens of English and Welsh swing seats - Corby, Winchester, Bolton West, Rossendale etc., you know the drill - which will remain/become Tory. Some trad Lab seats may just even go UKIP, with a decent enough candidate and barring implosions.
That's before even going into the boundary changes which will reduce the remaining inner-city Labour strongholds still further. And the off-putting fact that a Labour government would necessarily be at least in some kind of arrangement with the SNP bloc.
But hey, they're won back the Green vote, so that's fine.
The most obdurate Yorkshireman ever. And that is saying something.
It's bizarre.
I think however you may be wrong. The New Socialist Labour membership will keep Corbyn in power. I can however foresee civil war within this party in the meantime.
I only ask as so far it looks like an episode of Veep.
Wonder whether he will accept....
That, incidentally, is far more deadly to electoral chances than any policy position.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/man-who-just-got-elected-definitely-unelectable-20150914101940
And he's an absolute gift in terms of bite-sized bonkersness (a lot which, to be fair, will be taken massively out of context) that could've been designed for a well-orchestrated social media campaign.
And the thing is - previously, the right-wing press always had to keep bits and bobs of dirt in reserve for deployment at the right moment. Now they can go hog wild, there's a bottomless pit of material for attack ads here.
If it comes to an election, Labour will be outgunned cash-wise. And the tiresome Twitter Jezbollah will actively put people off. What a disaster.
(And - to be clear - I quite like Jeremy Corbyn!)
Has the Shadow Minister for Silly Walks been announced yet?
Some of you should take a step back and watch and listen. This is a massive political event. No, it's not the end of Labour. It's a huge battle underway. I don't actually think Corbyn will win it, but he's re-setting the political agenda. One example: would Cameron be in Lebanon today were it not for Corbyn? No.
Lucy -- if she had accepted -- would have been the first politician with a science degree to run DECC.
(I would have thought a science degree should be a prerequisite for DECC).
On Trickett
Jon Trickett, Labour’s shadow minister without portfolio and deputy party chair, is expected to be named shadow communities secretary and given a role looking at constitutional reform, reports Ben Riley-Smith.
However the Hemsworth MP is still yet to be unofficially named – with less than two hours to go before whoever takes the communities role needs to answer questions in Parliament.
He has been giving advice to Mr Corbyn’s team throughout the campaign.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but on balance I am relieved to be spared her pontifications.
Oh and the price of incense should be lowered and we need to have lots of money given to us for all the babies we have. Lots of money. Lots and lots. Because if you don't you are being "authoritarian" (copyright: H Manson, the Labour Party (currently in receivership)).
https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/643222952499113984