politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Just one by-election tonight – a Labour defence in Wales
Comments
-
I don't think the Kentucky clerk situation is going anywhere. Davis is a government employee and therefore her sole purpose is to function as part of the government. If Davis was making a conscience based protest as a private business she'd have a point I would agree with. However as she takes the government shilling I agree with Fiorina on this:TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic looks like the GOP have a new cause célèbre in Kim Davis for their culture wars.
"I think in this particular case, this woman now needs to make a decision of conscience. Is she prepared to continue to work for the government, be paid by the government, in which case she needs to execute the government’s will, or does she feel so strongly about this that she wants to sever her employment with the government and go seek employment elsewhere where her religious liberties will be paramount over her duties as a government employee.”0 -
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significantNickPalmer said:Huge Corbyn win on the debate according to the Sky News poll, though note that it's simply 8000 viewers who signed up, not a random sample:
http://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/uk-news/corbyn-came-out-top-in-debate-says-sky-poll/
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.0 -
But the Labour Party electorate is self-selected. That's the whole problem!HYUFD said:
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significantNickPalmer said:Huge Corbyn win on the debate according to the Sky News poll, though note that it's simply 8000 viewers who signed up, not a random sample:
http://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/uk-news/corbyn-came-out-top-in-debate-says-sky-poll/
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.0 -
HYUFD said:
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significantNickPalmer said:Huge Corbyn win on the debate according to the Sky News poll, though note that it's simply 8000 viewers who signed up, not a random sample:
http://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/uk-news/corbyn-came-out-top-in-debate-says-sky-poll/
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
I think we should call them Mini Coopers.
0 -
-
If needs be, sanitation is free isn't it?Philip_Thompson said:
You can pick them up even cheaper than that in the third world. I believe more Indians have a smartphone than a flushable toilet. Its cheaper to get a smartphone than it is to get sanitation.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they don't. You can pick up a cheap smartphone SIM free for £30Plato said:To be fair, it's an understandable POV. Smartphones cost £300+ without contracts. If they're status symbols like trainers - that's just spending decisions which may seem very odd to many here.
saddened said:
You. Don't. Need. Cash. To. Run. Them. You moron, that is the point. If you thought for one moment rather than letting your, all to obvious, prejudices overrule your faculties, you would understand.MikeK said:saddened said:
» show previous quotes
Don't be embarrassed you can admit, that not for the first time, you made yourself look like a complete dick. You didn't think about what you posted you just thought it was a good dig at those foreigners. You pathetic individual.
--------------------------------------------
All I said that with their smartphones and cash to run them, shows that these so called migrants are not refugees. You may love them, Saddened, so take them to your bosom or better still your house, and see how much you'll love then then. Stop acting like a spoilt child.0 -
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK0
-
To be fair she's a bit better than "mid-rate".JEO said:
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.Sean_F said:
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.MarkHopkins said:Casino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.0 -
"Is this your coat, sir? Your taxi is waiting outside."MarkHopkins said:HYUFD said:
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significantNickPalmer said:Huge Corbyn win on the debate according to the Sky News poll, though note that it's simply 8000 viewers who signed up, not a random sample:
http://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/uk-news/corbyn-came-out-top-in-debate-says-sky-poll/
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
I think we should call them Mini Coopers.0 -
Bloody hell I'm in full agreement with the Sun !Plato said:0 -
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
An interesting evening in prospect - the Falcons have their last pre-season game this evening, and Georgia Tech have their first regular season game. The forecast is for severe thunderstorms, so traffic will be a mess.
A busy sports night - there are 16 exhibition NFL games this evening, and 19 college football games as their season starts.0 -
She's never stood out for me.alex. said:
To be fair she's a bit better than "mid-rate".JEO said:
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.Sean_F said:
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.MarkHopkins said:Casino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.0 -
Why do we have a 'moral obligation'?HYUFD said:I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences and pick up a few votes, whilst many go without at home.0 -
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 2h2 hours ago
SkyNews shows who won the "debate" tonight as Corbyn 84% Kendall 8% Burnham 5% Cooper 3%0 -
Maitlis and Thompson probably sup pinot grigio in the same Islington wine bar together.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
"moral obligation" translates in politics-speak as 'my morals and values are purer and superior to yours'watford30 said:
Why do we have a 'moral obligation'?HYUFD said:I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences, whilst many go without at home.0 -
Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care'
https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb0 -
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
Actually her view is worth demonstrably less than that.welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
The Man on the Clapham Omnibus is an important and very real legal concept. He is a reasonably educated, intelligent and nondescript person, against whom somebody's conduct, actions and views can be measured.
Mrs Thompson doesn't actually pass muster as a fair-minded and informed observer.0 -
@EmmetMcAlinden appears to be a very disturbed and unpleasant individual.HYUFD said:Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care'
https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb0 -
KatieH does at least get straight to the pointGeoffM said:
@EmmetMcAlinden appears to be a very disturbed and unpleasant individual.HYUFD said:Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care'
https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb0 -
Yes, but at least yougov can pick from the actual electoratealex. said:
But the Labour Party electorate is self-selected. That's the whole problem!HYUFD said:
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significantNickPalmer said:Huge Corbyn win on the debate according to the Sky News poll, though note that it's simply 8000 viewers who signed up, not a random sample:
http://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/uk-news/corbyn-came-out-top-in-debate-says-sky-poll/
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.0 -
I don't own one. Is this seriously detrimental to my life expectancy?Philip_Thompson said:
Smartphones so no such thing. They fit in your pocket. If some disaster struck the UK and I needed to flee with my family for our lives with only whatever we could carry on our backs then one thing I'd definitely take with is my phone.
Wouldn't you? Would you leave your phone at home?0 -
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
0 -
Speaking for the UK as a whole on this one I presume, a unionist when it suits it seemsGeoffM said:
Does Mrs Sturgeon define who she is including within this "we"?HYUFD said:I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
0 -
Katie Hopkins is a thoroughly unpleasant individual. She gives the right wing a bad name, makes the country a more divisive ugly place, and purely so she can rake in the money through generating outrage. It is incredible levels of selfishness to put her own career before the conservative movement or the country. We could take in one more Syrian refugee if we sent her in the other direction.0
-
Indeed, it would be far better to solve the problem at sourcewatford30 said:
Why do we have a 'moral obligation'?HYUFD said:I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences and pick up a few votes, whilst many go without at home.0 -
Mini Coopers and Burnham minorsMarkHopkins said:HYUFD said:
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significantNickPalmer said:Huge Corbyn win on the debate according to the Sky News poll, though note that it's simply 8000 viewers who signed up, not a random sample:
http://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/uk-news/corbyn-came-out-top-in-debate-says-sky-poll/
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
I think we should call them Mini Coopers.0 -
How have I survived this long?Philip_Thompson said:
No they don't cost over £300 that's just totally untrue. Nor are they status symbols, in the 21st century they're regarded as an essential like electricity, water or gas.0 -
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.RodCrosby said:
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
Agree.JEO said:Katie Hopkins is a thoroughly unpleasant individual. She gives the right wing a bad name, makes the country a more divisive ugly place, and purely so she can rake in the money through generating outrage. It is incredible levels of selfishness to put her own career before the conservative movement or the country. We could take in one more Syrian refugee if we sent her in the other direction.
0 -
Well she certainly knows how to get the cash in, she was paid £400,000 to appear on CBBJEO said:Katie Hopkins is a thoroughly unpleasant individual. She gives the right wing a bad name, makes the country a more divisive ugly place, and purely so she can rake in the money through generating outrage. It is incredible levels of selfishness to put her own career before the conservative movement or the country. We could take in one more Syrian refugee if we sent her in the other direction.
0 -
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.RodCrosby said:
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-34450720 -
This explains why Andy Burnham is now third favourite with the bookies
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election0 -
May I just mention,a very good prison film starting on the horror channel in a moment
Bare behind bars ;-)0 -
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
0 -
I take it you've not misspelled an interesting documentary about ursine mammals in the drinks trade?Tykejohnno said:May I just mention,a very good prison film starting on the horror channel in a moment
Bare behind bars ;-)0 -
alex. said:
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?Pulpstar said:
Bloody hell I'm in full agreement with the Sun !Plato said:twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/639543644366733312
0 -
EddieI did break his duck in indyref thoughTheScreamingEagles said:This explains why Andy Burnham is now third favourite with the bookies
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election0 -
"a bit better than mid rate actress"alex. said:
To be fair she's a bit better than "mid-rate".JEO said:
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.Sean_F said:
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.MarkHopkins said:Casino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.0 -
Missed the debate, was Corbyn really that good in comparison to the others?bigjohnowls said:Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 2h2 hours ago
SkyNews shows who won the "debate" tonight as Corbyn 84% Kendall 8% Burnham 5% Cooper 3%0 -
Just stop paying the propaganda tax. They can't jail us all, and the circumstances in which you might be jailed are vanishingly small, in any case.welshowl said:
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.RodCrosby said:
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...
0 -
They and the BBC arse lick each other don't they? Have done on a regular basis for yurrs, as some of the posher BBCers would say.welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
0 -
I think she's stood out for loads. I leave you to decide whether missing out was lucky or unluckyJEO said:
She's never stood out for me.alex. said:
To be fair she's a bit better than "mid-rate".JEO said:
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.Sean_F said:
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.MarkHopkins said:Casino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.0 -
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
0 -
Her comment was made months ago.HYUFD said:
KatieH does at least get straight to the pointGeoffM said:
@EmmetMcAlinden appears to be a very disturbed and unpleasant individual.HYUFD said:Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care'
https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb
0 -
Pinot Grigio's a bit vulgar isn't it. I'm guessing, I've seen it in ASDA.Casino_Royale said:
Maitlis and Thompson probably sup pinot grigio in the same Islington wine bar together.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
YBarddCwsc said:
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
0 -
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the groundglw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
0 -
Isn't she a miss?GeoffM said:
Actually her view is worth demonstrably less than that.welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
The Man on the Clapham Omnibus is an important and very real legal concept. He is a reasonably educated, intelligent and nondescript person, against whom somebody's conduct, actions and views can be measured.
Mrs Thompson doesn't actually pass muster as a fair-minded and informed observer.0 -
It's possible there is not the means, short of total war. Assad is Putin's friend. But I believe we need to pick up from where Miliband forced us off. But what about the likes of David Davis? Will they change their minds?glw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
I think air power can be effective and relentless. As for Labour's view - they are the ones who commissioned two giant aircraft carriers - just what did they think they might get used for?0 -
Proberly agree but when luvvies start attacking they and my culture/race,she deserves to be laughed at.YBarddCwsc said:
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.0 -
I think her son had a right to choose his own career path, and I can see (as a former child soldier) why he might have been interested in human rights.perdix said:YBarddCwsc said:
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
Still, Emma did open her home and her life to a refugee. She did not just shrilly pontificate.
To my mind, there is a nobility in her behaviour,
It compares very favourably to the patronising rhetoric coming from some of the political class and the wealthy.0 -
Any declaration from Wales yet?0
-
On BBC2 now: Horizon - which universe are we in?0
-
The mickey mouse one.AndyJS said:On BBC2 now: Horizon - which universe are we in?
0 -
Not yet.kle4 said:Any declaration from Wales yet?
Bobby Douglas (the former UKIP candidate, now independent) was thrown out of UKIP for saying that immigrants should be gassed.
It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets in Caerffili.0 -
On the Today programme yesterday, Humphries interviewed the Belgian former PM who gave his predictable opinion on everything. I then waited for the alternative view to be put by the other interviewee. It turned out there wasn't one.RodCrosby said:
Just stop paying the propaganda tax. They can't jail us all, and the circumstances in which you might be jailed are vanishingly small, in any case.welshowl said:
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.RodCrosby said:
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...0 -
The BBC is populated with and chums with some of the most preposterously overpaid, egotistical, champagne socialists available for mutual luvvying. Its reputation is totally shot and it is living on past glories (long past). It has to be moved closer to the people who pay for it rather than those who leech on it.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.RodCrosby said:
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.0 -
You missed out "hugely privileged, brilliant, opinionated" ......I can't be arsed any moreCasino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-34450720 -
I watched it on catch-up. It seemed they didn't have enough belief in their own programme, so had to make its settings overly flashy. It also didn't have enough content to justify the length of programme. Poor effort overall - would have been better as radio.AndyJS said:On BBC2 now: Horizon - which universe are we in?
0 -
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.HYUFD said:
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.0 -
I used to be a huge fan of Eddie Izzard. Back in the days when you could laugh at what he said, rather than what he did....TheScreamingEagles said:This explains why Andy Burnham is now third favourite with the bookies
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election
0 -
Where's Saddam when you need him?glw said:
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.HYUFD said:
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
Oh, I forgot... we hanged him.0 -
Bedwas, Trethomas & Machen
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002
Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509
Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223
Dew, John James (Independent) 184
Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119
Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
223 for the gasser. 509 for the badger watcher. 1002 for the party that sanctioned massive payouts for the chief executive and top managers at Caerffili Council, subsequently declared unlawful.0 -
That's most likely to be Islington socialist posturing; more up market than Waynetta's desire for a brown baby and less trouble.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-34450720 -
The next time the Mail publishes a photo of an elderly white woman in hospital having been attacked by EM youths, will we be told that this is just "a one off incident" which we shouldn't "get emotional" about?0
-
119 for the badger gassers....YBarddCwsc said:Bedwas, Trethomas & Machen
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002
Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509
Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223
Dew, John James (Independent) 184
Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119
Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
223 for the gasser. 509 for the badger watcher.0 -
So you're saying adopting a black baby was a sacrifice? When she could have had a white baby? What's to salute?YBarddCwsc said:
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.0 -
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISISHYUFD said:
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the groundglw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
0 -
Those groups have hated each other for centuries, so what? It is impossible for anything to be worse than ISIS so I am not worried what comes next, even if it does involve Assad holding onto power in some form or even Al Nusra holding power in some formglw said:
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.HYUFD said:
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
0 -
Jobs for Brown's constituents? It didn't work though did itflightpath01 said:
It's possible there is not the means, short of total war. Assad is Putin's friend. But I believe we need to pick up from where Miliband forced us off. But what about the likes of David Davis? Will they change their minds?glw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
I think air power can be effective and relentless. As for Labour's view - they are the ones who commissioned two giant aircraft carriers - just what did they think they might get used for?0 -
To be better than some you hate is hardly a ringing endorsement. Even so your judgment looks very shakily based and a bit creepy.YBarddCwsc said:
I think her son had a right to choose his own career path, and I can see (as a former child soldier) why he might have been interested in human rights.perdix said:YBarddCwsc said:
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.Tykejohnno said:
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)Casino_Royale said:
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.Tykejohnno said:
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial LondonCasino_Royale said:Emma Thompson seems to have a real obsession with race and whiteness:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
Still, Emma did open her home and her life to a refugee. She did not just shrilly pontificate.
To my mind, there is a nobility in her behaviour,
It compares very favourably to the patronising rhetoric coming from some of the political class and the wealthy.0 -
Afterwards perhaps, but that is there problem, before is what I am interested inReggieCide said:
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISISHYUFD said:
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the groundglw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
0 -
He sounds jealous!Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
I don't know. It convinced me that there is a universe out there somewhere where Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader of the Labour Party. Wow, and thats a truly incredible thing. Imagine being part of that. Truly mind stretching.MarqueeMark said:
I watched it on catch-up. It seemed they didn't have enough belief in their own programme, so had to make its settings overly flashy. It also didn't have enough content to justify the length of programme. Poor effort overall - would have been better as radio.AndyJS said:On BBC2 now: Horizon - which universe are we in?
0 -
I don't think there is a before if it relies on a broad Muslim coalition. Much seems to depend on Iran and Russia - how scary is that? Less than ISIS is, I would say but I would expect many to disagree.HYUFD said:
Afterwards perhaps, but that is there problem, before is what I am interested inReggieCide said:
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISISHYUFD said:
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the groundglw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
0 -
"Just how far is Russia prepared to go to back the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad?
Recent sightings of brand new Russian armoured vehicles in Syria, of types never previously supplied to its ally, suggest that with the Assad regime suffering serious reverses, Moscow is intent on redressing the military balance.
On 20 August, a heavily-laden Alligator class landing ship of the Russian Navy, the Nikolay Filchenkov, was seen passing southwards through the Bosphorus."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-341315730 -
The Times is pointing out that
''A squadron of SAS soldiers is thought to be operating in Iraqi Kurdistan, embedded with the Kurdish peshmerga forces fighting Islamic State militants. The Kurdish troops have proved a vital source of information on the extremists from across the border in Syria.''
''The SAS and British spies in the region are helping the CIA and JSOC, which compiled the target list that includes senior members of al-Qaeda operating in Syria. The programme, first reported in the Washington Post this week, is separate to the wider US-led coalition effort against Islamic State.''
So we are doing are bit out there. Furthermore
''Conventional British forces do not have authority to operate in Syria but David Cameron has pledged to use the full force of the state to put Emwazi “out of action”. A former SAS commander said the prime minister did not need to seek parliamentary approval for an operation into Syria against Emwazi.''
I wonder what more detail would normally be shared with the LOTO?0 -
That was a particularly horrid interview. I was shouting loudly at the radio that I will not be lectured on morality and statecraft by someone whose country we set up after clearing up after Napoleon, and defended through two world wars. And that Euro-elite types like him would cause even Euro-tolerant Tories like me to vote for Out.AndyJS said:
On the Today programme yesterday, Humphries interviewed the Belgian former PM who gave his predictable opinion on everything. I then waited for the alternative view to be put by the other interviewee. It turned out there wasn't one.RodCrosby said:
Just stop paying the propaganda tax. They can't jail us all, and the circumstances in which you might be jailed are vanishingly small, in any case.welshowl said:
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.RodCrosby said:
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...welshowl said:
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.ReggieCide said:AndyJS said:
"Emma Thompson: If refugees were white, we would feel differently"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...
0 -
If ISIS eventually gets so big it really threatens the national security of Turkey and Jordan they will have no option but to send in ground troops, while Iran and Russia buttress Assad, they can then come to some sort of deal afterwardsReggieCide said:
I don't think there is a before if it relies on a broad Muslim coalition. Much seems to depend on Iran and Russia - how scary is that? Less than ISIS is, I would say but I would expect many to disagree.HYUFD said:
Afterwards perhaps, but that is there problem, before is what I am interested inReggieCide said:
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISISHYUFD said:
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the groundglw said:
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.flightpath01 said:I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
0 -
The Times:
"Ed Miliband is to rule out a return to frontline politics, thwarting moves to line him up as Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow foreign secretary."0 -
How on earth can Russia afford all these military involvements with oil and gas in the doldrums. Surely the treasury must be nearly empty....0
-
The Times:
"Members of the Unite trade union have been signed up to vote in the Labour leadership election without their consent, it has been claimed.
Party officials conducted an inquiry into an allegation from a member of the trade union that he was registered for the ballot without his permission."
0 -
Well Blair was Middle East mediator after all...Sunil_Prasannan said:twitter.com/MrChrisLent/status/638815559631654912
I seem to recall Corbyn or someone saying this before.
But the smart-arse remark misses the point.
Its one thing to deal with an enemy to end a dispute. Its quite another to be the friend of an enemy of your country and / or a terrorist group.0 -
CorbynomicsMortimer said:How on earth can Russia afford all these military involvements with oil and gas in the doldrums. Surely the treasury must be nearly empty....
0 -
They certainly are at the local level:Mortimer said:How on earth can Russia afford all these military involvements with oil and gas in the doldrums. Surely the treasury must be nearly empty....
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/russian-regions-are-running-out-money0 -
and...GaddafiRodCrosby said:
Where's Saddam when you need him?glw said:
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.HYUFD said:
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
Oh, I forgot... we hanged him.0 -
"I never hugged him. I bombed him!"surbiton said:
and...Gaddafi
- M H Thatcher, 20110 -
And only 119 patriots. Everyone who won't vote Tory should be tortured to death. Without delay. It will make room for all the Arab and African "refugees", too.YBarddCwsc said:Bedwas, Trethomas & Machen
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002
Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509
Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223
Dew, John James (Independent) 184
Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119
Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
223 for the gasser. 509 for the badger watcher. 1002 for the party that sanctioned massive payouts for the chief executive and top managers at Caerffili Council, subsequently declared unlawful.
0 -
Correction. It won't. The number of refugees in the world and the population of the UK are pretty much the same. Top accommodate the refugees, we shall have to kill the Tories as well as everyone else (including, of course, those who used to be refugees but are now citizens).0
Well, perhaps excepting the bit about International Aid budget. 
