Off topic looks like the GOP have a new cause célèbre in Kim Davis for their culture wars.
I don't think the Kentucky clerk situation is going anywhere. Davis is a government employee and therefore her sole purpose is to function as part of the government. If Davis was making a conscience based protest as a private business she'd have a point I would agree with. However as she takes the government shilling I agree with Fiorina on this:
"I think in this particular case, this woman now needs to make a decision of conscience. Is she prepared to continue to work for the government, be paid by the government, in which case she needs to execute the government’s will, or does she feel so strongly about this that she wants to sever her employment with the government and go seek employment elsewhere where her religious liberties will be paramount over her duties as a government employee.”
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significant
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significant
But the Labour Party electorate is self-selected. That's the whole problem!
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significant
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
To be fair, it's an understandable POV. Smartphones cost £300+ without contracts. If they're status symbols like trainers - that's just spending decisions which may seem very odd to many here.
saddened said: » show previous quotes Don't be embarrassed you can admit, that not for the first time, you made yourself look like a complete dick. You didn't think about what you posted you just thought it was a good dig at those foreigners. You pathetic individual. -------------------------------------------- All I said that with their smartphones and cash to run them, shows that these so called migrants are not refugees. You may love them, Saddened, so take them to your bosom or better still your house, and see how much you'll love then then. Stop acting like a spoilt child.
You. Don't. Need. Cash. To. Run. Them. You moron, that is the point. If you thought for one moment rather than letting your, all to obvious, prejudices overrule your faculties, you would understand.
No they don't. You can pick up a cheap smartphone SIM free for £30
You can pick them up even cheaper than that in the third world. I believe more Indians have a smartphone than a flushable toilet. Its cheaper to get a smartphone than it is to get sanitation.
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significant
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
I think we should call them Mini Coopers.
"Is this your coat, sir? Your taxi is waiting outside."
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
An interesting evening in prospect - the Falcons have their last pre-season game this evening, and Georgia Tech have their first regular season game. The forecast is for severe thunderstorms, so traffic will be a mess.
A busy sports night - there are 16 exhibition NFL games this evening, and 19 college football games as their season starts.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
Why do we have a 'moral obligation'?
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences and pick up a few votes, whilst many go without at home.
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
Does Mrs Sturgeon define who she is including within this "we"?
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
Maitlis and Thompson probably sup pinot grigio in the same Islington wine bar together.
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
Why do we have a 'moral obligation'?
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences, whilst many go without at home.
"moral obligation" translates in politics-speak as 'my morals and values are purer and superior to yours'
Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care' https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
Actually her view is worth demonstrably less than that.
The Man on the Clapham Omnibus is an important and very real legal concept. He is a reasonably educated, intelligent and nondescript person, against whom somebody's conduct, actions and views can be measured.
Mrs Thompson doesn't actually pass muster as a fair-minded and informed observer.
Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care' https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb
@EmmetMcAlinden appears to be a very disturbed and unpleasant individual.
Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care' https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb
@EmmetMcAlinden appears to be a very disturbed and unpleasant individual.
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significant
But the Labour Party electorate is self-selected. That's the whole problem!
Yes, but at least yougov can pick from the actual electorate
Smartphones so no such thing. They fit in your pocket. If some disaster struck the UK and I needed to flee with my family for our lives with only whatever we could carry on our backs then one thing I'd definitely take with is my phone.
Wouldn't you? Would you leave your phone at home?
I don't own one. Is this seriously detrimental to my life expectancy?
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
Does Mrs Sturgeon define who she is including within this "we"?
Speaking for the UK as a whole on this one I presume, a unionist when it suits it seems
Katie Hopkins is a thoroughly unpleasant individual. She gives the right wing a bad name, makes the country a more divisive ugly place, and purely so she can rake in the money through generating outrage. It is incredible levels of selfishness to put her own career before the conservative movement or the country. We could take in one more Syrian refugee if we sent her in the other direction.
I see Nicola Sturgeon has just said we have a moral obligation to take more refugees, perhaps we could send them to Scotland then as they have the lowest population density in the UK
Why do we have a 'moral obligation'?
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences and pick up a few votes, whilst many go without at home.
Indeed, it would be far better to solve the problem at source
The audience enthusiasm may be more significant, since that was selected to be a representative sample of Labour leadership voters.
The poll was about as accurate as a random self-selecting internet poll, Corbyn was on well over 80%, comfortably more than 20% above the rating he was on even in the last yougov Labour members' poll. I think the Corbyn supporters are like Yes backers in indyref, extremely and unashamedly vocal, it is the silent potential ABCs who may be more significant
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
No they don't cost over £300 that's just totally untrue. Nor are they status symbols, in the 21st century they're regarded as an essential like electricity, water or gas.
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.
Katie Hopkins is a thoroughly unpleasant individual. She gives the right wing a bad name, makes the country a more divisive ugly place, and purely so she can rake in the money through generating outrage. It is incredible levels of selfishness to put her own career before the conservative movement or the country. We could take in one more Syrian refugee if we sent her in the other direction.
Katie Hopkins is a thoroughly unpleasant individual. She gives the right wing a bad name, makes the country a more divisive ugly place, and purely so she can rake in the money through generating outrage. It is incredible levels of selfishness to put her own career before the conservative movement or the country. We could take in one more Syrian refugee if we sent her in the other direction.
Well she certainly knows how to get the cash in, she was paid £400,000 to appear on CBB
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
This explains why Andy Burnham is now third favourite with the bookies
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
This explains why Andy Burnham is now third favourite with the bookies
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.
Just stop paying the propaganda tax. They can't jail us all, and the circumstances in which you might be jailed are vanishingly small, in any case.
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
They and the BBC arse lick each other don't they? Have done on a regular basis for yurrs, as some of the posher BBCers would say.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
A propaganda piece, brought to you by the BBC.
Also, by implication, is she saying that Cameron is not helping the Syrians because he is racist?
One wonders how she can cope with all the moral superiority that she thinks she has.
I'd happily exchange Emma Thompson for a Syrian.
Why on Earth does a mid-rate actress have any special expertise on international migration issues? The BBC really is obsessed with celebrity sometimes.
To be fair she's a bit better than "mid-rate".
She's never stood out for me.
I think she's stood out for loads. I leave you to decide whether missing out was lucky or unlucky
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
Katie Hopkins as measured as ever 'Show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. I still don't care' https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb
@EmmetMcAlinden appears to be a very disturbed and unpleasant individual.
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
Maitlis and Thompson probably sup pinot grigio in the same Islington wine bar together.
Pinot Grigio's a bit vulgar isn't it. I'm guessing, I've seen it in ASDA.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
Actually her view is worth demonstrably less than that.
The Man on the Clapham Omnibus is an important and very real legal concept. He is a reasonably educated, intelligent and nondescript person, against whom somebody's conduct, actions and views can be measured.
Mrs Thompson doesn't actually pass muster as a fair-minded and informed observer.
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
It's possible there is not the means, short of total war. Assad is Putin's friend. But I believe we need to pick up from where Miliband forced us off. But what about the likes of David Davis? Will they change their minds? I think air power can be effective and relentless. As for Labour's view - they are the ones who commissioned two giant aircraft carriers - just what did they think they might get used for?
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
Proberly agree but when luvvies start attacking they and my culture/race,she deserves to be laughed at.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
I think her son had a right to choose his own career path, and I can see (as a former child soldier) why he might have been interested in human rights.
Still, Emma did open her home and her life to a refugee. She did not just shrilly pontificate.
To my mind, there is a nobility in her behaviour,
It compares very favourably to the patronising rhetoric coming from some of the political class and the wealthy.
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.
Just stop paying the propaganda tax. They can't jail us all, and the circumstances in which you might be jailed are vanishingly small, in any case.
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...
On the Today programme yesterday, Humphries interviewed the Belgian former PM who gave his predictable opinion on everything. I then waited for the alternative view to be put by the other interviewee. It turned out there wasn't one.
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.
The BBC is populated with and chums with some of the most preposterously overpaid, egotistical, champagne socialists available for mutual luvvying. Its reputation is totally shot and it is living on past glories (long past). It has to be moved closer to the people who pay for it rather than those who leech on it.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
I watched it on catch-up. It seemed they didn't have enough belief in their own programme, so had to make its settings overly flashy. It also didn't have enough content to justify the length of programme. Poor effort overall - would have been better as radio.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
If that is the solution we'll be back to square one soon enough.
Well better back at square one than square zero with ISIS
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
This explains why Andy Burnham is now third favourite with the bookies
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election
I used to be a huge fan of Eddie Izzard. Back in the days when you could laugh at what he said, rather than what he did....
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
If that is the solution we'll be back to square one soon enough.
Well better back at square one than square zero with ISIS
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002 Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509 Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223 Dew, John James (Independent) 184 Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119 Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
223 for the gasser. 509 for the badger watcher. 1002 for the party that sanctioned massive payouts for the chief executive and top managers at Caerffili Council, subsequently declared unlawful.
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
The next time the Mail publishes a photo of an elderly white woman in hospital having been attacked by EM youths, will we be told that this is just "a one off incident" which we shouldn't "get emotional" about?
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002 Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509 Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223 Dew, John James (Independent) 184 Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119 Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
So you're saying adopting a black baby was a sacrifice? When she could have had a white baby? What's to salute?
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
If that is the solution we'll be back to square one soon enough.
Well better back at square one than square zero with ISIS
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
Those groups have hated each other for centuries, so what? It is impossible for anything to be worse than ISIS so I am not worried what comes next, even if it does involve Assad holding onto power in some form or even Al Nusra holding power in some form
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
It's possible there is not the means, short of total war. Assad is Putin's friend. But I believe we need to pick up from where Miliband forced us off. But what about the likes of David Davis? Will they change their minds? I think air power can be effective and relentless. As for Labour's view - they are the ones who commissioned two giant aircraft carriers - just what did they think they might get used for?
Jobs for Brown's constituents? It didn't work though did it
I still remember her complaint from several years ago that Exeter was a lovely place for the BNP because it had so few black faces, and that Devon and Cornwall were too white and it needed addressing.
She lives several months a year in whitey Scotland well away from our multicultural/racial London
Her real shame is that she is an upper-middle class, well-educated, well-spoken, white Englishwoman.
She's adopted a African kid.to kill some of the guilt though ;-)
To be fair to Emma, she did adopt a Rwandan refugee.
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
I think her son had a right to choose his own career path, and I can see (as a former child soldier) why he might have been interested in human rights.
Still, Emma did open her home and her life to a refugee. She did not just shrilly pontificate.
To my mind, there is a nobility in her behaviour,
It compares very favourably to the patronising rhetoric coming from some of the political class and the wealthy.
To be better than some you hate is hardly a ringing endorsement. Even so your judgment looks very shakily based and a bit creepy.
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISIS
Afterwards perhaps, but that is there problem, before is what I am interested in
I watched it on catch-up. It seemed they didn't have enough belief in their own programme, so had to make its settings overly flashy. It also didn't have enough content to justify the length of programme. Poor effort overall - would have been better as radio.
I don't know. It convinced me that there is a universe out there somewhere where Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader of the Labour Party. Wow, and thats a truly incredible thing. Imagine being part of that. Truly mind stretching.
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISIS
Afterwards perhaps, but that is there problem, before is what I am interested in
I don't think there is a before if it relies on a broad Muslim coalition. Much seems to depend on Iran and Russia - how scary is that? Less than ISIS is, I would say but I would expect many to disagree.
"Just how far is Russia prepared to go to back the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad?
Recent sightings of brand new Russian armoured vehicles in Syria, of types never previously supplied to its ally, suggest that with the Assad regime suffering serious reverses, Moscow is intent on redressing the military balance. On 20 August, a heavily-laden Alligator class landing ship of the Russian Navy, the Nikolay Filchenkov, was seen passing southwards through the Bosphorus."
The Times is pointing out that ''A squadron of SAS soldiers is thought to be operating in Iraqi Kurdistan, embedded with the Kurdish peshmerga forces fighting Islamic State militants. The Kurdish troops have proved a vital source of information on the extremists from across the border in Syria.'' ''The SAS and British spies in the region are helping the CIA and JSOC, which compiled the target list that includes senior members of al-Qaeda operating in Syria. The programme, first reported in the Washington Post this week, is separate to the wider US-led coalition effort against Islamic State.''
So we are doing are bit out there. Furthermore ''Conventional British forces do not have authority to operate in Syria but David Cameron has pledged to use the full force of the state to put Emwazi “out of action”. A former SAS commander said the prime minister did not need to seek parliamentary approval for an operation into Syria against Emwazi.''
I wonder what more detail would normally be shared with the LOTO?
I fast forwarded this luvvy tart so didn't pick this up. The statement says more about her than anyone else and Maitlis didn't even blink, obviously confident that the tart wasn't talking about her. Self righteous, pompous, scum bags like Thompson make me sick to my stomach.
I really do not see why the luvvies are given such prominence frankly. Entitled to a view of course, but no more valid than the proverbial man on the Clapham omnibus.
But the whole purpose of the British Brainwashing Corporation is to make it seem views such as hers are normal and unexceptional...
Exactly. I don't want to be compelled - on threat of imprisonment - to pay for a bloated, nationwide-broadcasting version of the Guardian-on-air anymore.
It needs reform. Big reform. As in pruning.
Just stop paying the propaganda tax. They can't jail us all, and the circumstances in which you might be jailed are vanishingly small, in any case.
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...
On the Today programme yesterday, Humphries interviewed the Belgian former PM who gave his predictable opinion on everything. I then waited for the alternative view to be put by the other interviewee. It turned out there wasn't one.
That was a particularly horrid interview. I was shouting loudly at the radio that I will not be lectured on morality and statecraft by someone whose country we set up after clearing up after Napoleon, and defended through two world wars. And that Euro-elite types like him would cause even Euro-tolerant Tories like me to vote for Out.
I do too. But will parliament authorise 'as a first step' as the Sun says 'approve air strikes against ISIS in Syria' ?
It will require more than a few air strikes to halt ISIS, but if we can't deal with the cause the refugees are going to keep coming, and coming. I don't see anyone proposing the kind of military action that would deal with ISIS there's simply no appetite, and maybe no means, in the West to do so.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
They'd be as likely to fight each other as ISIS
Afterwards perhaps, but that is there problem, before is what I am interested in
I don't think there is a before if it relies on a broad Muslim coalition. Much seems to depend on Iran and Russia - how scary is that? Less than ISIS is, I would say but I would expect many to disagree.
If ISIS eventually gets so big it really threatens the national security of Turkey and Jordan they will have no option but to send in ground troops, while Iran and Russia buttress Assad, they can then come to some sort of deal afterwards
"Members of the Unite trade union have been signed up to vote in the Labour leadership election without their consent, it has been claimed.
Party officials conducted an inquiry into an allegation from a member of the trade union that he was registered for the ballot without his permission."
Well Blair was Middle East mediator after all... I seem to recall Corbyn or someone saying this before. But the smart-arse remark misses the point. Its one thing to deal with an enemy to end a dispute. Its quite another to be the friend of an enemy of your country and / or a terrorist group.
Ultimately it will be the powers in the region, Turkey, Iran, Jordan etc and the Kurds who ultimately deal with ISIS on the ground
If that is the solution we'll be back to square one soon enough.
Well better back at square one than square zero with ISIS
I don't see how those nations, even if they defeated ISIS, would solve things. Kurds hate Turks, Sunnis hate Iran. The seeds of the next worse-than-ISIS would be sown.
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002 Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509 Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223 Dew, John James (Independent) 184 Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119 Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
223 for the gasser. 509 for the badger watcher. 1002 for the party that sanctioned massive payouts for the chief executive and top managers at Caerffili Council, subsequently declared unlawful.
And only 119 patriots. Everyone who won't vote Tory should be tortured to death. Without delay. It will make room for all the Arab and African "refugees", too.
Correction. It won't. The number of refugees in the world and the population of the UK are pretty much the same. Top accommodate the refugees, we shall have to kill the Tories as well as everyone else (including, of course, those who used to be refugees but are now citizens).
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"I think in this particular case, this woman now needs to make a decision of conscience. Is she prepared to continue to work for the government, be paid by the government, in which case she needs to execute the government’s will, or does she feel so strongly about this that she wants to sever her employment with the government and go seek employment elsewhere where her religious liberties will be paramount over her duties as a government employee.”
The question will be how many quiet, small voices there are waiting to vote for Yvette.
I think we should call them Mini Coopers.
A busy sports night - there are 16 exhibition NFL games this evening, and 19 college football games as their season starts.
It's not as if we're not doing a lot to help already, with hundreds of £millions in aid, and half the Royal Navy steaming up and down the Med, fishing people out of the sea.
It's really quite wearing watching politicians splashing our cash with largesse to assuage their own consciences and pick up a few votes, whilst many go without at home.
SkyNews shows who won the "debate" tonight as Corbyn 84% Kendall 8% Burnham 5% Cooper 3%
https://twitter.com/EmmetMcAlinden?lang=en-gb
The Man on the Clapham Omnibus is an important and very real legal concept. He is a reasonably educated, intelligent and nondescript person, against whom somebody's conduct, actions and views can be measured.
Mrs Thompson doesn't actually pass muster as a fair-minded and informed observer.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity-interviews/actress-emma-thompson-love-scotland-3445072
@eddieizzard: I'm voting for @AndyBurnhammp for Labour Party leader. If we don't win the centre of the country we're not going to win the next election
Bare behind bars ;-)
Seriously, I have never had a licence, and about every two weeks for the past 25 years I have received the threatening letter, that they're coming round next week, etc., blah, blah...
I appreciate she is very wealthy and can afford to do this ... but still too many of the very wealthy pontificate without making any personal sacrifice.
So I salute her for this.
She said that she was raising her adopted son to be a human rights lawyer. We already have too many of these. An engineer would be better.
I have suggested a camp for migrants on Hampstead Heath, the local luvvies would like it. They are already thinking of hiring a private police force because of an increase in burglary.
I think air power can be effective and relentless. As for Labour's view - they are the ones who commissioned two giant aircraft carriers - just what did they think they might get used for?
Still, Emma did open her home and her life to a refugee. She did not just shrilly pontificate.
To my mind, there is a nobility in her behaviour,
It compares very favourably to the patronising rhetoric coming from some of the political class and the wealthy.
Bobby Douglas (the former UKIP candidate, now independent) was thrown out of UKIP for saying that immigrants should be gassed.
It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets in Caerffili.
I don't have any answer, but sorting out the rivalries in the region, and within Islam, and knocking-out Islamist ideas, seems to be a problem of a scale to which there is currently no plausible solution. I'm genuinely stumped.
Oh, I forgot... we hanged him.
Jones, Lisa (Welsh Labour) 1,002
Davies, Ron (Plaid Cymru) 509
Douglas, Bobby (UKIP, then Independent) 223
Dew, John James (Independent) 184
Lukins, Rita (Welsh Conservative Party) 119
Davies, Ray (Independent) 106
223 for the gasser. 509 for the badger watcher. 1002 for the party that sanctioned massive payouts for the chief executive and top managers at Caerffili Council, subsequently declared unlawful.
Recent sightings of brand new Russian armoured vehicles in Syria, of types never previously supplied to its ally, suggest that with the Assad regime suffering serious reverses, Moscow is intent on redressing the military balance.
On 20 August, a heavily-laden Alligator class landing ship of the Russian Navy, the Nikolay Filchenkov, was seen passing southwards through the Bosphorus."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34131573
''A squadron of SAS soldiers is thought to be operating in Iraqi Kurdistan, embedded with the Kurdish peshmerga forces fighting Islamic State militants. The Kurdish troops have proved a vital source of information on the extremists from across the border in Syria.''
''The SAS and British spies in the region are helping the CIA and JSOC, which compiled the target list that includes senior members of al-Qaeda operating in Syria. The programme, first reported in the Washington Post this week, is separate to the wider US-led coalition effort against Islamic State.''
So we are doing are bit out there. Furthermore
''Conventional British forces do not have authority to operate in Syria but David Cameron has pledged to use the full force of the state to put Emwazi “out of action”. A former SAS commander said the prime minister did not need to seek parliamentary approval for an operation into Syria against Emwazi.''
I wonder what more detail would normally be shared with the LOTO?
"Ed Miliband is to rule out a return to frontline politics, thwarting moves to line him up as Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow foreign secretary."
"Members of the Unite trade union have been signed up to vote in the Labour leadership election without their consent, it has been claimed.
Party officials conducted an inquiry into an allegation from a member of the trade union that he was registered for the ballot without his permission."
I seem to recall Corbyn or someone saying this before.
But the smart-arse remark misses the point.
Its one thing to deal with an enemy to end a dispute. Its quite another to be the friend of an enemy of your country and / or a terrorist group.
'Missed the debate, was Corbyn really that good in comparison to the others?'
Corbyn was promising free money for all and lots of new business for printing companies.
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/russian-regions-are-running-out-money
- M H Thatcher, 2011