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And it's all moot now, since Scots decided not to become independent.CarlottaVance said:
Straw Manscotslass said:those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state
The argument is about HOW Scotland would be a viable and successful independent state - an argument the SNP clearly failed to carry under a year ago.
Simple questions like 'currency' went unanswered beyond 'they're lying!'0 -
The economy in 2010 was in a far poorer position than the one Brown inherited in 1997.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
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That is the biggest oft-repeated piece of bullshit in the recent Labour playbook.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy was recovering under Labour. Osborne flat-lined it.MarqueeMark said:
Let me stop you right there. Labour's recovery?DecrepitJohnL said:
But George Osborne is not a fool. Blanchflower's predictions were based on Osborne's Plan A. When Osborne realised his critics were right and he had indeed choked off Labour's recovery and flatlined the economy, he abandoned Plan A and switched to a new plan, confusingly also called Plan A.MarqueeMark said:
Danny Blanchflower in 2009 said Tory plans would lead to four million unemployed. Five million was "not inconceivable". It is actually around 1.85m.ydoethur said:
I think the only way Corbyn could win a general election is if the entire Conservative party was banned from standing. Even then, he might struggle.
(Blanchflower's letter is the kiss of death for Corbyn's economic credibility among the intelligentsia anyway - a man who owes his career to being completely wrong on every major issue, but as it happens, completely in accord with the views of those he is speaking to. He has the credibility of Hugo Chavez's daughter without the ability.)
The man is fool.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/6224723/Tory-public-spending-cuts-could-push-unemployment-to-5-million.html
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
You were saying?
Find me anybody twith a credibility higher than Blanchflower's who thinks Labour's economic position going into the 2010 election was SUSTAINABLE. The word is missing from every leftist dictionary.0 -
While enjoying the view of the Hamas gallows and gibbet?CarlottaVance said:
On the way to Savile 'fuss about nothing' Childrens' Hospital?Roger said:I look forward to a time when it's possible to go from Mandela Avenue through Hezbollah Way past Mcguiness Square and into the Peoples Chamber without ever having to pass the statue of Citizen Thatcher
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What recovery was this? Osborne inherited an economy that had undergone a major contraction.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
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RE Blanchflower.. Since his infamous declaration about unemployment that proved to be utter nonsense , his appearances dwindled on the BBC such that I cannot remember the last time I saw him on TV. After all, any prognostication he might make should be met with a question about why anyone should believe anything he says given his track record.0
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Labour lost that argument in the 2010 election and again in the 2015 election. It looks like being run out again for 2020. I wonder what tbe result will be this time?CarlottaVance said:
The economy in 2010 was in a far poorer position than the one Brown inherited in 1997.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
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It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.Alanbrooke said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?DecrepitJohnL said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.0 -
Not really.Morris_Dancer said:the SNP has had two competent leaders in a row.
Eck had a "once in a lifetime" opportunity, on the date of his choosing, with his choice of wording, in the most benign financial and political climate imaginable, and managed to blow it.
Nicola inherits all the crises initiated on his watch.
Police Scotland. Education, at all levels, in crisis.
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Labour did not make that argument in 2015, which is what a lot of people are complaining about.foxinsoxuk said:
Labour lost that argument in the 2010 election and again in the 2015 election. It looks like being run out again for 2020. I wonder what tbe result will be this time?CarlottaVance said:
The economy in 2010 was in a far poorer position than the one Brown inherited in 1997.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
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Indeed. There must be hundreds of thousands of people like me who would like to be able to vote Labour but can't as long as they retain their lack of economic credibility.foxinsoxuk said:
Labour lost that argument in the 2010 election and again in the 2015 election. It looks like being run out again for 2020. I wonder what tbe result will be this time?CarlottaVance said:
The economy in 2010 was in a far poorer position than the one Brown inherited in 1997.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
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Indeed - the sharp intake of breath at that Leaders' Debate spoke volumes. Who asked the question is irrelevant, it was EdM's answer that stole the show for all the wrong reasons.
And then he fell off the stage.foxinsoxuk said:
Labour lost that argument in the 2010 election and again in the 2015 election. It looks like being run out again for 2020. I wonder what tbe result will be this time?CarlottaVance said:
The economy in 2010 was in a far poorer position than the one Brown inherited in 1997.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
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Um, collapse of tax revenues because of a recession does not contribute to a structural deficit.DecrepitJohnL said:
It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.Alanbrooke said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?DecrepitJohnL said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.0 -
Indeed. Remember this from the year before. The economy was screwed then and getting worseSean_F said:
What recovery was this? Osborne inherited an economy that had undergone a major contraction.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs0 -
Cooper has finally - too late, probably - said what needed saying about the importance of Labour not giving legitimacy and credibility to extremists, particularly at a time when extremists are recruiting and grooming. The whole interview can be read over at the Telegraph.
Incidentally, I saw that a 16 year old was taken into care to save her from Islamist grooming by her parents, with it being described by the judge as on a par with child abuse.0 -
Morning Malc.. hows those oil revenues in jocksville?malcolmg said:
The right wing nutters are massing, just need Square Root and we will have all the stooges on stage.CarlottaVance said:
And the first Godwin of the day goes to.......malcolmg said:
go put your jackboots on and prance up and down your bedsit.Scott_P said:ROFL
What is the surefire indication a poster has absolutely nothing to say...?
The EU says Swinney can't manage his finances. The EU, who haven't had their accounts signed off for years, says Swinney can't handle money...malcolmg said:Take a look in the Mirror
No wonder Nicola dare not mention IndyRef20 -
The fact that that substantially increased revenue spending had been embedded as a 'structural' feature of the economy on the basis that the increased City tax revenues would never collapse might have had some thing to do with the consequences after...DecrepitJohnL said:
It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.Alanbrooke said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?DecrepitJohnL said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.
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Labour can win the 2020 election under any labour leader.Where does one emigrate to?0
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I think this makes a lot of sense.alex. said:
I think he's been through several iterations since then. I think he's now reached Plan A.DecrepitJohnL said:
But George Osborne is not a fool. Blanchflower's predictions were based on Osborne's Plan A. When Osborne realised his critics were right and he had indeed choked off the recovery inherited from Labour, and flatlined the economy, he abandoned Plan A and switched to a new plan, confusingly also called Plan A.MarqueeMark said:
Danny Blanchflower in 2009 said Tory plans would lead to four million unemployed. Five million was "not inconceivable". It is actually around 1.85m.ydoethur said:
I think the only way Corbyn could win a general election is if the entire Conservative party was banned from standing. Even then, he might struggle.
(Blanchflower's letter is the kiss of death for Corbyn's economic credibility among the intelligentsia anyway - a man who owes his career to being completely wrong on every major issue, but as it happens, completely in accord with the views of those he is speaking to. He has the credibility of Hugo Chavez's daughter without the ability.)
The man is fool.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/6224723/Tory-public-spending-cuts-could-push-unemployment-to-5-million.html
"Austerity" is a political slogan, no more, no less. And a highly effective one for the Conservatives, because the public are in a position where they "accept" that "austerity" is necessary. So he can tweak/change his plans to his heart's content to adapt to what the economy is doing, but it doesn't matter what he does it's still "austerity". It also makes his opponents look in(un?)credible, because by attacking "austerity" without ever quite being able to define what austerity means, they are constantly attacking a moving target, and can never credibly present an alternative. The moment they try and articulate an alternative they find that Osborne has commandeered it, and their alternative has been renamed as "austerity".
(the irony of course is that Labour has a problem that the SNP has commandeered the alternative slogan "anti-austerity", and they don't act upon it either)0 -
I can't imagine it has many members - but just one example http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11818737/Jeremy-Corbyn-backers-plunge-Labour-into-new-entryism-row.html
The Telegraph can disclose that Unite, the biggest trade union, has been encouraging its members to sign up to vote for Mr Corbyn in order to “wrest control of the Labour party” out of the hands of the “Blairite elite”.
A local Unite branch secretary in south London, also urged backers of the Lewisham People Before Profit Party – a rival political party - to join Labour and vote for Mr Corbyn. This would be a clear breach of Labour’s rules intended to stop non-Labour supporters from taking part in the leadership election.0 -
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
What happened to that like box? Made me laugh.Roger said:I look forward to a time when it's possible to go from Mandela Avenue through Hezbollah Way past Mcguiness Square and into the Peoples Chamber without ever having to pass the statue of Citizen Thatcher
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Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
LOL, who is the "three bob bit"ThreeQuidder said:
And it's all moot now, since Scots decided not to become independent.CarlottaVance said:
Straw Manscotslass said:those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state
The argument is about HOW Scotland would be a viable and successful independent state - an argument the SNP clearly failed to carry under a year ago.
Simple questions like 'currency' went unanswered beyond 'they're lying!'0 -
morning kle4, I could name you a few , mainly the "Scottish" Scotland haters on here mind you.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
Turnip award looming , you may rival Scott in future by the looks of it. Spoofer does not even come close.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
Anyone can grow an economy in the short term if you're doing it by increasing government spending even faster. The point is that it's like claiming you'll win a marathon when you're sprinting during a 20m patch in the middle and everyone else is pacing themselves. Prudent economic management means looking long term. Labour governments typically avoid doing this, which is why they always leave office with higher unemployment than they got in with.0
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Although I would of course want to be out of range of a rolled-up newspaper!ydoethur said:I would give a whole English pound (honorary Cardi) to be a fly on the wall when MalcolmG reads this:
We saw in the Scottish Independence referendum, it is possible to garner (and hold on to) the support of 45% of voters, even if your economic policies are incoherent, lacking in any economic or fiscal reality, so long as you can sell a vision that your plans are better than the status quo. 45% might not win a referendum, but under FPTP it can lead to a landslide in a general election. One of the things the SNP have managed to do brilliantly is get people who haven’t voted in the past to come out and vote for them, something Labour haven’t been able to replicate, Corbyn might be the man to do that with a different, bold vision.
Would it be possible, for PB to have a whipround, to give TSE some evening classes, in basic grammar, most especially the purpose, of the comma?
Of course as a practitioner of the pedagogical arts (I believe you may have mentioned it once or twice), perhaps you could make yourself available for some home tutoring?0 -
I'm still playing XCOM and have sunk something like 70 hours into the super mod 'long war' alone so far- I think the success of such mods made them want to go after the PD crowd first even harder. Maybe if people come up with good changes for them in gratitude they'll add them to non Pc releases pitched as a super edition or something.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, some cleaning is due to occur today, an ideal time to check.
Sometimes I wish the house could be hermetically sealed. Had that 5" spider story the other day, and found one [thankfully not that size] in the afternoon.
Maybe I should breed a smaller species of enormo-haddock to tackle the insectoid and arachnid menace.
Speaking of insectoids, not that long until XCOM 2 comes out. Still don't get why it's PC-only to start with. Be interesting to see if the PS4 gets that or Banner Saga first.
In all honesty it seems weird though, the reboot sold well on other platforms I'd have though. The banner saga was good, but short0 -
Edinburgh Agreement, preamble and section 30.malcolmg said:
Turnip award looming , you may rival Scott in future by the looks of it. Spoofer does not even come close.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.
Democracy means that sometimes you lose.0 -
The long term plan requires such. Short term thinkers wouldn't get it.malcolmg said:
Likely to be doing a Cameron and hiding under the couch or similarMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Doethur, that's eminently possible. Next time the beast is uncaged we'll see if she has anything in her fur (suspect it's been eaten by now, but still worth a look).
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This may make Dugdale's job more 'interesting':
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13620831.Revealed__new_Scottish_left_party_named_as_RISE/0 -
The fact that that substantially increased revenue spending had been embedded as a 'structural' feature of the economy on the basis that the increased City tax revenues would never collapse might have had some thing to do with the consequences after...alex. said:
It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.DecrepitJohnL said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?Alanbrooke said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.DecrepitJohnL said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.
Indeed. Building a fiscal model entirely dependent on permanently high financial profits is as stupid as Middle East governments doing the same on a permanently high oil price. Labour ran an econony on the delusion that they had abolished rainy days, and thus never needed to save for them. We are the poorer for it.0 -
No one believes that. Believe me I wish it was final. 5-10 years I give it at max.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
Total idiocyDecrepitJohnL said:
It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.Alanbrooke said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?DecrepitJohnL said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.
it was the over reliance on City revenues which made Brown's spending binge so toxic and caused the severity of the recession.
A balanced economy with spending under control would have recovered much quicker.
When the sun was shining Labour burnt the roof timbers to create more heat.0 -
Feel free to stop talking about this.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
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Mr. Divvie, if we're to educate Mr. Eagles then his abysmal 'grasp' of classical history must be considered the top priority for improvement.
Mr. kle4, indeed, it sold loads on all platforms, as I understand it.
I've also heard good things about the Long War mod. I wonder if Fallout 4 will be unique (or rare) in offering console mods, or if this will become a new standard.
I recall Red Alert 3 coming late to the PS3, but with a few extras (maps, behind the scenes bits etc).
Mind you, whilst I want to play XCOM 2 the fact it isn't released, initially, for PS4 does mean I can just focus on Fallout 4. I already have cunning plans to ensure security of my home base (inspired by medieval defensive doctrine).0 -
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"Nicola inherits all the crises initiated on his watch"
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JEO said:
Indeed. Building a fiscal model entirely dependent on permanently high financial profits is as stupid as Middle East governments doing the same on a permanently high oil price. Labour ran an econony on the delusion that they had abolished rainy days, and thus never needed to save for them. We are the poorer for it.
No more boom. And bust.
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Is it Conservative policy to save for rainy days? Surely any Conservative Chancellor would come under sustained pressure to cut taxes? I do not think higher taxes than necessary feature in any party's programme, not even Corbynite Labour.JEO said:
Indeed. Building a fiscal model entirely dependent on permanently high financial profits is as stupid as Middle East governments doing the same on a permanently high oil price. Labour ran an econony on the delusion that they had abolished rainy days, and thus never needed to save for them. We are the poorer for it.
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You really really are a spoofThreeQuidder said:
Edinburgh Agreement, preamble and section 30.malcolmg said:
Turnip award looming , you may rival Scott in future by the looks of it. Spoofer does not even come close.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.
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They went for an odd message - "no we didn't spend too much, how dare you...but it is now vital we get spending under control and will not promise to reverse any cuts". I think austerity is needed and Osborne has gone too slow, but labour made the error of trying to act like they accepted the need for restraint while ed m clearly didn't actually believe that. It was incoherent politicking.DecrepitJohnL said:
Labour did not make that argument in 2015, which is what a lot of people are complaining about.foxinsoxuk said:
Labour lost that argument in the 2010 election and again in the 2015 election. It looks like being run out again for 2020. I wonder what tbe result will be this time?CarlottaVance said:
The economy in 2010 was in a far poorer position than the one Brown inherited in 1997.DecrepitJohnL said:
The economy's trajectory was up, until Osborne choked off the recovery he inherited.CarlottaVance said:
That couldn't be anything to do with the state of the economy they inherited and its trajectory, could it?DecrepitJohnL said:
It must make Conservatives yearn for the days of Gordon Brown paying off Conservative debt. Brown was also the last Chancellor to run a surplus, but then surpluses were more common under Labour than Conservative governments since the war.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, the only for government debt to decline would be to run a surplus that exceeds interest payments. Given Labour bitched about cutting 'too far and too fast', the claim the deficit hasn't been cut fast enough would seem a shade... incongruous.
Labour need either to genuinely accept the overspending point, not believe it but keep quiet about it and leave the argument to economists and historians while the Tories win this round, or they need to fight it properly - maybe they lose even harder, maybe after another five years people will be willing to hear it after all, but they need to pick.0 -
If you look at Britain's economic history since the War in a dispassionate and non partisan way you will not see any sign that one party is different to the other. You can highlight the first Thatcher administration as having the worst performance by quite some big margin. But that is a big outlier. If you support your team because you think they are better at counting the beans you are living in a dream world.0
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The best summary yet of Brown's time as CoE!Alanbrooke said:
Total idiocyDecrepitJohnL said:
It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.Alanbrooke said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?DecrepitJohnL said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.
it was the over reliance on City revenues which made Brown's spending binge so toxic and caused the severity of the recession.
A balanced economy with spending under control would have recovered much quicker.
When the sun was shining Labour burnt the roof timbers to create more heat.
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People are always able to say the circumstances have changed so they have changed position. How big a change they can get away with depends on popularity of the people proposing the change and what that change is. At some point the SNP will be in a position to do so. Given how popular they are if they wanted they could probably do it now, but the time is not right.Scott_P said:
So the SNP are going to campaign on the slogan "the White paper was a lie"?kle4 said:No one believes that. Believe me I wish it was final. 5-10 years I give it at max.
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That would be pointless. Why hold a referendum (which is supposed to make a decision) if one side won't accept a result that goes against them?kle4 said:
No one believes that. Believe me I wish it was final. 5-10 years I give it at max.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.0 -
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Unfortunate formating in Observer letter from economists in defence of Corbyn:
Corbyn extreme? No
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"the Corbyn campaign reveals that a Labour government led by the MP for Islington North would reserve the right to renationalise Royal Bank of Scotland and other public assets, “with either no compensation or with any undervaluation deducted from any compensation"
Don't know their Human Rights Act, do they.
The resulting court cases and subsequent awards would tie the Government in knots. cost £100s of millions in legal fees AND lend in record £billions in compensation...
Ignorant muppets.
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Spot on and for DJL who doesn't seem to grasp basic budgeting.. Suppose you work for a firm and you are used to getting bonuses every year. The imprudent spend that bonus expecting that bonus to come at the end of the year to pay off their credit card bills.foxinsoxuk said:
The best summary yet of Brown's time as CoE!Alanbrooke said:
Total idiocyDecrepitJohnL said:
It is the collapse of tax revenues from the City that caused the large structural deficit, and not spending beforehand. Banking regulation, for good or ill, was not the cause of the global financial meltdown.Alanbrooke said:
Do you still not know who was in charge of bank regulation ?DecrepitJohnL said:
The crash was global and not caused here. You are in danger of arguing that Gordon Brown was a towering genius who kept Britain safe from the global economic meltdown, only to be undone by a quite separate, homegrown collapse.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, only those with terminal amnesia.
Why is Brown the last chap to run a surplus? Could it be that he initially copied Conservative economic plans, then crashed the economy with the worst recession in history meaning we still have a massive deficit after five years of cuts that were 'too far and too fast'?
You silly sausage.
London was at the time the world's largest financial centre.
it was the over reliance on City revenues which made Brown's spending binge so toxic and caused the severity of the recession.
A balanced economy with spending under control would have recovered much quicker.
When the sun was shining Labour burnt the roof timbers to create more heat.
Does anyone know who the other 40 economists are in the Guardian?
When the bonus does not happen the imprudent is stuffed and that's what happened with Brown.
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On topic, no, Corbyn is unelectable. Even if there is another recession, the following election would be 1992 with knobs on: clinging to nurse for fear of worse. Greece can be fited as an example of the far left gaining power but the right can now also cite it as an example of them bringing chaos on top of austerity.
As for his dodgy connections, it is one thing to talk when there is something to talk about - in Major's cas, it was the IRA who asked for talks - it's quite another to stage a publicity stunt in their favour at a time when they're engaged in an armed campaign against the people and values of the country.0 -
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What's funny is sometimes partisans accept the charcterisation given to them by their opponents, and adjust them to be a strength rather than just refute them outright, or indeed accept to some degree the positives claimed by their opponents but claim the overall package is bad. At its most basic they might even relish the actual difference as not being left or right but one side leading with head and one with heart.Recidivist said:If you look at Britain's economic history since the War in a dispassionate and non partisan way you will not see any sign that one party is different to the other. You can highlight the first Thatcher administration as having the worst performance by quite some big margin. But that is a big outlier. If you support your team because you think they are better at counting the beans you are living in a dream world.
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David Blanchflower professor of economics, Dartmouth and Stirling;foxinsoxuk said:
Does anyone know who the other 40 economists are in the Guardian?
Mariana Mazzucato professor, economics of innovation, Sussex;
Dr Judith Heyer Emeritus Fellow, Somerville College, Oxford,
Grazia Ietto-Gillies, emeritus professor, London South Bank University
Malcolm Walker, emeritus professor, Leeds
Robert Wade, professor, LSE
Michael Burke, economist
Steve Keen, professor, Kingston
Victoria Chick, emeritus professor, UCL
Anna Coote, NEF, personal capacity
Ozlem Onaran, professor, Greenwich
Andrew Cumbers, professor, Glasgow
Tina Roberts, economist
Dr Suzanne J Konzelmann, Birkbeck,
Tanweer Ali, lecturer, New York
John Weeks, professor, SOAS
Marco Veronese Passarella, lecturer, Leeds
Dr Jerome De-Henau, senior lecturer, Open University.
Stefano Lucarelli, professor, Bergamo
Paul Hudson, formerly Universität Wissemburg-Halle
Mario Seccareccia, professor, Ottawa
Dr Pritam Singh, professor, Oxford Brookes
Arturo Hermann, senior research fellow at Istat, Rome
Dr John Roberts, Brunel
Cyrus Bina, professor, Minnesota
Alan Freeman, retired former economist
George Irvin, professor, SOAS
Susan Pashkoff, economist
Radhika Desai, professor, Manitoba
Diego Sánchez-Ancochea, associate professor, Oxford
Guglielmo Forges Davanzati, associate professor, Salento
Jeanette Findlay, senior lecturer, Glasgow
Raphael Kaplinsky, emeritus professor, Open University
John Ross, Socialist Economic Bulletin
Steven Hail, adjunct lecturer, Adelaide
Louis-Philippe Rochon, associate professor, Laurentian
Hilary Wainwright, editor, Red Pepper
Arturo Hermann, senior researcher, ISAE, Rome
Joshua Ryan-Collins, NEF, personal capacity
James Medway, lecturer City University
Alberto Paloni, professor, Glasgow
Dr Mary Roberton, Leeds
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Impressive !! ......getting the Death Star quotation into the first few lines of a Corbyn thread. He may well have a point that he was ahead of his time in talking to these people. There is a leading military officer calling this morning for us to talk to ISIS.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207453/Yes-know-cause-outrage-believe-talk-ISIS-explosive-intervention-led-respected-veteran-led-British-troops-Iraq-War.html0 -
Wasn't it only 35 years ago that 365 economists signed up to attack Thatcher's policies.0
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more difficult when they're still murdering and beating people.david_herdson said:On topic, no, Corbyn is unelectable. Even if there is another recession, the following election would be 1992 with knobs on: clinging to nurse for fear of worse. Greece can be fited as an example of the far left gaining power but the right can now also cite it as an example of them bringing chaos on top of austerity.
As for his dodgy connections, it is one thing to talk when there is something to talk about - in Major's cas, it was the IRA who asked for talks - it's quite another to stage a publicity stunt in their favour at a time when they're engaged in an armed campaign against the people and values of the country.
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Why have the BbC got this before the victims given its an independent enquiry???
"The findings of the Jimmy Savile inquiry are secretly circulating among BBC bosses – but have yet to be shown to victims.
Sources say the long-delayed independent report ‘tears the BBC apart’ and is ‘much worse than expected’. In particular, it is said to show that abuse on the Corporation’s premises was far more widespread than previously feared during the period Savile worked there.
BBC chiefs are also braced for severe criticism over its failure to act on rumours of Savile’s behaviour towards children and young people."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207502/Jimmy-Savile-report-tears-BBC-apart-Victims-fury-findings-secretly-handed-Corporation-bosses.html#ixzz3jclBemzI0 -
Mr. Moses, talk to them?
We could arrange mid-afternoon tea, just after the industrial scale rape, and just before the crucifixion of children in the evening.0 -
It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against. A defeat is merely a delay. Until independence is not popular among a significant portion of the country a political force asking for it will call referendums at some point, how can they not? If they remain popular by or in spite of committing to or leaving the door open to asking the people again, they can.ThreeQuidder said:
That would be pointless. Why hold a referendum (which is supposed to make a decision) if one side won't accept a result that goes against them?kle4 said:
No one believes that. Believe me I wish it was final. 5-10 years I give it at max.ThreeQuidder said:
Why are we still talking about this? There was a referendum that both sides agreed would be final.kle4 said:
I don't think there are really that many people even here who think Scotland couldn't be a successful independent state, though no doubt there are a few, there are more who think it would be more successful within the UK but that's not the same thing even if you think it is wrong.scotslass said:Rather an interesting piece and a refreshing change from many of this sites's posts which would make the rocks weep in despair with their recycled propaganda posing as argument.
However it is rather wasted by being written as a devils argument. TSE clearly doesn't believe that Corbyn ia a danger just wants to provoke the more anxious Tories among us - the ones who have regular nightmares about all sorts of things.
Finally TSE heavily and rather patronisingly underates the strength of presentation of the Scottish independence argument last year. Against a hugely hostile press corps (and Nick Robinson et al) it was done rather well - those on this site who don't accept that an independent Scotland would be a viable and successful state really do need to extend their reading beyond the Daily Telegraph.
And there I think is the key difference. In reaching over and beyond the establishment media I think I would back Salmond in Scotland to do a lot better than Corbyn in the UK. And that I fear, plus the bottomless pit of right wing Labour treachery, will be Jeremy's fall.
On another matter, I did scoff at the idea the Scottish conservatives should change their names, and apparently any unionist transfer votes were minimal, but maybe they really should change their name to the Scottish unionist party or something. It's not like it will hurt them even if it won't help.0 -
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
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Don't agree with it Mr Morris but the point was made and supported by the looks in some areas of the establishment and military You will of course never be able to "talk too" such fanatics but it will strike a chord. It is if you like the approach the Chamberlin took to that nice Mr Hitler and look how that turned out?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Moses, talk to them?
We could arrange mid-afternoon tea, just after the industrial scale rape, and just before the crucifixion of children in the evening.
Personally I am fed up with the pussyfooting around and the hand wringing after every attack saying they will never win. There is only one solution to ISIS of course.0 -
kle4, you would be better talking to a brick. Scott is just a sad SNP hater , not bright enough to take in what you are saying due to his weird fixation.kle4 said:
People are always able to say the circumstances have changed so they have changed position. How big a change they can get away with depends on popularity of the people proposing the change and what that change is. At some point the SNP will be in a position to do so. Given how popular they are if they wanted they could probably do it now, but the time is not right.Scott_P said:
So the SNP are going to campaign on the slogan "the White paper was a lie"?kle4 said:No one believes that. Believe me I wish it was final. 5-10 years I give it at max.
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Don't forget 'throwing Homosexuals from high buildings (with stoning as back up)'Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Moses, talk to them?
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The comments on the article are 'interesting', many contributors from barking, and Bryant has joined them.CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
Or its the BBC playing the 'funding cuts card' to generate public support......
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Another economic illiterate.. Apart from being a loathsome individual he has no grasp that putting contracts out to tender to get value for money is a good thing.CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
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They don't want to talk right now. The ira similarly weren't ready to be talked to. Governments are secretly ready to talk to anyone at some point, but the right moment is important and you need to be firm until then. Corbyn appears to just believe you should try to talk no matter the circumstances, which undercuts your own hand when trying to negotiate. Declare you will definitely end hostilities no matter what beforehand, and you don't get a good deal at the actual peace talks.Moses_ said:Impressive !! ......getting the Death Star quotation into the first few lines of a Corbyn thread. He may well have a point that he was ahead of his time in talking to these people. There is a leading military officer calling this morning for us to talk to ISIS.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207453/Yes-know-cause-outrage-believe-talk-ISIS-explosive-intervention-led-respected-veteran-led-British-troops-Iraq-War.html
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Miss Vance, quite. I wonder if the BBC will be reducing executive/'star' pay to help make ends meet, or just focus on stuff that will catch the public's eye?0 -
Or not bring up the bodies. Corbyn is an odious old fool, unfit to shovel shit...Alanbrooke said:
more difficult when they're still murdering and beating people.david_herdson said:On topic, no, Corbyn is unelectable. Even if there is another recession, the following election would be 1992 with knobs on: clinging to nurse for fear of worse. Greece can be fited as an example of the far left gaining power but the right can now also cite it as an example of them bringing chaos on top of austerity.
As for his dodgy connections, it is one thing to talk when there is something to talk about - in Major's cas, it was the IRA who asked for talks - it's quite another to stage a publicity stunt in their favour at a time when they're engaged in an armed campaign against the people and values of the country.
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Talking implies that you're prepared to come to an arrangement and hence are prepared to make concessions. What possible concessions could reasonably be made to ISIS?Moses_ said:Impressive !! ......getting the Death Star quotation into the first few lines of a Corbyn thread. He may well have a point that he was ahead of his time in talking to these people. There is a leading military officer calling this morning for us to talk to ISIS.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207453/Yes-know-cause-outrage-believe-talk-ISIS-explosive-intervention-led-respected-veteran-led-British-troops-Iraq-War.html
One reason why the talks on N Ireland were possible is that fundamental concessions weren't made by the state; as Sinn Fein said they could have had everything on offer in 1998 back in1973.0 -
Miss Vance, wasn't that Hamas in Gaza? Or did both do it?
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Or simply, the Met Office were outbid by another supplier...CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
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If the BBC are to be heavily criticised isn't it a principle of equities that they get sight of it so they can respond?Moses_ said:Sorry O/T
Why have the BbC got this before the victims given its an independent enquiry???
"The findings of the Jimmy Savile inquiry are secretly circulating among BBC bosses – but have yet to be shown to victims.
Sources say the long-delayed independent report ‘tears the BBC apart’ and is ‘much worse than expected’. In particular, it is said to show that abuse on the Corporation’s premises was far more widespread than previously feared during the period Savile worked there.
BBC chiefs are also braced for severe criticism over its failure to act on rumours of Savile’s behaviour towards children and young people."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207502/Jimmy-Savile-report-tears-BBC-apart-Victims-fury-findings-secretly-handed-Corporation-bosses.html#ixzz3jclBemzI
Basing from the chilcott report doing that, it means this one should be released in10 years or so.
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Indeed - it may even secure a lower bid from the Met Office.....SquareRoot said:
Another economic illiterate.. Apart from being a loathsome individual he has no grasp that putting contracts out to tender to get value for money is a good thing.CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
Or its the BBC playing the 'funding cuts card' to generate public support......
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Back in 2011 my local council as a first approach to making savings threatened to withdraw all the lollipop crossing ladies and men which caused uproar.CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
Or its the BBC playing the 'funding cuts card' to generate public support......
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Who are the alternative providers?dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
The BBC's online weather system is atrocious in terms of both accuracy of data and implementation. The experience of using their complaints system (which I used to tell them of a problem with their weather system) is something that Douglas Adams would have rejected as being too improbable.
Basically: it's not fit for purpose. Whether that's the BBC's fault, the Met Office's, or both, I cannot tell.0 -
Tying two of this morning's themes together, it is hard to see how "rebalancing the economy" can be achieved without an "active state".0
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Oh 'active states' certainly 'rebalance the economy' - just look at Zimbabwe or Venezuela.....DecrepitJohnL said:Tying two of this morning's themes together, it is hard to see how "rebalancing the economy" can be achieved without an "active state".
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Review may be up today or in a few days, but for those into classical history I can recommend James Romm's Ghost on the Throne, covering the years immediately after Alexander's death.0
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Everything is connected. Will the government make up the drop in Met Office income?CarlottaVance said:
Indeed - it may even secure a lower bid from the Met Office.....SquareRoot said:
Another economic illiterate.. Apart from being a loathsome individual he has no grasp that putting contracts out to tender to get value for money is a good thing.CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
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Coming soon weather forecasts for Crab Air to be provided from Chile.0
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Labour leadership contest: They think it's all over... and it's all Ed Miliband's fault
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/labour-leadership-contest-they-think-its-all-over-and-its-all-ed-milibands-fault-10467340.html0 -
There is also the infighting as the list SNP MSP's try to become constituency MSP's. All those new members actually wanting to make choices that the old guard in the local party committees don't want to get.Scott_P said:
Not really.Morris_Dancer said:the SNP has had two competent leaders in a row.
Eck had a "once in a lifetime" opportunity, on the date of his choosing, with his choice of wording, in the most benign financial and political climate imaginable, and managed to blow it.
Nicola inherits all the crises initiated on his watch.
Police Scotland. Education, at all levels, in crisis.
And Swinney
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Everything is connected. Except, in your mind, Labour's economic illiteracy and the economic crash ...DecrepitJohnL said:
Everything is connected. Will the government make up the drop in Met Office income?CarlottaVance said:
Indeed - it may even secure a lower bid from the Met Office.....SquareRoot said:
Another economic illiterate.. Apart from being a loathsome individual he has no grasp that putting contracts out to tender to get value for money is a good thing.CarlottaVance said:
Chris Bryant MP tweets: It's difficult not to feel that the Met Office have lost the BBC contract thanks to Osborne assault on funding. Classic Tory own goal.dr_spyn said:Odd decision by BBC to drop Met Office.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785
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Perhaps but it means the BBC can have all there arguments / defences sorted before the victims even see the report. No doubt the victims will see it only when the findings appear in the press and victims associations will be asked to give views right away. Meanwhile the BBC has plenty of time to prepare.kle4 said:
If the BBC are to be heavily criticised isn't it a principle of equities that they get sight of it so they can respond?Moses_ said:Sorry O/T
Why have the BbC got this before the victims given its an independent enquiry???
"The findings of the Jimmy Savile inquiry are secretly circulating among BBC bosses – but have yet to be shown to victims.
Sources say the long-delayed independent report ‘tears the BBC apart’ and is ‘much worse than expected’. In particular, it is said to show that abuse on the Corporation’s premises was far more widespread than previously feared during the period Savile worked there.
BBC chiefs are also braced for severe criticism over its failure to act on rumours of Savile’s behaviour towards children and young people."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207502/Jimmy-Savile-report-tears-BBC-apart-Victims-fury-findings-secretly-handed-Corporation-bosses.html#ixzz3jclBemzI
Basing from the chilcott report doing that, it means this one should be released in10 years or so.0 -
Agreed. See my previous post to Mr Morris.david_herdson said:
Talking implies that you're prepared to come to an arrangement and hence are prepared to make concessions. What possible concessions could reasonably be made to ISIS?Moses_ said:Impressive !! ......getting the Death Star quotation into the first few lines of a Corbyn thread. He may well have a point that he was ahead of his time in talking to these people. There is a leading military officer calling this morning for us to talk to ISIS.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207453/Yes-know-cause-outrage-believe-talk-ISIS-explosive-intervention-led-respected-veteran-led-British-troops-Iraq-War.html
One reason why the talks on N Ireland were possible is that fundamental concessions weren't made by the state; as Sinn Fein said they could have had everything on offer in 1998 back in1973.0 -
I plead guilty to "old school" .... bring back Wackford Squeers.foxinsoxuk said:
Men in white coats with straightjackets are rather old school.JackW said:I see PB has entered silly season ....
One must praise TSE for putting together such an entertainingly enjoyable narrative on this charming late summer early morning.
However as the gentleman in white coats glide effortlessly toward Chez TSE armed with a screen grab as incontrovertible proof on insanity, let us collectively remember him in his pomp :
Recall those salad days as he danced election nights away in those red shoes and sequin encrusted lycra shorts quoting tracts of ancient history as Con GAIN flashed over our screens and he poured forth on the finer details of upcoming AV threads mixed in with oblique references to pop hits of the 1970's and 80's.
We shall remember him ....
The modern fashion is for deluded people to be looked after outside institutions, somewhere where they have a little company and pleasant diversion. It is known as "Social Media".
And are you suggesting that "Jeremy Corbyn will never be Prime Minister"?
On the prime ministerial and government aspirations of Messr J Corbyn & N Palmer Esq I must point out it's more likely that OGH might never refer again to a minor betting coup relating to the election of 44th President of the United States.
That unlikely.
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Mr. W, but not as unlikely as the the markets had Button winning the 2009 Drivers' title
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The BBC refused to say who the remaining bidders were, insisting the tender process was ‘ongoing’, but they are thought to be Metra, an offshoot of the New Zealand national forecasting service and Meteo, a collaboration between the Press Association, based in the UK, and the Dutch national weather service.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207392/Met-Office-fury-BBC-gives-contract-worth-millions-foreigners.html#ixzz3jcufXbiG0 -
Umm, there's more
Kids Company helped scores of immigrants stay in UK on benefits and arranged private sex-change against NHS doctors advice
Kids Company spent public money helping immigrants and on surgery
A 207-page report from 2013 states that between March 2011 - March 2013 charity helped 123 people with 'immigration issues' by paying legal bills
Sources also say gender reassignment surgery, funded by one of the charity’s private donors, was organised after NHS refused to carry it out
It also doled out £60,000 to Oxford University graduate over past 2 years
Follows revelations founder Camila Batmanghelidjh had a 'personal private swimming pool' in a £5,000-a-month mansion paid for from charity's funds
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207460/Kids-Company-helped-scores-immigrants-stay-UK-benefits-arranged-private-sex-change-against-NHS-doctors-advice.html#ixzz3jcuOeFpZ0 -
I think Jezza should do a citizen's arrest on Blair. That would show he really means business.0
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Ruth is desperate to cling to the wreckage of the sub regional Tory lifeboat, making sure she gets the only lifejacketOchEye said:
There is also the infighting as the list SNP MSP's try to become constituency MSP's. All those new members actually wanting to make choices that the old guard in the local party committees don't want to get.Scott_P said:
Not really.Morris_Dancer said:the SNP has had two competent leaders in a row.
Eck had a "once in a lifetime" opportunity, on the date of his choosing, with his choice of wording, in the most benign financial and political climate imaginable, and managed to blow it.
Nicola inherits all the crises initiated on his watch.
Police Scotland. Education, at all levels, in crisis.
And Swinney
Also, not being widely reported, is the disappearing Conservative party. A lot of them are standing down while regarded Gavin Brown is leaving for better opportunities. Ruth Davidson's move from Glasgow to Edinburgh doesn't seem to be popular within the party stalwarts.0 -
The Corbynistas have right and democracy on their side. Ed Miliband threw open the leadership contest to trade union members and anyone who paid £3. They, and party members, can have a full vote on equal terms. It was a democratic impulse, partly designed to weaken the influence of the trade union machines. But it made no difference. Last time, 211,000 trade unionists voted, making up 33 per cent of the vote, as a separate section of Labour’s antique (although it dated only from 1981) electoral college. This time 190,000 trade unionists have signed up, accounting for 31 per cent of the total.
CarlottaVance said:Labour leadership contest: They think it's all over... and it's all Ed Miliband's fault
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/labour-leadership-contest-they-think-its-all-over-and-its-all-ed-milibands-fault-10467340.html0 -
They were also claiming to help upwards of 16000 vulnerable children. It appears it was somewhat less than 500.Plato said:Umm, there's more
Kids Company helped scores of immigrants stay in UK on benefits and arranged private sex-change against NHS doctors advice
Kids Company spent public money helping immigrants and on surgery
A 207-page report from 2013 states that between March 2011 - March 2013 charity helped 123 people with 'immigration issues' by paying legal bills
Sources also say gender reassignment surgery, funded by one of the charity’s private donors, was organised after NHS refused to carry it out
It also doled out £60,000 to Oxford University graduate over past 2 years
Follows revelations founder Camila Batmanghelidjh had a 'personal private swimming pool' in a £5,000-a-month mansion paid for from charity's funds
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207460/Kids-Company-helped-scores-immigrants-stay-UK-benefits-arranged-private-sex-change-against-NHS-doctors-advice.html#ixzz3jcuOeFpZ
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The BBC is doing its' moral duty by dumping the Met Office after the latter disgracefully provided a public forecast of rain for the fourth and fifth days of the 5th Test Match, thereby giving vital intelligence to the Australian team that then applied the follow-on to our brave fellows.
Huzzah for patriotic BBC.CarlottaVance said:The BBC refused to say who the remaining bidders were, insisting the tender process was ‘ongoing’, but they are thought to be Metra, an offshoot of the New Zealand national forecasting service and Meteo, a collaboration between the Press Association, based in the UK, and the Dutch national weather service.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207392/Met-Office-fury-BBC-gives-contract-worth-millions-foreigners.html#ixzz3jcufXbiG0 -
Mandy advising the EU on how to keep us in.
Sort of makes you want to vote out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11817263/Peter-Mandelson-advising-EU-on-stopping-British-exit.html0 -
Piers Corbyn does weather forecasts...0
