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The front page of today's "I" sums up Labour's crisis pic.twitter.com/A8HSVmtAoK
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"Things can only get bitter..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7488359/British-Airways-strike-The-rise-of-Red-Len-McCluskey.html
"I will set out a clear strategy designed to reconstruct the Labour Party so that it speaks with our voice and is committed to our values," he says.
He has spoken of "reclaiming the Labour Party for our class", and told the Morning Star that he would, in the paper's words, "finance Unite members to take over constituency Labour Parties".
The union grouping Mr McCluskey represents, United Left, says its purpose is the "achievement of a socialist economic, social and political system, by means of both parliamentary and extra-parliamentary approaches".
Principled
Corbyn: 81%
Cooper: 37%
Burnham: 35%
Kendall: 24%
Honest
Corbyn: 73%
Burnham: 37%
Cooper: 37%
Kendall: 24%
Courageous
Corbyn: 56%
Cooper: 20%
Kendall: 18%
Burnham: 17%
Shares my politics
Corbyn: 53%
Burnham: 23%
Cooper: 21%
Kendall: 9%
Strong
Corbyn: 43%
Cooper: 35%
Burnham: 28%
Kendall: 17%
Competent
Cooper: 61%
Burnham: 53%
Corbyn: 38%
Kendall: 23%
Likely to win in 2020
Corbyn: 26%
Burnham: 26%
Cooper: 21%
Kendall: 7%
No positive attributes
Kendall: 38%
Burnham: 19%
Cooper: 16%
Corbyn: 6%
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/blogs/peter-kellner/why-jeremy-corbyns-supporters-dont-care-about-winning
"Humans represent the most obscene, perverted, cruel, uncivilised and lethal species ever to inhabit the planet and looks forward to the day when the inevitable asteroid slams into the earth and wipes them out thus giving nature the opportunity to start again."
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2003-04/1255
(^_-)
Maybe that's subconscious lefty code meaning that he's a thicko who hasn't got a clue about any details? He just knows a few lefty slogans of the type which are enough to get a rebellious backbencher on TV, but not enough to build proper policies for being LOTO or PM.
Although if Corbyn is elected leader, the party might face apocalypse now through a grand illusion. The Blairites might find they were expendable. Will Corbyn form a cabinet of the dirty dozen (the only MPs who will support him), or will the cabinet be platoon-sized?
In fact, would a Corbyn-led party be a bunch of inglorious basterds?
Diane Abbott (fanatical left - "white people love playing divide and rule")
Ronnie Campbell (leftie disgusted by blairites)
Richard Burgon (hard leftie)
Dennis Skinner (veteran left)
Jon Trickett (leftie)
Kelvin Hopkins (eurosceptic and homoeopathy support, so probably crazy leftie)
Imran Hussain (at a corbyn rally introduced corbyn as "next PM")
John McDonnell ('would swim through vomit to oppose sickening welfare bill')
Grahame Morris (“a very strong prospect” of Mr Corbyn winning the contest)
Michael Meacher ("The arrogance and intolerance of the Blairites is breathtaking." his blog)
Cat Smith ("Prior to entering Parliament she worked for Jeremy Corbyn MP" wikipedia)
Plus any non-supporters who bite their tongue, hold their nose and serve their rebellious leader loyally against their best judgement.
Would Umunna now be getting an Umunnagasm of support?
Or would Andy Burnham be the lefty grassroots favourite?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11796735/Jeremy-Corbyns-shadow-cabinet-who-could-serve.html
OH Look they say to Labour HQ. We have just found in one day another 97,000 to register. Fancy that what a surprise. ....
Those who thought political insanity and mass delusion was purely a Scottish phenomenon are going to have to recalibrate.
The old order is passing, across Western democracies. What will the new order bring?
All labour pigeons are coming home to roost.
People asking why Brown is not speaking out should consider that this whole process is working out pretty well for him.
SN: But let me understand what you stand for and (what) your attitude is, for example, towards the IRA? Are you sympathetic to what they were doing?
JC: My point was always that there had to be a political peace process to avoid the violence, to avoid the bloodshed and avoid the deaths. It was that whole direction I wanted things moved in and, as I said earlier, the great achievement of the two ceasefires and then the Belfast Agreement is something that we can all move forward on.
SN: But do you condemn what the IRA did?
JC: I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened.
SN: The question is do you condemn what the IRA did?
JC: Look I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides as well. What happened in Derry in 1972 was pretty devastating as well.
SN: Do you distinguish between State forces like the British Army and the IRA?
JC: Well in a sense the treatment of IRA prisoners which made them into virtual political prisoners suggested that the British government and the State saw some kind of almost equivalency. My point is that the whole violence was terrible, was appalling, and came out of a process that had been allowed to fester in Northern Ireland for a very long time and surely we can move on a bit and look towards the achievements of the peace process in moving things forward.
SN: But if you are a potential candidate for the Prime Minister of the UK Jeremy it is fair for me to push you one more time. Are you prepared to condemn what the IRA did?
JC: What it is fair to push me on is how we take the peace process forward
SN: Are you prepared to condemn what the IRA did?
JC Can I answer the question in this way? We gained ceasefires, they were important and a huge step forward. Those ceasefires brought about the peace process, brought about the reconciliation process which we should all be pleased about. Can we take the thing forward rather than backward?
SN: Are you refusing to condemn what the IRA did?
JC: (RAILWAY NOISE) Sorry I couldn't hear that
SN: (more noise) Are you refusing to condemn what the IRA did?
JC: I feel we will have to do this later you know (NOISE STOPS)
SN: Well let me just ask you this last question while it is quiet there. Are you refusing to condemn what the IRA did? (line goes dead)
Its been labour pandering and flirting with these guys. Compare Camerons dealing with UKIP and his 'loony fruitcake' comment, with Miliband rushing to Russell Brands side.
The activist left are without doubt passionate, they are also organised. Labour opening up their voting to them is utter madness.
But surely, just like the irrational fury and contempt poured on Cameron under the line in the Telegraph, this ultimately means very little?
As I said previously, this isn't the equivalent of the Tories choosing IDS. It's the equivalent of choosing Teresa Gorman or Harvey Proctor.
"MP iscariot threatens betrayal on day 1"
Don't forget the Ice Pixie is going to call him [drumroll] Unelectable! today
Besides, Labour doesn't to coups.
I also wouldn't be quite so sanguine about Labourgeddon in 2020 - we've seen in Scotland how far populist economic illiteracy can carry you.....
They barely voted for a son of the manse. They didn't vote for weird Ed. Why would they vote for an Islington beardy?
Labour party is saying that they are concerned that only genuine Labour people will vote in this election. Well, how do you define a GENUINE Labour person - they may not have voted for Labour this May because they did not like EdM, but feel that Corbyn represents genuine Labour. Are they expecting to see a track record of voting Labour and for how many years or a defined time of being a Labour member (which would include most members - who have not opted out - of the unions that back Labour financially)?
Do they wish to eliminate the floating voters who wish to support Corbyn but not the other three.
Also now the Electoral Reform Society has asked for the election to be stopped - but has not put forward a good and valid reason.
I see FPT that some think that "Iran is a more inclusive democracy" for instance. Well of course JC has shilled for Iran's propaganda TV station, Press TV. So in a few weeks we could have as Leader of the official Opposition a man who has appeared on the propaganda arm of a country which ordered the murder of a British citizen. A British citizen our security services then had to spend years and much money protecting.
I've lapped up as much as I dare. I've even been using my credit card.
Mr. Abroad, Buddha's a nice guy but his Defence policy is complacent.
So people who are confidently predicting the effect of a Corbyn leadership - good or bad - either know a lot more than I do or are simply deluding themselves.
From now on my working assumption is going to be that neither I nor anybody else knows anything.
And what happens if/when there is an Islamist atrocity targeted at a synagogue, as has happened in Belgium, cheered on by his Hamas "friends" and JC finds himself unable - as with the IRA - to condemn it? Might your Facebook friends wake up then?
I agree with you that UKIP would be better off as a political party rather than the cult of Farage [I know some Kippers want him out too, but he's clearly the predominant figure by a long way].
Several polls all point in the same direction. Polls can be wrong but never by this margin. The surge in membership has to be prompted by something. It certainly isn't a rush of ex-Blair centrists returning to save their party. They no longer see it as their party - why would they? By contrast, there's a class of people who sign every petition against the government and Like every Facebook post from 38 degrees. This is who Corbyn and the unions have engaged. For £3, you can see why. His is the voice of that movement. Burnham and Cooper are the voice of a scared SpAdocracy. The unions are pushing hard for Corbyn.
On the effect of a Corbyn leadership, that is, of course, far more open to doubt. He has, after all, absolutely no experience and we have nothing to go on except his record as a backbencher. However, what is absolutely clear is that there is a massive division between the PLP and the activist base - indeed, one so large it's unprecedented in British political history. MPs might talk about a coup against him but how? What is to prevent him from winning again? (Nominations won't be an issue second time round).
This is a sea-change in British politics.
NobodyEverybody expects the Corbynquisition.....Latest person to be barred from voting:
Mark Steel
Looooooooooooooolz
This barring is going to make Labour's situation even worse.
That's right , he is completely deluded , a real Don Quioxe and Fantasists ...he's a Peter Pan -like figure whose politics have never grown up ...he's the very same student Union type from the failed 1970's promoting ideas that seem ''new'' to gormless people trapped in the prison of the present ...if I had not seen this with my very own eyes I simply would not have believed it possible
If you want to know why we are where we are , you have to go back to Brown and what he did with his henchmen...and why there are no senior Barites left. Why have they all gone?
That's why the candidates list is so poor.
What's the reason?
If it prospers, none dare call it treason.....
I think a Corbyn-led, anti-austerity Labour Party will do better in Wales & Scotland & London 2016 than the alternatives (a Cooper or Burnham led party). So, I’d expect Labour to tighten their grip on Wales, and begin to recover slowly in Scotland. What happens in 2020 is too far ahead to predict with any certainty.
The Guardian have re-opened comments on Tony Blair’s article. There are already 110 pages of rage and anger.
Could this become the largest outpouring of mass hatred & bile on the web?
And this is just the start of the digging into his decades of Parly votes.
Talk about humourless and OTT. I notice Lembit didn't sign it