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I don’t know how seriously to take this move by the prominent, and highly lucid, Harvard law professor who wants to become president and then stand down after getting effective campaign finance reforms enacted.

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  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    edited August 2015
    Evening.

    And first.

    I can see an attack on funding could work here in UK. I don't know if USA has the same distain for wealth in politics.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,742
    So, Sanders is 7 points ahead in New Hampshire now.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    It really depends on if that video goes viral. 30,000 views in two days is not bad, but it needs to be shared by someone prominent on Twitter, some leftist icon in the US. Their equivalent to Russell Brand.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    He has held no elected office and has no name recognition nor is he is a billionaire, so unlikely, however if his movement merged with Sanders' it could help the latter's campaign which as today's NH poll showed is beginning to see a mini-Corbyn style surge
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    AndyJS said:

    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

    Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    Why doesn't he just get behind Sanders, rather than potentially splitting activists off? Grr
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    IDS went to University of Perugia language school for a few months, so it seems the Corbyn IDS comparisons are not just ideological. However, not getting a degree is no bar to the top job, as Major, Callaghan and Churchill proved
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,886
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    We did the Chauncey Gardner thing to death about 5 threads back....
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

    Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.
    China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

    The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    As Thatcher once said (albeit in Spitting Image)...

    "The Right Honourable Gentleman may be a cretinous buffoon, but he is just the kind of tiny-willied drooling vegetable this country needs in opposition."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,967
    Well, Lessig has been talking about this for years. Certainly will hit Hillary more than any other candidate.

    It seems to me though that we are seeing a new breed of candidate, both in UK and USA, riding a wave of social media activism.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,967
    HYUFD said:

    He has held no elected office and has no name recognition nor is he is a billionaire, so unlikely, however if his movement merged with Sanders' it could help the latter's campaign which as today's NH poll showed is beginning to see a mini-Corbyn style surge

    Lessig is well known in geek circles. Not sure that helps mind you.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    The democrats have a long way till they fill 17 candidates like the Republicans, with Lessig they got a good start of filling those slots with the 1-2% support.

    I have to show you this video because it is precisely what you need to understand why people like Trump and Sanders are in the lead and why people like Kasich are nowhere:

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2gcg7z/democalypse-2016---focus--boy--focus

    Politics over there is a TV show, if you are boring you lose, if you are interesting you win.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    This is from the political editor of the New Statesman:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/631523371641999360
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    But how awful are the other Labour candidates that they haven't been able to expose his weaknesses?

    Just look at his profile and record - it make Syrzia look moderate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

    Yet the rival Labour candidates have seemingly only woken up to his victory being a real threat *this week*, and on the same day ballot registration closed, and are still struggling to lay a glove on him.

    WTF?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    This is from the political editor of the New Statesman:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/631523371641999360


    Crikey. Hard to see how Corbyn can lose from there. This is really happening.

    Politics is about to become much more interesting and combative, which is good, and Labour are about to mutilate themselves, possibly forever, which is also good.
    After today he's certainly got my vote, I'm really angry with those Labour MP's who are moaning and trying to cancel the election because no one votes for their guy.

    Today they have turned me into an angry voter who wants to kick their arse.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Casino_Royale said:

    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    But how awful are the other Labour candidates that they haven't been able to expose his weaknesses?

    Just look at his profile and record - it make Syrzia look moderate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

    Yet the rival Labour candidates have seemingly only woken up to his victory being a real threat *this week*, and on the same day ballot registration closed, and are still struggling to lay a glove on him.

    WTF?
    How can they shout out that a fellow Labour MP is thick?
    SeanT has quite a valid point. Corbyn is an idiot, useful to some. But additionally his thick headed philosophy is quite nasty.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    This is from the political editor of the New Statesman:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/631523371641999360


    Crikey. Hard to see how Corbyn can lose from there. This is really happening.

    Politics is about to become much more interesting and combative, which is good, and Labour are about to mutilate themselves, possibly forever, which is also good.
    And yet still available @ over 1.4 on Betfair. How much longer will the goodies be available for shrewd punters to gobble up there from others who just can't believe their eyes?

    1.15-1.20 should be a sensible price tonight. This is now an open and shut case.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    Interesting that Corbyn's personal vote in Islington North this year was nearly 10 percentage points lower than in 1997. There haven't been any significant boundary changes since then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,886
    Corbyn has shown up the other three as being Billy No-mates in this contest. Hard to know if they have been totally blind-sided by the union effort, or just had no answer to it. But I can see Corbyn 65%, Burnham 15%, Cooper 15%, Kendall 5% being a likely outcome.

    This election is an object lesson in why you should never, EVER take pity on your political opponent.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    IDS went to University of Perugia language school for a few months, so it seems the Corbyn IDS comparisons are not just ideological. However, not getting a degree is no bar to the top job, as Major, Callaghan and Churchill proved
    Corbyn is much further to the Left than IDS is to the Right, I'd say.
    Depends on what issue, most voters back rail renationalisation for instance
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Casino_Royale said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    This is from the political editor of the New Statesman:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/631523371641999360


    Crikey. Hard to see how Corbyn can lose from there. This is really happening.

    Politics is about to become much more interesting and combative, which is good, and Labour are about to mutilate themselves, possibly forever, which is also good.
    And yet still available @ over 1.4 on Betfair. How much longer will the goodies be available for shrewd punters to gobble up there from others who just can't believe their eyes?

    1.15-1.20 should be a sensible price tonight. This is now an open and shut case.
    I don't think his price will go below 1.3 on Betfair because a lot of people can't believe what's happening and I don't blame them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    He has held no elected office and has no name recognition nor is he is a billionaire, so unlikely, however if his movement merged with Sanders' it could help the latter's campaign which as today's NH poll showed is beginning to see a mini-Corbyn style surge

    Lessig is well known in geek circles. Not sure that helps mind you.
    Yes, since when was the geek vote decisive?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    Speedy said:

    The democrats have a long way till they fill 17 candidates like the Republicans, with Lessig they got a good start of filling those slots with the 1-2% support.

    I have to show you this video because it is precisely what you need to understand why people like Trump and Sanders are in the lead and why people like Kasich are nowhere:

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2gcg7z/democalypse-2016---focus--boy--focus

    Politics over there is a TV show, if you are boring you lose, if you are interesting you win.

    It is not that different here, though boring candidates can sometimes win, Bush Snr, John Major, Carter, Heath etc
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    flightpath01 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    But how awful are the other Labour candidates that they haven't been able to expose his weaknesses?

    Just look at his profile and record - it make Syrzia look moderate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

    Yet the rival Labour candidates have seemingly only woken up to his victory being a real threat *this week*, and on the same day ballot registration closed, and are still struggling to lay a glove on him.

    WTF?
    How can they shout out that a fellow Labour MP is thick?
    SeanT has quite a valid point. Corbyn is an idiot, useful to some. But additionally his thick headed philosophy is quite nasty.
    Indeed his biography is not impressive, he never got a proper job, National Union this National Union that, doesn't look good.
    He was out of the loop though, never being a SPAD or a minister, that means no baggage from the New Labour years.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    rottenborough said:

    Well, Lessig has been talking about this for years. Certainly will hit Hillary more than any other candidate.

    It seems to me though that we are seeing a new breed of candidate, both in UK and USA, riding a wave of social media activism.

    Don't be silly.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The democrats have a long way till they fill 17 candidates like the Republicans, with Lessig they got a good start of filling those slots with the 1-2% support.

    I have to show you this video because it is precisely what you need to understand why people like Trump and Sanders are in the lead and why people like Kasich are nowhere:

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2gcg7z/democalypse-2016---focus--boy--focus

    Politics over there is a TV show, if you are boring you lose, if you are interesting you win.

    It is not that different here, though boring candidates can sometimes win, Bush Snr, John Major, Carter, Heath etc
    Bush Snr. won only because he was VP to Reagan.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,234
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    IDS went to University of Perugia language school for a few months, so it seems the Corbyn IDS comparisons are not just ideological. However, not getting a degree is no bar to the top job, as Major, Callaghan and Churchill proved
    Corbyn is much further to the Left than IDS is to the Right, I'd say.
    Depends on what issue, most voters back rail renationalisation for instance
    I think the RMT Union are doing a good job of dispelling that attitude. Also by 2020 most franchises will have been renewed so it isn't even an option in the short term
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting that Corbyn's personal vote in Islington North this year was nearly 10 percentage points lower than in 1997. There haven't been any significant boundary changes since then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

    The trajectory is interesting, his low point was 2005, he's being increasing it since then.
    I can't find many constituencies where there was a swing to Labour in 2010 outside of scotland, so that something.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Financier said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

    Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.
    China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

    The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.
    I have a memory that a WW1 (I think) munitions ship explosion in Halifax Nova Scotia was the biggest non nuclear man made explosion ever.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Riddle me this PB:

    Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,113
    Corbyn is the only candidate I can remember actually doing anything this election. I thought Yvette might come out with something interesting, Burnham. How the hell was he odds on at one point ?!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The IBM PC was launched 34 years ago today.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Surely the only Harvard law professor who could trouble Hillary is Elizabeth Warren.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    flightpath01 said:

    Financier said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

    Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.
    China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

    The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.
    I have a memory that a WW1 (I think) munitions ship explosion in Halifax Nova Scotia was the biggest non nuclear man made explosion ever.
    In December 1917
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    The democrats have a long way till they fill 17 candidates like the Republicans, with Lessig they got a good start of filling those slots with the 1-2% support.

    I have to show you this video because it is precisely what you need to understand why people like Trump and Sanders are in the lead and why people like Kasich are nowhere:

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2gcg7z/democalypse-2016---focus--boy--focus

    Politics over there is a TV show, if you are boring you lose, if you are interesting you win.

    It is not that different here, though boring candidates can sometimes win, Bush Snr, John Major, Carter, Heath etc
    Bush Snr. won only because he was VP to Reagan.
    And his opponent was Dukakis
  • isamisam Posts: 42,619
    edited August 2015
    Anyone else watch the BBC Storyville on Himmler?

    The juxtaposition of reading his letters to his daughter w the clips of the firing squad were quite disturbing... ISIS are quite SS like methinks
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    Pulpstar said:

    Corbyn is the only candidate I can remember actually doing anything this election. I thought Yvette might come out with something interesting, Burnham. How the hell was he odds on at one point ?!

    Burnham still polls the highest of the 4 amongst the public outside Scotland
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    AndyJS said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    This is from the political editor of the New Statesman:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/631523371641999360


    Crikey. Hard to see how Corbyn can lose from there. This is really happening.

    Politics is about to become much more interesting and combative, which is good, and Labour are about to mutilate themselves, possibly forever, which is also good.
    And yet still available @ over 1.4 on Betfair. How much longer will the goodies be available for shrewd punters to gobble up there from others who just can't believe their eyes?

    1.15-1.20 should be a sensible price tonight. This is now an open and shut case.
    I don't think his price will go below 1.3 on Betfair because a lot of people can't believe what's happening and I don't blame them.
    I'm waiting to see what Cooper says tomorrow.

    I don't expect her to pull out but it's a possibility.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,272
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    IDS went to University of Perugia language school for a few months, so it seems the Corbyn IDS comparisons are not just ideological. However, not getting a degree is no bar to the top job, as Major, Callaghan and Churchill proved
    Corbyn is much further to the Left than IDS is to the Right, I'd say.
    Depends on what issue, most voters back rail renationalisation for instance
    I think the RMT Union are doing a good job of dispelling that attitude. Also by 2020 most franchises will have been renewed so it isn't even an option in the short term
    Parliament is sovereign so in effect if it has a majority in Parliament the government could nationalise the railways tomorrow, though practically it may take longer. Issues like higher taxes on the rich also see Corbyn on the same side as public opinion, even if the public oppose him on welfare and immigration and action against ISIS
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    GIN1138 said:

    Riddle me this PB:

    Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?

    Well he's not very popular even inside the Labour party.
    If his aim is to damage Labour he might end up taking those Blairites who voted Tory in the last election instead.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    GIN1138 said:

    Riddle me this PB:

    Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?

    Like a kind of sweaty octopus trying to undo a bra

    TTOI
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    I don't know about thick, but he certainly seems to be out of touch when it comes to things like telephony. He said in an interview on Andrew Marr that we all have one phone line coming into our houses.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    Tim_B said:

    The IBM PC was launched 34 years ago today.

    Republicans and Thacherites should make a pedestal for it.
    If it wasn't for the PC and car fuel efficiency increases then the 80's would have been as horrid as the 70's, those 2 boosted productivity and reduced fuel consumption by so much that their economic policies appeared to work well.

    Goodnight.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    http://hipsterttoi.tumblr.com/image/36988708671
  • isamisam Posts: 42,619
    If a lot of the entryists are extreme lefties that want to drag Labour that way, I don't think they can be called entryists really can they? They want a left wing opposition that has a better chance of winning than the greens or the SWP

    How many of the new members are Tories do we reckon? 10% Lower?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,089
    Financier said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

    Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.
    China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

    The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.
    flightpath01 said:

    Financier said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sad news from China:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

    Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.
    China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

    The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.
    I have a memory that a WW1 (I think) munitions ship explosion in Halifax Nova Scotia was the biggest non nuclear man made explosion ever.
    There's a large crater near where I was raised at a place called Fauldm which is one of the largest conventional explosions, and the UK's largest. It converted farmland into a moonscape:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Fauld_explosion

    And when I see an explosion at a chemical works, I think of the tragedy at Flixborough, amongst others:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flixborough_disaster
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Corbyn now in to 1.34
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Meanwhile, the Hillary Clinton email scandal has ratcheted up a notch.

    Two of her emails were found to contain classified material rated 'Top Secret', the next to highest rating.

    After months of refusing, she has now surrendered her private server to the FBI, along with three thumb drives of emails held by her lawyer.

    At the least, this reinforces her already underwater numbers on trust and honesty, and depending what the FBI finds, this could conceivably be nuclear for her campaign.

    Her campaign continues to insist that she 'is not a target' of the investigation.

    This story will run and run.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    GIN1138 said:

    Riddle me this PB:

    Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?

    Why would he want to do that? Presuming he will fail or working toward bringing down Corbyn if he does somehow win, and aiding those left to pick up the pieces, seems a far better option for him to safeguard his legacy in the party than cutting and running.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,089
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The IBM PC was launched 34 years ago today.

    Republicans and Thacherites should make a pedestal for it.
    If it wasn't for the PC and car fuel efficiency increases then the 80's would have been as horrid as the 70's, those 2 boosted productivity and reduced fuel consumption by so much that their economic policies appeared to work well.

    Goodnight.
    All thanks to Don Estridge, RIP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Don_Estridge
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/petermannionmp/status/631564476454707200
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,066
    edited August 2015
    The antifrank thread was one of the oddest I've read on PB. Normally you can see where most people are coming from and why. That was so unpredictable I'm starting to wonder whether Corbyn might be politics answer to magic mushrooms.....


    Legg'd like a man! and his fins like arms! Warm, o' my
    troth! I do now let loose my opinion, hold it no longer: this is no
    fish, but an islander, that hath lately suffer'd by a thunder-bolt.
    Alas, the storm is come again! My best way is to creep
    under his gaberdine; there is no other shelter hereabout: misery
    acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. I will here shroud till the
    dregs of the storm be past.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    edited August 2015
    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

    Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    JosiasJessop said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The IBM PC was launched 34 years ago today.

    Republicans and Thacherites should make a pedestal for it.
    If it wasn't for the PC and car fuel efficiency increases then the 80's would have been as horrid as the 70's, those 2 boosted productivity and reduced fuel consumption by so much that their economic policies appeared to work well.

    Goodnight.
    All thanks to Don Estridge, RIP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Don_Estridge
    I remember going to Computerland and seeing the IBM PC next to the Apple Lisa.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited August 2015
    President Jimmy Carter has liver cancer

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/12/former-president-jimmy-carter-reveals-he-has-cancer.html
  • isamisam Posts: 42,619
    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Is the opening paragraph supposed to be symbolic of the second?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    isam said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Is the opening paragraph supposed to be symbolic of the second?
    LOL.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Roger said:

    The antifrank thread was one of the oddest I've read on PB. Normally you can see where most people are coming from and why. That was so unpredictable I'm starting to wonder whether Corbyn might be politics answer to magic mushrooms.....


    Legg'd like a man! and his fins like arms! Warm, o' my
    troth! I do now let loose my opinion, hold it no longer: this is no
    fish, but an islander, that hath lately suffer'd by a thunder-bolt.
    [Thunder.] Alas, the storm is come again! My best way is to creep
    under his gaberdine; there is no other shelter hereabout: misery
    acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. I will here shroud till the
    dregs of the storm be past.

    my soul mate Roger
    Corbyn stretches your todger
    as Blair banks his cheques

    bit of a haiku - !7 syllables.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    SeanT said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    On the other hand if, after all this excitement, Corbyn ends up losing I will be most disappointed on a personal-entertainment-basis. Boo.
    Come now, it's all about the journey, not the destination, is it not? Think of all those poor pundits and bloggers who were going to have to come up with something even vaguely interesting to keep the political anoraks sated over the course of the summer. I feel pretty sated; I'm just upset the LD appetizer was a bit bland, and the Tory dessert could be a long way off.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

    Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.
    I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,886
    SeanT said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    You have summarised Corbyn more succinctly than anyone else on pb. The man cannot see an argument in which Britain is involved, without his taking the position that opposes Britain, Britishness, and the British people.

    He is a total disaster for Labour. I almost pity you.

    On the other hand if, after all this excitement, Corbyn ends up losing I will be most disappointed on a personal-entertainment-basis. Boo.
    If Corbyn loses, you will have untold entertainment as the Left goes into a high-octane paranoid hissy fit that will make their losing in May seem just oh so "Meh....."
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    I was too soon to say goodnight it seems, new poll from Iowa, Trump way ahead Carson second, Walker sinks:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/cnn-orc-poll-iowa-republican-caucus-data/index.html

    Trump 22
    Carson 14
    Walker 9
    Cruz 8
    Fiorina 7
    Huckabee 7
    Bush 5
    Paul 5
    Rubio 5
    Christie 3

    4 killer statistics:
    Who will be better with the economy (Top two):
    Trump 37%
    Fiorina 10%

    Immigration:
    Trump 35%
    Cruz 12%

    Who has the best chance of winning the GE in 2016?
    Trump 22%
    Bush 16%

    Most likely to change things in Washington:
    Trump 44%
    Carson 9%

    Trump leads in all categories except republican values were he's second behind Carson and Abortion where he's joint 4th with Bush.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    I don't buy this nice man shtick. Just because he makes jam and has an allotment and is polite does not make him nice. He is an idiot but a morally obtuse one.

    At the risk of inflaming all and sundry, people like him and the Stop the War coalition did not have any sort of morally impressive position over the Iraq war. They marched and, in JC's case, voted - objectively speaking, as the Marxists might put it - to keep a disgusting dictator who had gassed his own people (and worse) in power. And he did so because like many in Stop the War he was anti-American. He did not care about the Iraqis who suffered under Saddam or the Kurds. Blair has to answer for how he took the country to war. But let's stop pretending that JC's position at the time was somehow morally superior.

    it has become a convenient fiction to class all opponents of the Iaq war as having the moral high ground and this is simply nonsense on stilts. There may have been only bad and worse choices in 2003 but there is a huge amount of rewriting of history and claiming of wholly undeserved moral high grounds going on by some on the Left.

    **Puts on tinfoil hat and quietly leaves PB**
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    SeanT said:

    Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

    What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

    Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

    Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

    Just a thought.

    I think you're right.
    Or, at least, he's developed the tendency to gravitate to simplistic answers rather than accept facts that he doesn't like. And as he hasn't ever been really challenged on them, he's fallen into unshakeable mental ruts, but he's very certain of them and very comfortable in his certainty. He's also the only charismatic candidate.

    That comfort and certainty comes across, and his message is one that's attractive - as long as you don't think that hard about it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    edited August 2015
    Alanbrooke said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

    Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.
    I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.
    Don't. The contempt the BBC has for our national identity and preserving (entirely innocent and deeply moving parts of) our cultural heritage makes me actively angry. It's perfectly obvious that the piece that 'offended' them in the Today theme was Rule Britannia, and its prominence.

    If the Trots and traitors at Broadcasting House realised this they might not have the heavy guns of the Right* now trained on them.

    (*not that to like/dislike traditional music is a left/right issue anyway, but the Left won't bat for it)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    SeanT said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Roger said:

    The antifrank thread was one of the oddest I've read on PB. Normally you can see where most people are coming from and why. That was so unpredictable I'm starting to wonder whether Corbyn might be politics answer to magic mushrooms.....


    Legg'd like a man! and his fins like arms! Warm, o' my
    troth! I do now let loose my opinion, hold it no longer: this is no
    fish, but an islander, that hath lately suffer'd by a thunder-bolt.
    [Thunder.] Alas, the storm is come again! My best way is to creep
    under his gaberdine; there is no other shelter hereabout: misery
    acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. I will here shroud till the
    dregs of the storm be past.

    my soul mate Roger
    Corbyn stretches your todger
    as Blair banks his cheques

    bit of a haiku - !7 syllables.
    Rather nice. Technically, it needs a seasonal reference tho, I think....

    In summer, Roger
    Feels Corbyn stretch his Todger!
    T Blair still banks cheques.
    mature reflection Mr T, you are of course correct on the time reference.

    A thought did strike me the other day, do you know you have sold more books than Alex Salmond.

    In Scotland.

    Kudos.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    To paraphrase Nicholas Montserrat, Labour are The Party That Lost Their Head..
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Speedy said:

    I was too soon to say goodnight it seems, new poll from Iowa, Trump way ahead Carson second, Walker sinks:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/cnn-orc-poll-iowa-republican-caucus-data/index.html

    Trump 22
    Carson 14
    Walker 9
    Cruz 8
    Fiorina 7
    Huckabee 7
    Bush 5
    Paul 5
    Rubio 5
    Christie 3

    4 killer statistics:
    Who will be better with the economy (Top two):
    Trump 37%
    Fiorina 10%

    Immigration:
    Trump 35%
    Cruz 12%

    Who has the best chance of winning the GE in 2016?
    Trump 22%
    Bush 16%

    Most likely to change things in Washington:
    Trump 44%
    Carson 9%

    Trump leads in all categories except republican values were he's second behind Carson and Abortion where he's joint 4th with Bush.

    Is Trump actually in the Iowa Caucus?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    edited August 2015
    TOPPING said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
    Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Tim_B said:

    Meanwhile, the Hillary Clinton email scandal has ratcheted up a notch.

    Two of her emails were found to contain classified material rated 'Top Secret', the next to highest rating.

    After months of refusing, she has now surrendered her private server to the FBI, along with three thumb drives of emails held by her lawyer.

    At the least, this reinforces her already underwater numbers on trust and honesty, and depending what the FBI finds, this could conceivably be nuclear for her campaign.

    Her campaign continues to insist that she 'is not a target' of the investigation.

    This story will run and run.

    If she was one of the little people, being found with TS, documents on a thumb drive would equal serious jail time. If this doesn't see her withdraw I'll be surprised.

    P.S. what comes above TS! I can't think of anything. There is caveated material but it's still just TS as far as I know.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

    Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.
    I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.
    Don't. The contempt the BBC has for our national identity and preserving (entirely innocent and deeply moving parts of) our cultural heritage makes me actively angry. It's perfectly obvious that the piece that 'offended' them in the Today theme was Rule Britannia, and its prominence.

    If the Trots and traitors at Broadcasting House realised this they might not have the heavy guns of the Right* now trained on them.

    (*not that to like/dislike traditional music is a left/right issue anyway, but the Left won't bat for it)

    I'm always most struck by the BBC's hatred of our national identity during Last Night of the Proms and when it broadcasts live from the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    edited August 2015
    SouthamObserver said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

    Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.
    I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.
    Don't. The contempt the BBC has for our national identity and preserving (entirely innocent and deeply moving parts of) our cultural heritage makes me actively angry. It's perfectly obvious that the piece that 'offended' them in the Today theme was Rule Britannia, and its prominence.

    If the Trots and traitors at Broadcasting House realised this they might not have the heavy guns of the Right* now trained on them.

    (*not that to like/dislike traditional music is a left/right issue anyway, but the Left won't bat for it)

    I'm always most struck by the BBC's hatred of our national identity during Last Night of the Proms and when it broadcasts live from the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.

    Just give it time. They would if they could.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    The Labour party desparately needs Ed Balls as their leader candidate to fight off Corbyn.

    He is the one heavy weight who could rescue them even though he is not an MP.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?

    SW France, about an hour from Toulouse. It's stunning. I am reading a superb book: The Discovery of France. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Between that and the scenery and the food and the wine, I am trying to get my head around JC's coming and Labour's death wish. But, I keep telling myself, the Tories look after people like me, so what does it really matter :-)

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Alanbrooke said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

    Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.
    I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.
    About 15 years or so ago BBC1 used to shows shots of a hot air balloon painted as a globe before the news. Then it was dispatched as 'not being inclusive enough' and replaced by people sliding down long red ribbons
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    A Tory supporter on radio 5 news has just said he's got 3 votes in the labour leadership contest and he said its his duty to get corbyn as leader.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    David_Evershed said:

    The Labour party desparately needs Ed Balls as their leader candidate to fight off Corbyn.

    He is the one heavy weight who could rescue them even though he is not an MP.

    Really ?????????

    He's crap and has several tons of baggage, They don't actually need a leader atm just a couple of years to work out what they stand for and then elect a leader for 2020.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,066
    Corbynmania!!

    http://www.travelettes.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MG_1019.jpg
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?

    SW France, about an hour from Toulouse. It's stunning. I am reading a superb book: The Discovery of France. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Between that and the scenery and the food and the wine, I am trying to get my head around JC's coming and Labour's death wish. But, I keep telling myself, the Tories look after people like me, so what does it really matter :-)

    Don't miss Carcassonne. Or cassoulet. And read up on the cathars. :-)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Speedy said:

    I was too soon to say goodnight it seems, new poll from Iowa, Trump way ahead Carson second, Walker sinks:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/cnn-orc-poll-iowa-republican-caucus-data/index.html

    Trump 22
    Carson 14
    Walker 9
    Cruz 8
    Fiorina 7
    Huckabee 7
    Bush 5
    Paul 5
    Rubio 5
    Christie 3

    4 killer statistics:
    Who will be better with the economy (Top two):
    Trump 37%
    Fiorina 10%

    Immigration:
    Trump 35%
    Cruz 12%

    Who has the best chance of winning the GE in 2016?
    Trump 22%
    Bush 16%

    Most likely to change things in Washington:
    Trump 44%
    Carson 9%

    Trump leads in all categories except republican values were he's second behind Carson and Abortion where he's joint 4th with Bush.

    Is Trump actually in the Iowa Caucus?
    I know, those numbers look more representative of Trump's opinion of himself, but an opinion poll of voters is an opinion poll of voters.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    At least she's trying now - should be worth a few of the ABC votes I'd say.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,894
    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY


    It'd be better if Burnham dd this and backed it up with polling.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    YCs manifesto reads " vote me because I'm me ". Oxford PPE at it's intellectual best.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Tykejohnno said:

    A Tory supporter on radio 5 news has just said he's got 3 votes in the labour leadership contest and he said its his duty to get corbyn as leader.

    What a bunch of idiots Labour are. Could not run a bath. Cannot even run their own party.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Cyclefree said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    David_Evershed said:

    The Labour party desparately needs Ed Balls as their leader candidate to fight off Corbyn.

    He is the one heavy weight who could rescue them even though he is not an MP.

    He couldn't even hold onto Morley & Outwood!
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited August 2015
    @SouthamObserver

    'I'm always most struck by the BBC's hatred of our national identity during Last Night of the Proms and when it broadcasts live from the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.'

    It would be difficult even by BBC standards to ignore those events.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    At least she's trying now - should be worth a few of the ABC votes I'd say.
    What a stupid thing for her to say given that it looks as if he's about to be elected. If she had any noticeable world view of her own she might be able to counter him. But given that her only claim to the leadership is having been around for a while and being a mother she has nothing to say other than what is both demonstrably not true and contemptuous of the Labour electorate.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    Cyclefree said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Does JC represent only the direction of Labour travel today? How much further will it be taken by the unions and the motley ragbag of lefties who see JC as a means to “who knows where”? His Syriza types have of course been duped and will have served their purpose come September.

    I give you a selection of powerful communist union voices from the past and one standout maverick from yesterday

    Jack Jones Gen Sec of TGWU (now Unite) 1968-76
    Hugh Scanlon President of AEU (now AEEU) 1968-78
    Arthur Utting Chair of UCATT Executive 1981-83
    Ken Gill Gen Sec of TASS (now MSF) 1974-92, President of TUC 1986
    Ken Cameron Gen Sec FBU 1980-2000
    Alec Kitson Gen Sec SCMU (now YGWU) 1959-71, Dep Gen Sec TGWU 1980-86
    Bob Crow Gen Sec RMT 2002-14

    and a piece from 2009 which looks very prescient now

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/5504213/a-poisoned-legacy-from-which-labour-has-never-quite-recovered/
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