Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"
Does JC represent only the direction of Labour travel today? How much further will it be taken by the unions and the motley ragbag of lefties who see JC as a means to “who knows where”? His Syriza types have of course been duped and will have served their purpose come September.
I give you a selection of powerful communist union voices from the past and one standout maverick from yesterday
Jack Jones Gen Sec of TGWU (now Unite) 1968-76 Hugh Scanlon President of AEU (now AEEU) 1968-78 Arthur Utting Chair of UCATT Executive 1981-83 Ken Gill Gen Sec of TASS (now MSF) 1974-92, President of TUC 1986 Ken Cameron Gen Sec FBU 1980-2000 Alec Kitson Gen Sec SCMU (now YGWU) 1959-71, Dep Gen Sec TGWU 1980-86 Bob Crow Gen Sec RMT 2002-14
and a piece from 2009 which looks very prescient now
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?
SW France, about an hour from Toulouse. It's stunning. I am reading a superb book: The Discovery of France. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Between that and the scenery and the food and the wine, I am trying to get my head around JC's coming and Labour's death wish. But, I keep telling myself, the Tories look after people like me, so what does it really matter :-)
Don't miss Carcassonne. Or cassoulet. And read up on the cathars. :-)
Sorry I've not read the thread but "effective campaign finance reforms" require the repeal or amendment of the First Amendment right to free speech as interpreted by the Supreme Court. It's not an issue the President can resolve with Congress alone let alone unilaterally.
For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.
On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.
And Lab are about to make him leader.
Fantastic!
Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing. </blockquote Agreed but Tom Watson will make sure he does it.
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Yes - and I despise him for it. I think he is dangerous. To Labour. To people like you (and me) who would like to have a social democratic alternative. To those whom such a party can help. To the body politic in the UK.
For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.
On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.
And Lab are about to make him leader.
Fantastic!
Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.
On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.
And Lab are about to make him leader.
Fantastic!
Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE
... On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25. And Lab are about to make him leader. Fantastic!
For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.
On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.
And Lab are about to make him leader.
Fantastic!
Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.
On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.
And Lab are about to make him leader.
Fantastic!
Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"
I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.
Labour has never been so far from reality in a generation and is losing its connection with large parts of the voter population, according to Jon Cruddas, who ran Ed Miliband’s policy review.
The comments represent a blistering critique of the leadership election, which has all but abandoned discussion about why the party lost the general election. Instead it has concentrated on soft-focus appeals for the support of hardcore Labour voters unrepresentative of the wider public.
I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.
An interesting interview on the subject from a KGB defector:
I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing.
I see your point - but the point about a useful idiot is that they 'think' they know exactly what they are doing but in fact they are blind to reality and merely add their weight to the sly plotting of the Stalins of this world. Corbyn is just another Tony Benn, he is quite happy to rationalise the real world upside down to keep his view of it unsullied.
I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
Labour has never been so far from reality in a generation and is losing its connection with large parts of the voter population, according to Jon Cruddas, who ran Ed Miliband’s policy review.
The comments represent a blistering critique of the leadership election, which has all but abandoned discussion about why the party lost the general election. Instead it has concentrated on soft-focus appeals for the support of hardcore Labour voters unrepresentative of the wider public.
Labour was doing that before the election too though. It just mixed that message with nominal appeals to the centre. That was why its message, policy and positioning was so incoherent.
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"
I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.
I suspect Sunil, the most decorous, mild mannered and amiable of PB-ers, is merely joshing.
Well I'm not. Corbyn's election - if it happens - will give heart to a lot of nasty groups who do not care about the best interests of Britain or the people in it
I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
Edited - On taste grounds
if it wasn't for that pesky eagles i;d have gotten away with it ....
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.
Isn't he just being a lefty ?
can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.
Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.
It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"
I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.
I suspect Sunil, the most decorous, mild mannered and amiable of PB-ers, is merely joshing.
Well I'm not. Corbyn's election - if it happens - will give heart to a lot of nasty groups who do not care about the best interests of Britain or the people in it
@LatteLabour: If Corbyn wins, that's the easy bit. We need a PLP that stands up for the majority, not the millionaires. And that will mean deselections.
I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
Edited - On taste grounds
if it wasn't for that pesky eagles i;d have gotten away with it ....
It was my comment that I thought on reflection might shock you.
Since it is the lagershed, here's a more tasteful joke.
An Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years. Upon her return, her Father cursed her heavily.
'Where have ye been all this time, child? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn't ye call? Can ye not understand what ye put yer old Mother through?'
The girl, crying, replied, Dad... I became a prostitute.'
'Ye what!? Get out a here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You're a disgrace to this Catholic family.'
'OK, Dad... as ye wish. I only came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a ten bedroom mansion, plus a 5 million savings certificate. For me little brother, this gold Rolex. And for ye Daddy, the sparkling new Mercedes limited edition convertible that's parked outside plus a membership to the country club ... (takes a breath) ... and an invitation for ye all to spend New Year's Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera.'
'What was it ye said ye had become?' says Dad.
Girl, crying again, 'A prostitute, Daddy!.'
'Oh! My Goodness! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a Protestant! Come here and give yer old Dad a hug !
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
Edited - On taste grounds
if it wasn't for that pesky eagles i;d have gotten away with it ....
It was my comment that I thought on reflection might shock you.
Since it is the lagershed, here's a more tasteful joke.
An Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years. Upon her return, her Father cursed her heavily.
'Where have ye been all this time, child? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn't ye call? Can ye not understand what ye put yer old Mother through?'
The girl, crying, replied, Dad... I became a prostitute.'
'Ye what!? Get out a here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You're a disgrace to this Catholic family.'
'OK, Dad... as ye wish. I only came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a ten bedroom mansion, plus a 5 million savings certificate. For me little brother, this gold Rolex. And for ye Daddy, the sparkling new Mercedes limited edition convertible that's parked outside plus a membership to the country club ... (takes a breath) ... and an invitation for ye all to spend New Year's Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera.'
'What was it ye said ye had become?' says Dad.
Girl, crying again, 'A prostitute, Daddy!.'
'Oh! My Goodness! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a Protestant! Come here and give yer old Dad a hug !
John Mann on Newsnight making a proposal that PBers were talking about weeks ago: get just one candidate to stand against Corbyn.
This would require the PLP to nominate one candidate again to stand against someone who the PLP did not want to nominate in the first place. These people then expect us to believe they can run the country!
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone tells them they're mistaken
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
The conservative member who has 3 votes in the labour leadership,he's got the 3 votes by using,his name,his middle name and his wife's name and no check up's,plus using same address.
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone tells them they're mistaken
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
Do you understand the difference between Jews and Israelis?
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
It's so close in Ilford North that every vote counts so even if the Jewish population is 5% and dropping it could still be important. Labour has probably already mopped up most of the Asian votes up for grabs.
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
The Jewish population of Ilford North was 6.5% at Census 2011. Hindus 11.9%, Muslims 15.3%, Sikhs 4.2%, No Religion 12.6%. Christians a plurality at 41.5%.
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
Sorry I've not read the thread but "effective campaign finance reforms" require the repeal or amendment of the First Amendment right to free speech as interpreted by the Supreme Court. It's not an issue the President can resolve with Congress alone let alone unilaterally. This is barking up the wrong tree completely.
Yes - you make a good point. The USA is governed by sitting on a three legged stool. I am bound to say I think a lot on nonsense is regularly spoken on here by people who think they know about the nuances of US politics. 8 years ago it was all about how Obama would never be elected because he was not 'natural born' blah blah blah etc... This time it all Hillary's emails. Give me strength!
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?
It seems to me that a fundamental problem with this whole Labour election is that they failed to establish the (s)electorate in advance of the candidates being nominated/declared. Whilst it is possible that there might have been some "entryism" anyway, i think it would have been on a far. And "entryism" is anyway an inaccurate term to describe what is happening - the point is that people are not signing up because they want a vote for the next Labour leader, they are signing up because they want to vote for Corbyn (or what he represents). Whilst the non JC candidates have come in for a lot of criticism i think it is fair to say that they have been extremely handicapped by the system. It is clear that they can only really appeal (in the context of this election) to the traditional Labour electorate (few from outside are going to sign up just to vote for them). Whereas Corbyn is able to pitch his campaign at a far wider population and (in the context of a small electorate) can win simply by bringing people in from outside (and who have no interest in the Labour Party as a political organisation). We keep hearing people saying that the Labour party and its supporters will step back from the abyss, but the point is that it is not the Labour Party that is voting in this election, so no matter how much "the Labour Party" "comes to its senses", Corbyn will still win anyway.
@janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"
Literally, "Calm Down, dear"
Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?
I'm sure shills for South Africa said the same in the 1970s...
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).
I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.
He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).
I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.
He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
"selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?
Deliberate choice but the word's been around for a while; it's not mine.
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
Do you know Corbyn from one of your weekend 'conferences'?
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?
I'm sure shills for South Africa said the same in the 1970s...
The question would be why Israel and not any of the other countries in the region that have worse - in some cases *far* worse - human rights records.
I think the Blairites have been going far too strong on "electability". They should spend far more time focussing/banging the drum on what they see as their achievements. Also simply dismissing Corbyn for being "unelectable" helps him because it fails to address the weaknesses in his policies. It allows a message to build up that Blairite policies aren't good in themselves, but are simply a means to being elected, whereas Corbyn's policies are what the country needs, if only the electorate can be convinced to give them a fair hearing.
@janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"
Literally, "Calm Down, dear"
Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
Stuff and nonsense!
Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
"selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?
Deliberate choice but the word's been around for a while; it's not mine.
Its a poor word. The 'selectorate' if there is one is the PLP who have made a total horlicks, from their point of view, of the selection process. They did not want to nominate Corbyn, he has no natural constituency on the PLP - he could not have got the 35 votes necessary except for gifts from MPs who will not vote for him and do not want him. The electorate are the now voting from the options made available. From top to bottom its a totally bonkers system. I could almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).
I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.
He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
I doubt - even now - if more than 5% of British voters have a clue what Jez Corbyn historically believes, and supports, and espouses, from the IRA to Hamas.
Once he is elected, the media will go to town on him. He represents the biggest target for the Tory redtops since Michael Foot fisted that underaged Jewish gerbil on Jim'll Fix It (which never actually happened, so this is worse). Corbyn will not survive this onslaught as an electable figure. He will emerge with a core support of 20-25%, is my guess, and would achieve that at a GE.
Interesting to note that the papers have kept their powder well dry on Corbyn.
" Do you understand the difference between Jews and Israelis? "
Yes I do despite the efforts of the JC and others in the so called Jewish comunity to conflate the two.
The Jewish community and the JC do not need to do that when there are countless extremists using the two words interchangeably. A significant number of people who rant about zionists are just using it as a cover for anti-semitism.
Would you say there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to confuse the two words?
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).
I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.
He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
I doubt - even now - if more than 5% of British voters have a clue what Jez Corbyn historically believes, and supports, and espouses, from the IRA to Hamas.
Once he is elected, the media will go to town on him. He represents the biggest target for the Tory redtops since Michael Foot fisted that underaged Jewish gerbil on Jim'll Fix It (which never actually happened, so this is worse). Corbyn will not survive this onslaught as an electable figure. He will emerge with a core support of 20-25%, is my guess, and would achieve that at a GE.
Corbyn will poll relatively well in Scotland and London and inner cities, he will poll terribly in the South and Midlands and in the North and Wales about the same as Miliband. He will probably get about 25-30% at worst UK wide, but could take Labour's share up to 30-35% in Scotland
@janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"
Literally, "Calm Down, dear"
Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
Stuff and nonsense!
Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
How many more seats did he win than Gordon Brown in 2010?
I think the Blairites have been going far too strong on "electability". They should spend far more time focussing/banging the drum on what they see as their achievements. Also simply dismissing Corbyn for being "unelectable" helps him because it fails to address the weaknesses in his policies. It allows a message to build up that Blairite policies aren't good in themselves, but are simply a means to being elected, whereas Corbyn's policies are what the country needs, if only the electorate can be convinced to give them a fair hearing.
But this gets to one of the big ironies: it's actually "the Left" who are most defending the Blair government's achievements that came about through spending, because the centrists have so capitulated to Austerity.
Since they're now not even willing to make the argument that state spending can alleviate social problems, and they still insist that any criticisms of capitalism are "anti-business", the Blairites have literally nothing to say apart from meaningless guff about "devolution".
Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).
I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.
He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
I doubt - even now - if more than 5% of British voters have a clue what Jez Corbyn historically believes, and supports, and espouses, from the IRA to Hamas.
Once he is elected, the media will go to town on him. He represents the biggest target for the Tory redtops since Michael Foot fisted that underaged Jewish gerbil on Jim'll Fix It (which never actually happened, so this is worse). Corbyn will not survive this onslaught as an electable figure. He will emerge with a core support of 20-25%, is my guess, and would achieve that at a GE.
Interesting to note that the papers have kept their powder well dry on Corbyn.
For now, it's for Labour to fire the biggest shots as it's an internal party matter, even for Labour supporting papers. If he becomes LOTO on the other hand, a PM in waiting, in theory, then it's time to let loose.
A good night to all.
PS As a southerner, I do wonder who in Labour might appeal most to the South, or what they have to do to appeal more - with the LDs falling away, someone has to at least provide some challenge to the Tories down here, even if competing for seats is unlikely any time soon, and Labour may as well try to plant some seeds of recovery.
@janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"
Literally, "Calm Down, dear"
Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
Stuff and nonsense!
Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
How many more seats did he win than Gordon Brown in 2010?
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I give you a selection of powerful communist union voices from the past and one standout maverick from yesterday
Jack Jones Gen Sec of TGWU (now Unite) 1968-76
Hugh Scanlon President of AEU (now AEEU) 1968-78
Arthur Utting Chair of UCATT Executive 1981-83
Ken Gill Gen Sec of TASS (now MSF) 1974-92, President of TUC 1986
Ken Cameron Gen Sec FBU 1980-2000
Alec Kitson Gen Sec SCMU (now YGWU) 1959-71, Dep Gen Sec TGWU 1980-86
Bob Crow Gen Sec RMT 2002-14
and a piece from 2009 which looks very prescient now
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/5504213/a-poisoned-legacy-from-which-labour-has-never-quite-recovered/
This is barking up the wrong tree completely.
I'm all for drying his cock out and pulverising it. :-)
Good call sunil.
Ah yes, Scotland.
Isn’t the problem for Burnham and Cooper that they are the ones who can’t win enough votes?
Just saying. ;-)
I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.
ask eagles he's often come to grips with a large cock and would recommend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ
Corbyn is just another Tony Benn, he is quite happy to rationalise the real world upside down to keep his view of it unsullied.
Corbyn appears to be a thoroughly unpleasant individual.
Labour was doing that before the election too though. It just mixed that message with nominal appeals to the centre. That was why its message, policy and positioning was so incoherent.
Literally, "Calm Down, dear"
Trump 20%
Fiorina 15%
Bush 12%
Carson 12%
Rubio 10%
Cruz 8%
Kasich 8%
Walker 4%
Huckabee 4%
Christie 4%
Paul 2%
Who won the debate?
Trump 21%
Rubio 14%
Carson 10%
Cruz 8%
Kasich 8%
Bush 5%
Huckabee 4%
Walker 3%
Christie 2%
Paul 1%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell_Poll_Michigan_GOP_Primary_Voters_8-10-15.pdf
@LatteLabour: If Corbyn wins, that's the easy bit. We need a PLP that stands up for the majority, not the millionaires. And that will mean deselections.
Since it is the lagershed, here's a more tasteful joke.
An Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years. Upon her return, her Father cursed her heavily.
'Where have ye been all this time, child? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn't ye call? Can ye not understand what ye put yer old Mother through?'
The girl, crying, replied, Dad... I became a prostitute.'
'Ye what!? Get out a here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You're a disgrace to this Catholic family.'
'OK, Dad... as ye wish. I only came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a ten bedroom mansion, plus a 5 million savings certificate. For me little brother, this gold Rolex. And for ye Daddy, the sparkling new Mercedes limited edition convertible that's parked outside plus a membership to the country club ... (takes a breath) ... and an invitation for ye all to spend New Year's Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera.'
'What was it ye said ye had become?' says Dad.
Girl, crying again, 'A prostitute, Daddy!.'
'Oh! My Goodness! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a Protestant! Come here and give yer old Dad a hug !
If it's any of the others, I expect Cameron will answer every question with 'Yeah, but what does Jeremy think?'
You missed the fact that "Denn alles Fleisch" is the theme music to "The SNP: A Warning From History"!
Episode 3: "The Wrong Referendum Result" is about to start on the Yesterday Channel (Freeview 12, SKY 537) at 11pm!
"If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."
If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
These people then expect us to believe they can run the country!
"selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/08/11/by-this-time-next-week-a-large-part-of-labours-selectorate-will-have-cast-their-votes/
Everyone is seeing what they want in him
For the hard left that's a chance to take over the Labour party.
For Tories it's eternal re-election.
For PBTories it's lots of money.
For Blairites its DOOM DOOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!
Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"
TSE: "If you want!" [He also takes a bottle of meat from the fridge].
Sunil: "Meat...? Ugh!"
TSE: "It's what Ian Rush drinks."
Sunil: "Ian Rush?"
TSE: "Yeah, an' he says if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up I'm only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"
Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"
TSE: "Exactly!"
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jvcr8gkvrb/SundayTimesResults_150724_W.pdf
" Do you understand the difference between Jews and Israelis? "
Yes I do despite the efforts of the JC and others in the so called Jewish comunity to conflate the two.
Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/631591741733359617
From top to bottom its a totally bonkers system. I could almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
"boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?"
With 2,000,000 people in the illegally occupied territories without a vote?
Interesting concept of a liberal deocracy
Would you say there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to confuse the two words?
Since they're now not even willing to make the argument that state spending can alleviate social problems, and they still insist that any criticisms of capitalism are "anti-business", the Blairites have literally nothing to say apart from meaningless guff about "devolution".
A good night to all.
PS As a southerner, I do wonder who in Labour might appeal most to the South, or what they have to do to appeal more - with the LDs falling away, someone has to at least provide some challenge to the Tories down here, even if competing for seats is unlikely any time soon, and Labour may as well try to plant some seeds of recovery.