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So, Sanders is 7 points ahead in New Hampshire now.

It really depends on if that video goes viral. 30,000 views in two days is not bad, but it needs to be shared by someone prominent on Twitter, some leftist icon in the US. Their equivalent to Russell Brand.

AndyJS said:

Sad news from China:

http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

Just a thought.

IDS went to University of Perugia language school for a few months, so it seems the Corbyn IDS comparisons are not just ideological. However, not getting a degree is no bar to the top job, as Major, Callaghan and Churchill proved

TheWhiteRabbit said:

AndyJS said:

Sad news from China:

http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.

China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.

Well, Lessig has been talking about this for years. Certainly will hit Hillary more than any other candidate.

It seems to me though that we are seeing a new breed of candidate, both in UK and USA, riding a wave of social media activism.

The democrats have a long way till they fill 17 candidates like the Republicans, with Lessig they got a good start of filling those slots with the 1-2% support.

I have to show you this video because it is precisely what you need to understand why people like Trump and Sanders are in the lead and why people like Kasich are nowhere:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2gcg7z/democalypse-2016---focus--boy--focus

Politics over there is a TV show, if you are boring you lose, if you are interesting you win.

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

Just a thought.

But how awful are the other Labour candidates that they haven't been able to expose his weaknesses?

Just look at his profile and record - it make Syrzia look moderate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

Yet the rival Labour candidates have seemingly only woken up to his victory being a real threat *this week*, and on the same day ballot registration closed, and are still struggling to lay a glove on him.

WTF?

Casino_Royale said:

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

Just a thought.

But how awful are the other Labour candidates that they haven't been able to expose his weaknesses?

Just look at his profile and record - it make Syrzia look moderate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

Yet the rival Labour candidates have seemingly only woken up to his victory being a real threat *this week*, and on the same day ballot registration closed, and are still struggling to lay a glove on him.

WTF?

How can they shout out that a fellow Labour MP is thick?
SeanT has quite a valid point. Corbyn is an idiot, useful to some. But additionally his thick headed philosophy is quite nasty.

Interesting that Corbyn's personal vote in Islington North this year was nearly 10 percentage points lower than in 1997. There haven't been any significant boundary changes since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

Just a thought.

IDS went to University of Perugia language school for a few months, so it seems the Corbyn IDS comparisons are not just ideological. However, not getting a degree is no bar to the top job, as Major, Callaghan and Churchill proved

Corbyn is much further to the Left than IDS is to the Right, I'd say.

Depends on what issue, most voters back rail renationalisation for instance

rottenborough said:

HYUFD said:

He has held no elected office and has no name recognition nor is he is a billionaire, so unlikely, however if his movement merged with Sanders' it could help the latter's campaign which as today's NH poll showed is beginning to see a mini-Corbyn style surge

Lessig is well known in geek circles. Not sure that helps mind you.

Yes, since when was the geek vote decisive?

flightpath01 said:

Casino_Royale said:

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

Just a thought.

But how awful are the other Labour candidates that they haven't been able to expose his weaknesses?

Just look at his profile and record - it make Syrzia look moderate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

Yet the rival Labour candidates have seemingly only woken up to his victory being a real threat *this week*, and on the same day ballot registration closed, and are still struggling to lay a glove on him.

WTF?

How can they shout out that a fellow Labour MP is thick?
SeanT has quite a valid point. Corbyn is an idiot, useful to some. But additionally his thick headed philosophy is quite nasty.

Indeed his biography is not impressive, he never got a proper job, National Union this National Union that, doesn't look good.
He was out of the loop though, never being a SPAD or a minister, that means no baggage from the New Labour years.

HYUFD said:

Speedy said:

The democrats have a long way till they fill 17 candidates like the Republicans, with Lessig they got a good start of filling those slots with the 1-2% support.

I have to show you this video because it is precisely what you need to understand why people like Trump and Sanders are in the lead and why people like Kasich are nowhere:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2gcg7z/democalypse-2016---focus--boy--focus

Politics over there is a TV show, if you are boring you lose, if you are interesting you win.

It is not that different here, though boring candidates can sometimes win, Bush Snr, John Major, Carter, Heath etc

Bush Snr. won only because he was VP to Reagan.

AndyJS said:

Interesting that Corbyn's personal vote in Islington North this year was nearly 10 percentage points lower than in 1997. There haven't been any significant boundary changes since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

The trajectory is interesting, his low point was 2005, he's being increasing it since then.
I can't find many constituencies where there was a swing to Labour in 2010 outside of scotland, so that something.

Riddle me this PB:

Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?

The IBM PC was launched 34 years ago today.

flightpath01 said:

Financier said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

AndyJS said:

Sad news from China:

http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.

China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.

I have a memory that a WW1 (I think) munitions ship explosion in Halifax Nova Scotia was the biggest non nuclear man made explosion ever.

In December 1917

Anyone else watch the BBC Storyville on Himmler?

The juxtaposition of reading his letters to his daughter w the clips of the firing squad were quite disturbing... ISIS are quite SS like methinks

AndyJS said:

Casino_Royale said:

SeanT said:

AndyJS said:

This is from the political editor of the New Statesman:

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/631523371641999360

Crikey. Hard to see how Corbyn can lose from there. This is really happening.

Politics is about to become much more interesting and combative, which is good, and Labour are about to mutilate themselves, possibly forever, which is also good.

And yet still available @ over 1.4 on Betfair. How much longer will the goodies be available for shrewd punters to gobble up there from others who just can't believe their eyes?

1.15-1.20 should be a sensible price tonight. This is now an open and shut case.

I don't think his price will go below 1.3 on Betfair because a lot of people can't believe what's happening and I don't blame them.

I'm waiting to see what Cooper says tomorrow.

I don't expect her to pull out but it's a possibility.

GIN1138 said:

Riddle me this PB:

Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?

Well he's not very popular even inside the Labour party.
If his aim is to damage Labour he might end up taking those Blairites who voted Tory in the last election instead.

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

I don't know about thick, but he certainly seems to be out of touch when it comes to things like telephony. He said in an interview on Andrew Marr that we all have one phone line coming into our houses.

AndyJS said:

Interesting that Corbyn's personal vote in Islington North this year was nearly 10 percentage points lower than in 1997. There haven't been any significant boundary changes since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

In a London constituency with the attendant high churn between elections, the point about "no significant boundary changes" is pretty moot. There will have been very significant electorate changes at every poll. As a general rule it is going to be difficult to identify trend in personal vote in any single London constituency, even though we can analyse the partisan vote in London overall, or at a slightly more granular level. Constituencies are too fine a unit of measurement.

MarqueeMark said:

Corbyn has shown up the other three as being Billy No-mates in this contest. Hard to know if they have been totally blind-sided by the union effort, or just had no answer to it. But I can see Corbyn 65%, Burnham 15%, Cooper 15%, Kendall 5% being a likely outcome.

This election is an object lesson in why you should never, EVER take pity on your political opponent.

How long would it take the parliamentary Labour party to catch up with the mood of its (enlarged) membership? At what point does the issue of deselection come up, or Blairites spontaneously decide to stand down in 2020? Will Labour Central make efforts to parachute or otherwise plonk its favoured leftier candidates to the godforsaken safe constituencies, or will it continue its habit of stuffing them with wonks and technocrats?

Financier said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

AndyJS said:

Sad news from China:

http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.

China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.

flightpath01 said:

Financier said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

AndyJS said:

Sad news from China:

http://news.sky.com/story/1534742/china-huge-explosion-hits-industrial-area

Difficult I'm afraid to see how the death toll is not going to hit dozens, and the injured many hundreds.

China is a major manufacturer and exporter of fireworks, which can prove to be quite unstable if not manufactured or stored correctly.

The Buncefield (Hemel Hempstead) explosion was a vapour cloud explosion which was aided by the weather conditions and the surrounding congestion and confinement.

I have a memory that a WW1 (I think) munitions ship explosion in Halifax Nova Scotia was the biggest non nuclear man made explosion ever.

There's a large crater near where I was raised at a place called Fauldm which is one of the largest conventional explosions, and the UK's largest. It converted farmland into a moonscape:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Fauld_explosion

And when I see an explosion at a chemical works, I think of the tragedy at Flixborough, amongst others:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flixborough_disaster

It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

GIN1138 said:

Riddle me this PB:

Is Tony Blair getting ready to launch his own "social democratic" party?

Why would he want to do that? Presuming he will fail or working toward bringing down Corbyn if he does somehow win, and aiding those left to pick up the pieces, seems a far better option for him to safeguard his legacy in the party than cutting and running.

https://twitter.com/petermannionmp/status/631564476454707200

Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

JosiasJessop said:

Speedy said:

Tim_B said:

The IBM PC was launched 34 years ago today.

Republicans and Thacherites should make a pedestal for it.
If it wasn't for the PC and car fuel efficiency increases then the 80's would have been as horrid as the 70's, those 2 boosted productivity and reduced fuel consumption by so much that their economic policies appeared to work well.

Goodnight.

All thanks to Don Estridge, RIP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Don_Estridge

I remember going to Computerland and seeing the IBM PC next to the Apple Lisa.

SouthamObserver said:

Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

Is the opening paragraph supposed to be symbolic of the second?

Roger said:

The antifrank thread was one of the oddest I've read on PB. Normally you can see where most people are coming from and why. That was so unpredictable I'm starting to wonder whether Corbyn might be politics answer to magic mushrooms.....


Legg'd like a man! and his fins like arms! Warm, o' my
troth! I do now let loose my opinion, hold it no longer: this is no
fish, but an islander, that hath lately suffer'd by a thunder-bolt.
[Thunder.] Alas, the storm is come again! My best way is to creep
under his gaberdine; there is no other shelter hereabout: misery
acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. I will here shroud till the
dregs of the storm be past.

my soul mate Roger
Corbyn stretches your todger
as Blair banks his cheques

bit of a haiku - !7 syllables.

Casino_Royale said:

Alanbrooke said:

It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.

I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.

SeanT said:

SouthamObserver said:

Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

You have summarised Corbyn more succinctly than anyone else on pb. The man cannot see an argument in which Britain is involved, without his taking the position that opposes Britain, Britishness, and the British people.

He is a total disaster for Labour. I almost pity you.

On the other hand if, after all this excitement, Corbyn ends up losing I will be most disappointed on a personal-entertainment-basis. Boo.

If Corbyn loses, you will have untold entertainment as the Left goes into a high-octane paranoid hissy fit that will make their losing in May seem just oh so "Meh....."

SeanT said:

Sorry to skid offtopic so soon, but I have a theory as needs testing.

What if Jeremy Corbyn is actually quite thick?

Up to now we've all been presuming that he's some dreaming socialist intellectual, like Michael Foot, yet Foot wrote books (as did Benn). As far as I can see, Corbyn has written none. Foot also went to Oxford (yes I know), whereas Corbyn went to North London Poly and then dropped out.

Is Corbyn just a bit thick, but well meaning? This might explain why he can hold so many absurd opinions and still be a nice man (which people say he is): he doesn't even understand his own incoherence, and therefore comes across as pure and principled. A bit like Chauncey Gardner from Being There, onto whose vacant affability people foisted their hopes and dreams.

Just a thought.

I don't buy this nice man shtick. Just because he makes jam and has an allotment and is polite does not make him nice. He is an idiot but a morally obtuse one.

At the risk of inflaming all and sundry, people like him and the Stop the War coalition did not have any sort of morally impressive position over the Iraq war. They marched and, in JC's case, voted - objectively speaking, as the Marxists might put it - to keep a disgusting dictator who had gassed his own people (and worse) in power. And he did so because like many in Stop the War he was anti-American. He did not care about the Iraqis who suffered under Saddam or the Kurds. Blair has to answer for how he took the country to war. But let's stop pretending that JC's position at the time was somehow morally superior.

it has become a convenient fiction to class all opponents of the Iaq war as having the moral high ground and this is simply nonsense on stilts. There may have been only bad and worse choices in 2003 but there is a huge amount of rewriting of history and claiming of wholly undeserved moral high grounds going on by some on the Left.

**Puts on tinfoil hat and quietly leaves PB**

Alanbrooke said:

Casino_Royale said:

Alanbrooke said:

It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.

I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.

Don't. The contempt the BBC has for our national identity and preserving (entirely innocent and deeply moving parts of) our cultural heritage makes me actively angry. It's perfectly obvious that the piece that 'offended' them in the Today theme was Rule Britannia, and its prominence.

If the Trots and traitors at Broadcasting House realised this they might not have the heavy guns of the Right* now trained on them.

(*not that to like/dislike traditional music is a left/right issue anyway, but the Left won't bat for it)

To paraphrase Nicholas Montserrat, Labour are The Party That Lost Their Head..

Alanbrooke said:

It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

And Lab are about to make him leader.

Fantastic!

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

Isn't he just being a lefty ?

can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?

Tim_B said:

Meanwhile, the Hillary Clinton email scandal has ratcheted up a notch.

Two of her emails were found to contain classified material rated 'Top Secret', the next to highest rating.

After months of refusing, she has now surrendered her private server to the FBI, along with three thumb drives of emails held by her lawyer.

At the least, this reinforces her already underwater numbers on trust and honesty, and depending what the FBI finds, this could conceivably be nuclear for her campaign.

Her campaign continues to insist that she 'is not a target' of the investigation.

This story will run and run.

If she was one of the little people, being found with TS, documents on a thumb drive would equal serious jail time. If this doesn't see her withdraw I'll be surprised.

P.S. what comes above TS! I can't think of anything. There is caveated material but it's still just TS as far as I know.

SouthamObserver said:

Casino_Royale said:

Alanbrooke said:

Casino_Royale said:

Alanbrooke said:

It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

A very sad day. It's a beautiful piece that (still) brings a tear to my eye.

Its ruthless despatching was (and still is) totally unnecessary and symptomatic of the lack of pride and patriotism at the BBC, and corresponding embarrassment at all things traditionally British.

I enjoyed the 5 minutes of music more than the 5 minutes of shite reporting that replaced it.

Don't. The contempt the BBC has for our national identity and preserving (entirely innocent and deeply moving parts of) our cultural heritage makes me actively angry. It's perfectly obvious that the piece that 'offended' them in the Today theme was Rule Britannia, and its prominence.

If the Trots and traitors at Broadcasting House realised this they might not have the heavy guns of the Right* now trained on them.

(*not that to like/dislike traditional music is a left/right issue anyway, but the Left won't bat for it)

I'm always most struck by the BBC's hatred of our national identity during Last Night of the Proms and when it broadcasts live from the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.

Just give it time. They would if they could.

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

Isn't he just being a lefty ?

can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?

SW France, about an hour from Toulouse. It's stunning. I am reading a superb book: The Discovery of France. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Between that and the scenery and the food and the wine, I am trying to get my head around JC's coming and Labour's death wish. But, I keep telling myself, the Tories look after people like me, so what does it really matter :-)

A Tory supporter on radio 5 news has just said he's got 3 votes in the labour leadership contest and he said its his duty to get corbyn as leader.

These people deserve to lose...

@TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

Isn't he just being a lefty ?

can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?

SW France, about an hour from Toulouse. It's stunning. I am reading a superb book: The Discovery of France. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Between that and the scenery and the food and the wine, I am trying to get my head around JC's coming and Labour's death wish. But, I keep telling myself, the Tories look after people like me, so what does it really matter :-)

Don't miss Carcassonne. Or cassoulet. And read up on the cathars. :-)

Scott_P said:

These people deserve to lose...

@TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

At least she's trying now - should be worth a few of the ABC votes I'd say.

Scott_P said:

These people deserve to lose...

@TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

It'd be better if Burnham dd this and backed it up with polling.

Tykejohnno said:

A Tory supporter on radio 5 news has just said he's got 3 votes in the labour leadership contest and he said its his duty to get corbyn as leader.

What a bunch of idiots Labour are. Could not run a bath. Cannot even run their own party.

David_Evershed said:

The Labour party desparately needs Ed Balls as their leader candidate to fight off Corbyn.

He is the one heavy weight who could rescue them even though he is not an MP.

He couldn't even hold onto Morley & Outwood!

kle4 said:

Scott_P said:

These people deserve to lose...

@TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

At least she's trying now - should be worth a few of the ABC votes I'd say.

What a stupid thing for her to say given that it looks as if he's about to be elected. If she had any noticeable world view of her own she might be able to counter him. But given that her only claim to the leadership is having been around for a while and being a mother she has nothing to say other than what is both demonstrably not true and contemptuous of the Labour electorate.