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Another disgraceful article from the BBC, not giving the full facts...

"Wilson, who has since left the force, was not indicted on any charge, and a Justice Department report found "no evidence" that he had shot at Brown while the teenager was running away or trying to surrender."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33856907

Just miss out the bit about Brown was a criminal that threatened the officer, attacked him and tried to seize his gun, before refusing to be arrested.

They were still repeating on the radio this morning the "unarmed black teenager shot by a white police officer" line.

This is highly irresponsible reporting.

Talking about BBC an irresponsible reporting via omission....Would anybody like to spot what is omitted here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33847293

Compared to...

http://news.sky.com/story/1533281/teen-gets-11-years-for-stabbing-supply-teacher

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/teacher-stabbed-pupil-racist-attack-court-bradford

ydoethur said:

Interesting to see Guardian readers overwhelmingly back Corbyn, Mirror voters are split. You would have expected it to be the other way around, especially given the way the Guardian has been getting after Corbyn.

Are we seeing the power of the press in reverse: 'You said he was rubbish, so he must be OK.'

Who'd have thought that the Guardian would be out of touch eh?

DaemonBarber said:

ydoethur said:

Interesting to see Guardian readers overwhelmingly back Corbyn, Mirror voters are split. You would have expected it to be the other way around, especially given the way the Guardian has been getting after Corbyn.

Are we seeing the power of the press in reverse: 'You said he was rubbish, so he must be OK.'

Who'd have thought that the Guardian would be out of touch eh?

That it's out of touch isn't a surprise, of course. And on reading the comments below its CiF articles rubbishing Corbyn, I should have expected this. But I am very surprised that its readers are so heavily trending for a man that they are so energetically pushing against. I had assumed the comments were unrepresentative, but clearly they are not. Even twenty years ago, that would have been pretty well unthinkable (there is a good analysis of newspaper readership and how it influenced voting patterns in this book, if anyone wants to follow it up - but clearly don't buy off Amazon)!

Perhaps we are seeing one of the side-effects of the phone hacking scandal?

antifrank said:

If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't win from here, I suggest that the opinion pollsters take a period of absence.

Corbyn is far and away, the public's choice to be Labour leader.

Labour supporters want him to win. Conservative supporters want him to win. And UKIP supporters want him to win.

Completely O/T, but this is very funny:

http://order-order.com/2015/08/11/great-corrections-and-clarifications-of-our-time/

Dear Ed,

Thank you for providing so much entertainment over the usually quiet summer months.

Yours sincerely etc...

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

The Anyone but Corbyn(ers) can't even decide which one of Burnham and Cooper to back. You would have thought Burnham would be best placed to close the gap in first preferences considering he has been previously popular with members and has had some good 2020 polling.

DaemonBarber said:

Plato said:

This perchance?

Judge Durham Hall accepted that the attack was racially motivated and that the boy - from a Pakistani background - could not handle being disciplined by a black man.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Talking about BBC an irresponsible reporting via omission....Would anybody like to spot what is omitted here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33847293

Compared to...

http://news.sky.com/story/1533281/teen-gets-11-years-for-stabbing-supply-teacher

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/teacher-stabbed-pupil-racist-attack-court-bradford

I'd have thought this bit was more pertinent than his race:

The court heard that the boy was on bail for a burglary at the time of the attack. He had been arrested on 3 April in a house onin Bradford with another three boys. In March 2014 he had been given a six-month referral order for attempted robbery and common assault. When just 13 he and a friend had mugged two boys and threatened to kill them.

The boy was originally charged with attempted murder, but the Crown Prosecution Service agreed to drop that charge when he pleaded guilty to grievous bodily harm with intent.

He's plainly and clearly a wrong'un.

Perhaps he can be reformed to be a valuable member of society, but 3 years behind bars (Which is what he'll most likely serve) is far far too short a sentence. Will he even show any contrition or remorse by the time he's let out ?!

LadyBucket said:

How bad are the other three Labour candidates, that they have let it get to this?

Just seen Mrs Balls on Sky - as we say in Lancashire, "she has got a face that would stand clogging."

Rumour has it, Gordon Brown is waiting in the wings to intervene and Mrs Balls is taking "the gloves off." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Very impressive investigative journalism from Sky on the I.S. threat. Victoria Derbyshire show doing an item on "KNITTING" !!!!!

Oh goody! Brown: saviour of the worldBanks, The Union and now the Labour Party!

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

DaemonBarber said:

Pulpstar said:

DaemonBarber said:

Plato said:

This perchance?

Judge Durham Hall accepted that the attack was racially motivated and that the boy - from a Pakistani background - could not handle being disciplined by a black man.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Talking about BBC an irresponsible reporting via omission....Would anybody like to spot what is omitted here?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33847293

Compared to...

http://news.sky.com/story/1533281/teen-gets-11-years-for-stabbing-supply-teacher

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/teacher-stabbed-pupil-racist-attack-court-bradford

I'd have thought this bit was more pertinent than his race:

The court heard that the boy was on bail for a burglary at the time of the attack. He had been arrested on 3 April in a house onin Bradford with another three boys. In March 2014 he had been given a six-month referral order for attempted robbery and common assault. When just 13 he and a friend had mugged two boys and threatened to kill them.

The boy was originally charged with attempted murder, but the Crown Prosecution Service agreed to drop that charge when he pleaded guilty to grievous bodily harm with intent.

He's plainly and clearly a wrong'un.

Perhaps he can be reformed to be a valuable member of society, but 3 years behind bars (Which is what he'll most likely serve) is far far too short a sentence. Will he even show any contrition or remorse by the time he's let out ?!

Given he was "yawning" as sentence was handed down, I fear not.

At the very least he should not be paroled after 3 years if he turns up to the parole board with the same attitude one would hope.

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Plato said:

IIRC @Neil of this parish was a Greenie for its leftish positioning, not for environmental issues.

Be surprised if he's the only one.

DaemonBarber said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Perhaps they were only in the Green Party due to the left wing policies, and see a better chance of government with a Labour Party aligned similarly?

Seems likely that at least some of the Green Surge was left rather than environmental activists, indeed, many were ex-Labour members.

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Fair enough, as long as they leave the Greens. They have renounced their membership presumably and thrown their lot in with another party.

Plato said:

Gordon Brown is understood to be preparing to intervene in the contest

When Gordon Brown is due to make an intervention, you know that trouble is afoot.

His record is... not good.

Indyref - Intervention aka The Vow. That's worked out well...
May2015 - Intervention to save SLAB. That worked even better...
Now Labour Leader Contest.

I do hope he intervenes in May 2016.

Plato said:

OT @Morris_Dancer After watching dozens of Jeremy Kyle lie-detector tests, almost all of them are proven correct when someone fibs [they fess up either straight away or afterwards].

I know you're not keen on them at all, do you know if techniques have improved?

A polygraph can only detect anxiety.

Speaking of upcoming elections, it seems that Glasgow Council are going all out to secure their core vote (which appears to be Loyalist bigots given their recent Orangefest "celebrations" in George Square).

http://www.thenational.scot/news/glasgow-city-council-rejects-bid-to-have-hope-over-fear-independence-rally-in-george-square.6220?utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1439273297

I hope there is a market on Labour ending up with zero councillors in Glasgow after 2017.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Since 10pm on May 7th it has been a dream to be a Tory

I feel the same about the SNP. We're a couple of sad buggers !!

calum said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Since 10pm on May 7th it has been a dream to be a Tory

I feel the same about the SNP. We're a couple of sad buggers !!

Surely you are a couple of happy saddos

FrancisUrquhart said:

isam said:

We both agreed the kid had to be white as you don't hear of much Asian/Black racism...

Turns out it was Muslim vs Christian - much more understandable

Mind you, we read the story in the Daily Mirror

The clue was the omission by the BBC and it being in Bradford. There is plenty about, remember the huge bust up in Birmingham a few years back over a fake report of a rape resulting in rioting, looting and murder. There has more recently been attacks in Muslim vs Sikh, Pakistani vs Indian in Brum.

Enoch Powell's Birmingham Speech was motivated by his time in India during WW2 where he saw Muslim vs Sikh vs Hindu segregation and fighting, and each religious group thinking of themselves as such rather than as "Indians"... the point of the speech was to warn that without restrictions on immigration we would have the same problem here

Well now we have

"Powell had spent much of the 1940s in India, and had seen the communal violence which had swept the country around the date of its independence. The deep divisions between individual groups within the country had led to social discord, and eventually violence. In the year before India’s independence on August 15th, 1947, over half a million people lost their lives as a result of civil strife. It was this fear of communalism that spurred Powell into action.

Powell’s contention, based upon his experience in India, was that a failure to integrate foreign communities into the social fabric of a nation would lead to them forming their own separate social groups, and that this being the case, in times particularly of economic strife, violence would emerge as the cleavages between the interests of the local community and that of the newcomers became increasingly apparent and caused inter-ethnic friction. Powell had previously cited an example of this in 1967 in Birmingham. There, Sikh bus conductors objected to being constrained to wear the bus company’s uniform, and threatened violence if their demands for an exception to the rule on the basis of religion were not met. Despite initially refusing, after the threat of violence emerged, the local authority eventually acquiesced and changed the rules. Powell saw in this a dangerous precedent and predicted that this could be the beginning of a wave of communal violence.12 "


http://amsterdamlawforum.org/article/view/50/65

Don't know whether this has already been mentioned, but it seems that Kids Company may have been running unregulated schools. This would be a criminal offence, if true.

"This means while Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh was trying to obtain a £3million emergency bailout from the Cabinet Office in July, there was no way of knowing if the charity was operating the school with authorisation and oversight, the lack of which could be illegal. "
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597373/Officials-probing-if-Kids-Company-school-was-UNREGULATED-when-ministers-paid-out-3m

edmundintokyo said:

Lennon said:

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Indeed. Thinking 2nd order effects though - Corbyn being elected could prove most problematic for the Greens if they are in any way 'representative' of the recent 'Green surge'. Could easily move them back down to the 1-2% of the vote mark presumably? Any betting opportunities?

With the LibDems buried in a hole that leaves a big electoral space open for them in the centre, if they can bring themselves to do smarten themselves up a bit and do a small-c-conservative, nimby, nice-to-kittens, down-with-all-the-horrible-things kind of vibe.

Name me a single centrist Green candidate ?

Pulpstar said:

edmundintokyo said:

Lennon said:

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Indeed. Thinking 2nd order effects though - Corbyn being elected could prove most problematic for the Greens if they are in any way 'representative' of the recent 'Green surge'. Could easily move them back down to the 1-2% of the vote mark presumably? Any betting opportunities?

With the LibDems buried in a hole that leaves a big electoral space open for them in the centre, if they can bring themselves to do smarten themselves up a bit and do a small-c-conservative, nimby, nice-to-kittens, down-with-all-the-horrible-things kind of vibe.

Name me a single centrist Green candidate ?

How many voters can name their Green candidate?

Their brand is fine for targeting this market, they just need the right kind of tone on leaflets and party political broadcasts.

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Indeed. Thinking 2nd order effects though - Corbyn being elected could prove most problematic for the Greens if they are in any way 'representative' of the recent 'Green surge'. Could easily move them back down to the 1-2% of the vote mark presumably? Any betting opportunities?

The Greens' next big test is the Scottish election next year, where they should do well for several reasons (technically, the Scottish Greens are an entirely different party from the E&W one but the dynamic is the same).

That's on the same days as the English locals, Welsh Assembly, London mayoral and PCC elections, so it's a big round but I'd expect Scotland to lead the news.

I was thinking the E&W Greens - appreciate that Scotland is a different party and has totally different dynamics. Normally I would have said that given the London-centric nature of the media that London Mayoral / Assembly would take the lead - but in the absence of Boris that's less likely I guess. If they are going on a 'look, told you Corbyn was rubbish' viewpoint then Scotland seems most likely to be the focus given that Lab will be (almost certainly, whatever happens) actively losing seats.

BBC2 Yes Prime Minister: The Grand Design

HurstLlama said:

LucyJones said:

Don't know whether this has already been mentioned, but it seems that Kids Company may have been running unregulated schools. This would be a criminal offence, if true.

"This means while Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh was trying to obtain a £3million emergency bailout from the Cabinet Office in July, there was no way of knowing if the charity was operating the school with authorisation and oversight, the lack of which could be illegal. "
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597373/Officials-probing-if-Kids-Company-school-was-UNREGULATED-when-ministers-paid-out-3m

I though the allegation of the day regarding that so-called charity was that two of the trustees had children on the payroll to the tune of fifty grand. That is just so mind-bogglingly wrong that, if it were true, one would hope that said trustees would be dropped from any and all other posts they may have and be shunned from polite society. They will not be of course and the whole KC debacle will be brushed under the carpet - far too many of the "great and the good" and friends of the "great and the good" are involved.

What's astonishing is that there are so many issues, and that none of them surfaced before the charity went tits up.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

So, are the Greens joining Labour to vote against Corbyn?
Is this his brother:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
"At the end of 2007, WeatherAction predicted that temperatures in January could plummet to −17 °C in the Midlands, and that the average temperature for January would be close to freezing. This prediction was dismissed by the Met Office in a Guardian article on 2 January.[21] After the January prediction proved false, Corbyn blamed the incorrect forecast on an undefined 'procedural error,"
"In August 2014 Corbyn confidently predicted that August 2014 would be dominated by southerly winds bringing very warm air across the British Isles resulting in the warmest August for at least 300 years as measured by the CET.[24][25] In the event, August 2014 was dominated by northerly winds resulting in a rather cool month "
"Corbyn is well known for his opposition to the idea of anthropogenic global warming. Corbyn has stated that the anthropogenic contribution to global warming is minimal with any increase in temperature due to increased solar activity"

I keep looking at the papers and thinking Labour can't be that stupid.

But now, it really seems that they might well be.

Bloody Hell............

Pulpstar said:

edmundintokyo said:

Lennon said:

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Indeed. Thinking 2nd order effects though - Corbyn being elected could prove most problematic for the Greens if they are in any way 'representative' of the recent 'Green surge'. Could easily move them back down to the 1-2% of the vote mark presumably? Any betting opportunities?

With the LibDems buried in a hole that leaves a big electoral space open for them in the centre, if they can bring themselves to do smarten themselves up a bit and do a small-c-conservative, nimby, nice-to-kittens, down-with-all-the-horrible-things kind of vibe.

Name me a single centrist Green candidate ?

Doesn't that depend on where one's personal definition of the Centre is? For some Caroline Lucas was/is very centrist, though Neil, who used to post on here, seemed to regard her as a right-wing traitor to the cause. Though, I have met a couple of Green supporters who would regard Neil's views (he only wanted to take society back to the forties) as being beyond the pale.

HurstLlama said:

Pulpstar said:

edmundintokyo said:

Lennon said:

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Indeed. Thinking 2nd order effects though - Corbyn being elected could prove most problematic for the Greens if they are in any way 'representative' of the recent 'Green surge'. Could easily move them back down to the 1-2% of the vote mark presumably? Any betting opportunities?

With the LibDems buried in a hole that leaves a big electoral space open for them in the centre, if they can bring themselves to do smarten themselves up a bit and do a small-c-conservative, nimby, nice-to-kittens, down-with-all-the-horrible-things kind of vibe.

Name me a single centrist Green candidate ?

Doesn't that depend on where one's personal definition of the Centre is? For some Caroline Lucas was/is very centrist, though Neil, who used to post on here, seemed to regard her as a right-wing traitor to the cause. Though, I have met a couple of Green supporters who would regard Neil's views (he only wanted to take society back to the forties) as being beyond the pale.

His views on paying up for losing bets are quite radical too

logical_song said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

So, are the Greens joining Labour to vote against Corbyn?
Is this his brother:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
"At the end of 2007, WeatherAction predicted that temperatures in January could plummet to −17 °C in the Midlands, and that the average temperature for January would be close to freezing. This prediction was dismissed by the Met Office in a Guardian article on 2 January.[21] After the January prediction proved false, Corbyn blamed the incorrect forecast on an undefined 'procedural error,"
"In August 2014 Corbyn confidently predicted that August 2014 would be dominated by southerly winds bringing very warm air across the British Isles resulting in the warmest August for at least 300 years as measured by the CET.[24][25] In the event, August 2014 was dominated by northerly winds resulting in a rather cool month "
"Corbyn is well known for his opposition to the idea of anthropogenic global warming. Corbyn has stated that the anthropogenic contribution to global warming is minimal with any increase in temperature due to increased solar activity"

That's his brother.

The Green logic is Labour is led by someone who doesn't believe in AGW Labour activists and voters will switch to the Greens

edmundintokyo said:

Pulpstar said:

edmundintokyo said:

Lennon said:

david_herdson said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

Greens and logic don't go well together but to the extent that they do, I'd have thought they're trying to realise their policies in a party that stands a chance of governing. Parties are simply means to an end, after all.

Indeed. Thinking 2nd order effects though - Corbyn being elected could prove most problematic for the Greens if they are in any way 'representative' of the recent 'Green surge'. Could easily move them back down to the 1-2% of the vote mark presumably? Any betting opportunities?

With the LibDems buried in a hole that leaves a big electoral space open for them in the centre, if they can bring themselves to do smarten themselves up a bit and do a small-c-conservative, nimby, nice-to-kittens, down-with-all-the-horrible-things kind of vibe.

Name me a single centrist Green candidate ?

How many voters can name their Green candidate?

I should be able to manage if they persuade my other half to stand for the council!

TheScreamingEagles said:

Since 10pm on May 7th it has been a dream to be a Tory

You don't have to be a Tory to enjoy the car crash aka Labour.

welshowl said:

antifrank said:

If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't win from here, I suggest that the opinion pollsters take a period of absence.

You have to at least admire Kellner for "getting back on the horse" after falling off big time on May 7th, especially as the Labour leadership must be a polling nightmare given we have a totally unexpected (well from the perspective of a few weeks ago) apparent leader, and an electorate that is fiendishly difficult to model, that has doubled in size in three months, with at least some within that expressly there to do mischief. So props to YouGov for the effort - though I suspect Kellner will be looking at the result through his fingers from behind the sofa.

Why on earth did Ed not limit the election to those who were members on May 7th or before or those who had at least a year under their belts? Doesn't take Einstein to work out that "anyone can vote for three quid" was open to abuse. He really was deeply crap.


On a further note I think you suggested earler that Labour electing Corbyn was like Arsenal having Gunnersaurus as manager. What has the cheerful sauropod done to deserve such a slur I ask?

Not my line, but Janan Ganesh's, I think intended to sum up how someone who has previously been seen as a harmless mascot is being pushed forward for the top job.

There are worse jobs than being Gunnersaurus. I watched him on Sunday before the match finding all the most attractive women in the front row and giving them a hug. They all seemed pretty happy about this too.

TheScreamingEagles said:

logical_song said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lennon said:

I see that the Labour hierarchy have 'caught' something like 200 odd Green candidates who have registered to vote in the Labour leadership elections. Can anyone explain to me the logic of those who joined in this way? If they were joining to vote for Corbyn, then surely that is the quickest path to destruction for the Green party?

I think it is because Corbyn's brother is a noted opponent/denier of anthropogenic global warming and think Jezza is the same.

So, are the Greens joining Labour to vote against Corbyn?
Is this his brother:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
"At the end of 2007, WeatherAction predicted that temperatures in January could plummet to −17 °C in the Midlands, and that the average temperature for January would be close to freezing. This prediction was dismissed by the Met Office in a Guardian article on 2 January.[21] After the January prediction proved false, Corbyn blamed the incorrect forecast on an undefined 'procedural error,"
"In August 2014 Corbyn confidently predicted that August 2014 would be dominated by southerly winds bringing very warm air across the British Isles resulting in the warmest August for at least 300 years as measured by the CET.[24][25] In the event, August 2014 was dominated by northerly winds resulting in a rather cool month "
"Corbyn is well known for his opposition to the idea of anthropogenic global warming. Corbyn has stated that the anthropogenic contribution to global warming is minimal with any increase in temperature due to increased solar activity"

That's his brother.

The Green logic is Labour is led by someone who doesn't believe in AGW Labour activists and voters will switch to the Greens

Hard to believe that they could be that deluded. Having a leader of a major party espousing those views, with the possibility of his becoming PM - at least a much higher likelihood than a Green PM - should scare them. It shouldn't be something that they are positively promoting.

antifrank said:

welshowl said:

antifrank said:

If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't win from here, I suggest that the opinion pollsters take a period of absence.

You have to at least admire Kellner for "getting back on the horse" after falling off big time on May 7th, especially as the Labour leadership must be a polling nightmare given we have a totally unexpected (well from the perspective of a few weeks ago) apparent leader, and an electorate that is fiendishly difficult to model, that has doubled in size in three months, with at least some within that expressly there to do mischief. So props to YouGov for the effort - though I suspect Kellner will be looking at the result through his fingers from behind the sofa.

Why on earth did Ed not limit the election to those who were members on May 7th or before or those who had at least a year under their belts? Doesn't take Einstein to work out that "anyone can vote for three quid" was open to abuse. He really was deeply crap.


On a further note I think you suggested earler that Labour electing Corbyn was like Arsenal having Gunnersaurus as manager. What has the cheerful sauropod done to deserve such a slur I ask?

Not my line, but Janan Ganesh's, I think intended to sum up how someone who has previously been seen as a harmless mascot is being pushed forward for the top job.

There are worse jobs than being Gunnersaurus. I watched him on Sunday before the match finding all the most attractive women in the front row and giving them a hug. They all seemed pretty happy about this too.

You assume the sauropod I referred to was Gunnersaurus........though from your report it seems the Arsenal mascot one is a he or a lesbian, which had caused me to wonder at times on my occasional visits to the Emirates, as I too had noticed the penchant for the hugging of the ladies.

How does one become a football club mascot, do you need any special qualifications?

#AskingForAFriend

TheScreamingEagles said:

How does one become a football club mascot, do you need any special qualifications?

#AskingForAFriend

I think you have to be elected mayor of Hartlepool first .... oh hang on.

Carolus_Rex said:

Assuming they weren't actually "morons"

Ah, i think I see your problem...

Eagle

"Since 10pm on May 7th it has been a dream to be a Tory"

That's like saying after the Express imploded it's a dream being a Mail reader.

Well no it isn't. A Mail reader is still what a Mail reader's always been....

Carolus_Rex said:

I'm new to this, so may I ask what may be a very silly question? Can someone explain to me in simple terms how Corbyn got on the ballot? Assuming they weren't actually "morons", why did so many MPs who weren't going to support him agree to nominate him?

Some genuinely believed he was a good candidate

Some thought the left should be represented as a point of principle.

Some thought the left should be allowed to stand so they could suffer abject humiliation and never rise again (we all make mistakes).

Some were ordered to nominate him by Burnham, because Burnham thought it would...well, who knows?

Some were bullied into it by huge pressure on social media.

They added up to the required number and here we are.