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Maybe Hillary could face a serious challenge after all for the Democratic nomination
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  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Off topic already. Cats have figured on these pages. No one out cools this cat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mceI44LrEKk
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,743
    4/1 is a great price. Frankly I doubt Biden is the man; this scenario has been played before, eight years ago.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Sunday Times have a got a major story

    ‏@thesundaytimes: REVEALED: If you thought the use of EPO in cycling was bad, it's nothing compared to athletics http://thetim.es/1SRN5bT #dopingscandal
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/627579809179303936
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    ...and there was much rejoicing

    They bravely ran away !!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Neil Kinnock has endorsed Andy Burnham for leader
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,840
    I pointed this out last time, but Joe Biden has a track record of inappropriate touching of women. Nothing illegal, but certainly enough to make all the people in the room uncomfortable, not just the woman being groped. Since there's enough of this on YouTube to make an attack ad, I assume he would not achieve the Presidency
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Kinnock has endorsed Andy Burnham for leader

    No wonder he's slumping to 3rd in the betting mo !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    From the Sunday Times

    FAILED asylum-seeker families will be stripped of their right to benefits in an attempt to make Britain less attractive for migrants like the thousands who have besieged Calais.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Hillary was supposed to walk 2008. Didn't work out like that did it?

    Wouldn't put it past her failing again.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
  • FlightsPathFlightsPath Posts: 82
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/627579809179303936</
    The Olympics are a race between the chemists of different nations.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
    Raheem Sterling is going to run for Mayor of Liverpool in 2017 then?
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
    Raheem Sterling is going to run for Mayor of Liverpool in 2017 then?
    Much too soon :(
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    The Reds are making another attempt at satire, since nobody got the Balotelli joke last season.

    I wonder if Sturridge will ever properly recover from injury and make it through a full season. He looked a good 'un before the injury.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
    Raheem Sterling is going to run for Mayor of Liverpool in 2017 then?
    i thought that gig was lined up for Mark Reckless?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
    Raheem Sterling is going to run for Mayor of Liverpool in 2017 then?
    i thought that gig was lined up for Mark Reckless?
    I'd vote for him. I think Mark Reckless is awesome.

    http://bit.ly/1MElJr1
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
    Raheem Sterling is going to run for Mayor of Liverpool in 2017 then?
    i thought that gig was lined up for Mark Reckless?
    I'd vote for him. I think Mark Reckless is awesome.

    http://bit.ly/1MElJr1
    Who are you? And what have you done with the real TSE?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    He's clearly been Biden his time
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Disraeli said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    Liverpool appear to be Spurs but on a year delay.
    Raheem Sterling is going to run for Mayor of Liverpool in 2017 then?
    i thought that gig was lined up for Mark Reckless?
    I'd vote for him. I think Mark Reckless is awesome.

    http://bit.ly/1MElJr1
    Who are you? And what have you done with the real TSE?
    I'm being magnanimous in victory.

    He gave me the most enjoyable result of election night.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    LMAO, it's so delusional how the Chris Leslies and Tristram Hunts and Rachel Reeveses think the prospect of them walking away holds fear for the average Labour party member. If only had half as much talent as they had personal ambition.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,414
    The Democrats owe us an interesting race, they haven't had once since 2008, so a real shot or not, Biden simply must enter the race. Sure, the Republican race is shaping up to be another hilarious thrill ride, but sometimes you need a break from that.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    Disraeli said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I've just laid a couple of hundred against Mrs C. Where OGH leads, others should follow.

    As long as it's not tips related to Buckingham and/or Red Liberals.

    Rumour is we're going to bid for Alvaro Negredo from Valencia, who will then use the funds to sign Bobby Sol
    I thought the Bobster was off to Villareal?

    Anyhow, our scrapyard clearance seems to be running in to the season start as per... still there's still that big signing we've made to raise hopes... er...
    See here - http://bit.ly/1N0DbmL

    Big signings are nowt, I mean £32.5million for Benteke, a poor man's Emile Heskey
    The Reds are making another attempt at satire, since nobody got the Balotelli joke

    [snip].
    I thought Liverpool got him?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,414
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    LMAO, it's so delusional how the Chris Leslies and Tristram Hunts and Rachel Reeveses think the prospect of them walking away holds fear for the average Labour party member. If only had half as much talent as they had personal ambition.
    I assume they must know the 'fear' of them walking away will in no way sway things back toward Burnoopall, or whoever it is who faces Corbyn in the final round, so they are surely more concerned with appearing the most anti-Corbyn so they can be better placed for if/when Corbyn falls, assuming he wins, no question mark about how they presumably backed him or else why serve under him that a whole bunch of them this time have faced in trying to change direction/tone without criticising a leader they said they were happy with before.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    LMAO, it's so delusional how the Chris Leslies and Tristram Hunts and Rachel Reeveses think the prospect of them walking away holds fear for the average Labour party member. If only had half as much talent as they had personal ambition.
    Corbyn has twice the ego. Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    On topic, I think there's a case now that Biden would be a stronger candidate than Hillary. We've been reminded over the past couple of weeks just what a poor politician Hillary is - it's often forgotten just how bad her 2008 campaign was.

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    On topic, a prediction: it won't be Hillary and it won't be Biden.

    If Biden does come in, the main effect he will have will be to puncture the Hillary bubble, enabling others more scope to come through.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jonathan said:

    Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.

    Apparently he doesn't think any votes should be whipped.

    Looks like he could get his wish...
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    kle4 said:

    The Democrats owe us an interesting race, they haven't had once since 2008, so a real shot or not, Biden simply must enter the race. Sure, the Republican race is shaping up to be another hilarious thrill ride, but sometimes you need a break from that.

    2000 was the real thriller - "hanging chads" and all that.

    Also, Missouri elected a dead guy to the Senate:
    "The 2000 United States Senate election in Missouri was held on November 7, 2000, to select the next U.S. Senator from Missouri. Incumbent Senator John Ashcroft lost re-election to Mel Carnahan, despite the fact Carnahan had died in a plane crash several weeks before election day." [wikipedia]
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Jonathan said:

    He's clearly been Biden his time

    Have you been working on that for three years?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    I seem to recall asking last year, but are there any pb fantasy football (soccer that is) players?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    In hindsight, the fact that before the election the Tories hadn't won an overall majority since 1992 looks like it was an indication that maybe the time had come for them to do so. Using the same logic, the Republicans may be heading for a presidential win next year given they've only won the popular once since 1990, and won just two elections over the same period of time.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Disraeli said:

    kle4 said:

    The Democrats owe us an interesting race, they haven't had once since 2008, so a real shot or not, Biden simply must enter the race. Sure, the Republican race is shaping up to be another hilarious thrill ride, but sometimes you need a break from that.

    2000 was the real thriller - "hanging chads" and all that.

    Also, Missouri elected a dead guy to the Senate:
    "The 2000 United States Senate election in Missouri was held on November 7, 2000, to select the next U.S. Senator from Missouri. Incumbent Senator John Ashcroft lost re-election to Mel Carnahan, despite the fact Carnahan had died in a plane crash several weeks before election day." [wikipedia]
    Not as weird as Herman Talmadge's first election: He "won" despite not being on the ballot.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Governors_Controversy
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Disraeli said:

    kle4 said:

    The Democrats owe us an interesting race, they haven't had once since 2008, so a real shot or not, Biden simply must enter the race. Sure, the Republican race is shaping up to be another hilarious thrill ride, but sometimes you need a break from that.

    2000 was the real thriller - "hanging chads" and all that.

    Also, Missouri elected a dead guy to the Senate:
    "The 2000 United States Senate election in Missouri was held on November 7, 2000, to select the next U.S. Senator from Missouri. Incumbent Senator John Ashcroft lost re-election to Mel Carnahan, despite the fact Carnahan had died in a plane crash several weeks before election day." [wikipedia]
    Not as weird as Herman Talmadge's first election: He "won" despite not being on the ballot.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Governors_Controversy
    Mr Fox, you are right. That is indeed weird. :astonished:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Neil Kinnock: Labour needs a prime minister, not a debate. It needs Andy Burnham. The party must not settle for angry opposition. We must focus on victory and choose a leader who can win.

    http://bit.ly/1DZW0kP
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Kinnock: Labour needs a prime minister, not a debate. It needs Andy Burnham. The party must not settle for angry opposition. We must focus on victory and choose a leader who can win.

    http://bit.ly/1DZW0kP

    Fair enough. Listen to Neil Kinnock. He knows all about leading the labour Party to victory in General Elections . . . . oh! wait!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Disraeli said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Kinnock: Labour needs a prime minister, not a debate. It needs Andy Burnham. The party must not settle for angry opposition. We must focus on victory and choose a leader who can win.

    http://bit.ly/1DZW0kP

    Fair enough. Listen to Neil Kinnock. He knows all about leading the labour Party to victory in General Elections . . . . oh! wait!
    Harsh on Kinnock.

    He knows what happens when the hard left try and take over the Labour party.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    LMAO, it's so delusional how the Chris Leslies and Tristram Hunts and Rachel Reeveses think the prospect of them walking away holds fear for the average Labour party member. If only had half as much talent as they had personal ambition.
    I've seen Chris Leslie in action. He was an above average Bradford Met councillor. He was a below average constituency MP.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,457
    david_herdson said:

    On topic, a prediction: it won't be Hillary and it won't be Biden.

    If Biden does come in, the main effect he will have will be to puncture the Hillary bubble, enabling others more scope to come through.

    I think that's spot on: Biden going for the presidency allows others to throw their hat into the ring. The moment Biden announces, it's curtains for Hillary.

    Take the 4-1.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    edited August 2015
    The eight are Chris Leslie, Vernon Coaker, Emma Reynolds, Shabana Mahmood,Cooper & Kendall, Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Who?
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The eight are Chris Leslie, Vernon Coaker, Emma Reynolds, Shabana Mahmood,Cooper & Kendall, Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out, any of you
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,414
    edited August 2015
    handandmouse said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The eight are Chris Leslie, Vernon Coaker, Emma Reynolds, Shabana Mahmood,Cooper & Kendall, Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out, any of you
    Hey, I've actually heard of six of them, that surely shows them to be colossi of the Labour party.

    It does seem there are very few downsides to a Corbyn win, in all honesty, if that is the Tories hold up their end and split into squabbling at some point, so the potential lack coordinated effective opposition will not be as concerning.

    A good night to all.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Disraeli said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Kinnock: Labour needs a prime minister, not a debate. It needs Andy Burnham. The party must not settle for angry opposition. We must focus on victory and choose a leader who can win.

    http://bit.ly/1DZW0kP

    Fair enough. Listen to Neil Kinnock. He knows all about leading the labour Party to victory in General Elections . . . . oh! wait!
    Harsh on Kinnock.

    He knows what happens when the hard left try and take over the Labour party.
    Fair enough TSE. I stand corrected. :blush:

    It's just that (regardless of the pros and cons of policies) Neil Kinnock is someone to whom I feel no personal warmth whatsoever, unlike Michael Foot, Jim Callaghan, John Smith and pre-lunacy Blair.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited August 2015
    Surely with elected cabinet positions under corbyn rule makes their cabinet boycott meaningless? They just won't put themselves forward for the party election. The major problems will arise if either:
    1. Nobody puts themselves forward (which is unlikely given they still have over 200 MPs)
    2. Party defections start to take place
    3. Opinion polls show Labour has turned toxic and the discontent starts to mount

    EDIT: Maybe also Derek Hatton, George Galloway and Gerry Adams association will be a killer blow.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,790
    edited August 2015
    Jonathan said:



    Corbyn has twice the ego. Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.

    Corbyn has a less obtrusive ego than anyone I've ever met. Other snags, yes, but not that.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the Sunday Times

    FAILED asylum-seeker families will be stripped of their right to benefits in an attempt to make Britain less attractive for migrants like the thousands who have besieged Calais.

    Smart move. We should make sure there is no part of the system where we are more generous than France. If France gets away with it, EU law can not strike it down here.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Sort of implies the others said they'd serve. Then again, probably a question to which there is no right answer...
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Thanks Mike for doing a thread on this. I have felt a lonely voice saying this over and over again for the past few months. Her support was broad and thin. Now it is not so broad and more brittle.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,816
    Some aides whose jobs were due to end when acting leader Harriet Harman stands down are now expected to be put on permanent contracts to prevent a Corbyn “purge”.

    “There is a push to keep good people, sensible people, there,” one insider said.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Some aides whose jobs were due to end when acting leader Harriet Harman stands down are now expected to be put on permanent contracts to prevent a Corbyn “purge”.

    “There is a push to keep good people, sensible people, there,” one insider said.

    May I just add, this has been the most fun I've had for as little as £3 in years! Long live the loony left.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    @ Dr Foxinzox. After this morning's thread, tracked down a few more PSB videos. I definitely liked Everest, but London Can Take It takes it for the moment. Wish I were still living in Brixton to go see them at the Academy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Cooper and Kendall in the eight? Doesn't that equate to running up the white flag in favour of Andy Burnham? Vote Burnham - or this big talent pool isn't playing any more....
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    edited August 2015
    4/1's a decent price, but not by much methinks. Clinton not only has a staggering war chest and commanding polling, but even more potently has massive endorsement support and only 5 months until Iowa. She lost from a commanding lead once, but her position is substantially stronger than it was 8 years ago.

    This time 8 years ago Clinton had about 100 'points' of endorsements (using 538's scoring system), she has 295 today. 8 years ago she was averaging 40% or so in national primary polls to Obama's 20% - today it is more like 60/20. And Obama had been campaigning for months by now, unlike Biden or anyone other than Sanders who could challenge her. And in 2008 she barely lost despite the most remarkable underdog win in a primary season for many cycles.

    Hillary Clinton is rightly not just the bookie's favourite, but an overwhelming favourite.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Some aides whose jobs were due to end when acting leader Harriet Harman stands down are now expected to be put on permanent contracts to prevent a Corbyn “purge”.

    “There is a push to keep good people, sensible people, there,” one insider said.

    They obviously have no idea how a large organisation works. They will end up in a small office doing nothing until they decide to go out and get a real job.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    handandmouse said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The eight are Chris Leslie, Vernon Coaker, Emma Reynolds, Shabana Mahmood,Cooper & Kendall, Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out, any of you
    This is the most enjoyable time in British politics since Gordon Brown was thrown out of Downing Street.

    The end of the Labour Party for another 10 years minimum - happy days.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,624
    JEO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the Sunday Times

    FAILED asylum-seeker families will be stripped of their right to benefits in an attempt to make Britain less attractive for migrants like the thousands who have besieged Calais.

    Smart move. We should make sure there is no part of the system where we are more generous than France. If France gets away with it, EU law can not strike it down here.
    It would have been a 'smart move' 10 years ago. Now it's just stating the bleeding obvious and a reminder of how useless our Government is on immigration that they've not already done it.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,624
    SeanT said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Jonathan said:



    Corbyn has twice the ego. Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.

    Corbyn has a less obtrusive ego than anyone I've ever met. Other snags, yes, but not that.
    Yeah. Coupla snags. You've probably already discussed this (I've been in Portugal, the Douro Valley, v nice) but the Observer reports today that Corbyn wants the UK to "exit NATO". A position too extreme even for the SNP.

    He really is 100%, grade AAA, chateau-bottled DOC Essence of Unelectability.

    Oh heavens. Fabulous.

    Even if he loses now it's hard to see Labour avoiding a descent into a decade of pointless self harm.

    Labour. The Corbynplosion.
    All of our alliances should be constantly under review - it's very Palmerstonian of Corbyn. I like him more and more.

  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    TGOHF said:

    handandmouse said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The eight are Chris Leslie, Vernon Coaker, Emma Reynolds, Shabana Mahmood,Cooper & Kendall, Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out, any of you
    This is the most enjoyable time in British politics since Gordon Brown was thrown out of Downing Street.

    The end of the Labour Party for another 10 years minimum - happy days.
    What you have to consider is how long the Tories will continue with out major changes. Already the cracks are beginning to show.

    Politics has changed. Get real. Get ready.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,624
    Joe Biden is a strange man. There's a whole internet meme of him creepily whispering in women's ears from behind. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/9-times-joe-biden-whispered-in-womens-ears.html

    Who does that?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    SeanT said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Jonathan said:



    Corbyn has twice the ego. Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.

    Corbyn has a less obtrusive ego than anyone I've ever met. Other snags, yes, but not that.
    Yeah. Coupla snags. You've probably already discussed this (I've been in Portugal, the Douro Valley, v nice) but the Observer reports today that Corbyn wants the UK to "exit NATO". A position too extreme even for the SNP.

    He really is 100%, grade AAA, chateau-bottled DOC Essence of Unelectability.

    Oh heavens. Fabulous.

    Even if he loses now it's hard to see Labour avoiding a descent into a decade of pointless self harm.

    Labour. The Corbynplosion.
    I'm looking forward to the Purge of the Unfaithful once Corbyn is elected.

    Nobody expects the Corbynquisition.....
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    In hindsight, the fact that before the election the Tories hadn't won an overall majority since 1992 looks like it was an indication that maybe the time had come for them to do so. Using the same logic, the Republicans may be heading for a presidential win next year given they've only won the popular once since 1990, and won just two elections over the same period of time.

    I agree with this. America must be simply bored of Democrats by now. This election is there for the taking by Reps if they can find a halfway competent candidate.
    Er! No. Looking at discussions , I think the Republicans have more of a problem. Just think, Trump verses Clinton. Er! Well, even the US voters couldn't be that stupid? On second thoughts,
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    SeanT said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Jonathan said:



    Corbyn has twice the ego. Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.

    Corbyn has a less obtrusive ego than anyone I've ever met. Other snags, yes, but not that.
    Yeah. Coupla snags. You've probably already discussed this (I've been in Portugal, the Douro Valley, v nice) but the Observer reports today that Corbyn wants the UK to "exit NATO". A position too extreme even for the SNP.

    He really is 100%, grade AAA, chateau-bottled DOC Essence of Unelectability.

    Oh heavens. Fabulous.

    Even if he loses now it's hard to see Labour avoiding a descent into a decade of pointless self harm.

    Labour. The Corbynplosion.
    I'm looking forward to the Purge of the Unfaithful once Corbyn is elected.

    Nobody expects the Corbynquisition.....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    I didn't know about Corbyn and NATO. That really does mean he would struggle to win 25% and 150 seats. Labour would kiss goodbye to Barrow and Furness for starters, where their majority was unexpectedly reduced from 5,000 to 800 at this year's election.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Too many PBTories critising the planks in others eyes, totally forgetting the splinters in their own.
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    SeanT said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeanT said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Jonathan said:



    Corbyn has twice the ego. Hope he doesn't expect anyone to follow his whip.

    Corbyn has a less obtrusive ego than anyone I've ever met. Other snags, yes, but not that.
    Yeah. Coupla snags. You've probably already discussed this (I've been in Portugal, the Douro Valley, v nice) but the Observer reports today that Corbyn wants the UK to "exit NATO". A position too extreme even for the SNP.

    He really is 100%, grade AAA, chateau-bottled DOC Essence of Unelectability.

    Oh heavens. Fabulous.

    Even if he loses now it's hard to see Labour avoiding a descent into a decade of pointless self harm.

    Labour. The Corbynplosion.
    All of our alliances should be constantly under review - it's very Palmerstonian of Corbyn. I like him more and more.

    I like him too. He will bring a fresh new voice to British politics, give lefties a leader they can passionately support, and ensure Labour is unelectable for 15 years, and possibly forever if they split. What's not to love?
    Exactly.

    Ballot papers arrive in about 2 weeks. Pencil ready. (Though I'll probably vote online...?)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    It was fashionable to say the Tories were finished as a political force capable of winning an overall majority in around 2004 when they'd just gone from Hague to IDS to Howard. But as soon as they chose a decent leader their fortunes were reversed dramatically. The same thing could happen with the GOP.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Joe Biden is a strange man. There's a whole internet meme of him creepily whispering in women's ears from behind. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/9-times-joe-biden-whispered-in-womens-ears.html

    Who does that?

    Thanks for bring that to my attention.
    Biden's Dracula-like menacing of McAleese is especially enjoyable.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The eight are Chris Leslie, Vernon Coaker, Emma Reynolds, Shabana Mahmood,Cooper & Kendall, Chuka Umunna and Tristram Hunt.

    The relevant point there is surely the absence of Burnham's name. Does that play for him or against, bearing in mind that Corbyn's second preferences are of no value? My instinct is that it's to his advantage and against Cooper's. Labour values solidarity and taking your bat and ball home just because you lost looks like a slap in the face to the electorate that's just chosen someone else (and also looks like waiting for the next opportunity - putting self above party).
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    What does "walk away" mean? Refuse to serve in the shadow cabinet?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    An Ed Miliband endorsement for Burnham or Cooper could be what makes the difference.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    Danny565 said:

    An Ed Miliband endorsement for Burnham or Cooper could be what makes the difference.

    Kiss of death you mean?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2015
    AndyJS said:

    Danny565 said:

    An Ed Miliband endorsement for Burnham or Cooper could be what makes the difference.

    Kiss of death you mean?
    Not within the party, no. Ed is more popular with grassroots members than all these shadow cabinet no-marks who are sounding off.
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    I'm not betting on the deputy race, but for anyone who is...

    A leaked email from the 'Anyone But Corbyn' campaign group Labour First contains the following recommendation to recipients:

    "Tom Watson has a particularly long-standing connection to Labour First and has spoken at our events."

    http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=271f6fffa61efcfd965911e04&id=10b9f4f30f

    If word gets around, expect a lot of Corbyn supporters to change their deputy votes accordingly.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    handandmouse said:

    I'm not betting on the deputy race, but for anyone who is...

    A leaked email from the 'Anyone But Corbyn' campaign group Labour First contains the following recommendation to recipients:

    "Tom Watson has a particularly long-standing connection to Labour First and has spoken at our events."

    http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=271f6fffa61efcfd965911e04&id=10b9f4f30f

    If word gets around, expect a lot of Corbyn supporters to change their deputy votes accordingly.

    Angela Eagle has been making a rather clever play as the most Corbyn-friendly candidate.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited August 2015
    FTP
    TheScreamingEagles said:



    Some of the polls prior to the invasion of the Falklands

    NOP 5/2/1982 - Con 41, Lab 36, SDP 21

    Mori 31/3/1982 - Con 35, Lab 30, SDP 33

    The Falklands war of April-June 1982 was the turning point in Mrs Thatcher's premiership, indeed in her political career. The previous October, the Tory party conference had been alive with dissent. The so-called "wets" were openly conspiring against her. Bets were being taken against her surviving into the new year.
    TheScreamingEagles said:



    Some of the polls prior to the invasion of the Falklands

    NOP 5/2/1982 - Con 41, Lab 36, SDP 21

    Mori 31/3/1982 - Con 35, Lab 30, SDP 33

    TheScreamingEagles said:



    Some of the polls prior to the invasion of the Falklands

    NOP 5/2/1982 - Con 41, Lab 36, SDP 21

    Mori 31/3/1982 - Con 35, Lab 30, SDP 33

    http://www . the guardian . com/politics/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-falklands-gamble
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    That is disputed by a lot of people who know what they're talking about. One of the main reasons is that there's evidence the SDP bubble started to burst just before the Falklands War rather than during or after it.
    Beverley_C said:

    FTP

    TheScreamingEagles said:



    Some of the polls prior to the invasion of the Falklands

    NOP 5/2/1982 - Con 41, Lab 36, SDP 21

    Mori 31/3/1982 - Con 35, Lab 30, SDP 33

    The Falklands war of April-June 1982 was the turning point in Mrs Thatcher's premiership, indeed in her political career. The previous October, the Tory party conference had been alive with dissent. The so-called "wets" were openly conspiring against her. Bets were being taken against her surviving into the new year.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,572
    Labour has been systematically undermining its talent for years now. First there were the Brownite cabal briefing against anyone who might pose a threat to Brown's ambitions to succeed Blair. And then Unite/Len McClusky/Watson started throwing their weight around with their own petty vendettas over the last few years. And now we see Labour grass roots willing to let some the next generation of Labour MP's walk out the door, and for what, to elect one of the most disloyal MP's under the last few leaders. Brave move, it really is all going a bit IDS with this Labour Leadership contest and I really am beginning to wonder if the next Labour Leader capable of winning a GE is even now yet an elected MP in the Commons.
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ‏@STJamesl: At least eight shadow cabinet ministers to walk away if corbyn wins - @thesundaytimes tomorrrow

    LMAO, it's so delusional how the Chris Leslies and Tristram Hunts and Rachel Reeveses think the prospect of them walking away holds fear for the average Labour party member. If only had half as much talent as they had personal ambition.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    Danny565 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Danny565 said:

    An Ed Miliband endorsement for Burnham or Cooper could be what makes the difference.

    Kiss of death you mean?
    Not within the party, no. Ed is more popular with grassroots members than all these shadow cabinet no-marks who are sounding off.
    I've seen a lot of comments on Labour websites describing Ed as a right-wing, Tory-lite failure.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited August 2015
    Sorry for the mess below. Cutting and pasting on a smartphone between multiple sessions is not my strong point
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited August 2015
    AndyJS said:

    That is disputed by a lot of people who know what they're talking about. One of the main reasons is that there's evidence the SDP bubble started to burst just before the Falklands War rather than during or after it

    the article arees with my memory from the time. She was unpopular, unemployment was high and The infighting was introducing thr word "wets" to the public.

    After the falklands she could do no wrong
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,743
    AndyJS said:

    Danny565 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Danny565 said:

    An Ed Miliband endorsement for Burnham or Cooper could be what makes the difference.

    Kiss of death you mean?
    Not within the party, no. Ed is more popular with grassroots members than all these shadow cabinet no-marks who are sounding off.
    I've seen a lot of comments on Labour websites describing Ed as a right-wing, Tory-lite failure.
    Well, ConservativeHome would have had you believe at times that David Cameron was the party's doom.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited August 2015
    Evening Fitalass. I hope that you and loon and the boys are well. I am glad that your cat seems to be recovering from his war wounds
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    Do people still memorise phone numbers? Maybe they don't because they don't need to. Interesting question.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Gallup 12/04/1982 Con 31.5 Lab 29 Alliance 37

    Mori 14/04/1982 Con 33 Lab 34 Alliance 30.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Goodmight all. The words are dancing on the screen so I think itis time for sleep
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited August 2015
    Why I think Corbyn to win still has some value and is highly likely to win irrespective of the long term damage...

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=/m/025m87, /m/025l86, /m/025m7x, /m/0bxznxr, Labour leadership&amp;geo=GB&amp;date=3/2015 7m&amp;cmpt=q&amp;tz=Etc/GMT-1

    Clear momentum and the polls roughly match the Google search popularity data. People searching is significant when anyone can buy a vote.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,572
    edited August 2015
    Hi Beverley, hope all is well with you and all the family. We lost our old cat Jasper a few months back and we got a couple of five month old black cats from the Cat Protection League. They are not siblings, but they are inseparable now as they were both rescued when just a few days old, and within a day of each. As they were both found on their own, the CPL decided to put them together for company and they bonded. When fitaloon discovered that my friend next door had got a black cat from a rescue centre the same weekend, his only question was where were we going to park our broomsticks!! :)
    Beverley_C said:

    Evening Fitalass. I hope that you and loon and the boys are well. I am glad that your cat seems to be recovering from his war wounds

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speaking of the US election I have noticed this week a large number of commercials for Chris Christie, by both his campaign and a SuperPAC.

    I have seen no commercials for any other candidates.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    AndyJS said:

    Do people still memorise phone numbers? Maybe they don't because they don't need to. Interesting question.

    The boy who was knocked down and injured by a car and then helped by Tom Daley's mum while waiting for the ambulance, remembered his dad's phone number. He had been trained to, just in case it was needed in an emergncy.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-olympic-diver-tom-daleys-6175394

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Hi Fitalass

    It sounds like Loon better watch out in case he gets eye of newt and ear of bat in his stew. Hubble,bubble toil snd trouble ;)

    our moggie passed away some time sgo. She was a stray who simply sat on the doorstep until we fed her. Given that the kids are older - one has flown the nest, the other is now 18 - we decided not to have another pet because we intend to make more use of our increasing freedom and an animal can really tie you down.

    we are all well which is the important thing :)
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