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The vote split was 56.5% to Norman Lamb’s 43.5:
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Who? Who?0
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Surprised it was so close.0
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I'm very surprised TO was only 56%.0
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Farron isn't going to help win back those on the right of the party who voted Tory in May.
I appreciate that with only 7 MPs to choose from, the party didn't have an embarrassment of riches in terms of possible candidates, but retreating to the left is not the way to regain all those lost seats in the South.
Lamb lacks personality - but he is a far more appealing leader0 -
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Except the Lib Dems' best performance in the South / in Tory seats came under lefty Kennedy.oxfordsimon said:Farron isn't going to help win back those on the right of the party who voted Tory in May.
I appreciate that with only 7 MPs to choose from, the party didn't have an embarrassment of riches in terms of possible candidates, but retreating to the left is not the way to regain all those lost seats in the South.
Lamb lacks personality - but he is a far more appealing leader0 -
But they voted Charles Kennedy twice?oxfordsimon said:Farron isn't going to help win back those on the right of the party who voted Tory in May.
I appreciate that with only 7 MPs to choose from, the party didn't have an embarrassment of riches in terms of possible candidates, but retreating to the left is not the way to regain all those lost seats in the South.
Lamb lacks personality - but he is a far more appealing leader
Not sure how "right" or "left" are very relevant to the Lib Dems. The best campaigner won.0 -
Only 56% turnout? That makes it a voting pool of about 2 men and a dog....0
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Also Farron's very public Christianity is going to do more harm than good when it comes to establishing a broad appeal.
I find it very hard to associate liberal attitudes and Church attitudes. The two are often very much at odds.0 -
He really is one of a kind
The Duke of Edinburgh is known for his embarrassing gaffes so it is no wonder he managed to insult a London community centre group during an official visit today.
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It comes less than a week after the 94-year-old royal was caught on camera shouting 'just take the f****** picture' during a photocall for the Battle of Britain anniversary.
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Congratulations OGH on your unblemished LD leadership voting record.
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Never mind mike,your not alone,the liberal Democrat membership never vote a winner.0
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That is somewhat low surely. 1000/1 is more likelydr_spyn said:Ladbrokes Politics @LadPolitics 26s27 seconds ago
Ladbrokes:
@timfarron is 200/1 to be next PM.0 -
Farron and Corbyn ?
The Gang of Four reform?0 -
I would have voted for Lamb.
Still, selecting Farron will enable the LibDems to outflank Labour on the left . . . Oh! Wait! . . .
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Good time to be taking over. Many, many left of centre votes out there, goodness knows what they are making of labour.0
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But what was the result? I still can't find the result anywhere. Have they even announced it yet? I don't want to be fobbed off, insulted and patronised with a summary, a headline, or percentages. I want to know the result.0
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Shamelessly borrowed from John Rentoul, but I'm sure that some on here will enjoy this article:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/03/health-food-fads-quinoa-guilt-free-diet
Any article that includes the following opening to a section:
"I was innocently picking samphire with some friends on the Essex coast..."
is gold-dust for me.0 -
Well Farron won but closer than suspected I think.0
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Good grief, Tim Farron certainly works his Twitter hard.0
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Ladbrokes Politics @LadPolitics 44s44 seconds ago
Lib Dems to win over 8 seats at next GE: 1/3
Lib Dems to win a byelection in this parliament: 5/4
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Well, I wouldn't have voted for him as he annoys me at some basic level. But he's brave, very brave to take this one on.0
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The public have switched off from politics for their costumery five year kip.taffys said:Good time to be taking over. Many, many left of centre votes out there, goodness knows what they are making of labour.
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Afternoon all
Unfortunately, Mike, I retain my record of having voted for the winner in every LD leadership election contest except 2006 when I didn't vote as Mrs Stodge and I were travelling the world.
I remember going to an Internet cafe in Paihia to comment on here about the Dunfermline & West Fife by-election won by Willie Rennie.
One or two predictable comments from the Conservative-inclined on the previous thread - any time anyone uses the words, "cripes", "crikey" or "wowsers" I lose all interest pretty much as I do with any references to the Punic Wars.
Some of said Conservative grouping were wittering on about a 56% turnout - the 2005 Conservative leadership election only managed 61% so not much to get on the collective high horse about there.
I thought Norman Lamb would poll over 40% and lose - the members' poll from earlier in the week was a pretty good guide to the outcome.
Finally, and most important, congratulations to Tim and best wishes.0 -
For comparison:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/page/2/
"LD Newswire survey has Tim Farron heading for 58-42% victory over Norman Lamb for next party leader "
Not bad polling at all. Are the Labour polls anywhere near as accurate as this? Obviously AV makes it harder.0 -
Imagine what @SeanT might do with that quote.antifrank said:Shamelessly borrowed from John Rentoul, but I'm sure that some on here will enjoy this article:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/03/health-food-fads-quinoa-guilt-free-diet
Any article that includes the following opening to a section:
"I was innocently picking samphire with some friends on the Essex coast..."
is gold-dust for me.
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Who are you voting for next time? So I can put a long term bet on.stodge said:Afternoon all
Unfortunately, Mike, I retain my record of having voted for the winner in every LD leadership election contest except 2006 when I didn't vote as Mrs Stodge and I were travelling the world.
I remember going to an Internet cafe in Paihia to comment on here about the Dunfermline & West Fife by-election won by Willie Rennie.
One or two predictable comments from the Conservative-inclined on the previous thread - any time anyone uses the words, "cripes", "crikey" or "wowsers" I lose all interest pretty much as I do with any references to the Punic Wars.
Some of said Conservative grouping were wittering on about a 56% turnout - the 2005 Conservative leadership election only managed 61% so not much to get on the collective high horse about there.
I thought Norman Lamb would poll over 40% and lose - the members' poll from earlier in the week was a pretty good guide to the outcome.
Finally, and most important, congratulations to Tim and best wishes.0 -
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Britain Elects @britainelects 33s34 seconds ago
Liberal Democrat leadership result (by popular vote):
Farron - 19,137
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"I was innocently picking samphire with some friends on the Essex coast..."
Is this the new - “I was innocently watching badgers on Hampstead Heath” excuse..?0 -
How to lose the next General Election, Part 1: scrap Radio 2.0
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The man's a loon,he wants 60 thousand asylum seekers brought over now without thinking what's it means for people living here,like housing,schools or social services been cut.oxfordsimon said:Also Farron's very public Christianity is going to do more harm than good when it comes to establish a broad appeal.
I find it very hard to associate liberal attitudes and Church attitudes. The two are often very much at odds.
We already have six hundred thousand economic migrants in one year with thousands we take in already in asylum case's.
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@stephenkb: The problem for Tim Farron is isn't the "slightly to the left of an electable Labour party" market pretty well cornered by the Labour party?0
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I did wonder whether SeanT had written the article.dr_spyn said:
Imagine what @SeanT might do with that quote.antifrank said:Shamelessly borrowed from John Rentoul, but I'm sure that some on here will enjoy this article:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/03/health-food-fads-quinoa-guilt-free-diet
Any article that includes the following opening to a section:
"I was innocently picking samphire with some friends on the Essex coast..."
is gold-dust for me.0 -
England may need a bit of "English summer" to help out this test :P0
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We now have a leader of a Liberal party that didn't vote in favour of same sex marriage and was one of the very few MP's excluded from the coalition.
Very strange choice, any idea what his USP is ?0 -
Sign of how far the party's fallen, this is the video of the grand announcement:
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/6217076922314260480 -
And the Conservatives are to the right on economic policy.Scott_P said:@stephenkb: The problem for Tim Farron is isn't the "slightly to the left of an electable Labour party" market pretty well cornered by the Labour party?
But only Lib Dems are to the left on Social policy and to the right on Economic policy - although Tim Farron may try to change this.0 -
The candidates weren't there??? That isn't something I'd have tweeted.Danny565 said:
Sign of how far the party's fallen, this is the video of the grand announcement:
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/6217076922314260480 -
Remember the Tory primary in Rochester & Strood where they refused to announce the actual voting figures? They just released percentages. There was a suspicion that so few people took part that releasing the voting figures would have been embarrassing. As far as I'm aware those figures still haven't been published.JohnLoony said:But what was the result? I still can't find the result anywhere. Have they even announced it yet? I don't want to be fobbed off, insulted and patronised with a summary, a headline, or percentages. I want to know the result.
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@Scott_P
'@stephenkb: The problem for Tim Farron is isn't the "slightly to the left of an electable Labour party" market pretty well cornered by the Labour party?'
It's the Labour party with the add on of love for all things EU.0 -
Typical of the Liberal Bigots we keep hearing about, who shout you down and think you are evil if you disagree with them on SSM, to elect him as their leader.john_zims said:We now have a leader of a Liberal party that didn't vote in favour of same sex marriage and was one of the very few MP's excluded from the coalition.
Very strange choice, any idea what his USP is ?0 -
Considering he started as overwhelming favourite I'm not sure 56% demonstrates that great of a campaigner. Poor start to an irrelevant leadership.EPG said:
But they voted Charles Kennedy twice?oxfordsimon said:Farron isn't going to help win back those on the right of the party who voted Tory in May.
I appreciate that with only 7 MPs to choose from, the party didn't have an embarrassment of riches in terms of possible candidates, but retreating to the left is not the way to regain all those lost seats in the South.
Lamb lacks personality - but he is a far more appealing leader
Not sure how "right" or "left" are very relevant to the Lib Dems. The best campaigner won.0 -
Farron: 19,137
Lamb: 14,7600 -
Do we know how the MPs voted? Just out of curiosity.0
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MPs supporting Farron: John Pugh, Greg Mulholland, Mark Williams.Plato said:Do we know how the MPs voted? Just out of curiosity.
http://timfarron.co.uk/en/article/2015/1091644/5-more-senior-lib-dems-back-farron-for-leader
Tom Brake supported Norman Lamb:
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/12943194.I_won_t_stand_as_leader_but_I_back_Norman_Lamb_says_Tom_Brake/
That leaves Alistair Carmichael and Nick Clegg.0 -
Lamb was backed by Paddy Ashdown and Ming Campbell:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/norman-lamb-wins-backing-of-youth-leaders-in-bid-to-win-liberal-democrat-leadership-10380123.html0 -
Both secured more votes in their own constituencies at the last general election. Instead of touring the country, perhaps they should have stayed at home signing up their local voters.AndyJS said:Farron: 19,137
Lamb: 14,7600 -
Why do you Tories get everything so wrong, Mr Zims?john_zims said:We now have a leader of a Liberal party that didn't vote in favour of same sex marriage and was one of the very few MP's excluded from the coalition. Very strange choice, any idea what his USP is ?
Just comes naturally, I suppose.0 -
Well at least 12.5% of the LibDem parliamentary party voted for himself..!Plato said:Do we know how the MPs voted? Just out of curiosity.
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FPT:
One would imagine that TFEU is the most important, being the document it is all based on, and its is the one that is being conspicuously broken by just about everyone!rcs1000 said:
The problem is that the different duties and requirements of the ECB contradict themselves (as various parts of most constitutions do, for that matter).JEO said:He's not accusing it of being too lax. He's accusing it of being illegal.
So: it is illegal for the ECB to prop up an insolvent bank.
But does that mean that at the first sign a bank *might* be insolvent, that the ECB pulls the plug? If so, then private sector investors will flee the bank if they think it might be... And then it will be...
In other words, is the ECB's financial stability mandate more important than its insolvency one? Or its monetary funding one? It seems that either option will involve the directors of the ECB potentially acting illegally, and therefore they need to be clear and open in their reasoning.
Like in most crises, it is an adhocracy, with people trying their hardest to solve a crisis, given political and legal constraints. I highly doubt that any of the directors of the ECB, or the ECB itself, could be in legal trouble because not doing what they did is as likely to be "illegal" as what they did do...
Returning to your earlier comments, I was indeed saying that the EU was behaving unlawfully, but to answer your narrower point, I don't think either was right, the bailout is neither to strict not to lax, its too illegal, it should not have happened, the banks that took the stupid commercial decisions should have paid the penalties, and if they went under the governments should have assumed the mortgages, which would have worked out dramatically cheaper that supporting the banks so they could support the mortgages. The IMF had no business giving a bail out as its against their founding principles to bail out an insolvent country, the EU/ECB had no business giving a bail out its counter to TFEU 123 & 125.
Politicians, eurocrats and the powers that be expect citizens to follow the laws, and are increasingly draconian and uncompromising when people do not, and yet these same people expect the voters to look the other way when they lie and swindle and break their word, and their agreements. Call me a bit old fashioned, I am looking for more integrity in public life, the reason I despise Cameron is because he is a snake oil salesman, he spins any crap he thinks he cant get away with before then all those promises suddenly become aspirations after the election, immigration under 100k anyone ? The EU has the same problem only they don't even pretend.0 -
we used to get this in local government, when it was far too fat for its own good. The officer core would never offer up savings that were back office, it was always the most politically sensitive (and headline grabbing) options.rottenborough said:How to lose the next General Election, Part 1: scrap Radio 2.
The BBC has a long way to go before it starts to get serious.0 -
Mr. Smithson = electoral kryptonite.
Mr. Smithson, you're not Lembit Opik in disguise, are you?
Miss Plato, the Duke of Edinburgh's in a uniquely bulletproof position, and it's entertaining to see him make use of it.0 -
Michael Portillo got 19,137 votes in 1997.0
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The Tories must be rubbing their hands at the possibility of the LDs being led by Farron and Labour by Corbyn.0
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Mr. JS, potentially UKIP opportunity, though one suspects Farage will once again fail to take advantage.0
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Same also with the Veritas party leadership election, in which Winston McKenzie came third with 40 votes. The result was announced in percentages but the numbers were leaked anyway.AndyJS said:
Remember the Tory primary in Rochester & Strood where they refused to announce the actual voting figures? They just released percentages. There was a suspicion that so few people took part that releasing the voting figures would have been embarrassing. As far as I'm aware those figures still haven't been published.JohnLoony said:But what was the result? I still can't find the result anywhere. Have they even announced it yet? I don't want to be fobbed off, insulted and patronised with a summary, a headline, or percentages. I want to know the result.
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Funny we keep hearing how the Lib Dems have gained members. Chris Huhne got more votes than either of those when he lost the last leadership election.AndyJS said:Farron: 19,137
Lamb: 14,760
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Will Farage be in charge by the next election? I can see him standing down either way after the referendum.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. JS, potentially UKIP opportunity, though one suspects Farage will once again fail to take advantage.
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@PClipp
'Why do you Tories get everything so wrong, Mr Zims?'
Perhaps you can remind us of which ministerial position Farron held in the coalition.
Is Wikipedia entry wrong?
He voted in favour of allowing marriage between two people of same sex at the second reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill but he voted not to timetable the debate on the Bill, which would have made it much more difficult to pass had the House of Commons agreed with his position;[24] and he did not vote for equal marriage on the third reading of the Bill.[25]
He also voted against the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations, which for the first time imposed a general restriction on businesses discriminating against people on the grounds of sexual orientation.[26]
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Mr. JEO, I can't.
He avoided government to help his prospects of leadership. He's not going to give it up, anymore than Miliband could after his occupational fratricide.
Slightly random one question historical quiz: which significant historical figure had ocular heterochromia (different coloured eyes)?0 -
I would love to hear the D of E's views on the Greek crisis !!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson = electoral kryptonite.
Mr. Smithson, you're not Lembit Opik in disguise, are you?
Miss Plato, the Duke of Edinburgh's in a uniquely bulletproof position, and it's entertaining to see him make use of it.0 -
The Divisional Court (Bean LJ & Collins J) will tomorrow hand down judgment in Regina (Davis MP) v Secretary of State for the Home Department. The fate of the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014, an enactment said by the government to be vital for the protection of national security, hangs in the balance...0
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Rather like ... governing ... don't you think?PClipp said:
Why do you Tories get everything so wrong, Mr Zims?john_zims said:We now have a leader of a Liberal party that didn't vote in favour of same sex marriage and was one of the very few MP's excluded from the coalition. Very strange choice, any idea what his USP is ?
Just comes naturally, I suppose.0 -
A member of the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg would no doubt have suitably Germanic views on the subject.calum said:
I would love to hear the D of E's views on the Greek crisis !!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Smithson = electoral kryptonite.
Mr. Smithson, you're not Lembit Opik in disguise, are you?
Miss Plato, the Duke of Edinburgh's in a uniquely bulletproof position, and it's entertaining to see him make use of it.0 -
Mr. Antifrank, Windsor*.
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Labour meltdown over 'horrific' surge in support for hard-left candidate Jeremy Corbyn
"One shadow cabinet minister told MailOnline: 'What a horrific week for the sensible people in the Labour Party.'
Senior Labour MPs have publicly warned that a victory for Mr Corbyn would spell disaster for the party.
Shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt said the party needed 'shock treatment' to regain its senses or it could 'disappear and die' like Woolworths.
Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary who pulled out of the leadership race, today slammed Mr Corbyn's bid to drag the party further to the left."
True to his word, Corbyn has certainly livened up the leadership race.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164016/Labour-meltdown-horrific-surge-support-hard-left-leadership-candidate-Jeremy-Corbyn.html
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Oh, if we're talking by marriage, a member of the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha*.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Antifrank, Windsor*.
Hell of a typo you had there
*renamed 100 years ago for entirely political reasons.0 -
Mr. Antifrank, a chap's got the right to change his name, why not a family?0
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Alexander the Great.Morris_Dancer said:
Slightly random one question historical quiz: which significant historical figure had ocular heterochromia (different coloured eyes)?
EDIT: Didn't people used to say as he walked by, "Eye! Eye! There goes Alexander"0 -
Mr. Disraeli, huzzah! Yes, indeed, 'twas he.
I've just started re-reading a book about what happened after he died. Very interesting period.0 -
Opposed tuition fees and invading Syria. Obviously highly capable given how he has built his majority.
Sensible move, distances them from Clegg.0 -
You mean like err the General Election?!?!?PClipp said:
Why do you Tories get everything so wrong, Mr Zims?john_zims said:We now have a leader of a Liberal party that didn't vote in favour of same sex marriage and was one of the very few MP's excluded from the coalition. Very strange choice, any idea what his USP is ?
Just comes naturally, I suppose.0 -
A few pictures appearing of Farron's teen pop past.
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As you know perfectly well, Mr Zims, Tim Farron was a backbencher, not a minister. There ought, of course, to have been more Lib Dem ministers, and fewer Tories - the Coalition Government would have been much more successful if there had been. But Cameron would have been stabbed in the back by his own side if he had signed that one off.john_zims said:@PClipp 'Why do you Tories get everything so wrong, Mr Zims?'
Perhaps you can remind us of which ministerial position Farron held in the coalition.
Is Wikipedia entry wrong?
He voted in favour of allowing marriage between two people of same sex at the second reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill but he voted not to timetable the debate on the Bill, which would have made it much more difficult to pass had the House of Commons agreed with his position;[24] and he did not vote for equal marriage on the third reading of the Bill.[25] He also voted against the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations, which for the first time imposed a general restriction on businesses discriminating against people on the grounds of sexual orientation.[26]
Your citation from Wikipedia is clear enough: that Tim did vote in favour of the Same Sex Couples Marriage Bill - so I don´t know what you are complaining about. His vote in favour of further time and deliberation was fair enough. People with religious principles are probably in a minority nowadays - but that is no reason to go stamping all over their sensibilities. I´m not religious myself, but I can quite appreciate how they - a minority - would feel in the face of a choice between their principles and their livelihood.
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My estimate of the turnout was 78%. In any event the grand total of 134,446 people voted for Cameron. Remind me again how many voted for Farron?stodge said:Afternoon all
Unfortunately, Mike, I retain my record of having voted for the winner in every LD leadership election contest except 2006 when I didn't vote as Mrs Stodge and I were travelling the world.
I remember going to an Internet cafe in Paihia to comment on here about the Dunfermline & West Fife by-election won by Willie Rennie.
One or two predictable comments from the Conservative-inclined on the previous thread - any time anyone uses the words, "cripes", "crikey" or "wowsers" I lose all interest pretty much as I do with any references to the Punic Wars.
Some of said Conservative grouping were wittering on about a 56% turnout - the 2005 Conservative leadership election only managed 61% so not much to get on the collective high horse about there.
I thought Norman Lamb would poll over 40% and lose - the members' poll from earlier in the week was a pretty good guide to the outcome.
Finally, and most important, congratulations to Tim and best wishes.
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Now this will excite some on here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3aae1b92-2bac-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product#axzz3g3eW0lrv
"Britain’s biggest trade union could switch sides and campaign to leave the EU if David Cameron uses his renegotiation with Brussels to weaken workers’ rights, its leader says."0 -
Chuka. "I’m sorry, the left of our party have no monopoly on the desire to build a fairer and more equal society.”
Should be " I’m sorry, the left have no monopoly on the desire to build a fairer and more equal society.”
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Have you read "The Generalship of Alexander the Great" by JFC Fuller (Wordsworth Military Library) ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Disraeli, huzzah! Yes, indeed, 'twas he.
I've just started re-reading a book about what happened after he died. Very interesting period.
Whilst lavish in its praise of Alexander's military skills, it also opened my eyes to how Philip had created such a superb Macedonian military. In particular, the excellent Corps of Engineers, which Philip realised would be needed for a long campaign.
In fact, he (EDIT: Alexander) used the engineering skills of his army to defeat the Thessalians without a battle!0 -
So Farron wins as expected, though a solid total for Lamb too. Probably the best choice, Farron is an excellent campaigner and more likely to win tactical votes
The result also provided some good news for pollsters at last, the 56.5%-43.5% margin was almost exactly the same as the LD Network members poll earlier this week0 -
They clearly won't, because a Britain outside the EU will be worse for workers' rights prospectively*.antifrank said:Now this will excite some on here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3aae1b92-2bac-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product#axzz3g3eW0lrv
"Britain’s biggest trade union could switch sides and campaign to leave the EU if David Cameron uses his renegotiation with Brussels to weaken workers’ rights, its leader says."
So why are they saying it, and whom does it serve?
* fancy way of saying going forward0 -
Good evening everyone
Off topic. When is the cut off date for joining Labour and being able to vote in the leadership election?0 -
Good to see Farron elected. Could never have voted for a party led by Lamb.
Hopefully he will draw a line under the Coalition era and reverse the disastrous OrangeBook experiment.
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Why would workers' rights automatically be weakened if the UK leaves the EU?0
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James Kirkup: - My failed attempt to destroy Jeremy Corbyn, Labour and British democracy
Yes, it was me. I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.
"Indeed, some people might just have concluded that an article that referred to Mr Corbyn as a “bearded socialist voter repellent” might not have been written in deadly earnest. They might have shrugged and considered the article a joke, or at least an attempt at one.
Not our chums at the Guardian though. No, they saw through my feeble gags and spotted me for the dangerous authoritarian that I am. My attempt to destroy British democracy was rumbled. Curses, foiled again, etc etc."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11744789/My-failed-attempt-to-destroy-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-and-British-democracy.html
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https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/621730035922173953taffys said:
A few pictures appearing of Farron's teen pop past.
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I don't think you can assume that, Owen Jones in the Guardian certainly doesn't. Also you wont be able to nationalise the railway or the Royal Mail while in the EU so that would be another promise to your voters gone west.EPG said:
They clearly won't, because a Britain outside the EU will be worse for workers' rights prospectively*.antifrank said:Now this will excite some on here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3aae1b92-2bac-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product#axzz3g3eW0lrv
"Britain’s biggest trade union could switch sides and campaign to leave the EU if David Cameron uses his renegotiation with Brussels to weaken workers’ rights, its leader says."
So why are they saying it, and whom does it serve?
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So the UK won't be paying towards the Eurozone bailout despite hysteria from some conspiracy theorists here always expecting the worst outcome: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33556085
Expecting a retraction/congratulation to Osborne and Cameron in 1 ... 2 ... never ...0 -
If you ever doubted whether the British Left had a sense of humour, the last 24 hours should have resolved the issue for you. Yesterday, I (along with a publicity-shy junior colleague) published an article about Jeremy Corbyn. You may have read it here.
Or you may have read about it in the Guardian. That newspaper seemed very taken with the piece, and has, at the time of writing, published three stories of its own about ours.SimonStClare said:James Kirkup: - My failed attempt to destroy Jeremy Corbyn, Labour and British democracy
Yes, it was me. I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.
"Indeed, some people might just have concluded that an article that referred to Mr Corbyn as a “bearded socialist voter repellent” might not have been written in deadly earnest. They might have shrugged and considered the article a joke, or at least an attempt at one.
Not our chums at the Guardian though. No, they saw through my feeble gags and spotted me for the dangerous authoritarian that I am. My attempt to destroy British democracy was rumbled. Curses, foiled again, etc etc."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11744789/My-failed-attempt-to-destroy-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-and-British-democracy.html0 -
I must have missed the era of Prime Minister Kennedy. When was that?Jonathan said:0 -
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Ah! But would our friends in the EU have caved in without the "Sword of Brexit" hanging over their heads to concentrate their minds?Philip_Thompson said:So the UK won't be paying towards the Eurozone bailout despite hysteria from some conspiracy theorists here always expecting the worst outcome: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33556085
Expecting a retraction/congratulation to Osborne and Cameron in 1 ... 2 ... never ...
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