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  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Disraeli said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    The two candidates I'd like to see become Mayor or London, are either Jowell or Goldsmith.

    Tessa all the way. They are all much-of-a-muchness on most things, but she's the only one out of the three main contenders who agrees that Heathrow needs a third runway.
    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    People in countries like Japan, Australia, Canada and the US must look at the situation in Calais and in Greece and wonder if these are really advanced countries.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    TGOHF said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TGOHF said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TGOHF said:

    AndyJS said:

    Deputy mayor of Calais: situation in Calais is responsibility of the UK.

    Would they like British troops to take over Calais again?

    We should suggest that the perfect remedy is that they are all bussed down to the Spanish border and released.

    It is getting ridiculous. It's a ticking time bomb for Cameron and will only get worse as further migrants work their way up from Italy.
    The only way is to make it as unpleasant as possible for those that make it across -= internment in the north of Scotland - followed by swift return to the country of origin with finger prints and dna taken.

    Pay Ryanair to run a return service - outsource at £50 a head.
    The only credible way IMHO is to process illegal migrants offshore. Once they make it to EU soil, given the skewed way rights are interpreted, it's game over for effective migration controls IRL.
    Bit late at Calais then isn't it ?
    Yes, it is. It's only the channel and difficulty of getting on a lorry or ferry that doesn't make the UK have the same problem. The scary thing is that our border controls against illegal immigration are *relatively* effective. Not that many get through. It's the legal immigration that's too high.

    If they did all arrive here, I doubt very many would be deported again.
  • Disraeli
    Disraeli Posts: 1,106
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited June 2015
    @Pulpstar

    'Just up Management fees to a foreign parent. I guess the restaurants can't go anywhere... wonder how many are *cash only* though.'

    Which foreign company would be brave enough to invest in Greece ?

    I would imagine most foreign companies have already left or are in the process of going.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    [snip]
    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    Kentish Town, West Hampstead, Cricklewood, Hendon, Mill Hill are in North London on the Thameslink Line - soon stations on the New Barnet and Enfield Chase lines will also be linked in via the ongoing works at London Bridge.
  • AllyPally_Rob
    AllyPally_Rob Posts: 605
    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I live in North London and getting to Gatwick is probably as easy as Heathrow to be honest. Jump on the Northern Line, change at St.Pancs and straight down to Gatwick. Always found it more civilised than Heathrow in my own experiences.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    Getting through Gatwick without having an encounter with a rude and surly employee is a major achievement (in my experience).
    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    Keith Vaz: "UK government has spent £12 million on the situation in Calais. Clearly not working."
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    AndyJS said:

    Getting through Heathrow without having an encounter with a rude and surly employee is a major achievement (in my experience).

    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    Corrected it for you :)
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Reviews/Resources/Sparkyscrum Thameslink.jpg
  • Flightpathl
    Flightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Anorak said:

    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.
    I'll settle for Weatherspoons, their Scottish outlets do a good haggis neaps and tatties which is a good value filler if you have to hang around with a pint.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    edited June 2015
    Anorak said:

    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.
    Gatwick has a Harrods, FFS :)

    http://www.gatwickairport.com/at-the-airport/shopping-eating/
  • Disraeli
    Disraeli Posts: 1,106
    AllyPally_Rob said:


    I live in North London and getting to Gatwick is probably as easy as Heathrow to be honest. Jump on the Northern Line, change at St.Pancs and straight down to Gatwick. Always found it more civilised than Heathrow in my own experiences.

    As regards getting there by public transport, then I'm sure you are correct (and well-informed on the subject). However public transport is not an option for us, so we go by car.
    (Heathrow car parking is easier than the Gatwick "on site" long stay as well).

    Last went to Gatwick in May this year. Just as carp as ever.
    Last used Heathrow in January - very good.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    Flightpathl said:

    Anorak said:

    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.

    I'll settle for Weatherspoons, their Scottish outlets do a good haggis neaps and tatties which is a good value filler if you have to hang around with a pint.
    For clarity: I've never felt either rich enough to dine at The Caviar House (or brave enough to submit the expenses). And I once managed to get through an evening's expenses from Hooters in Indianapolis* without too much fuss.

    * That may have been sympathy from having to spend any time at all in Indianapolis.
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Anorak said:

    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.
    Gatwick has a Harrods, FFS :)

    http://www.gatwickairport.com/at-the-airport/shopping-eating/
    It sells Harrods teddies, Harrods bags, and overpriced shortbread in Union Jack boxes. It is not a high-end retail experience.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Anorak said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Anorak said:

    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.
    Gatwick has a Harrods, FFS :)

    http://www.gatwickairport.com/at-the-airport/shopping-eating/
    It sells Harrods teddies and overpriced shortbread in Union Jack coloured boxes. It is not a high-end retail experience.
    Snob :)
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    TheApaclypse Why should he not be able to connect? He came from a working class background in Newham and had 12 siblings with whom he had to share rooms and rose from there to become a multimillionaire footballer, a successful property developer and has started his own charity 'kids go live' allowing inner city kids to see live sporting events. Khan is in many ways a more abrasive personality than Campbell, and he has a far less privileged background than Zac, son of a billionaire and Eton educated, or Tessa, daughter of a physician and also privately educated
  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Anorak said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Anorak said:

    Disraeli said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/?gclid=CJ-Vi4OXpsYCFfQZtAod-PcESQ

    Apologies for re-posting but I hate Gatwick with every fibre of my being.

    I hate Gatwick. It is a blemish on the gorgeous county of Sussex.

    I've never had a good experience of using Gatwick airport
    - The amount of walking from main departure area to the departure gates is ridiculous,
    - several times the security team have taken the pee out of myself or Mrs D. (and never give any advice in response to my polite questions on how I can help them in the future)
    - security staff once threw my camera onto the screening conveyer belt from where it bounced off and broke, and I was thus left without a camera for my holiday

    And this is apart from the fact that it is awful to get to from North London, and the airport facilities are rubbish compared to Heathrow.
    I'm [snobbishly] tickled by the contrast in shops. Heathrow has The Caviar House, Cartier and Kurt Geiger; Gatwick has Weatherspoons, Accessorize, and Sports Direct.

    I've never really had a bad experience at either airport, to be honest.
    Gatwick has a Harrods, FFS :)

    http://www.gatwickairport.com/at-the-airport/shopping-eating/
    It sells Harrods teddies and overpriced shortbread in Union Jack coloured boxes. It is not a high-end retail experience.
    Snob :)
    Maybe just a little bit :D

    I still think a post-pub chips and gravy bap is one of the finest eating experiences Britain offers, mind you.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    "A nationally-acclaimed head teacher has been found guilty of having underage sex with two boys.
    Anne Lakey, 55, from Stanley, County Durham, had denied 13 counts of indecent assault on two teenagers in the 1980s."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-33237215
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    TimT No he arguably had a better academic record than Kerry who got even lower grades at Yale but not Gore who had a higher SAT score than Bush even if he also had pretty average grades at Harvard
  • JEO
    JEO Posts: 3,656
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    "A nationally-acclaimed head teacher has been found guilty of having underage sex with two boys.
    Anne Lakey, 55, from Stanley, County Durham, had denied 13 counts of indecent assault on two teenagers in the 1980s."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-33237215

    Would it be indecent assault had the genders been reversed?
  • JEO
    JEO Posts: 3,656
    HYUFD said:

    TheApaclypse Why should he not be able to connect? He came from a working class background in Newham and had 12 siblings with whom he had to share rooms and rose from there to become a multimillionaire footballer, a successful property developer and has started his own charity 'kids go live' allowing inner city kids to see live sporting events. Khan is in many ways a more abrasive personality than Campbell, and he has a far less privileged background than Zac, son of a billionaire and Eton educated, or Tessa, daughter of a physician and also privately educated

    Perhaps because he wants to divide the capital into different racial groups, with some being given better leg-ups in the jobs market than others?
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Am I tough enuss? Am I tough enough? Hellene yes I'm tough enough!
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TGOHF said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/613371870147162112

    Marvellous boost to the tourist industry...

    Crazy - they need a default.

    They're getting a default. It's debt relief in return for balancing the books.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    HYUFD said:

    TheApaclypse Why should he not be able to connect? He came from a working class background in Newham and had 12 siblings with whom he had to share rooms and rose from there to become a multimillionaire footballer, a successful property developer and has started his own charity 'kids go live' allowing inner city kids to see live sporting events. Khan is in many ways a more abrasive personality than Campbell, and he has a far less privileged background than Zac, son of a billionaire and Eton educated, or Tessa, daughter of a physician and also privately educated

    I've no idea if Sol is able to connect or not, or if Zac could, but of course someone could come from such background and not be able to connect(anymore), just as someone from Eton might be able to, life can be funny that way.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Freggles, please stop acting in a reckless and provocative manner.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Heathrow is wonderful for business travel, and Gatwick fab for EU citybreaks. For inland UK travel it has to be City: there is even a shoeshine! Edinburgh is pretty good too, despite the No1 lounge being rather spartan...

    My favourite airport has to be Vancouver. Literally forgot I was in an airport whilst having supper before departing a few years back....
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Freggles, please stop acting in a reckless and provocative manner.

    "These AV threads are wrong at a time when negotiations are still going on. But PBers and the public have been let down by both sides because TSE has acted in a reckless and provocative manner."
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Dr. Prasannan, we need a judge-led independent inquiry into the matter.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    rcs1000 said:

    TGOHF said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/613371870147162112

    Marvellous boost to the tourist industry...

    Crazy - they need a default.

    They're getting a default. It's debt relief in return for balancing the books.
    Robert - I'm interested to hear what further Greek contraction you expect.

    I imagine another 5% if they stay in and implement the crazy VAT and Corp tax hikes, or 10% if they default. The difference surely would be that after two years they'd be growing again with a currency devaluation, but by staying in the Euro they may continue down the horrid spiral currently on...

  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Trump takes second in new NH GOP primary poll

    Bush 14% (19%)
    Trump 11% (6%)
    Walker 8% (14%)
    Rubio 7% (3%)
    Carson 6% (3%)
    Christie 5% (5%)
    Paul 4% (7%)
    Cruz 4% (5%)
    Fiorina 4%
    Kasich 2%
    Huckabee 2% (3%)
    Perry 1%
    Santorum 1%
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/23/trump-surges-in-popularity-in-n-h-taking-second-place-in-suffolk-poll/
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Farage's vanquisher on BBC News channel talking about the Calais situation.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Freggles, please stop acting in a reckless and provocative manner.

    If I'm acting in a reckless and provocative manner, it's because I'm pumped up! I'm getting *bleep* lively! I couldn't eat three Shredded Wheat though, Kay!
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2015
    Does Polly subscribe to Dictionary. com word of the day, because its is OTIOSE.. of does Dictionary.com read PB or Polly.. Hell of a coincidence either way.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    http://www.gatwickobviously.com/noise
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited June 2015
    JEO Evidence? It was Campbell I was referring to and he is running for the Tory nomination
  • watford30
    watford30 Posts: 3,474
    AndyJS said:

    Keith Vaz: "UK government has spent £12 million on the situation in Calais. Clearly not working."

    Keith Vaz was a Minister in the government responsible for a massive increase in immigration from across Europe. Another bell end talking out of his fundament.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    kle4 Indeed, but there is certainly no reason Campbell could not connect as The Apocalypse suggested
  • jayfdee
    jayfdee Posts: 618
    Eurotunnel restarted boarding,looks like I will get France tonight.doing a WW1 tour,Ypres, then Amiens.
    Hope it is sorte before I return,I do not fancy running the gauntlet at Calais, it looks awful.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    The song title relating to the EU that I would choose is...

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/just-say-no-to-eu.html?m=1
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    HYUFD said:

    TheApaclypse Why should he not be able to connect? He came from a working class background in Newham and had 12 siblings with whom he had to share rooms and rose from there to become a multimillionaire footballer, a successful property developer and has started his own charity 'kids go live' allowing inner city kids to see live sporting events. Khan is in many ways a more abrasive personality than Campbell, and he has a far less privileged background than Zac, son of a billionaire and Eton educated, or Tessa, daughter of a physician and also privately educated

    Sol Campbell or Karen Brady would both be great candidates for Labour to go up against. Unfortunately, the Tories would not be so stupid as to go with either. They will pick the person most likely to win, who is Goldsmith. Against Jowell it would be close, against Khan he would be elected pretty easily.

  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    edited June 2015
    isam said:

    The song title relating to the EU that I would choose is...

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/just-say-no-to-eu.html?m=1

    Tsipras: I've had

    the time of my life...

    And I owe it all to EU
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    edited June 2015
    Ba dum Tshhh
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    SO Evidence? Brady and Campbell are both self-made. Zac is a good candidate too but that does not mean they would be disasters. The last yougov had Jowell leading Zac, Khan tied with Zac
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    No chance of Kamall having a chance?
  • Disraeli
    Disraeli Posts: 1,106
    edited June 2015
    isam said:

    The song title relating to the EU that I would choose is...

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/just-say-no-to-eu.html?m=1

    isam - Welcome back!
  • Disraeli
    Disraeli Posts: 1,106
    NEW THREAD
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    HYUFD said:

    TheApaclypse Why should he not be able to connect? He came from a working class background in Newham and had 12 siblings with whom he had to share rooms and rose from there to become a multimillionaire footballer, a successful property developer and has started his own charity 'kids go live' allowing inner city kids to see live sporting events. Khan is in many ways a more abrasive personality than Campbell, and he has a far less privileged background than Zac, son of a billionaire and Eton educated, or Tessa, daughter of a physician and also privately educated

    Sol Campbell may come from that background, but typical of many footballers he has forgotten his roots. You should read an interview he did for the Guardian sometime ago. The main reason he got into politics was simply because he resented paying the mansion tax, that's all. Furthermore, he doesn't believe in the existence of a welfare state. He actually claimed that no welfare state existed when he was growing up. Given that Sol Campbell will be dealing a centre-left, liberal, metropolitan city that kind of attitude is not advisable.

    Zac Goldsmith may be the son of a billionaire and Eton educated, but so what? Boris was also Eton educated. Being Eton educated, posh and rich doesn't stop you from understanding your electorate. Both Goldsmith and Johnson appear to have wider political ambitions than simple self-interest, and both know and understand that London is not Thurrock or Witney; it is politically unique in this country. Johnson as a result has not positioned himself as a right-wing, but more moderate Conservative. Goldsmith is an absolute perfect fit for London - moderate, cares about environmental issues - fits in perfectly with the metropolitan politics of London.

    Jowell was someone actively involved in the Olympics, and also comes off as ordinary, down to earth and not completely lacking self-awareness.

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