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AndyJS has just finished what looks set to be a great resource for the election. A full candidate database with all those standing in the election which linked to key data about the constituency.

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    edited April 2015
    PB [heart's] AndyJS

    x

    :smiley:
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,243
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    rcs1000 said:



    That's not very libertarian. Before the Town and Country Planning Act of 1947, pretty much anyone could build anything anywhere.

    And you know what, it worked out OK.

    Well no it didn't. Not if you value heritage and the natural environment. I am not saying that we should not build houses. But pre- 1986 the developers had no requirement to do any sort of study or assessment of the impact of their building on important heritage or the environment prior to starting building. One of the reasons we have lost over 90% of our water meadows and have built huge numbers of estates on flood plains.

    There has to be some sort of ability of local government to express the will of their electorate as to how and where houses are built and more importantly what work needs to be done in advance of the building. That is not anti-libertarian. It is part of the setting of the framework within which business and individuals operate. At the moment the balance is way too much in favour of the developer and against the individual or the community. Particularly as the developer's responsibility ends when the project is finished.

    And of course the pressures on housing now due to migration and the fracturing of families means we have seen unprecedented demands (in 20th century terms anyway) for new building on greenfield sites.
    If you value heritage and the natural environment, you are welcome to buy up the park to preserve it.

    Otherwise you are trying to use the state's monopoly of force to allow you to choose how other people use their land.

    Obviously, if you build a glue plant, then there will be externalities, and those need to be captured somehow.

    But otherwise, if you value the environment, get together with some friends who have a similar view and buy some.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    Labour scared to be brave ! Disappointing. Look at the Tories. Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Cracking bit of work Andy.
    Thank you for your efforts.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    Labour scared to be brave ! Disappointing. Look at the Tories. Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.
    Labour shouldn't have spent the past five years ranting and raving about each and every cut.

    The Tories (and Lib-Dems) have built up their economic credibility through the tough choice's they've made. That means that now they can promise a few limited goodies and it's believable.

    Labour haven't got any "money in the bank" in terms of managing the economy properly, which means their tax and spend plans aren't believed either.


  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Andy,am more interested in the winning margins...Well done!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Well it could be a double-bluff,I don`t know.

    Certainly they went out of their way to focus on the fiscal credibility and briefed that they held something back.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.

    Indeed. For people who want to get the deficit down, the tories ain't 'alf spending a lot.

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Thanks very much Andy. And good to see you posting here again.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Thanks Andy - that looks brilliant.

    Best political party name of the 2015 election?

    I recon the "children of the atom party" just snatches it.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    Still smarting from that bet you lost.., NO party ever gets everything right, but Labour's manifest was dissed by the IFS.. nuff said.. ....no one paid any attention to Cleggy and co..

    Have you ordered a new yellow taxi yet, you'll need it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    I would think there's a good chance of seeing the first MORI poll of the campaign tomorrow?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Two Conservative tips:

    Worcester 8/11 @ Coral
    Thurrock 5/1 @ Skybet, Betfred, Wm Hill

    The first is simply out of line with the market and doesn't reflect the recent Ashcroft poll with a 6 point Tory lead.

    The second is more speculative but is based on Labour going down like a cup of cold sick in Kent/Essex and UKIP fading fast. I can't see how any Tory incumbent should be 5/1.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    Yes - saw that mentioned on Sky News last night.

    If Lab has held a big policy back I wonder if Con has also done the same?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    I'm trying to work out what is remotely left wing about the Labour party manifesto? The 5% on the top earners. Really is that it. Labour will freeze energy prices, the Tories transport- score draw. But the Tories pumping money into the NHS, childcare and raising the tax threshold.
    I'm actually more than happy because social democracy is alive and well, and right wing ideology is left at the fringes (in UKIP) where it should be.
    Like it or lump it Blair and Brown changed the narrative of UK politics. We are all Brownites now irrespective of who wins.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    Labour scared to be brave ! Disappointing. Look at the Tories. Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.
    PB tories are quiet..ly laughing at the scores of Labour posters rubbishing a manifesto they wish they had. :)
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    tyson said:

    I'm trying to work out what is remotely left wing about the Labour party manifesto? The 5% on the top earners. Really is that it. Labour will freeze energy prices, the Tories transport- score draw. But the Tories pumping money into the NHS, childcare and raising the tax threshold.
    I'm actually more than happy because social democracy is alive and well, and right wing ideology is left at the fringes (in UKIP) where it should be.
    Like it or lump it Blair and Brown changed the narrative of UK politics. We are all Brownites now irrespective of who wins.

    Except for the non manifesto stuff. goodbye tax credits
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Interesting. A few Labour wonks back rbt for housing association homes:

    http://order-order.com/2015/04/14/labour-manifesto-author-backs-tory-right-to-buy-policy/#_@/ordFC0mLW5rLHg
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    I'm sorry to link to Guido but I saw this tweet from Dr Clarke yesterday when Bad Al and Polly T I think both retweeted it and thought 'wow' the Times editorial saying such a thing is amazing...

    Now I see it was a lie - what an utter cock.

    Guido Fawkes‏@GuidoFawkes·1 hr1 hour ago
    No, The Times Did Not ‘Call Out the Tories on the Recession’ @LabourEoin http://order-order.com/2015/04/14/no-the-times-did-not-call-out-the-tories-on-the-recession/ …
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    No Green candidate in the following marginals
    Cheadle
    City of Chester
    Crewe & Nantwich
    Lincoln
    South Ribble
    Thurrock
    Wirral West
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    tyson said:

    I'm trying to work out what is remotely left wing about the Labour party manifesto? The 5% on the top earners. Really is that it. Labour will freeze energy prices, the Tories transport- score draw. But the Tories pumping money into the NHS, childcare and raising the tax threshold.
    I'm actually more than happy because social democracy is alive and well, and right wing ideology is left at the fringes (in UKIP) where it should be.
    Like it or lump it Blair and Brown changed the narrative of UK politics. We are all Brownites now irrespective of who wins.

    That is true. But are the Tories being truthful ?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Surely with postal votes going out very soon its too late to be "holding something back"?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Tissue_Price said:

    Two Conservative tips:

    Worcester 8/11 @ Coral
    Thurrock 5/1 @ Skybet, Betfred, Wm Hill

    The first is simply out of line with the market and doesn't reflect the recent Ashcroft poll with a 6 point Tory lead.

    The second is more speculative but is based on Labour going down like a cup of cold sick in Kent/Essex and UKIP fading fast. I can't see how any Tory incumbent should be 5/1.

    I tipped Worcester on my blog a week ago, but Pulpstar helpfully pointed out I got the odds wrong. Then he even more helpfully pointed out that the correct odds were still value!

    I agree, it's worth backing with Corals. They are much slower to adjust their odds than Hills/Ladbrokes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited April 2015
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I'm sorry to link to Guido but I saw this tweet from Dr Clarke yesterday when Bad Al and Polly T I think both retweeted it and thought 'wow' the Times editorial saying such a thing is amazing...

    Now I see it was a lie - what an utter cock.

    Guido Fawkes‏@GuidoFawkes·1 hr1 hour ago
    No, The Times Did Not ‘Call Out the Tories on the Recession’ @LabourEoin http://order-order.com/2015/04/14/no-the-times-did-not-call-out-the-tories-on-the-recession/ …

    "Dr" Eoin Clarke is about as unreliable a source as you can get on the internet. He has been caught lying, distorting and making "mistakes" on so many occasions it hard to remember a time when he has actually posted something that stands up to examination.

    But then Bad Al knows all about quoting unreliable sources.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    @Pulpstar here are some nice visualisations of Scotland voting projections. Dumfries & Galoway is a 3 way marginal but look at Edinburgh West!

    http://elections.ft.com/uk/2015/projections/#scotland
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,665
    Thanks Andy. PBs spreadsheet don.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    FPT

    frpenkridge said:
    Walking home in Penkridge at 8.30 this evening I passed a group of people staring at a light in the sky. They said it was the international space station, on an unusually low orbit.


    That will probably be Venus. Low down towards the west.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Moses_ said:

    FPT

    frpenkridge said:
    Walking home in Penkridge at 8.30 this evening I passed a group of people staring at a light in the sky. They said it was the international space station, on an unusually low orbit.


    That will probably be Venus. Low down towards the west.

    THe ISS moves very quickly.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    Labour scared to be brave ! Disappointing. Look at the Tories. Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.
    Labour have internalised the (incorrect) mantra from the Tories that they need to do macho posturing about how willing they are to cut spending. That was never what Labour needed to do. People are currently so desperate for some hope that they are willing to suspend disbelief and hope that when something good is promised, it really is going to come. That's why the Tories have played a blinder by actually offering some hope with their manifesto (irrespective of whether it's been "costed" or not), and why Labour have been so foolish to fall into their trap.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SquareRoot said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    Still smarting from that bet you lost.., NO party ever gets everything right, but Labour's manifest was dissed by the IFS.. nuff said.. ....no one paid any attention to Cleggy and co..

    Have you ordered a new yellow taxi yet, you'll need it.
    Not smarting over anything whats past is long gone . The fact that you seem to have the need to bring it up in your every post to me shows a sad and bad flaw in your character .
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    They should have left a few blank pages at the back of the manifesto for Ed to write on.

    "Holding policies back" for after the manifesto just isn't a credible thing to do, is it?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I'm sorry to link to Guido but I saw this tweet from Dr Clarke yesterday when Bad Al and Polly T I think both retweeted it and thought 'wow' the Times editorial saying such a thing is amazing...

    Now I see it was a lie - what an utter cock.

    Guido Fawkes‏@GuidoFawkes·1 hr1 hour ago
    No, The Times Did Not ‘Call Out the Tories on the Recession’ @LabourEoin http://order-order.com/2015/04/14/no-the-times-did-not-call-out-the-tories-on-the-recession/ …

    "Dr" Eoin Clarke is about as unreliable a source as you can get on the internet. He has been caught lying, distorting and making "mistakes" on so many occasions it hard to remember a time when he has actually posted something that stands up to examination.

    But then Bad Al knows all about quoting unreliable sources.
    Yet Bad Al and Polly T retweet him daily to their followers these days it seems....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited April 2015
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    I'm sorry to link to Guido but I saw this tweet from Dr Clarke yesterday when Bad Al and Polly T I think both retweeted it and thought 'wow' the Times editorial saying such a thing is amazing...

    Now I see it was a lie - what an utter cock.

    Guido Fawkes‏@GuidoFawkes·1 hr1 hour ago
    No, The Times Did Not ‘Call Out the Tories on the Recession’ @LabourEoin http://order-order.com/2015/04/14/no-the-times-did-not-call-out-the-tories-on-the-recession/ …

    "Dr" Eoin Clarke is about as unreliable a source as you can get on the internet. He has been caught lying, distorting and making "mistakes" on so many occasions it hard to remember a time when he has actually posted something that stands up to examination.

    But then Bad Al knows all about quoting unreliable sources.
    Yet Bad Al and Polly T retweet him daily to their followers these days it seems....
    Well that says a lot about them, but nothing that should come as any surprise. Anybody can be fooled occasionally from things posted on the internet, be it a tweet from a spoof twitter account or a photoshopped pic, but as they say Eoin has "form" and everybody knows it.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    AndyJS, that's an incredible piece of work. Thank you so much.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    You do us too great a service Andy
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    Moses_ said:

    FPT

    frpenkridge said:
    Walking home in Penkridge at 8.30 this evening I passed a group of people staring at a light in the sky. They said it was the international space station, on an unusually low orbit.


    That will probably be Venus. Low down towards the west.

    It was moving across the sky quite quickly.

    http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/view.cfm?country=United_Kingdom&region=England&city=London#.VS18Ghz3-iw
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    Alistair said:

    @Pulpstar here are some nice visualisations of Scotland voting projections. Dumfries & Galoway is a 3 way marginal but look at Edinburgh West!

    http://elections.ft.com/uk/2015/projections/#scotland

    Yes I've seen that, I can't see it being anything other than SNP or at a push Lib Dem.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    tyson said:

    I'm trying to work out what is remotely left wing about the Labour party manifesto? The 5% on the top earners. Really is that it. Labour will freeze energy prices, the Tories transport- score draw. But the Tories pumping money into the NHS, childcare and raising the tax threshold.
    I'm actually more than happy because social democracy is alive and well, and right wing ideology is left at the fringes (in UKIP) where it should be.
    Like it or lump it Blair and Brown changed the narrative of UK politics. We are all Brownites now irrespective of who wins.

    Fear not, Tyson.

    I think Labour still offers a relatively left-wing choice. Tax levels, public spending and borrowing will be higher under Labour. They will keep the State as large as they can. As soon as the economy expands, I expect they'll restart redistribution again through tax-credits et al.

    They are also likely to go slow, or freeze, any further NHS diversification under Miliband. Free schools will be restricted. No IHT cut. An increase in corporation tax. Abolition of non dom status. Banning of most zero-hours contracts. The "bedroom tax" will be repealed. There will be no vote on EU membership. Immigration reforms will be cosmetic. 16-17 year olds would be given the vote.

    Another big difference, I think, is that equality and racial and gender diversity through social policy will be pushed much more heavily under Labour. This seems to be the modus operandi of a lot of the new generation of Labour candidates, and the priority of most of their members in London.

    And, most importantly for you, an end to badger culls. So relax.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    taffys said:

    Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.

    Indeed. For people who want to get the deficit down, the tories ain't 'alf spending a lot.

    But but.... Labour oppose cuts and austerity and say borrow and spend because the deficit and debt don't matter. In fact that's been the line by them and on PB for some 5 years from anyone on the left.

    Were you all wrong after all? Are you now saying "it's money we don't have?"

    Really ? I mean really?

    FFS!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    AndyJS is a hero.

    Andy, you got the indyref almost (entirely?) bang on several months out. What is your prediction of seats by party for GE2015?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited April 2015
    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Floater said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
    I am confident .
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    frpenkridge said:

    Moses_ said:

    FPT

    frpenkridge said:
    Walking home in Penkridge at 8.30 this evening I passed a group of people staring at a light in the sky. They said it was the international space station, on an unusually low orbit.


    That will probably be Venus. Low down towards the west.

    It was moving across the sky quite quickly.

    http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/view.cfm?country=United_Kingdom&region=England&city=London#.VS18Ghz3-iw
    Ok you didn't say it was moving.
    It's possible to see it I have but through binoculars never with the naked eye. Excellent if you did though just a shame I missed it.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
    It would rather be odd not to give anything exciting for your supporters to go to the polling booths.

    Even Brown managed that at the fag end of the Lab administration.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    surbiton said:

    tyson said:

    I'm trying to work out what is remotely left wing about the Labour party manifesto? The 5% on the top earners. Really is that it. Labour will freeze energy prices, the Tories transport- score draw. But the Tories pumping money into the NHS, childcare and raising the tax threshold.
    I'm actually more than happy because social democracy is alive and well, and right wing ideology is left at the fringes (in UKIP) where it should be.
    Like it or lump it Blair and Brown changed the narrative of UK politics. We are all Brownites now irrespective of who wins.

    That is true. But are the Tories being truthful ?
    I think probably yes. UK 20th century politics has largely been consensual- even Thatcherism was stoked by Callaghan.
    We are governed by managerialists who like being in power. It is likely that they will converge around single areas.
    They say power corrupts. But it is more likely that power conforms and converges.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Blimey! Fantastic resource, that. Thanks AndyJS!
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Pong said:

    Thanks Andy - that looks brilliant.

    Best political party name of the 2015 election?

    I recon the "children of the atom party" just snatches it.

    The Al-Zebabist Nation of OOOG party take it for me.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited April 2015
    SMukesh said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
    It would rather be odd not to give anything exciting for your supporters to go to the polling booths.

    Even Brown managed that at the fag end of the Lab administration.
    What you mean you are excited by bash the rich, ban ZHC's and pretend to want to cut the deficit?
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    MarkSenior said:

    Floater said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
    I am confident .
    I mentioned on a previous thread the number of visiting Tories. But Sir Bob (I will never get over calling him that) is rock solid. His majority is built on being the alternative to both the Tories, for exlab, and Lab for exTories. That hasn't changed.

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited April 2015
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
    Reports have it Ken Livingstone was heavily involved and was present at last weeks final meeting before the Labour manifesto was presented. So back of fag packet is quite possible and a plain packaged fag packet at that.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,489
    Moses_ said:

    Ok you didn't say it was moving.
    It's possible to see it I have but through binoculars never with the naked eye. Excellent if you did though just a shame I missed it.

    You can see the ISS with the naked eye, and quite a few other satellites as well.

    This site will tell you when you can see it.
    http://www.heavens-above.com/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited April 2015
    Moses_ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
    Reports have it Ken Livingstone was heavily involved and was present at last weeks final meeting before the Labour manifesto was presented. So back of rag packet is quite possible and a plain packaged fag packet at that.
    I read that...tax dodger writing your bash the tax dodgers manifesto is rather interesting approach.

    That has to be one of the funniest things of the last London Mayoral election...you tax dodging Tory scum you Boris, show us your tax returns...sure, I probably pay too much tax but here you go...what about yours Ken?
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Grandiose said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Floater said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
    I am confident .
    I mentioned on a previous thread the number of visiting Tories. But Sir Bob (I will never get over calling him that) is rock solid. His majority is built on being the alternative to both the Tories, for exlab, and Lab for exTories. That hasn't changed.

    What was amusing was the BBC suggestion that removing Sir Bob was a decapitation strategy!
  • botanically_speakingbotanically_speaking Posts: 87
    Labour, the newly crowned kings of austerity, have not had a good week for wooing the left-of-centre-undecided-voter. May cost them in Wales and Scotland, with SNP/PC offering a moderately socialist alternative.

    Lucky that the Greens are so wildly lacking in credibility. Had the Greens adopted an SNP/PC style, moderately socialist agenda, Labour could have been haemorraging votes in England. And then they make me feel bad for keeping my rabbits in a cage.

    Even so, it could be a tough couple of hours for Ed on Thursday.

    Does anyone think 6/5 for PC to score more than 3.5 seats represents value? It only requires one gain, Ynys Mon perhaps?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    antifrank said:

    AndyJS, that's an incredible piece of work. Thank you so much.

    Just don't spend too long looking at those Scottish majorities ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    botanically_speaking said:

    Labour, the newly crowned kings of austerity, have not had a good week for wooing the left-of-centre-undecided-voter. May cost them in Wales and Scotland, with SNP/PC offering a moderately socialist alternative.

    Lucky that the Greens are so wildly lacking in credibility. Had the Greens adopted an SNP/PC style, moderately socialist agenda, Labour could have been haemorraging votes in England. And then they make me feel bad for keeping my rabbits in a cage.

    Even so, it could be a tough couple of hours for Ed on Thursday.

    Does anyone think 6/5 for PC to score more than 3.5 seats represents value? It only requires one gain, Ynys Mon perhaps?

    Just back Yns Mon itself tbh. Wales could be odd - they might lose Arfon and gain Yns Mon.

    Or something.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Danny565 said:

    surbiton said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    Labour scared to be brave ! Disappointing. Look at the Tories. Promising money they don't have. But PBTories quiet.
    Labour have internalised the (incorrect) mantra from the Tories that they need to do macho posturing about how willing they are to cut spending. That was never what Labour needed to do. People are currently so desperate for some hope that they are willing to suspend disbelief and hope that when something good is promised, it really is going to come. That's why the Tories have played a blinder by actually offering some hope with their manifesto (irrespective of whether it's been "costed" or not), and why Labour have been so foolish to fall into their trap.
    I think you are right there. The one thing that Labour had was the willingness to say whatever people want to hear, effectively bribing them with their own money. I mean all politicians do this but Labour really are the kings of pretending that only the rich people will pay.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    glw said:

    Moses_ said:

    Ok you didn't say it was moving.
    It's possible to see it I have but through binoculars never with the naked eye. Excellent if you did though just a shame I missed it.

    You can see the ISS with the naked eye, and quite a few other satellites as well.

    This site will tell you when you can see it.
    http://www.heavens-above.com/
    Many thanks !

    Will check these out....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited April 2015
    Mirror can't even muster a "Tory baby eating scum launch manifesto that will take us back to the dark ages" headline. Most disappointing, must do better.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/588085193296244736
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    Pong said:

    Thanks Andy - that looks brilliant.

    Best political party name of the 2015 election?

    I recon the "children of the atom party" just snatches it.

    Children of the Atom? From Fallout 3?

    I'm with Ghedebrav on the best name, although 'Vapers in Power' has a certain mysterious appeal.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2015
    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    Still smarting from that bet you lost.., NO party ever gets everything right, but Labour's manifest was dissed by the IFS.. nuff said.. ....no one paid any attention to Cleggy and co..

    Have you ordered a new yellow taxi yet, you'll need it.
    Not smarting over anything whats past is long gone . The fact that you seem to have the need to bring it up in your every post to me shows a sad and bad flaw in your character .
    Not at all. and I have only mentioned it twice or maybe three times when you have been rude to me..

    Quite frankly, since my wife died, I couldn't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about me, least of all you, and as for politics, they are all liars, its just that Miliband is unfit to be PM. Clegg is a ........... and Dave whilst being a bit of a toff is the best man for the job by a country mile.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Moses_ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
    Reports have it Ken Livingstone was heavily involved and was present at last weeks final meeting before the Labour manifesto was presented. So back of rag packet is quite possible and a plain packaged fag packet at that.
    I read that...tax dodger writing your bash the tax dodgers manifesto is rather interesting approach.

    That has to be one of the funniest things of the last London Mayoral election...you tax dodging Tory scum you Boris, show us your tax returns...sure, I probably pay too much tax but here you go...what about yours Ken?
    The funny thing is, that the type of tax avoidance he was involved in is endemic. Anyone with a six figure income, who isnt tied to PAYE does it , in fact, even right at the bottom end of the scale it happens.

    Setting yourself up as a limited company is the easiest and simplest way to minimise tax. Journalists, medical staff, teachers, local government workers, farmers, consultants, plumbers etc all do it. If you get it right, you can even end up with £12k of tax credits on top.

    There are so many ways to minimise your tax liabilities, you almost feel sorry for those poor sods at Tescos, who dont have the luxury.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    to be fair I believe he came up with some interesting stuff - then it hit Ed's desk....... **tumbleweed****
  • glwglw Posts: 10,489
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Mirror can't even muster a "Tory baby eating scum launch manifesto that will take us back to the dark ages" headline. Most disappointing, must do better.

    What would they write? "Bloody Tories, doubling free nursery hours, and taking people on the minimum wage out of income tax." Even Mirror readers will wonder if they meant to write Labour.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    Pulpstar said:

    botanically_speaking said:

    Labour, the newly crowned kings of austerity, have not had a good week for wooing the left-of-centre-undecided-voter. May cost them in Wales and Scotland, with SNP/PC offering a moderately socialist alternative.

    Lucky that the Greens are so wildly lacking in credibility. Had the Greens adopted an SNP/PC style, moderately socialist agenda, Labour could have been haemorraging votes in England. And then they make me feel bad for keeping my rabbits in a cage.

    Even so, it could be a tough couple of hours for Ed on Thursday.

    Does anyone think 6/5 for PC to score more than 3.5 seats represents value? It only requires one gain, Ynys Mon perhaps?

    Just back Yns Mon itself tbh. Wales could be odd - they might lose Arfon and gain Yns Mon.

    Or something.
    Really, have you seen how farmed rabbits are crushed into cages when they are transported? Do you keep twenty, quivering, petrified rabbits in a confined space? I guess you don't.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    Rumours of deep SNP targets being Ashcrofted:

    Ross, Skye and Lochaber
    Edinburgh North and Leith
    Edinburgh South
    Glasgow South-West
    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
    Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
    East Renfrewshire

    And two slightly easier ones:

    East Dunbartonshire
    Fife North-East
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    notme said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Moses_ said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SMukesh said:

    philiph said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    A policy that isn't in the manifesto. Hmm So no promise to enact it. No way to use the parliament act if required. Hmmm.

    I think they are in policy trouble. NonDoms was, according Chris Leslie (? is that the right name?) under discussion for the last 5 or 6 weeks. The big announcement so far a late thought and not time to test it out properly. Too much opposition for political capital and not enough thought or decision making on policy.
    Given that Jon Cruddas has been working for 3 years on the Labour manifesto,wtf has been doing?

    There`s gotta be something to show!
    Unless he has been sidelined by Ed. There has been plenty of evidence of policy making on the back of post-it notes which not been shared e.g the use of ISA money for house building, where they had a different name for the scheme within the same document, called the ISA the wrong name and Team Balls knew nothing about it.
    Reports have it Ken Livingstone was heavily involved and was present at last weeks final meeting before the Labour manifesto was presented. So back of rag packet is quite possible and a plain packaged fag packet at that.
    I read that...tax dodger writing your bash the tax dodgers manifesto is rather interesting approach.

    That has to be one of the funniest things of the last London Mayoral election...you tax dodging Tory scum you Boris, show us your tax returns...sure, I probably pay too much tax but here you go...what about yours Ken?
    The funny thing is, that the type of tax avoidance he was involved in is endemic. Anyone with a six figure income, who isnt tied to PAYE does it , in fact, even right at the bottom end of the scale it happens.

    Setting yourself up as a limited company is the easiest and simplest way to minimise tax. Journalists, medical staff, teachers, local government workers, farmers, consultants, plumbers etc all do it. If you get it right, you can even end up with £12k of tax credits on top.

    There are so many ways to minimise your tax liabilities, you almost feel sorry for those poor sods at Tescos, who dont have the luxury.
    You can add agency lorry drivers to your list of people doing that.
    At my last employer's I used to get quite pissed off at the amount of boasting about only paying £30 a week or so in tax when I was one of the PAYE saps.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    MarkSenior said:

    Floater said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
    I am confident .
    They have more posters up than anyone else for sure.

    what do you think the majority will be? (i am guessing it will fall somewhat)
  • glwglw Posts: 10,489
    Moses_ said:

    Will check these out....

    It is worth having a look, the ISS in particular is quite easy to spot if you know where and at what time, which the site will tell you.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    Great stuff from AndyJS! Many thanks for putting the database together!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    edited April 2015
    So, judging by the general view that Labour were trying to show how serious they were about austerity and serious, boring financial stuff, while the Tories decided to go all spend happy and cuddly, was it just decided that this week of the campaign would be the one where they would both try to appeal outside their base?

    Whoever can manage a boost wins, and given how temperamental the party leaderships are, if as expected there is little sustained movement either way, presumably next week they go back to focusing on their bases as though nothing happened, right?
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    rcs1000 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    rcs1000 said:



    That's not very libertarian. Before the Town and Country Planning Act of 1947, pretty much anyone could build anything anywhere.

    And you know what, it worked out OK.

    Well no it didn't. Not if you value heritage and the natural environment. I am not saying that we should not build houses. But pre- 1986 the developers had no requirement to do any sort of study or assessment of the impact of their building on important heritage or the environment prior to starting building. One of the reasons we have lost over 90% of our water meadows and have built huge numbers of estates on flood plains.

    There has to be some sort of ability of local government to express the will of their electorate as to how and where houses are built and more importantly what work needs to be done in advance of the building. That is not anti-libertarian. It is part of the setting of the framework within which business and individuals operate. At the moment the balance is way too much in favour of the developer and against the individual or the community. Particularly as the developer's responsibility ends when the project is finished.

    And of course the pressures on housing now due to migration and the fracturing of families means we have seen unprecedented demands (in 20th century terms anyway) for new building on greenfield sites.
    If you value heritage and the natural environment, you are welcome to buy up the park to preserve it.

    Otherwise you are trying to use the state's monopoly of force to allow you to choose how other people use their land.

    Obviously, if you build a glue plant, then there will be externalities, and those need to be captured somehow.

    But otherwise, if you value the environment, get together with some friends who have a similar view and buy some.
    Indeed, the idea that planning is a good idea when it comes to the use and enjoyment of realty but a bad idea when it comes to macro-economic policy is intellectually indefensible. The only reason developers can make any money, for example, by building on floodplains is because there are those who are prepared to buy the houses in question. There is no injustice in the loss lying where it falls when the inevitable occurs.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    glw said:

    Moses_ said:

    Will check these out....

    It is worth having a look, the ISS in particular is quite easy to spot if you know where and at what time, which the site will tell you.
    Ok see it on the site
    Notice two interesting ones
    Hubble and ....
    .North Korean sat .....mmmmm
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    botanically_speaking said:

    Labour, the newly crowned kings of austerity, have not had a good week for wooing the left-of-centre-undecided-voter. May cost them in Wales and Scotland, with SNP/PC offering a moderately socialist alternative.

    Lucky that the Greens are so wildly lacking in credibility. Had the Greens adopted an SNP/PC style, moderately socialist agenda, Labour could have been haemorraging votes in England. And then they make me feel bad for keeping my rabbits in a cage.

    Even so, it could be a tough couple of hours for Ed on Thursday.

    Does anyone think 6/5 for PC to score more than 3.5 seats represents value? It only requires one gain, Ynys Mon perhaps?

    Just back Yns Mon itself tbh. Wales could be odd - they might lose Arfon and gain Yns Mon.

    Or something.
    Really, have you seen how farmed rabbits are crushed into cages when they are transported? Do you keep twenty, quivering, petrified rabbits in a confined space? I guess you don't.
    Yes, the Green manifesto is slightly poorly worded - they aren't on about Rabbit hutches in people's gardens, more the intensive farming of rabbits in tiny cages.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Grandiose said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Floater said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
    I am confident .
    I mentioned on a previous thread the number of visiting Tories. But Sir Bob (I will never get over calling him that) is rock solid. His majority is built on being the alternative to both the Tories, for exlab, and Lab for exTories. That hasn't changed.

    he is ex Lab himself if I recall.

    He is a strange one - you meet him and you think ... blimey what an egotistical waste of space - you leave meeting thinking he hasn't listened let alone understood you.

    Then he steps outside where my wife and I are discussing how shi te he is and he blows us away with his understanding and insight.

    We feel we owe him but..... the bigger picture (to me) says anyone but Ed - so maximise tory vote.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    Casino_Royale said:

    tyson said:

    I'm trying to work out what is remotely left wing about the Labour party manifesto? The 5% on the top earners. Really is that it. Labour will freeze energy prices, the Tories transport- score draw. But the Tories pumping money into the NHS, childcare and raising the tax threshold.
    I'm actually more than happy because social democracy is alive and well, and right wing ideology is left at the fringes (in UKIP) where it should be.
    Like it or lump it Blair and Brown changed the narrative of UK politics. We are all Brownites now irrespective of who wins.

    Fear not, Tyson.

    I think Labour still offers a relatively left-wing choice. Tax levels, public spending and borrowing will be higher under Labour. They will keep the State as large as they can. As soon as the economy expands, I expect they'll restart redistribution again through tax-credits et al.

    They are also likely to go slow, or freeze, any further NHS diversification under Miliband. Free schools will be restricted. No IHT cut. An increase in corporation tax. Abolition of non dom status. Banning of most zero-hours contracts. The "bedroom tax" will be repealed. There will be no vote on EU membership. Immigration reforms will be cosmetic. 16-17 year olds would be given the vote.

    Another big difference, I think, is that equality and racial and gender diversity through social policy will be pushed much more heavily under Labour. This seems to be the modus operandi of a lot of the new generation of Labour candidates, and the priority of most of their members in London.

    And, most importantly for you, an end to badger culls. So relax.
    I can't see Labour's policy on social engineering being popular outside of metropolitan areas such as London. No doubt Rotherham Council will be all over it in a flash. It just reeks of something dreamt up during a dinner party in North London.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Mirror can't even muster a "Tory baby eating scum launch manifesto that will take us back to the dark ages" headline. Most disappointing, must do better.

    The abuse is totally out of order.

    I suspect what Top Gear fans want is someone similar to Jeremy Clarkson. Not in behaviour, but someone who will take risks, make controversial jokes, stimulate banter and make it work with May and Hammond. Keep it an exciting and edgy show.

    Sue Perkins and Dermot O'Leary? Standard left-wing BBC comedy fodder. The executives will love them, but the fans won't.

    Top Gear would die.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Floater said:

    Grandiose said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Floater said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SquareRoot said:

    SMukesh said:

    FPT:I agree the Tories` manifesto was the better strategy but I am told that Labour have held a few policies back.Let`s see if they have anything good up their sleeve.

    So what if they have. Their manifesto was a complete mess and anything else new will be seen as non credible and desperate.. and indeed it will be.

    Whilst the great unfunded Conservative manifesto free money for all was not a mess lol . How the partisans view things .
    tories seem to be putting a big effort into Colchester - not going to be able to vote for Sir Bob now but you reckon he will be safe ? (he really should be shouldn't he)?
    I am confident .
    I mentioned on a previous thread the number of visiting Tories. But Sir Bob (I will never get over calling him that) is rock solid. His majority is built on being the alternative to both the Tories, for exlab, and Lab for exTories. That hasn't changed.

    he is ex Lab himself if I recall.

    He is a strange one - you meet him and you think ... blimey what an egotistical waste of space - you leave meeting thinking he hasn't listened let alone understood you.

    Then he steps outside where my wife and I are discussing how shi te he is and he blows us away with his understanding and insight.

    We feel we owe him but..... the bigger picture (to me) says anyone but Ed - so maximise tory vote.
    Yes, via SDP. Hence the irony of him accepting a knighthood...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,731
    edited April 2015
    Moses_ said:

    glw said:

    Moses_ said:

    Will check these out....

    It is worth having a look, the ISS in particular is quite easy to spot if you know where and at what time, which the site will tell you.
    Ok see it on the site
    Notice two interesting ones
    Hubble and ....
    .North Korean sat .....mmmmm
    I think I saw it in Birmingham at around 9ish, - did it go straight overhead?

    The planets Venus and Jupiter were also visible, but appeared static, naturally,
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,966
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Moses_ said:

    glw said:

    Moses_ said:

    Will check these out....

    It is worth having a look, the ISS in particular is quite easy to spot if you know where and at what time, which the site will tell you.
    Ok see it on the site
    Notice two interesting ones
    Hubble and ....
    .North Korean sat .....mmmmm
    I think I saw it in Birmingham at around 9ish, - did it go straight overhead?

    The planets Venus and Jupiter were also visible, but appeared static, naturally,
    Why was it Gay?
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,555
    Labour has received a significant amount of money from the State in the form of Short Money which is supposed to be for policy development.

    Can we get a refund?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    Verulamius said:

    Labour has received a significant amount of money from the State in the form of Short Money which is supposed to be for policy development.

    Can we get a refund?

    Envelopes and post-it notes don't come cheap you know...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited April 2015
    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    First...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/588091887099084800
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited April 2015
    Sun Politics @SunPolitics
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    Can we have a hell yes....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,966
    Tonights YG - EICIPM
  • botanically_speakingbotanically_speaking Posts: 87
    Pulpstar said:

    tyson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    botanically_speaking said:

    Labour, the newly crowned kings of austerity, have not had a good week for wooing the left-of-centre-undecided-voter. May cost them in Wales and Scotland, with SNP/PC offering a moderately socialist alternative.

    Lucky that the Greens are so wildly lacking in credibility. Had the Greens adopted an SNP/PC style, moderately socialist agenda, Labour could have been haemorraging votes in England. And then they make me feel bad for keeping my rabbits in a cage.

    Even so, it could be a tough couple of hours for Ed on Thursday.

    Does anyone think 6/5 for PC to score more than 3.5 seats represents value? It only requires one gain, Ynys Mon perhaps?

    Just back Yns Mon itself tbh. Wales could be odd - they might lose Arfon and gain Yns Mon.

    Or something.
    Really, have you seen how farmed rabbits are crushed into cages when they are transported? Do you keep twenty, quivering, petrified rabbits in a confined space? I guess you don't.
    Yes, the Green manifesto is slightly poorly worded - they aren't on about Rabbit hutches in people's gardens, more the intensive farming of rabbits in tiny cages.
    To be fair to tyson, his ever-so-worthy overreaction to my tongue in cheek comment did get me to look at the Green manifesto animal commitments, and there's a lot of good stuff in there.

    Plenty of bonkers stuff in the manifesto too - as I alluded to, a more moderate set of policies could have seen them hoover up some socialist votes from AusterityLabour. Missed opportunity, I'd say.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Tissue_Price said:

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    Woop Woop. Gold standard once again. That ICM poll was a definite outlier.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    Red Ed's 35% strategy looking good.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited April 2015
    If ComRes and the phone pollsters are right, and a Tory lead has been growing all year, YouGov are going to be in a spot of bother for publishing inaccurate polls every day for 5 years...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    YouGov refusing to budge...

    We will see what MORI has to say tomorrow... Maybe.
  • trubluetrublue Posts: 103
    very disappointing and worrying times ahead.
  • Greenwich_FloaterGreenwich_Floater Posts: 389
    Labour lead pretty much as expected with YG.

    Lets see if they hold it, with the Tory manifesto dominating the news agenda today.

    Actually, lets ignore panel pollsters and wait for some more phone polls later in the week to see if there is a trend.
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