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Last time round it was called a mistake by Gordon Brown to reject the central lectern and stand on one side (which was due to his eyesight but that is not the point here). Maybe the end is the best position but that was not the conventional wisdom in 2010.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a very good position for him. He's trying to portray the other 6 as a motley group of opposition parties, none of which are serious, and so it's better not to be amongst them. He just needs to be careful not to overdo it and look arrogant/aloof. I hope he's rehearsing well with some good impersonators of the other 6.Plato said:My initial reaction was Hmm for Cameron on the edge of things - then I thought a little longer. He may be out of the crosshairs and the others can fight like ferrets instead.
I can't believe CCHQ took this slot by accident or under duress.MarqueeMark said:Given that Cameron has an aloofness problem, psychologically being on the sidelines might subliminally be a bad place to be for him.
Probably Thursday is not a good day for him to try and do imperious....0 -
What's that...tax....hypocrisy I hear...surely not....taffys said:Guido is already Johnny on the spot on a Freeman tax story..
I bet if you dig into all big film / tv stars financial arrangements, you will find that a huge percentage have them set up to tax efficient to one extent or another. That doesn't mean they all do a Jimmy Carr, but when you aren't on PAYE, earn you income from multiple sources in different countries and have flexibility in how you are rewarded for your work, it allows for lots of opportunities not to just have to cough up 50% of your income.0 -
Including the week just gone (29th March), the last five weeks in ELBOW have shown Labour leads sub-1.0%:
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Did @UKLabour know about their star celeb’s past before they lined up his endorsement today? http://t.co/ZOWj78WKhU pic.twitter.com/qoGv9lO4eb
— Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) March 30, 20150 -
Accents may well matter, can see viewers reaching for the remote if Wood and Bennett get going.0
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It depends on the context and the timing. Not making it clear that what someone said was in a personal capacity is naughty.SouthamObserver said:
I doubt it. FT readers understand that you do not need anyone's permission to use quotes that are on the record and in the public domain.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, their principal reaction will be that it was unacceptable to use the quotes without permission and this will reinforce the already strong impression that business cannot trust Labour.SouthamObserver said:I doubt it. Those who read the FT are sophisticated enough to understand that the ad does not mean the companies concerned are endorsing Labour and that the companies themselves were bound to react. They'll also notice that none has actually disowned the quotes.
Of course, most readers of the FT probably agree that leaving the EU would be a very bad idea, but that's a different point.
But it's funny how Labour are pro busiess saying something when it might help them but tell business to butt out when it's critical of Labour (see the big row over Boots and Stefano Pessina).
All parties pick and choose of course. If impressing / persuading FT readers wasn't the point of the ad, what was its point?
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What's the speaking order (if there is a set piece part the beginning or end)?DecrepitJohnL said:
Last time round it was called a mistake by Gordon Brown to reject the central lectern and stand on one side (which was due to his eyesight but that is not the point here). Maybe the end is the best position but that was not the conventional wisdom in 2010.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's a very good position for him. He's trying to portray the other 6 as a motley group of opposition parties, none of which are serious, and so it's better not to be amongst them. He just needs to be careful not to overdo it and look arrogant/aloof. I hope he's rehearsing well with some good impersonators of the other 6.Plato said:My initial reaction was Hmm for Cameron on the edge of things - then I thought a little longer. He may be out of the crosshairs and the others can fight like ferrets instead.
I can't believe CCHQ took this slot by accident or under duress.MarqueeMark said:Given that Cameron has an aloofness problem, psychologically being on the sidelines might subliminally be a bad place to be for him.
Probably Thursday is not a good day for him to try and do imperious....
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I do hope Cameron says "I agree with Nicola" if (when) she says something disobliging about Ed.....0
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This new politics sure looks like the old politics.Grandiose said:MikeK said:Farage launching his 5 pledges - saying UKIP has a distinctive offering being the only party wanting to get out of EU pic.twitter.com/AR1gXw5Dlk
— Rowena Mason (@rowenamason) March 30, 2015
Pledge cards are the new mugs. Ironically, the mugs at the Labour Party, which invented the concept, have opted for mugs instead.0 -
I know I'm repeating myself, see what I said in last thread, but I think being stuck in the centre is bad. Cameron and Bennett can look down the line and see reactions and can get a good view of the audience as well. They do not have to dodge around this way and that. Centre = rabbit in headlight.antifrank said:
I make Nigel Farage marginal favourite over David Cameron because some Conservative voters like Nigel Farage at least as much as they like David Cameron. But I'm very happy to be on David Cameron in this market at 4/1 and 9/2.Tissue_Price said:I still can't quite see why Farage is favourite over Cameron in this market (spreads or fixed-odds) at all, given that the Tories are polling about 2.5 times as well and most Tories rate Cameron.
How tall is Farage? Relative heights is always the dispute in US debates. If he looks a shorty between Clegg and Miliband then thats worth -1% of the kipper vote :-)
With Cameron next to wee Nicola it won't work the same. The public will expect a woman to be short, I suppose its moot as to whether its a subconscious positive or negative. I suppose they both might end up with a crick in their necks by the end of the evening. Will Cameron have the appropriate conciliatory line for the wee lassie. Suggestions on a postcard to 10 Downing St.0 -
@Plato - the idea that FT readers will be concerned that the Labour FT ad will affect their investments is hilarious.
And, yes, I also believe that, unlike you, most of them will understand the point of the ad.
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It seems that someone has put Davie in a corner.0
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Labour's best celebrity endorsement is Katie Hopkins by a country mile, and the rest.0
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MikeK said:
Did @UKLabour know about their star celeb’s past before they lined up his endorsement today? http://t.co/ZOWj78WKhU pic.twitter.com/qoGv9lO4eb
— Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) March 30, 2015
shaky ground for staines, isn't it?0 -
MikeK said:
Farage launching his 5 pledges - saying UKIP has a distinctive offering being the only party wanting to get out of EU pic.twitter.com/AR1gXw5Dlk
— Rowena Mason (@rowenamason) March 30, 2015
Is that a finger on the way in look?0 -
If Labour were a private company, they'd be in danger of passing off by implying the parties quoted had endorsed their product rather than just the dangers of leaving the EU. I don't see why it's different here. Not also the advertising regulations. http://uk.practicallaw.com/8-521-4902SouthamObserver said:@Plato - the idea that FT readers will be concerned that the Labour FT ad will affect their investments is hilarious.
And, yes, I also believe that, unlike you, most of them will understand the point of the ad.
For Labour the cost will be political, if they aren't prepared to defend their actions well.0 -
Just like Fearless Ed wanted/demanded/insisted upon! (Are you shure it wasn't the other bloke? -ed.)DavidL said:Oh this is going to be awful. At least it is getting put away at an early stage in the Campaign.
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Will Dave serenade Nicola and Leanne with "Ernie" ?0
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One lesson that needs to be heeded from last Thursday's debates is that those most desperate for change are the people most likely to watch.
Twice as many Lab 2010 voters as Tories 2010'ers on Thursday just gone.
Also, being the Thursday night before the long weekend, a lot of people will be travelling/socialising if it's a nice day etc.0 -
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Ed has another opportunity here, I think, as long as he's as relaxed and natural as he was last week and doesn't try to cringeworthily appear more "statesmanlike" or try to cry about how he'll be as tough on spending cuts as the Tories.
I agree with the consensus that Sturgeon would do well, but I actually think that could help Labour in England. Obviously the supposed threat of the SNP is one of the big planks of the Tory campaign (the others being "Ed is crap" and "long-term economic plan"), but Sturgeon could defuse that threat in the minds of English people since she so self-evidently comes across as sane and reasonable. Unlike Salmond's jingoistic tub-thumping.0 -
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Norman Robson: Can anyone explain why Cameron was allowed to give a party political broadcast, when the piece was supposed to be about the dissolution of parliament?
That's an interesting question.0 -
There is no danger in passing off when you are directly quoting someone and you are not misrepresenting what they say. There is no implication in the ad that the people concerned support Labour. There are a series of quotes from some very senior business people to the effect that the UK withdrawing from the EU would be a very bad idea. Compare and contrast with the Irvine adGrandiose said:
If Labour were a private company, they'd be in danger of passing off by implying the parties quoted had endorsed their product rather than just the dangers of leaving the EU. I don't see why it's different here. Not also the advertising regulations. http://uk.practicallaw.com/8-521-4902SouthamObserver said:@Plato - the idea that FT readers will be concerned that the Labour FT ad will affect their investments is hilarious.
And, yes, I also believe that, unlike you, most of them will understand the point of the ad.
For Labour the cost will be political, if they aren't prepared to defend their actions well.
http://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/Daily/Detail.aspx?g=ea6d6afe-b78a-440a-bb0d-18cbee9dbfaf
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Perhaps Cameron could ever so gently remind Nicola what is happening in the middle east. The Telegraph suggests that if the Iran nuclear talks reach agreement then the oil price could go as low as $20 a Barrel.Pulpstar said:Will Dave serenade Nicola and Leanne with "Ernie" ?
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Farage will be laughing as the issue of Europe makes it onto the news. Well played Labour - idiots!Grandiose said:Re Labour's ad: the spat with Siemens and Kelloggs is like to engulf the ad itself. If Labour honestly didn't think they would object to being quoted in a Labour Party ad, they're idiots. If on the other hand this was a ploy to feed the Miliband v Big Business narrative, then it may yet be successful.
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Has anyone received their Labour pledge card mug yet?
Mine is on its way. Am wondering if the firm which makes them have staff employed with zero hours contracts.0 -
Tories sliding out on betfair today & a tweet by Paul Goodman of Cons Home which suggests a bad 4pm Ashcroft poll for tories.
"Someone in a @LordAshcroft focus group has summed up the Conservatives' image problem in a single line. But I'm sworn to secrecy until 4pm."
They blew it at the budget. Came across as uncaring.0 -
Reshoot...
@JohnRentoul: Whoops. Martin Freeman says Labour is going to abolish zero-hours contracts. Only the "exploitative" ones I think https://t.co/Y4DO1E3p6Q0 -
Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.0
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was Tories turn to take a hit in Ashcroft snakes and ladders polling. More swingy than the Pirate Ship at Alton Towers.Purseybear said:Tories sliding out on betfair today & a tweet by Paul Goodman of Cons Home which suggests a bad 4pm Ashcroft poll for tories.
"Someone in a @LordAshcroft focus group has summed up the Conservatives' image problem in a single line. But I'm sworn to secrecy until 4pm."
They blew it at the budget. Came across as uncaring.0 -
UKIP haven't been on the Telly recently. The Dave/Nigel battle is very important this evening, as is the Nicola/Ed battle.Sunil_Prasannan said:The Rise and Fall (possibly?) of UKIP?
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/582187057994444800
Those are the two main ones I reckon... I know Leanne and Nathalie are also in the mix but I think Nicola is the one that will lay the most onto both Dave and Ed. She also has a record in Gov't to point towards that only Dave has.
There is one issue where both Bennett and Wood are quite to the left of Sturgeon - the monarchy - Wood and Bennett are both staunch republicans whereas I don't think Sturgeon is... if it gets there then that could be interesting... but I doubt it will do, and the three will act as a team for the most part.0 -
Alex Salmond acts like a James Bond baddy with his "flutes of pink champagne". He's set it up beautifully for Sturgeon on Thursday.Danny565 said:Ed has another opportunity here, I think, as long as he's as relaxed and natural as he was last week and doesn't try to cringeworthily appear more "statesmanlike" or try to cry about how he'll be as tough on spending cuts as the Tories.
I agree with the consensus that Sturgeon would do well, but I actually think that could help Labour in England. Obviously the supposed threat of the SNP is one of the big planks of the Tory campaign (the others being "Ed is crap" and "long-term economic plan"), but Sturgeon could defuse that threat in the minds of English people since she so self-evidently comes across as sane and reasonable. Unlike Salmond's jingoistic tub-thumping.0 -
I don't see how that indicates anything about the poll result at all.Purseybear said:Tories sliding out on betfair today & a tweet by Paul Goodman of Cons Home which suggests a bad 4pm Ashcroft poll for tories.
"Someone in a @LordAshcroft focus group has summed up the Conservatives' image problem in a single line. But I'm sworn to secrecy until 4pm."
They blew it at the budget. Came across as uncaring.0 -
Well guess it's been a while since we've had a poll more than neck n' neck MOE?FrancisUrquhart said:
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Tories turn to take a hit in Ashcroft snakes and ladders polling. More swingy than the Pirate Ship at Alton Towers.Purseybear said:Tories sliding out on betfair today & a tweet by Paul Goodman of Cons Home which suggests a bad 4pm Ashcroft poll for tories.
"Someone in a @LordAshcroft focus group has summed up the Conservatives' image problem in a single line. But I'm sworn to secrecy until 4pm."
They blew it at the budget. Came across as uncaring.
It's actually over 2 months since either Cons or Lab had a 5% lead or more in any poll. Incredible really. [23/02/2015 Lab were 6% up for Survation - Mirror]0 -
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.0 -
@SkyAnushka: William Hill have taken £10,000 bet - biggest yet - on outcome of a Government - going for Tory majority at 11/2. Hmmm will need some swing.0
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Populus are doing a post-debate poll. Just got the email.0
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Yeah, I agree. More likely to be misdirection and a Con lead (but then I'm a pessimist)Tissue_Price said:
I don't see how that indicates anything about the poll result at all.Purseybear said:Tories sliding out on betfair today & a tweet by Paul Goodman of Cons Home which suggests a bad 4pm Ashcroft poll for tories.
"Someone in a @LordAshcroft focus group has summed up the Conservatives' image problem in a single line. But I'm sworn to secrecy until 4pm."
They blew it at the budget. Came across as uncaring.0 -
Whilst I agree with you about Bennett - personally I find Leanne's Welsh valley's sing-song accent very pleasant to listen to. As she's female and thus naturally higher pitched it doesn't have the unpleasant rasping edge of someone like Kinnock.Pulpstar said:Accents may well matter, can see viewers reaching for the remote if Wood and Bennett get going.
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GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP0 -
Would be smartest move ever.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP0 -
shaky ground for staines, isn't it?dugarbandier said:MikeK said:Did @UKLabour know about their star celeb’s past before they lined up his endorsement today? http://t.co/ZOWj78WKhU pic.twitter.com/qoGv9lO4eb
— Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) March 30, 2015
The ground can open up under Staines' feet as far as I am concerned but all he is doing is quoting The Mirror ... ''an absolute disgrace… Amanda has been with Martin for 10 years and they have two kids – even if she really is skint why on earth can’t he chip in and help out with the bill?.. because she and her multi-millionaire partner can afford a fancy accountant, she doesn’t have to either, because he’s found her a way out of it”
The bill in question is of course a tax bill. How does a good socialist run up a tax bill of 120k in the first place - never mind not paying it?
Freeman as an actor is very good, I'm sure his heart is in the right place as a person. But its easy to see how he fits in with the BBC repertory cast of favoured actors and comedians.0 -
We can debate the legalities, but really what's lacking is common courtesy. If you're going to use someone to endorse your position as a positive you should at least seek their agreement.SouthamObserver said:
There is no danger in passing off when you are directly quoting someone and you are not misrepresenting what they say. There is no implication in the ad that the people concerned support Labour. There are a series of quotes from some very senior business people to the effect that the UK withdrawing from the EU would be a very bad idea. Compare and contrast with the Irvine adGrandiose said:
If Labour were a private company, they'd be in danger of passing off by implying the parties quoted had endorsed their product rather than just the dangers of leaving the EU. I don't see why it's different here. Not also the advertising regulations. http://uk.practicallaw.com/8-521-4902SouthamObserver said:@Plato - the idea that FT readers will be concerned that the Labour FT ad will affect their investments is hilarious.
And, yes, I also believe that, unlike you, most of them will understand the point of the ad.
For Labour the cost will be political, if they aren't prepared to defend their actions well.
http://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/Daily/Detail.aspx?g=ea6d6afe-b78a-440a-bb0d-18cbee9dbfaf0 -
That sounds like UKIP chaff to try to split the vote away from Con. Farage must be getting worried.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP0 -
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.0 -
Wonder if that's Rod Crosby's bet............Scott_P said:@SkyAnushka: William Hill have taken £10,000 bet - biggest yet - on outcome of a Government - going for Tory majority at 11/2. Hmmm will need some swing.
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Well guessing he knows the poll so if it IS a tory lead and he's tweeted that its not v clever. Up to Lord A whether he leaks and he hasn't.Tissue_Price said:
I don't see how that indicates anything about the poll result at all.Purseybear said:Tories sliding out on betfair today & a tweet by Paul Goodman of Cons Home which suggests a bad 4pm Ashcroft poll for tories.
"Someone in a @LordAshcroft focus group has summed up the Conservatives' image problem in a single line. But I'm sworn to secrecy until 4pm."
They blew it at the budget. Came across as uncaring.0 -
Precisely. Southam doesn't seem to understand this very simple point.Alanbrooke said:We can debate the legalities, but really what's lacking is common courtesy. If you're going to use someone to endorse your position as a positive you should at least seek their agreement.
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I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.0 -
Yeah they spiked M Smithson to something similar t'other day IIRC. If Farage is worried whats the best way to boost him over the line? Diss the tories of course. Hence these shenanigans.Tissue_Price said:
That sounds like UKIP chaff to try to split the vote away from Con. Farage must be getting worried.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP
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Perhaps that's an ad Labour have lined up for the campaign.Alanbrooke said:
I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.
'We, the undersigned luvvies offer to...'0 -
I did like martins statement that the Tories have done sod all for the young. Since 2012 we have taken on 13 apprentices all aged 16 or 17 and the government has given us £1500 for each one to help pay for their training . Interesting definition of sod all . I must ask our apprentices to see what they think.FrancisUrquhart said:
No mention of Ed?Scott_P said:@joeyjonessky: This is the new Labour election broadcast Martin Freeman: 'I choose Labour' – The Labour Party http://t.co/oLXCKyc0Gs
I really hate these "celeb" videos, endorsements, etc. Most are as normally about as in touch with the real world as top politicians.0 -
I'm in trouble if the Lib Dems hose up in Thanet SouthTissue_Price said:
That sounds like UKIP chaff to try to split the vote away from Con. Farage must be getting worried.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP0 -
I think he understands that point well enough.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. Southam doesn't seem to understand this very simple point.Alanbrooke said:We can debate the legalities, but really what's lacking is common courtesy. If you're going to use someone to endorse your position as a positive you should at least seek their agreement.
Perhaps the bar is being set a little lower for his preferred party?0 -
LOLTheWatcher said:
Perhaps that's an ad Labour have lined up for the campaign.Alanbrooke said:
I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.
'We, the undersigned luvvies offer to...'
looking at how the FT ad has been handled quite a lot of them are in for a surprise.
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DM me if you want me to beat the best bookies' price on that.Pulpstar said:
I'm in trouble if the Lib Dems hose up in Thanet SouthTissue_Price said:
That sounds like UKIP chaff to try to split the vote away from Con. Farage must be getting worried.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP0 -
Where is Baldrick and Izzard ?
Who will Joey Essex be supporting too?
Big questions...0 -
The Martin Freeman advert is of great interest, because Labour are explicitly pitching themselves on the basis of values-led policy rather than evidence-based policy. Oddly reminiscent of the Republicans.0
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How many had proper jobs at the end of it?currystar said:
I did like martins statement that the Tories have done sod all for the young. Since 2012 we have taken on 13 apprentices all aged 16 or 17 and the government has given us £1500 for each one to help pay for their training . Interesting definition of sod all . I must ask our apprentices to see what they think.FrancisUrquhart said:
No mention of Ed?Scott_P said:@joeyjonessky: This is the new Labour election broadcast Martin Freeman: 'I choose Labour' – The Labour Party http://t.co/oLXCKyc0Gs
I really hate these "celeb" videos, endorsements, etc. Most are as normally about as in touch with the real world as top politicians.0 -
By the way, it suddenly feels like an election. First day I've thought there's consciousness of May 7th GE.0
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Tissue_Price said:
DM me if you want me to beat the best bookies' price on that.Pulpstar said:
I'm in trouble if the Lib Dems hose up in Thanet SouthTissue_Price said:
That sounds like UKIP chaff to try to split the vote away from Con. Farage must be getting worried.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
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'But I was only giving an endorsement, not offering to kneel down before him'Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheWatcher said:
Perhaps that's an ad Labour have lined up for the campaign.Alanbrooke said:
I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.
'We, the undersigned luvvies offer to...'
looking at how the FT ad has been handled quite a lot of them are in for a surprise.0 -
Lib Dems going to have their work cut out in Thanet to beat
Al Zebabist Nation of OOOG
Manston Airport Party
Reality Party
Greens
Al Murray
Methinks.
It'd be funny if they came 8th :P0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Does the Freeman ad actually say anything beyond "Aren't Labour nice?"0 -
"You could be the next big boyband" /louiswalshvoice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0K_XIIBow&feature=youtu.be0 -
Is the SNP, Stalinist or not?
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If that is the Conservative Party's answer to the affordable family formation crisis then we deserve to lose. It's not enough to just make noises on immigration, we need further real action on controlling our borders as well as on deterring foreign buyers.TheWatcher said:
But why should they slum it as commuters, when by rights, they should be living in a trendy pad in Shoreditch?Flightpath said:
As an example a 'young prof' couple could buy a house in Byfleet for c£390k. Another one, 4 beds, £340k. A flat for c£200ktaffys said:The Tories offer literally nothing on housing in London.
Keep shouting this from the rooftops, Mr Max. We have a number of young profs working for us and even the humblest london property is way beyond them. There is a whole army of these people and they are going to to swing it for labour.
They even know labour are cr8p, but if enough money flees London after a Milli victory, they might have a chance to buy.
I fail to see why given this opportunity anyone should feel like ruining the entire country just to be selfish.0 -
Without breaking any confidences, the Lib Dems are putting the square root of bugger all effort in Thanet SouthPulpstar said:Lib Dems going to have their work cut out in Thanet to beat
Al Zebabist Nation of OOOG
Manston Airport Party
Reality Party
Greens
Al Murray
Methinks.
It'd be funny if they came 8th :P0 -
How does Freeman fit in with Ed's policy on income tax, broadest shoulders bear broadest burdens? Then Ed has been bellowing about tax evasion and tax avoidance as well. If Freeman has been using creative accounting to minimise his exposure to income taxes then he is open like Labour to charges of double standards.
But to be honest, once again Miliband's team appear to be less professional than any operation directed by Campbell for Blair.0 -
Any lower and they will be limbo dancing.Floater said:
I think he understands that point well enough.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. Southam doesn't seem to understand this very simple point.Alanbrooke said:We can debate the legalities, but really what's lacking is common courtesy. If you're going to use someone to endorse your position as a positive you should at least seek their agreement.
Perhaps the bar is being set a little lower for his preferred party?0 -
" Sorry Ed, I was after a bigger part, there;s not much to sink my teeth in to "TheWatcher said:
'But I was only giving an endorsement, not offering to kneel down before him'Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheWatcher said:
Perhaps that's an ad Labour have lined up for the campaign.Alanbrooke said:
I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.
'We, the undersigned luvvies offer to...'
looking at how the FT ad has been handled quite a lot of them are in for a surprise.0 -
Well they will do a four year apprenticeship to become a plumber or an electrician. I think that they are proper jobs. If they want to stay with us then that will be great as employee continuity is great strength for any company to have. These are proper apprenticeships not labours apprenticeship guarantee which Is nonsense.Purseybear said:
How many had proper jobs at the end of it?currystar said:
I did like martins statement that the Tories have done sod all for the young. Since 2012 we have taken on 13 apprentices all aged 16 or 17 and the government has given us £1500 for each one to help pay for their training . Interesting definition of sod all . I must ask our apprentices to see what they think.FrancisUrquhart said:
No mention of Ed?Scott_P said:@joeyjonessky: This is the new Labour election broadcast Martin Freeman: 'I choose Labour' – The Labour Party http://t.co/oLXCKyc0Gs
I really hate these "celeb" videos, endorsements, etc. Most are as normally about as in touch with the real world as top politicians.0 -
"Ed, this is how you put a piece of meat in your gob, without looking like a bell end"Alanbrooke said:
" Sorry Ed, I was after a bigger part, there;s not much to sink my teeth in to "TheWatcher said:
'But I was only giving an endorsement, not offering to kneel down before him'Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheWatcher said:
Perhaps that's an ad Labour have lined up for the campaign.Alanbrooke said:
I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.
'We, the undersigned luvvies offer to...'
looking at how the FT ad has been handled quite a lot of them are in for a surprise.0 -
I got a Lib Dem leaflet through in Sheffield Central when I lived there at GE2010 of Gordon Brown standing next to Margaret Thatcher. They almost had my vote till till that point.TheScreamingEagles said:
Without breaking any confidences, the Lib Dems are putting the square root of bugger all effort in Thanet SouthPulpstar said:Lib Dems going to have their work cut out in Thanet to beat
Al Zebabist Nation of OOOG
Manston Airport Party
Reality Party
Greens
Al Murray
Methinks.
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Well the Conservatives have been plastering the Constituency since the start of the weekend with vote Mackinlay boards so they are not sparing the resources.MikeK said:GoodnightVienna @CallingEngland 1m1 minute ago
What's all this I'm hearing on the radio abt the Cons deliberately throwing Thanet South in order to hand it to Labour & oust Farage? #UKIP
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Just I've heard stories of apprentices getting nothing permanent at the end of it. Just another part of the equation. Don't get me wrong - am mahooosive fan of apprenticeships. need lot less uni places.currystar said:
Well they will do a four year apprenticeship to become a plumber or an electrician. I think that they are proper jobs. If they want to stay with us then that will be great as employee continuity is great strength for any company to have. These are proper apprenticeships not labours apprenticeship guarantee which Is nonsense.Purseybear said:
How many had proper jobs at the end of it?currystar said:
I did like martins statement that the Tories have done sod all for the young. Since 2012 we have taken on 13 apprentices all aged 16 or 17 and the government has given us £1500 for each one to help pay for their training . Interesting definition of sod all . I must ask our apprentices to see what they think.FrancisUrquhart said:
No mention of Ed?Scott_P said:@joeyjonessky: This is the new Labour election broadcast Martin Freeman: 'I choose Labour' – The Labour Party http://t.co/oLXCKyc0Gs
I really hate these "celeb" videos, endorsements, etc. Most are as normally about as in touch with the real world as top politicians.0 -
Do you get an Ice Pick if you say yes?Flightpath said:Is the SNP, Stalinist or not?
Note that the motion to prevent internal criticism was accompanied by Eck calling for a state takeover of the national Broadcaster...0 -
You remind me of a young Take ThatTissue_Price said:"You could be the next big boyband" /louiswalshvoice
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0K_XIIBow&feature=youtu.be0 -
Well if you have to tell one barefaced lie - make it a big one.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Does the Freeman ad actually say anything beyond "Aren't Labour nice?"
Meanwhile in France,
''French politics went from ding to dong on Sunday. One side, the dingers, was cock-a-hoop. The others, the dongers, swore they would be back next time.
Both the conservative dingers and Socialist dongers agreed on one thing, though. Thank goodness they had once again kept out those nasty upstarts, the clangers of the National Front.''
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Take That and 4 PartiesTheScreamingEagles said:
You remind me of a young Take ThatTissue_Price said:"You could be the next big boyband" /louiswalshvoice
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0K_XIIBow&feature=youtu.be0 -
That's the nicest thing I've seen on PB all week.currystar said:
Well they will do a four year apprenticeship to become a plumber or an electrician. I think that they are proper jobs. If they want to stay with us then that will be great as employee continuity is great strength for any company to have. These are proper apprenticeships not labours apprenticeship guarantee which Is nonsense.Purseybear said:
How many had proper jobs at the end of it?currystar said:
I did like martins statement that the Tories have done sod all for the young. Since 2012 we have taken on 13 apprentices all aged 16 or 17 and the government has given us £1500 for each one to help pay for their training . Interesting definition of sod all . I must ask our apprentices to see what they think.FrancisUrquhart said:
No mention of Ed?Scott_P said:@joeyjonessky: This is the new Labour election broadcast Martin Freeman: 'I choose Labour' – The Labour Party http://t.co/oLXCKyc0Gs
I really hate these "celeb" videos, endorsements, etc. Most are as normally about as in touch with the real world as top politicians.
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Could It Be Magic?Tissue_Price said:
Take That and 4 PartiesTheScreamingEagles said:
You remind me of a young Take ThatTissue_Price said:"You could be the next big boyband" /louiswalshvoice
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0K_XIIBow&feature=youtu.be0 -
" The script for this new ad looks a bit of a mouthful - where's Roger ?"TheScreamingEagles said:
"Ed, this is how you put a piece of meat in your gob, without looking like a bell end"Alanbrooke said:
" Sorry Ed, I was after a bigger part, there;s not much to sink my teeth in to "TheWatcher said:
'But I was only giving an endorsement, not offering to kneel down before him'Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheWatcher said:
Perhaps that's an ad Labour have lined up for the campaign.Alanbrooke said:
I'd be more impressed at his intervention if he did. :-)TheWatcher said:
Somehow, I can't see Martin Freeman making a similar offer to Milliband.Alanbrooke said:
I never get why politicians feel they need to have celebrity endorsements, presumably to roll the lack of policy turd in glitter.richardDodd said:Mini coup for Labour getting the Hobbit on board..the same Hobbit whose old lady has just gone bankrupt to avoid a 120k tax bill...going well so far.
Still doesn't beat Cameron's endorsement by Charlotte Crosby.
'We, the undersigned luvvies offer to...'
looking at how the FT ad has been handled quite a lot of them are in for a surprise.0 -
As opposed to privatising it.Scott_P said:
Do you get an Ice Pick if you say yes?Flightpath said:Is the SNP, Stalinist or not?
Note that the motion to prevent internal criticism was accompanied by Eck calling for a state takeover of the national Broadcaster...
No, I did not see that but it must tell everyone all there is to know about the SNP. It has moved far left and any sane centre right voter must see that.0 -
Makes a change to Eddie Izzard I suppose...Scott_P said:@joeyjonessky: This is the new Labour election broadcast Martin Freeman: 'I choose Labour' – The Labour Party http://t.co/oLXCKyc0Gs
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Chuka Umunna: It’s no different from Sky News quoting a business leader.
Adam Boulton: Except yours says ‘VOTE LABOUR’ at the bottom.
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That obscure post is reporting the second round of the French local elections, which were interesting, because despite the refusal of the centre-right (Sarkozy) to agree a common front against the National Front, the voters did it anyway. The FN actually lost ground (by 3%) compared with the first round, winning only five councils out of 278 on a slightly higher turnout.Flightpath said:
Meanwhile in France,
''French politics went from ding to dong on Sunday. One side, the dingers, was cock-a-hoop. The others, the dongers, swore they would be back next time.
Both the conservative dingers and Socialist dongers agreed on one thing, though. Thank goodness they had once again kept out those nasty upstarts, the clangers of the National Front.''
At least the French see that 'ding dong' is better than 'ting tong'.
That appears to suggest a ceiling to the FN vote - they are able to get a quarter of the vote, but the other three quarters are generally hostile enough to vote for traditional rivals in order to keep them out.
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Today's Phoney War is nearly over.0
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I love it when campaigns start and the media get rightly arsey with the politicians. Serves them right. None of them are now MPs and they're called to account.Moses_ said:Chuka Umunna: It’s no different from Sky News quoting a business leader.
Adam Boulton: Except yours says ‘VOTE LABOUR’ at the bottom.
Hat tip guido
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Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 28s 28 seconds ago
Ashcroft National Poll, 27-29 March: CON 36%, LAB 34%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 10%, GRN 7%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.0 -
I'll go for
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29 Lab
9 Lib Dem
13 UKIP0 -
Lord A
Con 36 (+3) Lab 34 (+1) LD 6 (-2) UKIP 10 (-2) Greens 7 (+2)0 -
Another Paxo bounce bitches0
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Ashcroft National Poll, 27-29 March: CON 36%, LAB 34%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 10%, GRN 7%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.0
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Game On!0
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Can we all have a "hell yeah".....TheScreamingEagles said:Lord A
Con 36 (+3) Lab 34 (+1) LD 6 (-2) UKIP 10 (-2) Greens 7 (+2)
On a serious note, I think what is more interesting is that Tories are now starting to hit 35-36%...that is an uptick, I think taking some votes from UKIP. The question is that all, or will a Miliband government scare more of the "I hate f##king Cameron" brigade to switch at the end?
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Haven't they been banned already - by the coalition?Scott_P said:Reshoot...
@JohnRentoul: Whoops. Martin Freeman says Labour is going to abolish zero-hours contracts. Only the "exploitative" ones I think https://t.co/Y4DO1E3p6Q0