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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    Nice cartoon, Marf! Easter Egg-splosion!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    edited March 2015
    https://twitter.com/PanelbaseMD/status/581146626108076032
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    Coalition left with egg on their faces.
    And people are talking about a Tory minority government? Lol
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,118
    It'll be interesting to see how this goes. I can see it both ways: he might have been fatally weakened, or massively strengthened. Whatever, it's another scene in the pantomime that is Westminster.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,393
    edited March 2015
    JosiasJessop said:

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes. I can see it both ways: he might have been fatally weakened, or massively strengthened. Whatever, it's another scene in the pantomime that is Westminster.

    I am sure I remember reading a poem about that lighthouse mystery at school but I am not finding it.

    Edit, this is it: http://www.potw.org/archive/potw230.html
    Quite atmospheric.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/PanelbaseMD/status/581146626108076032

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    FYI - I think Panelbase meant GB wide, not UK wide
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/PanelbaseMD/status/581146626108076032

    Mixed picture for Con the last few days - a little disappointing that position vs Lab isn't further improving; however encouraging that absolute rating is inching upwards.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Sorry FPT

    JosiasJessop said:
    » show previous quotes
    Probably the Loran system I mentioned earlier.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN
    No it wasn't ... Good try though. I like the thinking. I did use Loran A with correction tables and a seriously bad ocillisscope. That was then modified to Loran C with even more fecking tables and numerous codes.

    But yes you are on the right track but forget parabolic :-) think beams ......

    Does the word parabolic get you modded these days by the way?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    Fieldwork for the Panelbase poll

    Fieldwork 24-26 March.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    We won't know what to make of this poll until we find out whether, as they often do in Scotland, Panelbase asked any questions before the voting preference questions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    Ok, they did mean UK wide poll.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    antifrank said:

    We won't know what to make of this poll until we find out whether, as they often do in Scotland, Panelbase asked any questions before the voting preference questions.

    Tables are out tonight.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    They haven't got anything on that pollster from India. When are we expecting them??
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    They haven't got anything on that pollster from India. When are we expecting them??
    If they are like last time, one poll in April.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,393
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
    And straight into the cluster. Talk about playing safe.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Another pollster, another tie.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    OMG

    My constituents were rude and I didn't earn enough, says MP Aidan Burley

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/constituents-were-rude-didnt-earn-8928531
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
    And straight into the cluster. Talk about playing safe.
    It cheered me up, Greens out polling the Lib Dems.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,795
    https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/581152128821006337
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    There is only one genuine ELBOW! :p
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
    And straight into the cluster. Talk about playing safe.
    It cheered me up, Greens out polling the Lib Dems.
    LDs on 5 is too low.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    chestnut said:

    Another pollster, another tie.

    That sounds like a song from a fairly dreary Andrew Lloyd Webber musical.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
    And straight into the cluster. Talk about playing safe.
    It cheered me up, Greens out polling the Lib Dems.
    LDs on 5 is too low.
    How do you know? :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
    And straight into the cluster. Talk about playing safe.
    It cheered me up, Greens out polling the Lib Dems.
    LDs on 5 is too low.
    How do you know? :lol:
    Because I am the walrus.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    edited March 2015
    One of the most interesting days of HoC theatre saved for the final day of parliament. One for the geeks maybe, but a strange piece of tactical naïveté (and wonky pettiness) from team blue. Zero impact on the election outcome, but this won't be forgotten in the house for some time.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Accrington Stanley? Panelbase? Who are they?

    The joint most accurate pollster during the Indyref.
    I was only kidding! Looks like their first ever UK poll, at least since ELBOW inception in August.
    I think this is their first ever GB/UK wide Westminster VI Poll
    And straight into the cluster. Talk about playing safe.
    It cheered me up, Greens out polling the Lib Dems.
    LDs on 5 is too low.
    Not for Martin Day. :smile:

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    antifrank said:

    chestnut said:

    Another pollster, another tie.

    That sounds like a song from a fairly dreary Andrew Lloyd Webber musical.
    Wasn't it good (oh so good)
    Wasn't he fine (oh so fine)
    Isn't it madness
    He can't be TIED!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    There is only one genuine ELBOW! :p
    That is true. I only employ a basic averaging. It was intended as a PB replacement for the wiki graph which was slow to update.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    BTW, because I am a total nerd and love to watch these things, when is Prorogation?
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    RobD said:

    BTW, because I am a total nerd and love to watch these things, when is Prorogation?

    A total nerd would know.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    No probs. By the way it's interesting comparing your 15 day and 7 day - I think the evidence is that the 7 day is too short a period and therefore contains random variations - whereas if you look at the 15 day it looks like the trends are much more robust.

    Of course with an increase in the number of polls it could be that the 7 day becomes more robust in the future - but not quite yet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    No probs. By the way it's interesting comparing your 15 day and 7 day - I think the evidence is that the 7 day is too short a period and therefore contains random variations - whereas if you look at the 15 day it looks like the trends are much more robust.

    Of course with an increase in the number of polls it could be that the 7 day becomes more robust in the future - but not quite yet.
    Don't ask me to over-plot the 7 day average on the 15day plot as I think that would involve creating another spreadsheet. ;)

    I leave both there so users can pick which one they want to investigate. The may2015 website has a good feature that lets you chose what averaging box you want to use. I don't think google docs is flexible enough to do this.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited March 2015
    I've been doing a bit of time travel and got hold of an exit poll issued at 10PM on May 7th

    Result - Hung Parliament.

    Conservatives 300 seats - 25 short

    Predicted range between Con 10 Short and Labour 13 short.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvifYlqihA


    We hear a lot about how the pollsters changed their weightings to eliminate false recall and probability of bothering to vote errors. But this was an exit poll of people who HAD voted.



  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    Eh_ehm_a_eh said:

    RobD said:

    BTW, because I am a total nerd and love to watch these things, when is Prorogation?

    A total nerd would know.
    Oh, it was today. I feel like a dummy. iPlayer to the rescue!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    No probs. By the way it's interesting comparing your 15 day and 7 day - I think the evidence is that the 7 day is too short a period and therefore contains random variations - whereas if you look at the 15 day it looks like the trends are much more robust.

    Of course with an increase in the number of polls it could be that the 7 day becomes more robust in the future - but not quite yet.
    Don't ask me to over-plot the 7 day average on the 15day plot as I think that would involve creating another spreadsheet. ;)

    I leave both there so users can pick which one they want to investigate. The may2015 website has a good feature that lets you chose what averaging box you want to use. I don't think google docs is flexible enough to do this.
    Thanks - I suggest you leave it just as it is now - it does the job very well indeed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    Paul_Mid_Beds said:

    I've been doing a bit of time travel and got hold of an exit poll issued at 10PM on May 7th

    Result - Hung Parliament.

    Conservatives 300 seats - 25 short

    Predicted range between Con 10 Short and Labour 13 short.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvifYlqihA


    We hear a lot about how the pollsters changed their weightings to eliminate false recall and probability of bothering to vote errors. But this was an exit poll of people who HAD voted.



    So I've always wanted to watch the coverage all the way through and plot how the BBC forecast changes with hours since the polls closed. It'd be interesting to see the slow creep towards blue majority.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,936
    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    There is only one genuine ELBOW! :p
    That is true. I only employ a basic averaging. It was intended as a PB replacement for the wiki graph which was slow to update.
    Still, mine only goes far back as August - conveniently the first complete month where all pollsters decided to have Greens separated from "others".

    I think the person who looks after the Wiki graph updates each month.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,716
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    Second? Thanks for the lighthouse links Josias, very interesting.

    Rob, you've got Con and Lab wrong way round on yesterday's Survation.
    Can't get one past you! I'll change it when I get to my desk. Do you want edit permissions on the document?
    Thanks - but don't want to mess it up in any other way - probably best to leave it to you.
    OK. Well be sure to keep bugging me on here if there are more mistakes. Strange how they are always mistakes good for team Blue... *innocent face*
    There is only one genuine ELBOW! :p
    That is true. I only employ a basic averaging. It was intended as a PB replacement for the wiki graph which was slow to update.
    Still, mine only goes far back as August - conveniently the first complete month where all pollsters decided to have Greens separated from "others".

    I think the person who looks after the Wiki graph updates each month.
    Bloody TNS-BMRB ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    shadsy has put up a buzzword bingo market for tonight:

    http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/TV-Debates/Sky-News-Debate/Politics-N-1z124w7Z1z0qdtdZ1z141ng/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sports&utm_campaign=politics_CZ226/3/15&hootPostID=54744c56532813db497503892aae8c04

    I've got better things to do tonight than watch the interviews and Q&As, so I'm not betting on this one.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,637
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OMG

    My constituents were rude and I didn't earn enough, says MP Aidan Burley

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/constituents-were-rude-didnt-earn-8928531

    Cant be bad for the 250/1 tip that I am not on
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,359
    FPT [This is to Stodge]

    The problem wasn't the secret ballot. There are arguments for and against. I'm probably in favour if it introduced when the Speaker retires so that it isn't personal though I would like to hear the arguments.

    The problem was the underhand method. No notice. Last day of the parliament when many MPs are back in their contituency. The Chief Whip (who probably thought this wheeze up) called a meeting of Tory MPs in Westminster so they would be available. No notice given or consultation with the opposition or even with the Tory Chairman of the Procedure Committee. This is a significant change in procedure that needs the support of the whole house. Instead it was a mean and vindicative attempt at a coup.

    I don't know yet which Lib Dems voted for it but I suspect the usual suspects did. I hope Tim Farron didn't or I will have to rethink my membership of the party.

    ... later

    I've now got the division list.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/todays-commons-debates/read/unknown/416/

    After a quick scan I can't see any LibDems in the AYEs - not Clegg, not Alexander. So I take back what I said about the usual suspects.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,896
    Mr. Antifrank, ones that interest me are:
    People Say To Me 3.5
    You Can't Trust The Tories 4
    Alex Salmond's Poodle 5

    Only put tiny stakes on, of course
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,914
    Great to see the bully boys taken down a peg or two. Cameron, Hague and Gove couldn't even organise a decent ambush.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I don't agree with OGH. Bercow now knows roughly the HoC wants rid of him. If he had any self respect he would intimate he is standing down. The Tories should now select an official Conservative candidate for Buckingham to make the position clear.

    SKY getting very excited about 9pm but is anyone out there actually the slightest bit bothered? I'll be watching Death in Paradise with Ben Miller.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,118
    Moses_ said:

    Sorry FPT

    JosiasJessop said:
    » show previous quotes
    Probably the Loran system I mentioned earlier.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN
    No it wasn't ... Good try though. I like the thinking. I did use Loran A with correction tables and a seriously bad ocillisscope. That was then modified to Loran C with even more fecking tables and numerous codes.

    But yes you are on the right track but forget parabolic :-) think beams ......

    Does the word parabolic get you modded these days by the way?

    Ah, that's me stumped then. I had read up on this sort of thing, but most of it's gone fluttering prettily out of my mind.

    And whilst we are so happily off-topic, Greg Goebel's got a description of satellite navigation systems on his excellent site (well worth a read if you're into planes):
    http://www.vectorsite.net/ttgps.html
    and another on radar:
    http://www.vectorsite.net/ttradar.html
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,359
    Easterross said:

    I don't agree with OGH. Bercow now knows roughly the HoC wants rid of him. If he had any self respect he would intimate he is standing down. The Tories should now select an official Conservative candidate for Buckingham to make the position clear.

    SKY getting very excited about 9pm but is anyone out there actually the slightest bit bothered? I'll be watching Death in Paradise with Ben Miller.

    It's the next HoC that matters and as there will be 40 less Tories ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    edited March 2015
    Easterross said:

    SKY getting very excited about 9pm but is anyone out there actually the slightest bit bothered? I'll be watching Death in Paradise with Ben Miller.

    Looking at the BBC website you wouldn't even know it was on. I would be shocked if it gets any sort of ratings.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    antifrank said:

    shadsy has put up a buzzword bingo market for tonight:

    http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/TV-Debates/Sky-News-Debate/Politics-N-1z124w7Z1z0qdtdZ1z141ng/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sports&utm_campaign=politics_CZ226/3/15&hootPostID=54744c56532813db497503892aae8c04

    I've got better things to do tonight than watch the interviews and Q&As, so I'm not betting on this one.

    "I've made it to the lectern without soiling myself" doesn't seem to feature.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Antifrank, ones that interest me are:
    People Say To Me 3.5
    You Can't Trust The Tories 4
    Alex Salmond's Poodle 5

    Only put tiny stakes on, of course

    If I were betting, I'd ponder over "tough decisions" at 9/4 and "he just doesn't get it" at 5/1.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032
    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Easterross said:

    SKY getting very excited about 9pm but is anyone out there actually the slightest bit bothered? I'll be watching Death in Paradise with Ben Miller.

    Looking at the BBC website you wouldn't even know it was on.
    Curious given all the media hullabaloo it took to get any format agreed and the ramping up that occurred. Downplaying so their events take more prominence?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Sir Hogan-Howe, why apologise to the father of the jihadi 3 given he was shouting for jihad on our streets? (4.50) https://t.co/1lpWVXG67L

    — Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) March 26, 2015

    ----------------

    @KTHopkins On the left is him blaming the police for his daughter going Jihad on the right is him calling for Jihad.. pic.twitter.com/Z2CdX4VCgB

    — What's my name? (@Wats_my_name) March 26, 2015
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Nicola Sturgeon has insisted that Alex Salmond is not “calling the shots” in the SNP as she faced unprecedented mockery at Holyrood over her predecessor portraying himself as kingmaker after the general election.

    For the second day running the First Minister was forced to assert that she, and not her mentor, is leading the Nationalists and overseeing the party’s election strategy.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11497686/Nicola-Sturgeon-mocked-as-she-insists-Alex-Salmond-is-not-in-charge.html
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Easterross said:

    SKY getting very excited about 9pm but is anyone out there actually the slightest bit bothered? I'll be watching Death in Paradise with Ben Miller.

    Looking at the BBC website you wouldn't know it was on. I would be shocked if it gets any sort of ratings.
    It's astonishing. There was huge hype back in 2010 - I'm amazed the wider media is hardly saying anything about tonight.

    Not only has Crosby got the format he wanted to keep it all as low key as possible - but he's also managed to get the whole media to play ball as well.

    There will surely be a lot of hype for next week's 7 way debate. The interesting question then is what happens for the 5 way debate - that is on BBC so will automatically get all the might of BBC promotion which is far more powerful than anyone else.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    edited March 2015
    MikeK said:

    Sir Hogan-Howe, why apologise to the father of the jihadi 3 given he was shouting for jihad on our streets? (4.50) https://t.co/1lpWVXG67L

    — Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) March 26, 2015

    ----------------

    @KTHopkins On the left is him blaming the police for his daughter going Jihad on the right is him calling for Jihad.. pic.twitter.com/Z2CdX4VCgB

    — What's my name? (@Wats_my_name) March 26, 2015

    Well that is interesting development (if it as tweeted)....I wonder if the media will run it, as they have been bending over backwards to blame everybody but the individuals and their families for what has happened.

    Their lawyer is also an interesting individual.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,637
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Antifrank, ones that interest me are:
    People Say To Me 3.5
    You Can't Trust The Tories 4
    Alex Salmond's Poodle 5

    Only put tiny stakes on, of course

    I am useless at these markets, I think they are going to say them all!!

    But the four outsiders look like they should be the four favourites to me
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Saw Mary MacLeod on SKY News build up to this evening. The girl from Dingwall is looking well and obviously ready for the fight to hold her seat. Pity SKY cant spell her name correctly!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,117
    Barnesian said:

    FPT [This is to Stodge]

    The problem wasn't the secret ballot. There are arguments for and against. I'm probably in favour if it introduced when the Speaker retires so that it isn't personal though I would like to hear the arguments.

    The problem was the underhand method. No notice. Last day of the parliament when many MPs are back in their contituency. The Chief Whip (who probably thought this wheeze up) called a meeting of Tory MPs in Westminster so they would be available. No notice given or consultation with the opposition or even with the Tory Chairman of the Procedure Committee. This is a significant change in procedure that needs the support of the whole house. Instead it was a mean and vindicative attempt at a coup.

    I don't know yet which Lib Dems voted for it but I suspect the usual suspects did. I hope Tim Farron didn't or I will have to rethink my membership of the party.

    ... later

    I've now got the division list.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/todays-commons-debates/read/unknown/416/

    After a quick scan I can't see any LibDems in the AYEs - not Clegg, not Alexander. So I take back what I said about the usual suspects.

    Ed Davey in amongst the Gov't. Thurso too.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    antifrank said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Antifrank, ones that interest me are:
    People Say To Me 3.5
    You Can't Trust The Tories 4
    Alex Salmond's Poodle 5

    Only put tiny stakes on, of course

    If I were betting, I'd ponder over "tough decisions" at 9/4 and "he just doesn't get it" at 5/1.
    "he just doesn't get it" is pretty tempting.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,896
    Mr. Antifrank, they're also tempting.

    Mr. K, good spot. Unsurprising that Anjem Choudry also appears in the video.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,896
    Mr. Isam, I have a very patchy record with such markets (not unlike my tennis tips, actually).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    Nicola Sturgeon has insisted that Alex Salmond is not “calling the shots” in the SNP as she faced unprecedented mockery at Holyrood over her predecessor portraying himself as kingmaker after the general election.

    For the second day running the First Minister was forced to assert that she, and not her mentor, is leading the Nationalists and overseeing the party’s election strategy.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11497686/Nicola-Sturgeon-mocked-as-she-insists-Alex-Salmond-is-not-in-charge.html

    Bear defecates in wood. Pope keen on Catholicism.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,894
    edited March 2015
    If "competence OR chaos" was there I'd have definitely backed it.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,637
    Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage)
    26/03/2015 18:29
    I told ITV I regret calling the 'protesters' who accosted my family "scum"... I should have used stronger language: itv.com/news/london/20…

    Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft)
    26/03/2015 18:33
    @Nigel_Farage agree
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032
    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker. And comparing him to a managing director.......... I know Tories have an obsession with turning everythig into a business but it's a parliament. I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,651
    edited March 2015
    FrankBooth said:

    I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.

    Old Betty was widely liked and respected across the house over the period of several governments. Bad speaker?
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker. And comparing him to a managing director.......... I know Tories have an obsession with turning everythig into a business but it's a parliament. I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.
    Bercow is disliked because he is a Labour patsy. And approves of the most ridiculous UQs from Labour.

  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker. And comparing him to a managing director.......... I know Tories have an obsession with turning everythig into a business but it's a parliament. I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.
    Both Betty Boothroyd and Bernard Weatherill were widely respected across the HoC. Lindsay Hoyle the Deputy Speaker is highly regarded by Tories. Bercow described himself in an interview as being like the Managing Director of the HoC. He has got it coming and I hope when it happens he is utterly humiliated. His ghastly, vulgar wife has brought the institution of Speaker into disrepute with her media outings.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,704
    isam said:

    Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage)
    26/03/2015 18:29
    I told ITV I regret calling the 'protesters' who accosted my family "scum"... I should have used stronger language: itv.com/news/london/20…

    Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft)
    26/03/2015 18:33
    @Nigel_Farage agree

    Not at all an unreasonable attitude. And I'm NEVER, EVER going to vote UKIP!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker. And comparing him to a managing director.......... I know Tories have an obsession with turning everythig into a business but it's a parliament. I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.
    He was quite popular with the Brown government. Bercow is not a supporter of the back benchers against all governments.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    I like "we're all in this together" at 5/1. I think Miliband may well say, "He said... But..." Etc.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker. And comparing him to a managing director.......... I know Tories have an obsession with turning everythig into a business but it's a parliament. I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.
    Both Betty Boothroyd and Bernard Weatherill were widely respected across the HoC. Lindsay Hoyle the Deputy Speaker is highly regarded by Tories. Bercow described himself in an interview as being like the Managing Director of the HoC. He has got it coming and I hope when it happens he is utterly humiliated. His ghastly, vulgar wife has brought the institution of Speaker into disrepute with her media outings.
    hear hear.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Ed gets called David 2/1
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Evening all – even the Easter bunny dislikes Bercow,- or is that Vlad the impaler?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2015
    antifrank said:

    shadsy has put up a buzzword bingo market for tonight:

    http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/TV-Debates/Sky-News-Debate/Politics-N-1z124w7Z1z0qdtdZ1z141ng/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sports&utm_campaign=politics_CZ226/3/15&hootPostID=54744c56532813db497503892aae8c04

    I've got better things to do tonight than watch the interviews and Q&As, so I'm not betting on this one.

    You don't need to watch it to collect. Just check in tomorrow to count your winnings.

    For once I think Shadsy is being very generous indeed. This is a long programme, remember, and it's on either of Dave or Ed saying the magic words. I'm on:

    Long-term economic plan @ 1.33
    Out of touch @ 2.0
    Fully costed @ 2.5
    Competence not chaos @ 5.0
    Hard-working families @ 3.0
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,894
    edited March 2015
    "The Guardian has commissioned a snap poll from ICM and, soon after the event finishes at 10.30pm, we will be publishing the results, which will show who respondents think “won” the contest, as well as who came over as more appealing and more convincing."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates


    Will be interesting..
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Monksfield said:

    Great to see the bully boys taken down a peg or two. Cameron, Hague and Gove couldn't even organise a decent ambush.

    What happened today was a real disgrace. The Conservative leadership has treated their MPs appallingly. Whoever is in charge of strategy needs to be given the boot. What hope do we have of Dave renegotiating with the EU when he has presiding over a catalogue of poor decisions. I would not be suprised if he attempts to pass off scraps as being a substantial renegotiation package based on what happened today and with the EAW. A sorry day for British politics.
    MikeK said:

    Sir Hogan-Howe, why apologise to the father of the jihadi 3 given he was shouting for jihad on our streets? (4.50) https://t.co/1lpWVXG67L

    — Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) March 26, 2015

    ----------------

    @KTHopkins On the left is him blaming the police for his daughter going Jihad on the right is him calling for Jihad.. pic.twitter.com/Z2CdX4VCgB

    — What's my name? (@Wats_my_name) March 26, 2015
    I knew something was not right when the solicitor representing the three families was linked to Cage.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11463208/Lawyer-backing-girls-who-fled-to-Syria-is-linked-to-terror-apologists.html

    Meanwhile Antisemitism reaches highs not seen since the 1930s.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11493482/Anti-Semitism-in-Europe-akin-to-1930s-Jewish-leader.html
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Artist said:

    "The Guardian has commissioned a snap poll from ICM and, soon after the event finishes at 10.30pm, we will be publishing the results, which will show who respondents think “won” the contest, as well as who came over as more appealing and more convincing."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates


    Will be interesting..

    I wonder if they'll be able to find enough viewers.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    antifrank said:

    If I were betting, I'd ponder over "tough decisions" at 9/4 and "he just doesn't get it" at 5/1.

    I'd have thought "he just doesn't get it" is not very likely in this format (it would be different if it were a debate between the two of them). Possible, though: 5/1 looks fair to me.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Artist said:

    "The Guardian has commissioned a snap poll from ICM and, soon after the event finishes at 10.30pm, we will be publishing the results, which will show who respondents think “won” the contest, as well as who came over as more appealing and more convincing."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates


    Will be interesting..

    YouGov Daily is planning one too. I have already been contacted to confirm that I will be watching.

    Foxinsox jr has gone out with friends. Can't think why...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032
    So how come the government only managed 200 votes if Bercow is so awful. Were many Tory MPs otherwise engaged? I've just watched Nigel Evans from the DP saying he was concerned that the vote might not go well as it was seen by some as about one man when it should be about MPs having the chance to vote secretly for the speaker. Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his backbenches and he paid for it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited March 2015
    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker.
    I like that he's not a government patsy, but his actions regarding the process of appointment of a new clerk, and his patently false response - he claims he wanted to split the role and the old traditionalists stymied him, but somehow thinks that is an explanation for why he tried secure the appointment of someone who was unqualified for the role as it stood - do make me conflicted on him, as it showed at best poor judgement and at worse something more sinister. Nevertheless, government actions today would have been unwise even if successful, and bloody idiotic when they were not.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,742
    Tories want Bercow out of the job of man who wears a funny robe because he can't command the support of 2/3rds of the HoC. Makes you wonder what they think of a man who is given charge of HM Government and the nuclear codes, yet who commands the support of less than 1/2 of the HoC.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Easterross said:

    I don't agree with OGH. Bercow now knows roughly the HoC wants rid of him. If he had any self respect he would intimate he is standing down. The Tories should now select an official Conservative candidate for Buckingham to make the position clear.

    SKY getting very excited about 9pm but is anyone out there actually the slightest bit bothered? I'll be watching Death in Paradise with Ben Miller.

    For all I am not a great fan of Bercow (not for any party reasons or any perceived bias but simply because I think he is a bit full of himself) surely the vote today showed that actually the HoC does NOT want to get rid of him.

    If the only way the Tories were ever going to win this vote was by ambushing the House to get it through then it strikes me that they knew in a straight vote tha majority would support the Speaker. Which by its very definition means the House wants him to stay.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    SquareRoot said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Easterross - how many want rid of him? Only 200 voted against him effectively, some of whom will surely be standing down and some will lose their seats and some of whom were just toeing the party line. I don't think that's too bad.

    I think Cameron over-estimated the dislike of Bercow on his bench. No surprise there party management has never been his strength.

    Any Managing Director who had lost of the confidence of at least one third of his/her board of directors would resign. Tories should stand against Bercow in hope of unseating him.
    But dislike him because he refuses to be a government patsy. There's simply no good reason for the hostility against him as speaker. And comparing him to a managing director.......... I know Tories have an obsession with turning everythig into a business but it's a parliament. I think it's generally a good sign if the government don't much like the speaker. He stands up for backbenchers.
    Both Betty Boothroyd and Bernard Weatherill were widely respected across the HoC. Lindsay Hoyle the Deputy Speaker is highly regarded by Tories. Bercow described himself in an interview as being like the Managing Director of the HoC. He has got it coming and I hope when it happens he is utterly humiliated. His ghastly, vulgar wife has brought the institution of Speaker into disrepute with her media outings.
    hear hear.
    Hear Hear again,I like the deputy speaker and hope he makes it to the top,and yes Mrs Bercow is a disgrace.
    But the process to seek secret votes was a disaster,and will change GE voting intentions not one iota.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032
    Of the 200 MPs who voted for the motion how many will be in Westminster on May 8th? 150? Some will presumably have voted for the motion on the basis that they actually believe in the principle of having a secret ballot. It's not clear that come the new parliament Bercow will have more than a quarter against him.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    The catchwords are:

    People say to me.
    long term economic plan.
    fully costed
    hard choices.
    hard working families.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Tax cuts for millionaires...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,084
    OT Yemen. People struggle to understand who are the goodies and who are the baddies in that area of the world. It's further confused by a feeling in the West that whoever the Americans are supporting are the goodies.

    If you speak to anyone in the region without an axe to grind they'll tell you the rule of thumb is whoever the Saudi's are supporting are the baddies. As they and the Americans are like Siamese twins it's confusing
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