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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,717
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    I’m in Croyde this week so got Spotlight news on. They’ve just said that there were cameras in Anne Widdacombe’s house which caught the attack.

    If so, why the fuck did the police allow the idea that it was a burglary develop? What an utter disgrace.

    I guess your average Devon plod is more like the detectives in Hot Fuzz than Poirot. Why does it matter to you so much that it took them 48 hours to nick the alleged killer?

    An aggravated burglary is a reasonable first assumption in such a murder, in the absence of domestic violence.

    Been binge watching Criminal Minds, but it should not take an FBI Behavioural Analyst to profile that a body hit with a hammer 21 times is overkill and more than just a burglary, especially combined with the victimology.

    Given the nature of the murder, and the nature of the victim, terrorism should have been the first thought.
    Even now I am not convinced the murder was terrorism, as there seems no attempt to terrorise others by the killing.

    We do not yet know the motive (if there was a clear one) and it looks to me that the offence of murder during the course of an aggravated burglary fits the known facts quite well.
    Come now, foxy. One doesn't travel hundreds of miles to steal a wallet. Other motives for taking a wallet after killing someone are available.
    The coppers didn't know the bad guy had driven 300 miles at that point.

    I don't know why a I am defending the rozzers. I can't stand 'em.
    Foxy's comment begins "Even now I am not convinced...".
    ...the murder was terrorism"

    The UK definition of Terrorism is an action or threat designed to influence the government or intimidate the public. Its purpose is to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.

    We do not yet know if that was the motive for the killing.
    Had a quick Google and it turn out I may have misunderstood aggravated burglary. I thought the motive had to be burglary, but apparently not. The mere combination of a weapon and a burglary will do.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,526

    Jacob Bethell out of Hundred and could miss England’s Test series

    All-rounder, 22, will not feature for Birmingham Phoenix and it is unclear if he’ll be fit to face Pakistan, while Tom Moody emerges as candidate to replace Brendon McCullum


    https://www.thetimes.com/sport/cricket/article/jacob-bethell-hundred-knee-injury-england-cricket-7j32nn82f

    The lengths people will go to not play in the Hundred....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,619
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    I’m in Croyde this week so got Spotlight news on. They’ve just said that there were cameras in Anne Widdacombe’s house which caught the attack.

    If so, why the fuck did the police allow the idea that it was a burglary develop? What an utter disgrace.

    I guess your average Devon plod is more like the detectives in Hot Fuzz than Poirot. Why does it matter to you so much that it took them 48 hours to nick the alleged killer?

    An aggravated burglary is a reasonable first assumption in such a murder, in the absence of domestic violence.

    Been binge watching Criminal Minds, but it should not take an FBI Behavioural Analyst to profile that a body hit with a hammer 21 times is overkill and more than just a burglary, especially combined with the victimology.

    Given the nature of the murder, and the nature of the victim, terrorism should have been the first thought.
    Even now I am not convinced the murder was terrorism, as there seems no attempt to terrorise others by the killing.

    We do not yet know the motive (if there was a clear one) and it looks to me that the offence of murder during the course of an aggravated burglary fits the known facts quite well.
    Come now, foxy. One doesn't travel hundreds of miles to steal a wallet. Other motives for taking a wallet after killing someone are available.
    The coppers didn't know the bad guy had driven 300 miles at that point.

    I don't know why a I am defending the rozzers. I can't stand 'em.
    Foxy's comment begins "Even now I am not convinced...".
    ...the murder was terrorism"

    The UK definition of Terrorism is an action or threat designed to influence the government or intimidate the public. Its purpose is to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.

    We do not yet know if that was the motive for the killing.
    Had a quick Google and it turn out I may have misunderstood aggravated burglary. I thought the motive had to be burglary, but apparently not. The mere combination of a weapon and a burglary will do.
    Yes, Aggravated Burglary is a specific offence.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,941
    viewcode said:

    Looking at the comments, it's beginning to dawn on me that a lot of you don't know what Northern Soul is. To that end, here is the tail end of a Culture Show episode from 2013 which includes Paul Mason (yes, that Paul Mason) dancing in the Northern Soul manner.

    https://youtu.be/JMtaEASd2LI?si=ZqYzTXDuwTCDVXSk&t=1667

    I want to say it's mainly M People.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,871
    viewcode said:

    My favourite MAGA explainer on factions in the Democratic Party

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUorvPu3Wj4

    How well does it mesh with the Nate Silver breakdown of the Democrats?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892
    Anyhoo I am delighted so many of you have spotted the subtle music reference in the headline.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Jacob Bethell out of Hundred and could miss England’s Test series

    All-rounder, 22, will not feature for Birmingham Phoenix and it is unclear if he’ll be fit to face Pakistan, while Tom Moody emerges as candidate to replace Brendon McCullum


    https://www.thetimes.com/sport/cricket/article/jacob-bethell-hundred-knee-injury-england-cricket-7j32nn82f

    The lengths people will go to not play in the Hundred....
    As much people will not to watch it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Gosh, some people are hard to please. Widdecombe was brutally murdered. The police have caught the murderer (presumably) very quickly, and he is now safely locked up. Looks to me like the police have done pretty well.

    I am quite free with criticisms of the police in many areas, but I'm really not feeling the outrage on this one. I think our expectations have been truly skewed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,526
    edited July 21
    del
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,526
    edited July 21

    Gosh, some people are hard to please. Widdecombe was brutally murdered. The police have caught the murderer (presumably) very quickly, and he is now safely locked up. Looks to me like the police have done pretty well.

    Two things can be true at once. The original local Devon plod made a boo boo and collared the wrong person, it happens. Then they compounded that by also making an unwise statement. The bigger boys took over the case, and got an arrest swiftly, good work by them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Anyhoo I am delighted so many of you have spotted the subtle music reference in the headline.

    I wouldn't spot a musical reference if I was smacked in the face with a Beatles hit.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,548

    Gosh, some people are hard to please. Widdecombe was brutally murdered. The police have caught the murderer (presumably) very quickly, and he is now safely locked up. Looks to me like the police have done pretty well.

    Two things can be true at once. The original local Devon plod made a boo boo and collared the wrong person, it happens. Then they compounded that by also making an unwise statement. The bigger boys took over the case, and got an arrest swiftly, good work by them.
    Fair summary.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,096
    edited July 21

    In the US, "soul" has a meaning somewhat different meaning than in the UK. For example, "souls to the polls" means, roughly, that black churches should encourage their members to vote.

    And, of course, there is soul music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music

    I don't suppose there will be any parallel for the first, but I hope that Northern Soul's political success will produce some music worth listening to. Any evidence of that, so far? (If Wikipedia is right, the movement with that name has a way to go.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_soul )

    That's "soul" in US language being an alternative word for "person", is it not? I believe in the case of eg an air emergency, the report would include "6 souls on board" or similar.

    Northern Soul is very much the musical style name, reused.

    I always treated "souls to the polls" as a snappy promotional slogan in the context of a church, though . I'm sure I've seen videos of "get out the vote" where entire congregations go to vote as a parade, because the history is of powerful groups trying to prevent them having a vote and it is something to cherish.

    It's treating the process of voting as performative and celebrational, liturgical, in the way in the UK we perform our constitution at the opening of every session of Parliament.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,422
    edited July 21
    The transfer of power in UK is something to behold.

    Yesterday this would have been Dan Jarvis.

    Today it is Wes Streeting.

    Smooth transfer, not even a momentary pause at a long pre-arranged event.

    Is this - at root - an Oxbridge thing. The new Master of College has been elected and so here we go??


    Wes Streeting
    @wesstreeting

    Maximising our deterrence. Creating good jobs. Pushing the frontier of defence innovation.

    All to make sure that if deterrence fails, we are ready to fight and win.

    Programmes like @GCAP_int demonstrate how we are making that happen with our allies 🇬🇧🇮🇹🇯🇵🇨🇦

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2079620639699206285
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641
    I see under the somewhat weird and unclear 'ministerial rankings', the First Secretary of State outranks all other ministers, including Great Offices, apart from the Chancellor.

    https://members.parliament.uk/government/cabinet

    Hamish Falconer is the bottom of the list, and the Leader of the Lords ranks below the Wales Office (which is below Scotland and Northern Ireland)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,330
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    My favourite MAGA explainer on factions in the Democratic Party

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUorvPu3Wj4

    How well does it mesh with the Nate Silver breakdown of the Democrats?
    Dunno. I will check afterwards. Do you have a link plz?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,240
    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    Burnham’s Britain! Typical! How rubbish! Not even illegal migrants want to live here.
  • Wait, Sarwar's jacking it in already? After just standing at the Holyrood election? Are there enough of them left in SLab for a decent leadership punch up?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,093
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    In the first 3 weeks of July, despite the perfect weather in the Channel, there have been 555 small boat arrivals. In the same 3 weeks last year there were 5454.

    Its a bit early to call the governments policies a success, but a 90% drop from last July is remarkeable.
    I would feel more confident that it wasn't due to random factors if someone could point to a cause for it.

    Otherwise it would just as likely that there would be a lot of catch-up in August.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,174

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747

    Gosh, some people are hard to please. Widdecombe was brutally murdered. The police have caught the murderer (presumably) very quickly, and he is now safely locked up. Looks to me like the police have done pretty well.

    Two things can be true at once. The original local Devon plod made a boo boo and collared the wrong person, it happens. Then they compounded that by also making an unwise statement. The bigger boys took over the case, and got an arrest swiftly, good work by them.
    Have you never seen that documentary from Shipton Abbot called Beyond Paradise? They are useless.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,707

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    del

    Shannon
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,938
    edited July 21
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    There’s a chap on the ’angelogravity.blogspot.com’ blog who periodically dumps links to skipped episodes, totp2, and other miscellanea in the comments.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,619
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    Friday night on BBC4 is TOTP night, with 3-4 old episodes back to back. I think a lot of others are still in existence, just no longer broadcast because of either host or performers.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,716
    edited July 21

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    And Burnham as a trade sector journalist for all of 5 minutes before becoming a researcher for Tessa Jowell. Mahmood specialised in private indemnity law but didn't exactly work for a business or firm.

    Even if majority Oxbridge, 55% of the Cabinet went to one of those elite universities it is also a very state educated Cabinet. 72% of Burnham's Cabinet went to a comprehensive, just 24% a private school. Indeed more were educated in the North of England, 41% than received a private education

    https://www.suttontrust.com/our-research/sutton-trust-cabinet-analysis-2026/
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,451

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    In the first 3 weeks of July, despite the perfect weather in the Channel, there have been 555 small boat arrivals. In the same 3 weeks last year there were 5454.

    Its a bit early to call the governments policies a success, but a 90% drop from last July is remarkeable.
    I would feel more confident that it wasn't due to random factors if someone could point to a cause for it.

    Otherwise it would just as likely that there would be a lot of catch-up in August.
    Partly boring incremental squeezing, but perhaps mostly reductions in the flows into southern Europe during 2024/5.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3mqyomkeqn22t

    (Which I've got a vague recollection of someone- was it @MoonRabbit?- highlighting ages ago.)

    But there's a virtuous circle here- the fewer crossings attempted, the easier it is to stop the attempts and the more sufficient the returns deal becomes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,716

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    She is a Burnham loyalist
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    She is a Burnham loyalist
    He's been in post a day, how many loyalists can there be?

    Strong Burnham supporter perhaps.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    Friday night on BBC4 is TOTP night, with 3-4 old episodes back to back. I think a lot of others are still in existence, just no longer broadcast because of either host or performers.
    Sadly from its start most episodes don’t exist until well into the seventies.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    She is a Burnham loyalist
    Well Boris had to go after a police caution.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,619

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    In the first 3 weeks of July, despite the perfect weather in the Channel, there have been 555 small boat arrivals. In the same 3 weeks last year there were 5454.

    Its a bit early to call the governments policies a success, but a 90% drop from last July is remarkeable.
    I would feel more confident that it wasn't due to random factors if someone could point to a cause for it.

    Otherwise it would just as likely that there would be a lot of catch-up in August.
    Partly boring incremental squeezing, but perhaps mostly reductions in the flows into southern Europe during 2024/5.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3mqyomkeqn22t

    (Which I've got a vague recollection of someone- was it @MoonRabbit?- highlighting ages ago.)

    But there's a virtuous circle here- the fewer crossings attempted, the easier it is to stop the attempts and the more sufficient the returns deal becomes.
    Also speeds up processing time, and reduces need for accommodation.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,174

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    No. It went to court, she was convicted and she got an unconditional discharge IIRC.

    Yes, it was very minor. Yes, technically the conviction is spent.

    But those standing for public office need to be held to a higher standard. A fraud conviction is always a serious matter even a minor one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    The Protectors is even better. Robert Vaughn opens his window out onto a Fiat 850 coupe barrel rolling to Avenues and Alleyways.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892
    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,716

    Kaboom.

    Kemi fans please explain.

    Latest Voting Intention:

    Burnham begins and Labour close gap on Reform

    Con 18% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+8)
    Lib Dem 10% (-2)
    Reform 28% (-)
    SNP 3% (-)
    Plaid 1% (-)
    Green 10% (-3)
    Other 2% (-2)
    Fieldwork: 17-20 July 2026
    (Comparison: 12-15 June)
    Sample: 2,027 GB adults


    https://x.com/deltapolluk/status/2079542421193458131?s=46

    More sensibly re-ordered in descending order:

    Lab 28% (+8)
    Reform 28% (-)
    Con 18% (+1)
    Lib Dem 10% (-2)
    Green 10% (-3)
    SNP 3% (-)
    Other 2% (-2)
    Plaid 1% (-)


    Tories up 1% for Kemi fans on last Deltapoll.

    Clearly though Burnham Labour the biggest winners, mainly squeezing the LDs and Greens. First Deltapoll Reform have not led Labour in since March 2025

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,567
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    You may have stricter standards than government. No quality check for MPs, for a start.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,174

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    She is a Burnham loyalist
    Well Boris had to go after a police caution.
    Wikipedia, with citation, claims she went to a magistrates court and pleaded guilty


    “ The Times newspaper has been told that Haigh's employer, Aviva, launched an investigation after she claimed that company mobile phones had been stolen or gone missing "on repeated occasions", before referring the matter to the police. [65] During the interview with the police, Haigh said that her solicitor had advised her not to comment, and she did not respond to questions about the use of the phone when approached for comment.[66][67] A case file was sent to the Crown Prosecution Service and she was charged with fraud by false representation. Six months before she was elected as an MP at the 2015 general election in November 2014, Haigh pleaded guilty when she appeared at the Camberwell Green magistrates' court, and received a conditional discharge.[68]”
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,716
    In better news for Kemi Yougov today has the Tories up to second, just ahead of Labour. Though like Deltapoll it was taken after Burnham was elected Labour leader but before he became PM

    Reform 23%
    Conservatives 21%
    Labour 20%
    Green 14%
    LD 12%
    Res 3%
    SNP 3%

    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2079484453403980240
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,022
    edited July 21

    Wait, Sarwar's jacking it in already? After just standing at the Holyrood election? Are there enough of them left in SLab for a decent leadership punch up?

    Burnham seems to be quite enjoying rewarding all the people who helped do for Starmer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    The Protectors is even better. Robert Vaughn opens his window out onto a Fiat 850 coupe barrel rolling to Avenues and Alleyways.
    A bridge blowing up, Robert Vaughn cracking eggs and patting a dogs head, Nyree Dawn Porter underwater swimming, Tony Anholt looking suave. With a cracking theme.

    It’s a joy

    But nothing at all tops season 1 of Space 1999’s titles.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    edited July 21

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    Corrected.

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    No. It went to court, she was convicted and she got an unconditional discharge IIRC.

    Yes, it was very minor. Yes, technically the conviction is spent.

    But those standing for public office need to be held to a higher standard. A fraud conviction is always a serious matter even a minor one.
    She wouldn't be in my Cabinet for that, but then Lucy Powell wouldn't be in my Cabinet for being awfully useless and unpleasantly partisan.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,174

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    You may have stricter standards than government. No quality check for MPs, for a start.
    There are some checks for MPs, bankrupts cannot be MPs.

    I get enhanced DBS and credit checks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,355

    Depressing there is so much comment online about Burnham's wife.

    Leave her alone. Her life is going to be hard enough as it is what with the constant threat and 24-hour security all over them and their family.

    To this site's credit, there has been zero comment on her on here.
    The only thing I know about her, which I like, is that Burnham refers to her as MF.
    Mother fucker?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,686

    Kaboom.

    Kemi fans please explain.

    Latest Voting Intention:

    Burnham begins and Labour close gap on Reform

    Con 18% (+1)
    Lab 28% (+8)
    Lib Dem 10% (-2)
    Reform 28% (-)
    SNP 3% (-)
    Plaid 1% (-)
    Green 10% (-3)
    Other 2% (-2)
    Fieldwork: 17-20 July 2026
    (Comparison: 12-15 June)
    Sample: 2,027 GB adults


    https://x.com/deltapolluk/status/2079542421193458131?s=46

    More sensibly re-ordered in descending order:

    Lab 28% (+8)
    Reform 28% (-)
    Con 18% (+1)
    Lib Dem 10% (-2)
    Green 10% (-3)
    SNP 3% (-)
    Other 2% (-2)
    Plaid 1% (-)


    Kemi fans please explain.

    Also those PBers who got excited by 3 polls showing Labour in third place last week explain.
    It’s just one poll!

    Holidaying political blog editors please explain the logic of anyone getting excited by just one poll. 🤷‍♀️

    As political anoraks, we all know what became of the Labour Party yesterday was a disaster.
    If you notice I very rarely do threads on single VI polls (Ipsos is usually the one exception due to the leader ratings).

    I’ve said the polls are worth analysing in October.
    Okay. You just fancied a “please explain Kemi fans” wind up. That’s perfectly fair and understandable. And it worked.

    However, as you mentioned analysis. My header is ready, it’s called “Long Range Insight into Tactical Voting at the next General Election” and I have dropped it in the usual place to you to consider publishing.

    So how do we know this far out from May 3rd 2029 exactly how the tactical voting plays out next time?
    With a meaningful and most serious round up of such analysis - not by me, but from polling firms and psephologists.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,096

    The transfer of power in UK is something to behold.

    Yesterday this would have been Dan Jarvis.

    Today it is Wes Streeting.

    Smooth transfer, not even a momentary pause at a long pre-arranged event.

    Is this - at root - an Oxbridge thing. The new Master of College has been elected and so here we go??


    Wes Streeting
    @wesstreeting

    Maximising our deterrence. Creating good jobs. Pushing the frontier of defence innovation.

    All to make sure that if deterrence fails, we are ready to fight and win.

    Programmes like @GCAP_int demonstrate how we are making that happen with our allies 🇬🇧🇮🇹🇯🇵🇨🇦

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2079620639699206285

    Mr Streeting has a strong hand to negotiate with the new Chancellor !!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,567

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,802

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Bunch of grifters, these clowns get thrashed every time, total failures but get guaranteed place on the gravy train, pathetic.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    Corrected.

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    No. It went to court, she was convicted and she got an unconditional discharge IIRC.

    Yes, it was very minor. Yes, technically the conviction is spent.

    But those standing for public office need to be held to a higher standard. A fraud conviction is always a serious matter even a minor one.
    She wouldn't be in my Cabinet for that, but then Lucy Powell wouldn't be in my Cabinet for being awfully useless and unpleasantly partisan.
    I wonder if champagne corks are popping in the @ydoethur household at her new gig.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    If there had been a POTD (Poster of the Day) prize yesterday you would have won the gold with Urquhart on a commendable silver. You were on fire!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,717

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    No. It went to court, she was convicted and she got an unconditional discharge IIRC.

    Yes, it was very minor. Yes, technically the conviction is spent.

    But those standing for public office need to be held to a higher standard. A fraud conviction is always a serious matter even a minor one.
    In particular the jury in a later trial can normally be told about previous convictions if they involve dishonesty. As opposed to other convictions where relevance must be argued.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,533
    edited July 21

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,802

    Wait, Sarwar's jacking it in already? After just standing at the Holyrood election? Are there enough of them left in SLab for a decent leadership punch up?

    Have not been for years so they just keep scraping the barrel,
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    It's a Telegraph unhinged headline but behind that it is not a good look.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
    He was an absolute genius.

    His theme to Midnight Cowboy is amazing. Just a guy with a harmonica yet soooooo good.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,802
    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    bollox, she should not be near any job with responsibility, totally dodgy
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,451

    Depressing there is so much comment online about Burnham's wife.

    Leave her alone. Her life is going to be hard enough as it is what with the constant threat and 24-hour security all over them and their family.

    To this site's credit, there has been zero comment on her on here.
    The only thing I know about her, which I like, is that Burnham refers to her as MF.
    Mother fucker?
    We just have to listen carefully if Andy B talks of going to see "my MF".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,580
    kle4 said:

    Anyhoo I am delighted so many of you have spotted the subtle music reference in the headline.

    I wouldn't spot a musical reference if I was smacked in the face with a Beatles hit.
    Perhaps if our politicians experienced a day in the life of an ordinary person they'd realise they need a bit of help from the taxman. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries. They have it sussed. Ask a typical Brit if they think the government is on their side and they won't say yes. But a Norwegian would.
  • malcolmg said:

    Wait, Sarwar's jacking it in already? After just standing at the Holyrood election? Are there enough of them left in SLab for a decent leadership punch up?

    Have not been for years so they just keep scraping the barrel,
    The only two Slab MSPs I can name are Jackie Bailie and Paul Sweeney.

    Wikipedia informs me Joe Fagan is an MSP as of the 2026 election, so he should run on the slogan - Scottish Labour - That's Livin Alright.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,955

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    Somehow this makes him, and them, more in touch with the country. :|
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    Corrected.

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    No. It went to court, she was convicted and she got an unconditional discharge IIRC.

    Yes, it was very minor. Yes, technically the conviction is spent.

    But those standing for public office need to be held to a higher standard. A fraud conviction is always a serious matter even a minor one.
    She wouldn't be in my Cabinet for that, but then Lucy Powell wouldn't be in my Cabinet for being awfully useless and unpleasantly partisan.
    I wonder if champagne corks are popping in the @ydoethur household at her new gig.

    @ydoethur wasn't a Phillipson fan, so maybe...

    I think Gove was a favourite.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812
    I’m guessing this was not consumer tested in Scotland !!!!

    https://x.com/symonebeez/status/2079582838714704255?s=61

    https://jobbie.bot/
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,174

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Just ignore me then. That's absolutely fine.

    I have been anti-Labour from my late teens. I first canvassed in 1987. This was influenced by the interruptions to my state education in the 70s and 80s by strikes.

    I have voted Tory and Lib Dem and frequently spoil my ballot when I can't find a candidate to support. I will never consider voting Reform/Restore.

    I will put my hand up to having forgotten about the past Tory Lord Chancellors. But I do believe that the Blair messing with the role was bad for our system and that an experienced lawyer should be in role of Lord Chancellor. By all means separate it from SoS for Justice.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,096
    edited July 21
    That story we talked about here several weeks ago of the legal "Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle" (EAPC) which was taken away then destroyed, and where there were some great comments, has broken through again, and it is linked in with another story of the wheelchair put in the vehicle pound.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyvl7ld06r8o

    They are getting on to the police training issue (in this case they tested it with the motor switched OFF, and just wound it up to an indicated 60kph or whatever with the back wheel off the ground, then confiscated), and the impact on people who use them legally.

    Video of the police test:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc5lutTqfVE

    It will come back again when they notice the legal action, or a settlement of it.

    There was a big piece in Road.cc (who are a good route to wider attention) under their E-Bike Tips stream, which may have been it:
    https://road.cc/ebiketips/news/police-seize-and-destroy-delivery-cyclists-legal-e-bike
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,044
    Drapatyi replaces Syrsky, per a Ukrainian government source.
    https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/2079652890071777643
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,174

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    If there had been a POTD (Poster of the Day) prize yesterday you would have won the gold with Urquhart on a commendable silver. You were on fire!
    I do love tracking the formation of new ministries and subsequent reshuffles.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812
    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641
    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Pragmatically it makes little difference to what happens to Iran, whilst avoiding more immediate tantrums from the White House.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,533
    Nigelb said:

    Drapatyi replaces Syrsky, per a Ukrainian government source.
    https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/2079652890071777643

    So is Fedorov coming back?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
    He was an absolute genius.

    His theme to Midnight Cowboy is amazing. Just a guy with a harmonica yet soooooo good.
    I read John (Nigel) Taylor's autobiography. For you it is worth a read, he discusses the benefits of the Midland Red bus from Alcester via Hollywood into Birmingham, as opposed to a WMPTE bus from the Maypole. Gay Hill Golf Club gets an interesting name check too. He writes about difficulties John Barry had over the score for A View to a Kill with Nick Rhodes. I knew Nick Rhodes (as Nicholas Bates) very, very well at Woodrush. He was an over confident arse at school, so to learn he was telling John Barry how to do his job came as no surprise.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,686

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,335
    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,619

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Not neccesarily barred, but should show on a DRB. It is possible to employ them eyes open.

    I once hired a manager with a 1 year suspended sentence for causing death by dangerous driving. She was very good in her role, and ever so grateful for the opportunity to restart her career.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,451
    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Of course, because the geopolitical constraints are the same as they were last week. The more interesting question is to what extent he will get away with it.

    My guess is "rather more than Starmer." That's politics.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
    He was an absolute genius.

    His theme to Midnight Cowboy is amazing. Just a guy with a harmonica yet soooooo good.
    I read John (Nigel) Taylor's autobiography. For you it is worth a read, he discusses the benefits of the Midland Red bus from Alcester via Hollywood into Birmingham, as opposed to a WMPTE bus from the Maypole. Gay Hill Golf Club gets an interesting name check too. He writes about difficulties John Barry had over the score for A View to a Kill with Nick Rhodes. I knew Nick Rhodes (as Nicholas Bates) very, very well at Woodrush. He was an over confident arse at school, so to learn he was telling John Barry how to do his job came as no surprise.
    Thanks. I will have to look it up. See if it is on audible.

    Didn’t realise there was such a Midlands connection.

    That story reminds me of the time a newcomer actor playing a companion in Dr Who gave advice to Richard Todd on how to act !!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,533

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
    It does however show a disregard for honesty.

    Maybe I'm unusual but I wouldn't get past my conscience on that one.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,747
    edited July 21

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,228
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    Corrected.

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    No. It went to court, she was convicted and she got an unconditional discharge IIRC.

    Yes, it was very minor. Yes, technically the conviction is spent.

    But those standing for public office need to be held to a higher standard. A fraud conviction is always a serious matter even a minor one.
    She wouldn't be in my Cabinet for that, but then Lucy Powell wouldn't be in my Cabinet for being awfully useless and unpleasantly partisan.
    I wonder if champagne corks are popping in the @ydoethur household at her new gig.

    I refer the hon poster to the comment I made on a previous thread:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5607578
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,335
    Ukraine-Russia war latest: Moscow strikes gas tanker off coast of Romania as Putin steps up attacks on shipping
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-live-putin-zelensky-moscow-drone-attack-b3018561.html

    Between the Americans, Iranians, Russians and Ukrainians, there soon won't be any tankers left. (Sorry for the sing-song nature of that sentence but I can't be bothered to recast it.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,619

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,812

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
    My old boss started at 1, he wanted a colour blackberry and his was an old black and white one.

    They said no.

    By some unhappy coincidence a couple of weeks later the screen was cracked by accident rendering it unusable.

    He got his colour blackberry.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,892
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Not neccesarily barred, but should show on a DRB. It is possible to employ them eyes open.

    I once hired a manager with a 1 year suspended sentence for causing death by dangerous driving. She was very good in her role, and ever so grateful for the opportunity to restart her career.

    I too employ people with spent criminal records, they're not all recidivists, as I noted yesterday I was saddened by the resignation of James Timpson as Prisons Minister.

    This is purely politics, Nigel Farage is in a lot of trouble for his involvement with a convicted fraudster, he can use Louise Haigh to blunt those attacks.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,096

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    In the first 3 weeks of July, despite the perfect weather in the Channel, there have been 555 small boat arrivals. In the same 3 weeks last year there were 5454.

    Its a bit early to call the governments policies a success, but a 90% drop from last July is remarkeable.
    I would feel more confident that it wasn't due to random factors if someone could point to a cause for it.

    Otherwise it would just as likely that there would be a lot of catch-up in August.
    I think we have extra French police on the beaches, and also a couple of major crime figures may have been caught.

    But I'm not over the detail.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,355
    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    That means there will be a massive surge of 1,000+ in a day the next time conditions are optimal.
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