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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,720

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Regular reminder that pensions are the biggest part of the benefits bill.
    Naughty! That isn't what she has in mind.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,606
    geoffw said:

    In Russian War News, the Russian Ministry of Finance has announced an indefinite pause in government bond sales. This is a bit of an issue because Russia is running a large and growing budget deficit and has bonds maturing that need to be repaid.

    The main options would appear to be having the central bank print money, seizing bank deposits, or going cap in hand to the Chinese.

    This feels big. They could of course default on the repayments, or get bondholders to take a haircut ...

    The price of defaulting on the bond markets is high, especially when you are trying to fund a war. Not sure that is a sustainable position.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    Taz said:

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
    A town called Golden in Colorado. I decided to give the opportunity of a tour a miss. I don't think I could stomach the shitty beer.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051

    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
    Oh-oh. Let's hope they can show themselves to be well outside the loop.
    It supports the theory Burnham originally intended Chancellorship for Mahmood and changed his mind.

    Regardless Burnham now has a big Mahmood problem. She was partly responsible for bringing down Starmer with a bungled and highly unpopular in Labour circles immigration policy (and ironically thereby eased Burnham towards being Starmer's replacement).

    Moving Mahmood would have given Burnham the opportunity to reset the policy - not necessarily abandon it, but take out some of the more egregious proposals and repackage it in a form more acceptable to Labour MPs, members and potential voters. But now he's stuck with Mahmood who has toxified the policy and shows no signs of budging an inch on it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    Lot of journos saying Healey is "surprise" pick.

    Not a surprise. He was always i think in the top four or five who could get it.

    I was on at 12/1 which is hardly "surprise" level betting imho

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    Lot of journos saying Healey is "surprise" pick.

    Not a surprise. He was always i think in the top four or five who could get it.

    I was on at 12/1 which is hardly "surprise" level betting imho

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,626
    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Or Ange?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,780
    Burnham has lost Owen Jones


    “ Appointing John Healey as Chancellor is a big red flag.

    There's no evidence he supports any sort of transformative economic agenda.

    He does support hiking diverting money from the NHS, education and frontline services in favour of bombs, though!”


    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2079255578455535904?s=61
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20

    Lot of journos saying Healey is "surprise" pick.

    Not a surprise. He was always i think in the top four or five who could get it.

    I was on at 12/1 which is hardly "surprise" level betting imho

    I think people also forget he was in the treasury for nearly 5 years I think under Gordo. Now if you think that is a good thing or not is a different matter.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    Straight out of the traps:

    Will this Healey face the same fate as Denis?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/20/will-this-healey-face-the-same-fate-as-denis/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,626

    Taz said:

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
    A town called Golden in Colorado. I decided to give the opportunity of a tour a miss. I don't think I could stomach the shitty beer.
    Not a million miles from Colorado Railroad Musee, which I visited in 2011.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Regular reminder that pensions are the biggest part of the benefits bill.
    And the tories are going to get the blame for it...

    That's not very clever by Kemi...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412

    George Eaton
    @georgeeaton
    ·
    49m
    Funding defence, social care reform and cost of living action while also keeping the fiscal rules and triple lock = major tax rises.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,555

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Or Ange?
    Ange has been seen in no 10
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    rcs1000 said:

    biggles said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).

    I shall now solidly patronise Hawksmoor and avoid Gaucho.
    To be fair, Gaucho has *really* gone off the boil. Fifteen years ago it was great. Ten years ago it was decent. Now it is pretty poor.
    To be honest, for steak, I have actually changed my model to buying really, really good steaks and a decent bottle of red, and cooking them myself. Let restaurants do the complex things that need a lot of time and washing up.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,854
    Taz said:

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
    Madrid?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    Taz said:

    Burnham has lost Owen Jones


    “ Appointing John Healey as Chancellor is a big red flag.

    There's no evidence he supports any sort of transformative economic agenda.

    He does support hiking diverting money from the NHS, education and frontline services in favour of bombs, though!”


    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2079255578455535904?s=61

    Labour lost Owen Jones when they got rid of Jezza. I am not sure even the Meanie Greenies are revoluiontary enough for him these days.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,780

    Taz said:

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
    A town called Golden in Colorado. I decided to give the opportunity of a tour a miss. I don't think I could stomach the shitty beer.
    I’m not the sort of person who’s been to Elevenerife or the Seventeen chapel but I’ve actually been there, had the tour, and tasted some beers. Many years ago a mate got married to a lovely American lady out in Denver. Three of us went out for the wedding and we did a tour. Went there, an open air theatre and somewhere else

    The tour was more impressive than the one at the Black Sheep brewery I did.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,564

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Or Ange?
    Ange is in No 10 .

    Can I be a bit cruel . Can someone employ Melania Trumps fashion adviser to give some tips because I’ve seen some pretty horrid outfits so far. Lucy Powell , dear me !
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,780

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Or Ange?
    lol

    She’s been pictured walking into Downing Street this evening.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,025
    A redundant section of text for PBers, probably.

    "Who is Ed Miliband?"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgrkv8e8l9qt
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
    A town called Golden in Colorado. I decided to give the opportunity of a tour a miss. I don't think I could stomach the shitty beer.
    I’m not the sort of person who’s been to Elevenerife or the Seventeen chapel but I’ve actually been there, had the tour, and tasted some beers. Many years ago a mate got married to a lovely American lady out in Denver. Three of us went out for the wedding and we did a tour. Went there, an open air theatre and somewhere else

    The tour was more impressive than the one at the Black Sheep brewery I did.
    Red Rock Amphitheatre.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051

    Straight out of the traps:

    Will this Healey face the same fate as Denis?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/20/will-this-healey-face-the-same-fate-as-denis/

    Please let this be "Call the IMF" on my "Burnham will be a disaster" bingo card...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,761
    Yvette Cooper at health
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,999
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Or Ange?
    Ange is in No 10 .

    Can I be a bit cruel . Can someone employ Melania Trumps fashion adviser to give some tips because I’ve seen some pretty horrid outfits so far. Lucy Powell , dear me !
    Quite
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,159
    Healey is one of the oldest first time Chancellors

    I think only Gladstone was older when he first appointed
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,780

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
    A town called Golden in Colorado. I decided to give the opportunity of a tour a miss. I don't think I could stomach the shitty beer.
    I’m not the sort of person who’s been to Elevenerife or the Seventeen chapel but I’ve actually been there, had the tour, and tasted some beers. Many years ago a mate got married to a lovely American lady out in Denver. Three of us went out for the wedding and we did a tour. Went there, an open air theatre and somewhere else

    The tour was more impressive than the one at the Black Sheep brewery I did.
    Red Rock Amphitheatre.
    I remember they had plaque up for all the bands that has played and I’d heard of about half of them

    Including Pink Floyd.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,981
    edited July 20
    Not only did our new PM go to a comp he sent all three of his children to one too.
    St Edmund Arrowsmith, Ashton-in-Makerfield.

    Hideous green uniforms.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,720

    Yvette Cooper at health

    No job for Wesley Tight-Trousers?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,409
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
    Oh-oh. Let's hope they can show themselves to be well outside the loop.
    It supports the theory Burnham originally intended Chancellorship for Mahmood and changed his mind.

    Regardless Burnham now has a big Mahmood problem. She was partly responsible for bringing down Starmer with a bungled and highly unpopular in Labour circles immigration policy (and ironically thereby eased Burnham towards being Starmer's replacement).

    Moving Mahmood would have given Burnham the opportunity to reset the policy - not necessarily abandon it, but take out some of the more egregious proposals and repackage it in a form more acceptable to Labour MPs, members and potential voters. But now he's stuck with Mahmood who has toxified the policy and shows no signs of budging an inch on it.
    I think they've been floating changing the most egregious aspects of citizenship pathway that would have applied to people already here, moving the goalposts etc... they can still become citizens on previous timelines but have to wait longer for benefits was my understanding...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,025
    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,364

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Regular reminder that pensions are the biggest part of the benefits bill.
    Naughty! That isn't what she has in mind.
    Just checked and contrary to the pb / national received wisdom, pension spend is actually really low compared to other European nations !
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,307
    rcs1000 said:

    biggles said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).

    I shall now solidly patronise Hawksmoor and avoid Gaucho.
    To be fair, Gaucho has *really* gone off the boil. Fifteen years ago it was great. Ten years ago it was decent. Now it is pretty poor.
    And now the quality is nowhere near good enough to justify the price.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,409

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
    Country before party 🥳
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511

    Yvette Cooper at health

    No job for Wesley Tight-Trousers?
    If so he has been done up like a kipper. I thought the whole thing of him not challenging Burnham and causing awkward leadership contest we he was going to get a prime job.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,307

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    We drink a lot of beer.
    Amusingly, Carling Black Label has actually returned to the UK market this year.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,194
    Pulpstar said:

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Regular reminder that pensions are the biggest part of the benefits bill.
    Naughty! That isn't what she has in mind.
    Just checked and contrary to the pb / national received wisdom, pension spend is actually really low compared to other European nations !
    The trick will be keeping it that way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    We drink a lot of beer.
    Amusingly, Carling Black Label has actually returned to the UK market this year.
    Who the bloody hell is buying it?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,307
    FF43 said:

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    Chagos with Miliband

    Very good.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,409
    Glad to see a chancellor with Treasury experience.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 8,033
    McFadden stays at DWP
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,159

    Yvette Cooper at health

    No job for Wesley Tight-Trousers?
    If so he has been done up like a kipper. I thought the whole thing of him not challenging Burnham and causing awkward leadership contest we he was going to get a prime job.
    He still might get a decent role. There are lots of them still to fill.

    Would we be here at this time if he hadn't been the first to resign?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927
    Taz said:

    Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    No terrorist charges yet. Obviously hadn't got an I support Palestine Action t shirt in his closet...
    Talking of which

    UK police find no evidence of terror offence over the Islamic shindig

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-find-no-evidence-terror-offence-islamic-event-threat-probe-2026-07-18/
    That's a deeply weird story. One wonders if more will come out.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,999

    Straight out of the traps:

    Will this Healey face the same fate as Denis?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/20/will-this-healey-face-the-same-fate-as-denis/

    Cap in hand to the IMF very soon . Bond rates over 5%
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,598
    edited July 20

    People who drink Madri, worse than those that like Pineapple on pizza...discuss....

    It is a perfectly passable mainstream lager, acceptable in emergency situations on a hot day.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685
    DavidL said:

    geoffw said:

    In Russian War News, the Russian Ministry of Finance has announced an indefinite pause in government bond sales. This is a bit of an issue because Russia is running a large and growing budget deficit and has bonds maturing that need to be repaid.

    The main options would appear to be having the central bank print money, seizing bank deposits, or going cap in hand to the Chinese.

    This feels big. They could of course default on the repayments, or get bondholders to take a haircut ...

    The price of defaulting on the bond markets is high, especially when you are trying to fund a war. Not sure that is a sustainable position.
    Indeed there's a tongue-in-cheek in my comment.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    Foxy said:

    People who drink Madri, worse than those that like Pineapple on pizza...discuss....

    It is a perfectly passable mainstream lager, acceptable in emergencuy situations on a hot day.
    For putting out a wild fire you mean?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,689
    Yvette Cooper new Health Secretary
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,938
    edited July 20

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Regular reminder that pensions are the biggest part of the benefits bill.
    Naughty! That isn't what she has in mind.
    I bet it is. Badenoch couldn’t get a bigger win this year if Burnham had to do what was needed and then ate all of the flack for it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    HYUFD said:

    Yvette Cooper new Health Secretary

    Given Health and NHS is essential to re-election that is not a bad swap for her. Comes home from foreign climes and will be on TV a lot more
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,598
    biggles said:

    Foxy said:

    People who drink Madri, worse than those that like Pineapple on pizza...discuss....

    It is a perfectly passable mainstream lager, acceptable in emergencuy situations on a hot day.
    For putting out a wild fire you mean?
    Having filtered it through the kidneys...
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,780
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Or Ange?
    Ange is in No 10 .

    Can I be a bit cruel . Can someone employ Melania Trumps fashion adviser to give some tips because I’ve seen some pretty horrid outfits so far. Lucy Powell , dear me !
    I don’t have the same sartorial elegance as TSE so offer no critique but the new First Lady’s dress for her visit to Chaz came from Victoria Beckham, no less.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,689
    'A very good first discussion with
    @andyburnham
    .

    We are both committed to bringing the EU and the UK closer and closer.

    Together, we will work towards a successful Summit that delivers for our businesses, our young people and our shared security.

    And we will continue our excellent cooperation in support of Ukraine.

    Europe is stronger when the EU and the UK work side by side'

    https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/2079241257914671337?s=20
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    That was Taz's joke which I think everyone else already got.

    We've discussed how fake Madri is mulitple times on here.
    Ah fair point - my bad.
    I'm amazed no one has gone after it for cultural appropriation. After the UEA students tried to close a mexican themed restaurant on those grounds.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051
    .
    rkrkrk said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
    Oh-oh. Let's hope they can show themselves to be well outside the loop.
    It supports the theory Burnham originally intended Chancellorship for Mahmood and changed his mind.

    Regardless Burnham now has a big Mahmood problem. She was partly responsible for bringing down Starmer with a bungled and highly unpopular in Labour circles immigration policy (and ironically thereby eased Burnham towards being Starmer's replacement).

    Moving Mahmood would have given Burnham the opportunity to reset the policy - not necessarily abandon it, but take out some of the more egregious proposals and repackage it in a form more acceptable to Labour MPs, members and potential voters. But now he's stuck with Mahmood who has toxified the policy and shows no signs of budging an inch on it.
    I think they've been floating changing the most egregious aspects of citizenship pathway that would have applied to people already here, moving the goalposts etc... they can still become citizens on previous timelines but have to wait longer for benefits was my understanding...
    I don't think those suggestions are coming from Mahmood though, and even if Burnham forces through a watering down it's difficult for Mahmood to sell a policy she's so closely associated with to people who despise both her and the original policy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,780

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    We drink a lot of beer.
    Amusingly, Carling Black Label has actually returned to the UK market this year.
    Never realised it had left.

    Mind you I’ve not drunk it for many years.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    Pat's thong continues to sort out disaster that is DWP
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,299

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
    Leading the party put Ed off leading the party. Jeremy Hunt said in many ways Foreign Secretary is the most enjoyable job – first class flights to five star accommodation and sumptuous banquets. The Leon of the Cabinet.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,485
    dixiedean said:

    Yvette Cooper at health

    No job for Wesley Tight-Trousers?
    If so he has been done up like a kipper. I thought the whole thing of him not challenging Burnham and causing awkward leadership contest we he was going to get a prime job.
    The whole thing about him not challenging Burnham was about Wes not having anywhere close to 81 backers.
    ... even if it had reached the members stage,
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    Foxy said:

    People who drink Madri, worse than those that like Pineapple on pizza...discuss....

    It is a perfectly passable mainstream lager, acceptable in emergency situations on a hot day.
    Luckily pubs are much better these days and have far better offerings. Although rather sadly the enshitification cycle continues where a brewery puts out some decent stuff, gets a bit bigger, bought by a InBev, Coors or Heineken, cost engineered and production ramped up so it is everywhere and ultimately ruined.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051

    Straight out of the traps:

    Will this Healey face the same fate as Denis?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/20/will-this-healey-face-the-same-fate-as-denis/

    Cap in hand to the IMF very soon . Bond rates over 5%
    Bingo!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,081
    DavidL said:

    geoffw said:

    In Russian War News, the Russian Ministry of Finance has announced an indefinite pause in government bond sales. This is a bit of an issue because Russia is running a large and growing budget deficit and has bonds maturing that need to be repaid.

    The main options would appear to be having the central bank print money, seizing bank deposits, or going cap in hand to the Chinese.

    This feels big. They could of course default on the repayments, or get bondholders to take a haircut ...

    The price of defaulting on the bond markets is high, especially when you are trying to fund a war. Not sure that is a sustainable position.
    It is, but saving themselves the money they're currently spending on debt interest would be a bonus. Though at the expense of most of the Russian banking industry.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
    Leading the party put Ed off leading the party. Jeremy Hunt said in many ways Foreign Secretary is the most enjoyable job – first class flights to five star accommodation and sumptuous banquets. The Leon of the Cabinet.
    Where do I sign up. I would even do it without a £5 million bung.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,981

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
    Leading the party put Ed off leading the party. Jeremy Hunt said in many ways Foreign Secretary is the most enjoyable job – first class flights to five star accommodation and sumptuous banquets. The Leon of the Cabinet.
    Not abusing foreigners part of the job, mind.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,485
    It looks eerily like one of the hairy bikers murdered Anne Widdecombe.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,084
    edited July 20
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Hmmm, voluntary aided and catholic doesn’t sound very open to the riff raff.

    You obviously don't know the North West.
    He is the only alumni listed on his school’s wiki page. That’s actually quite sad. In all seriousness, it’s better that Labour has a genuinely northern leader than one of the mediocre women they could have had (Cooper not an option apparently).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,626
    dixiedean said:

    Not only did our new PM go to a comp he sent all three of his children to one too.
    St Edmund Arrowsmith, Ashton-in-Makerfield.

    Hideous green uniforms.

    We had hideous maroony uniforms.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,218
    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    For once he didn’t come in handy.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,299

    It looks eerily like one of the hairy bikers murdered Anne Widdecombe.

    A reminder not to trust eye witness testimony.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    dixiedean said:

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
    Leading the party put Ed off leading the party. Jeremy Hunt said in many ways Foreign Secretary is the most enjoyable job – first class flights to five star accommodation and sumptuous banquets. The Leon of the Cabinet.
    Not abusing foreigners part of the job, mind.
    "YOU ARE ALL BURNING THE PLANET!"

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511

    It looks eerily like one of the hairy bikers murdered Anne Widdecombe.

    We are talking about beer, he definitely looks the sort that gets exercised about real ale.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,981
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Hmmm, voluntary aided and catholic doesn’t sound very open to the riff raff.

    You obviously don't know the North West.
    He is the only alumni listed on his school’s wiki page. That’s actually quite sad. In all seriousness, it’s better that Labour has a genuinely northern leader than one of the mediocre women they could have had (Cooper not an option apparently).
    If you have to have only one then a PM isn't a bad one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,598

    It looks eerily like one of the hairy bikers murdered Anne Widdecombe.

    Its an old photo. He is a slaphead now.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,444
    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    Lets hope Ed doesn't cause Global Thermonuclear War like his brother nearly did in the same role and they had to send Petie to calm everybody down.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,162

    dixiedean said:

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
    Leading the party put Ed off leading the party. Jeremy Hunt said in many ways Foreign Secretary is the most enjoyable job – first class flights to five star accommodation and sumptuous banquets. The Leon of the Cabinet.
    Not abusing foreigners part of the job, mind.
    "YOU ARE ALL BURNING THE PLANET!"

    He'll have to have a good supply of carbon credits to do the job...
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 862
    Who do we think for Energy- could Nandy get this?

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    dixiedean said:

    Yvette Cooper at health

    No job for Wesley Tight-Trousers?
    If so he has been done up like a kipper. I thought the whole thing of him not challenging Burnham and causing awkward leadership contest we he was going to get a prime job.
    The whole thing about him not challenging Burnham was about Wes not having anywhere close to 81 backers.
    He came for the King. He missed.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,689
    Thank goodness he never became PM 'Every pound that is spent on “defence” is a pound not spent on social housing, education or our NHS.'

    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/2079262134282633401?s=20
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,299
    So we have yet to hear of Angela Rayner, Wes Streeting, or Education. Nothing for the 2024 intake although junior posts will presumably be announced tomorrow – Miatta Fahnbulleh (Oxford PPE & LSE PhD) is tipped for big things.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,485
    biggles said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
    Merge NIC and Income Tax and a basic rate cut would absolutely be affordable.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,084
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Hmmm, voluntary aided and catholic doesn’t sound very open to the riff raff.

    You obviously don't know the North West.
    He is the only alumni listed on his school’s wiki page. That’s actually quite sad. In all seriousness, it’s better that Labour has a genuinely northern leader than one of the mediocre women they could have had (Cooper not an option apparently).
    If you have to have only one then a PM isn't a bad one.
    My comp has a Dr Who, an Archbishop of Canterbury and an architect of New Labour.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,638
    HYUFD said:

    Thank goodness he never became PM 'Every pound that is spent on “defence” is a pound not spent on social housing, education or our NHS.'

    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/2079262134282633401?s=20

    How dare money ever be spent on other things!
  • So we have yet to hear of Angela Rayner, Wes Streeting, or Education. Nothing for the 2024 intake although junior posts will presumably be announced tomorrow – Miatta Fahnbulleh (Oxford PPE & LSE PhD) is tipped for big things.

    Rayner back to Housing, I'd assume. Phillipson to stay at Education?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    Who will be DPM?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,412
    Who will be DPM?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,025

    Who will be DPM?

    There doesn't need to be one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,638
    Andy_JS said:

    A redundant section of text for PBers, probably.

    "Who is Ed Miliband?"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgrkv8e8l9qt

    Would have preferred "Who is Ed Miliband? And is he tough enough [for the job]?"
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311

    Who will be DPM?

    Isn't it Louise?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,159

    Who will be DPM?

    Haigh is essentially taking that role as First Secretary of State
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,981
    Incidentally, Burnham's kids school has five wiki alumni. A Corrie actress, a Gladiator and three rugby league players.
    Not sure that beats a PM
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,084

    Who will be DPM?

    It’s Super Lou.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,092
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    Leaving aside that no one knows what an Ebike is, do you mean on the 250W / power at 15mph+ ones?

    These are mopeds or motorcycles so already have VED on them. It is a matter of enforcement, as it has been since 1982.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,638
    Andy_JS said:

    Who will be DPM?

    There doesn't need to be one.
    My favourite situation was when Dominic Raab was First Secretary of State (not Deputy PM) and Foreign Secretary, and had deputised for Boris, but only later became Deputy PM and Justice Secretary instead - so kind of a sideways but slightly downwards move.

    Quite a few people thought no change when he became Deputy PM, but technically there had been.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,638
    GIN1138 said:

    Who will be DPM?

    Isn't it Louise?
    No, but kind of.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311
    DoctorG said:

    Who do we think for Energy- could Nandy get this?

    He could reach across the political divide and appoint the spirit of Nigel Lawson? 😂
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,638
    edited July 20
    I find it charmingly British that we have a First Secretary of State and Deputy PM positions which can mean basically the same thing but not always, and on occasion both have existed, and sometimes neither.
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