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The latest Clacton by-election betting, Farage remains the overwhelming favourite

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  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,313
    Foss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Today's bit of US extortion under Trump.

    US seeks share of Korean chipmakers' 'excess profits': source
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/business/tech-science/20260716/us-seeks-share-of-korean-chipmakers-excess-profits-source


    Eh, the Korean chip manufacturers have a history of anti-competitive, cartel-like behaviour over NAND and Ram prices. At some point I expect the EU will also get interested - as they did last time.
    Its a free market, why not buy from a European chip manufacturer then if there's such excess profits? 🤔
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,560

    If England HAD won the World Cup, we'd be like the dog that catches the car. We wouldn't know what to do.

    Other than set the clock for when we could start despairing about how long since we last won it... It is part of our national psyche. We are not winners.

    Not winners?

    The nation of Drake, Nelson, Wellington, Clive, Rhodes, Churchill - not winners?

    When did that start?
    1967...
    As usual it was Harold Wilson's fault.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,842
    Fishing said:

    I think the decision by the main parties, or at least one of them, not to contest the by-election was, on balance wrong and bad for democracy.

    I know the by-election is a bizarre publicity stunt, but voters in a parliamentary democracy under the adversarial should be given a serious choice at each election, otherwise you're effectively disenfranchising them.

    So I think there should have been at least one serious, non-Reform candidate.

    Don't agree. You are not disenfranchising them; they elected an MP for a term until the next GE. To play along with stunts invites attention seekers and narcissist MPs to play games. The best plan with attention seekers is to pay no attention to them.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,805

    Fishing said:

    I think the decision by the main parties, or at least one of them, not to contest the by-election was, on balance wrong and bad for democracy.

    I know the by-election is a bizarre publicity stunt, but voters in a parliamentary democracy under the adversarial should be given a serious choice at each election, otherwise you're effectively disenfranchising them.

    So I think there should have been at least one serious, non-Reform candidate.

    Unless I'm mistaken, there are currently 13 candidates in the by-election. And excepting 2, Count Binface and Mr. Fishfinger; to just tar the other 10 (not counting Farage) with the same 'they're not serious' brush is a little unkind. What do we know about the others? If they're serious, they're serious and just because they don't have 'Liberal Democrat' or 'Labour' after their name doesn't mean they might not support these parties should they get elected or that they don't have serious ideas.

    I got five candidates to pick from last time, and it wasn't all that long ago when I would've only got two.
    Indeed: this is actually an incredible opportunity for a Claire Wright type candidate to gain a foothold.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,574

    AnneJGP said:

    Is Mr Farage basically the only serious candidate?

    No. I mean, we're not certain who is standing yet, but some of the people saying they'll stand are serious, or as serious as fringe parties get. For example, Rejoin EU are standing John Stevens, formerly a Tory MEP for a decade. He managed 4th with 3.8% in the 1999 Kensington & Chelsea by-election won by Portillo, then standing for the Pro-Euro Conservative Party. In the 2010 general election, he stood against the Speaker and got 21.4% for the Buckinghamshire Campaign for Democracy, notably beating Nigel Farage, who came third on 17.4% for UKIP. He most recently stood in the Runcorn by-election won by Sarah Pochin, getting a mere 0.4%, coming 10th. Oxford educated lawyer.
    LOL

    The FBPE party in Clacton
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,169
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Today's bit of US extortion under Trump.

    US seeks share of Korean chipmakers' 'excess profits': source
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/business/tech-science/20260716/us-seeks-share-of-korean-chipmakers-excess-profits-source


    ‘Excess profits’ is more a left wing trope than a right wing trope. Sort of crap Corbyn would come out with.

    There’s always a shakedown.
    Up to a point but excess profit is also a sign of competition failure which would be of concern to right wing free marketeers.

    But this is Trump so will be a shakedown.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,243
    edited 9:28AM
    murali_s said:

    On topic: is it possible that the betting is undercalling the Bin? In a battle between a bin and a fascist, you would hope that the bin is well ahead? I know it’s Clacton but still.,,

    Farage got 46% on a 58% turnout in the last GE.

    I would expect the majority of Farage stalwarts to turn out again but a significant number might not bother in light of the £5 million "gift" and the other financial scandals coming to light.

    Therefore, turnout is going to be determined largely by the 54% of anti-Farage GE voters. Will they come out to vote for Binface or just not bother and stay at home?

    Which would suit Farage better - winning 80% of the vote on a 20% turnout or 40% on a 40% turnout?

    The Farage PR team will focus entirely on the percentage of the vote he gets and ignore the turnout so anti-Farage voters would be best advised to go and register a vote against one of the other joke candidates in order to depress Farage's winning margin,



  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,038
    England subs should have been:

    Saka for Rogers (or Bellingham - Rogers might have offered more of an outball)
    Rashford for Gordon
    Mainoo for Rice
    Konsa for James
    Toney for Kane
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,169
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    As the grim reality of having to watch the "Bronze Final" on Saturday night sinks in and dreams of Bank Holidays and Sir Harry Kane holding the Jules Rimet aloft as the victory parade makes its way slowly down the Mall to the Palace recede into fevered fantasy, we have the usual search for a scapegoat.

    Thomas Tuchel is clearly the man picked to carry the weight of our unfulfilled expectations into the wilderness - I mean, we could have had a dodgy VAR decision or a missed penalty or a sending off but this way our "brave lads" can head with reputations unsullied toward the next great disappointment at Euro 28.

    That's how it is - always look for someone else to carry the can when we fail rather than ask the searching questions, the difficult questions.

    The really hard one being... What if this is as good as we are, roughly as good as we have any right to be? The higher you climb, the harder it gets to find more improvements.

    This might be a more generally-applicable principle.
    I think everyone in their life faces those uncomfortable moments when the extent of limitations becomes evident. I've never run a marathon or climbed a mountain or cycled 200 miles like some of the Adonii (or Adonises, there will inevitably be some classically educated halfwit on in a second to correct me) on here claim.

    I do have the body of a Greek God - just not one of the better known ones.

    As a society, too, we should ask - is this as good as we can be? That then reflects down to different levels - some see it in terms of prosperity, material and personal self-advancement, others at a more communal level - what can we do to make the lives of others better? Some look even further and talk about setting a global example for decency, morality, sustainability etc, etc.

    I suppose it depends on where your boundaries sit - is it just you and your family that matter or does the rest of the country and the world count as well?
    Its really, really hard to win the football world cup. Only seven nations have EVER done it. We have reached the exact point in our world rankings. The disappointment many feel today is that for 55 minutes we played the right game against the reigning world champions. We got our noses in front. And then it looks like we decided we ought to just defend for the next 45 minutes (there was always going to be 9 or 10 mins of 'injury' time).

    And we can never know what would have happened if we had kept trying to have pace up front, leaving two quick players up the field to run into the channels, rather than the stupid sight of Harry Kane defending on the 18 yard line. But it would have been nice to have tried.

    And you know it still might have failed.

    As a football nation we are very, very good and in the last 8 years we have done well at qualifying (I remember when England failed to qualify - its never a given) and going deep in tournaments (as recently as 2014 we went out in the group stage). But hand on heart we are not the best team in the world.

    When the England Mens rugby team won in 2003 they were the best in the world. They had probably peaked a year early and were on the way down, but they were still the best. South Africa are now the best in the world and have won the last two world cups to prove it.

    So a disappointing day for sure, but there is hope for the future. Bellingham looks to be a generational talent with so much more to come. We need to replace Kane and surely could do with some defensive solidity. And ultimately a better mindset when going 1-0 in semi finals and finals.
    My big concern for England is that I can’t think of a young English striker tearing it up at top level who will be seasoned enough to replace Kane.
    Yes and no. I think Kane's brilliance has meant limited opportunities for others in an England shirt. And I know you are talking about Prem etc. I think teams to an extent play to the striker. How does Kane score goals? That may be different for other players.
    I think there is an over reliance on the striker for goals. It works against weaker teams, but much less well against the stronger ones. Look at the way we nullified Haaland, and Spain did with Mbappe. There needs to be multiple goal threats in a team.
    Trouble is that if we have midfielders shooting from outside the box à la Gerrard and (more successfully) Lampard, it can make it harder for the striker to get the ball where goals are more likely. Remember Wayne Rooney often had to drop back in search of the ball too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,805
    Foss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Today's bit of US extortion under Trump.

    US seeks share of Korean chipmakers' 'excess profits': source
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/business/tech-science/20260716/us-seeks-share-of-korean-chipmakers-excess-profits-source


    Eh, the Korean chip manufacturers have a history of anti-competitive, cartel-like behaviour over NAND and Ram prices. At some point I expect the EU will also get interested - as they did last time.
    The memory business has not been one that has -historically- made its cost of capital. Sure, there are years when they make mega profits. But there are also years when they get massacred. That is the nature of a highly capital intensive, commodity, industry with very long lead times between investment and production.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,536
    carnforth said:

    OT Christopher Nolan's The Oddessy is the best film since Paddington 2 according to all the papers.

    No spoilers please.
    Suspect what will spoil it is the 2h52 runtime.
    Oppenheimer was of similar length, though occasionally Florence Pugh would take her clothes off to maintain one's interest.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007
    The BBC currently list 12 candidates as intending to stand in the Clacton by-election. Wikipedia also lists 12 - but they're a different twelve!

    Wikipedia still list Luke Worley, the former Married at First Sight participant, as a declared candidate, but he's not on the BBC's list, so perhaps he has changed his mind, or didn't get around to replying to an email from the BBC researcher. Wikipedia also list the Monster Raving Loony Party as intending to stand a candidate, but don't have a name, which might be why they're not on the BBC list.

    The two who are on the BBC list and not Wikipedia's are the only two women mentioned as possible candidates. Both independents, one is Abi Hookway, a property investor, and the other is Amy Morris, standing to oppose inheritance tax.

    Nominations close in just under 30 hours.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,914
    rcs1000 said:

    Foss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Today's bit of US extortion under Trump.

    US seeks share of Korean chipmakers' 'excess profits': source
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/business/tech-science/20260716/us-seeks-share-of-korean-chipmakers-excess-profits-source


    Eh, the Korean chip manufacturers have a history of anti-competitive, cartel-like behaviour over NAND and Ram prices. At some point I expect the EU will also get interested - as they did last time.
    The memory business has not been one that has -historically- made its cost of capital. Sure, there are years when they make mega profits. But there are also years when they get massacred. That is the nature of a highly capital intensive, commodity, industry with very long lead times between investment and production.
    I was thinking of this and this.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,670
    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,536
    boulay said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    As the grim reality of having to watch the "Bronze Final" on Saturday night sinks in and dreams of Bank Holidays and Sir Harry Kane holding the Jules Rimet aloft as the victory parade makes its way slowly down the Mall to the Palace recede into fevered fantasy, we have the usual search for a scapegoat.

    Thomas Tuchel is clearly the man picked to carry the weight of our unfulfilled expectations into the wilderness - I mean, we could have had a dodgy VAR decision or a missed penalty or a sending off but this way our "brave lads" can head with reputations unsullied toward the next great disappointment at Euro 28.

    That's how it is - always look for someone else to carry the can when we fail rather than ask the searching questions, the difficult questions.

    The really hard one being... What if this is as good as we are, roughly as good as we have any right to be? The higher you climb, the harder it gets to find more improvements.

    This might be a more generally-applicable principle.
    I think everyone in their life faces those uncomfortable moments when the extent of limitations becomes evident. I've never run a marathon or climbed a mountain or cycled 200 miles like some of the Adonii (or Adonises, there will inevitably be some classically educated halfwit on in a second to correct me) on here claim.

    I do have the body of a Greek God - just not one of the better known ones.

    As a society, too, we should ask - is this as good as we can be? That then reflects down to different levels - some see it in terms of prosperity, material and personal self-advancement, others at a more communal level - what can we do to make the lives of others better? Some look even further and talk about setting a global example for decency, morality, sustainability etc, etc.

    I suppose it depends on where your boundaries sit - is it just you and your family that matter or does the rest of the country and the world count as well?
    Its really, really hard to win the football world cup. Only seven nations have EVER done it. We have reached the exact point in our world rankings. The disappointment many feel today is that for 55 minutes we played the right game against the reigning world champions. We got our noses in front. And then it looks like we decided we ought to just defend for the next 45 minutes (there was always going to be 9 or 10 mins of 'injury' time).

    And we can never know what would have happened if we had kept trying to have pace up front, leaving two quick players up the field to run into the channels, rather than the stupid sight of Harry Kane defending on the 18 yard line. But it would have been nice to have tried.

    And you know it still might have failed.

    As a football nation we are very, very good and in the last 8 years we have done well at qualifying (I remember when England failed to qualify - its never a given) and going deep in tournaments (as recently as 2014 we went out in the group stage). But hand on heart we are not the best team in the world.

    When the England Mens rugby team won in 2003 they were the best in the world. They had probably peaked a year early and were on the way down, but they were still the best. South Africa are now the best in the world and have won the last two world cups to prove it.

    So a disappointing day for sure, but there is hope for the future. Bellingham looks to be a generational talent with so much more to come. We need to replace Kane and surely could do with some defensive solidity. And ultimately a better mindset when going 1-0 in semi finals and finals.
    My big concern for England is that I can’t think of a young English striker tearing it up at top level who will be seasoned enough to replace Kane.
    There is - Mason Greenwood - but he is un-pickable.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,361
    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    As the grim reality of having to watch the "Bronze Final" on Saturday night sinks in and dreams of Bank Holidays and Sir Harry Kane holding the Jules Rimet aloft as the victory parade makes its way slowly down the Mall to the Palace recede into fevered fantasy, we have the usual search for a scapegoat.

    Thomas Tuchel is clearly the man picked to carry the weight of our unfulfilled expectations into the wilderness - I mean, we could have had a dodgy VAR decision or a missed penalty or a sending off but this way our "brave lads" can head with reputations unsullied toward the next great disappointment at Euro 28.

    That's how it is - always look for someone else to carry the can when we fail rather than ask the searching questions, the difficult questions.

    The really hard one being... What if this is as good as we are, roughly as good as we have any right to be? The higher you climb, the harder it gets to find more improvements.

    This might be a more generally-applicable principle.
    Apart from the Mexico match was there a particularly strong team performance?

    One or two moments of brilliance from Bellingham and Kane, perhaps also Pickford, but as a team? I am not convinced.

    Fitness is a big issue too. We faded fast while the Argentinians didn't. It isnt fair to blame our EPL schedule either, as most of their team play in the EPL too!
    The correct substitution would have been Gordon <-> Alexander-Arnold.
    Good morning

    I really have no words for how Tuchel decided on his subs, and the shocking fact he even took Henderson, denied Mainoo anytime on the pitch, achieved just 12% possession between scoring and the stoppage time winner, and his public spat with Bellingham

    England's abject and embarrassing second half performance needs to be laid at Tuchel's door and he should go

    I’m disappointed but not surprised that England supporters are looking for a scapegoat because you only got to the semi finals. You did better than 44 other teams. You should try being a Scotland supporter.
    Who says I am an England supporter?

    Frankly I ambivalent to them, and having supported Berwick Rangers as a youngster and a season ticket holder at Hibs I am used to taking the rough with the smooth

    Mind you I am a Spain supporter on Sunday
    El domingo que viene, todos somos Juan.

    Whatever the regret, it does make my personal loyalty for Sunday easier. Is it too late to get a flag?
    I thought PB had an aversion to flags
    Was the aversion to flags as flags, or to doing the equivalent of flyposting fairly cruddy approximations of flags to lampposts and leaving them to rot? There are some near me that now look absolutely terrible.

    One other thing about flags- the more, and more variegated, the better in my view. We are all a mixture of identities- some that very many of us share (but even the St George's cross and the Union Flag aren't everyone's identity) and some that are more niche. There is a strand of populism-nationalism that seems to really struggle with that, and I'm not keen. We see it with the "one flag to unite us all" policies of Reform councils. On a local scale, it seems to underpin the "Romford is Essex not London" obsession some have. Why not enjoy being both?

    (For the record, the flag count in this Romford street over the last six weeks has been 6 English flags, 1 Dutch flag and 1 Pride flag in the glossy apartments for pre-retirement downsizers.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,366

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    SV

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Devolution_and_Community_Empowerment_Act_2026
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007

    boulay said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    As the grim reality of having to watch the "Bronze Final" on Saturday night sinks in and dreams of Bank Holidays and Sir Harry Kane holding the Jules Rimet aloft as the victory parade makes its way slowly down the Mall to the Palace recede into fevered fantasy, we have the usual search for a scapegoat.

    Thomas Tuchel is clearly the man picked to carry the weight of our unfulfilled expectations into the wilderness - I mean, we could have had a dodgy VAR decision or a missed penalty or a sending off but this way our "brave lads" can head with reputations unsullied toward the next great disappointment at Euro 28.

    That's how it is - always look for someone else to carry the can when we fail rather than ask the searching questions, the difficult questions.

    The really hard one being... What if this is as good as we are, roughly as good as we have any right to be? The higher you climb, the harder it gets to find more improvements.

    This might be a more generally-applicable principle.
    I think everyone in their life faces those uncomfortable moments when the extent of limitations becomes evident. I've never run a marathon or climbed a mountain or cycled 200 miles like some of the Adonii (or Adonises, there will inevitably be some classically educated halfwit on in a second to correct me) on here claim.

    I do have the body of a Greek God - just not one of the better known ones.

    As a society, too, we should ask - is this as good as we can be? That then reflects down to different levels - some see it in terms of prosperity, material and personal self-advancement, others at a more communal level - what can we do to make the lives of others better? Some look even further and talk about setting a global example for decency, morality, sustainability etc, etc.

    I suppose it depends on where your boundaries sit - is it just you and your family that matter or does the rest of the country and the world count as well?
    Its really, really hard to win the football world cup. Only seven nations have EVER done it. We have reached the exact point in our world rankings. The disappointment many feel today is that for 55 minutes we played the right game against the reigning world champions. We got our noses in front. And then it looks like we decided we ought to just defend for the next 45 minutes (there was always going to be 9 or 10 mins of 'injury' time).

    And we can never know what would have happened if we had kept trying to have pace up front, leaving two quick players up the field to run into the channels, rather than the stupid sight of Harry Kane defending on the 18 yard line. But it would have been nice to have tried.

    And you know it still might have failed.

    As a football nation we are very, very good and in the last 8 years we have done well at qualifying (I remember when England failed to qualify - its never a given) and going deep in tournaments (as recently as 2014 we went out in the group stage). But hand on heart we are not the best team in the world.

    When the England Mens rugby team won in 2003 they were the best in the world. They had probably peaked a year early and were on the way down, but they were still the best. South Africa are now the best in the world and have won the last two world cups to prove it.

    So a disappointing day for sure, but there is hope for the future. Bellingham looks to be a generational talent with so much more to come. We need to replace Kane and surely could do with some defensive solidity. And ultimately a better mindset when going 1-0 in semi finals and finals.
    My big concern for England is that I can’t think of a young English striker tearing it up at top level who will be seasoned enough to replace Kane.
    There is - Mason Greenwood - but he is un-pickable.
    Greenwood has switched his international team to Jamaica, though it doesn't look like he has played for them yet.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,038
    Max Dowman will be England's false nine in 2028.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,142

    The BBC currently list 12 candidates as intending to stand in the Clacton by-election. Wikipedia also lists 12 - but they're a different twelve!

    Wikipedia still list Luke Worley, the former Married at First Sight participant, as a declared candidate, but he's not on the BBC's list, so perhaps he has changed his mind, or didn't get around to replying to an email from the BBC researcher. Wikipedia also list the Monster Raving Loony Party as intending to stand a candidate, but don't have a name, which might be why they're not on the BBC list.

    The two who are on the BBC list and not Wikipedia's are the only two women mentioned as possible candidates. Both independents, one is Abi Hookway, a property investor, and the other is Amy Morris, standing to oppose inheritance tax.

    Nominations close in just under 30 hours.

    Nigel Farage.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,247
    Have to say, I'm not in a good mood this morning.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,366
    edited 9:48AM

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?
    10 Lowest Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts
    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,670

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    SV

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Devolution_and_Community_Empowerment_Act_2026
    That may help the candidates on the right (Con, Ref, Restore), although with three of them, voters have to guess who's most likely to be in the top two.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,142

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853
    Foss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Today's bit of US extortion under Trump.

    US seeks share of Korean chipmakers' 'excess profits': source
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/business/tech-science/20260716/us-seeks-share-of-korean-chipmakers-excess-profits-source

    Eh, the Korean chip manufacturers have a history of anti-competitive, cartel-like behaviour over NAND and Ram prices. At some point I expect the EU will also get interested - as they did last time.
    Look at the similar profits of Micron.
    It's very little to do with cartel or anti-competitive behaviour (quite the opposite in this case), and simply that demand vastly exceeds supply in an industry where it takes years to build extra production capacity (as all three companies are doing).

    So 'eh' back at you.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    Maybe switch 86 and 22.

    2018 was the sort of favourable draw opportunity that doesn't come round too often though.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,038
    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    I think 2010 was worse than 2014. I'm too young to have watched 1990, but I think 2022 was the one. Mid-season and in nice conditions. We were a bit unlucky to lose to France. Win that and I think we could have won it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,670

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?
    The lowest for a Norfolk PCC election was 14.5% turnout, for the first ever vote in 2012. Staffordshire in 2012 was down to 11.6%, but I think the lowest ever was the 2014 West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner by-election, down to 10.4%.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,316
    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
  • TresTres Posts: 3,773
    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    that's an insane ranking of the 2018 team
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,038
    Tres said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    that's an insane ranking of the 2018 team
    No, it's about right. They lost three games!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,142

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    But you can Burton it.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,773
    tlg86 said:

    Tres said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    that's an insane ranking of the 2018 team
    No, it's about right. They lost three games!
    the performances in the games they won were far more convincing than the 1990 side.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007
    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Will all the in-laws then gain the right to bring all of their families over too?

    How many hops until all of Gaza has the right of residence in Britain?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,316
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    But you can Burton it.
    Only if you are Stoned.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,670

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Will all the in-laws then gain the right to bring all of their families over too?

    How many hops until all of Gaza has the right of residence in Britain?
    What Trump calls chain migration (and what Trump's parents-in-law used to get US citizenship).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,038
    Tres said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tres said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    that's an insane ranking of the 2018 team
    No, it's about right. They lost three games!
    the performances in the games they won were far more convincing than the 1990 side.
    I've already said I'm not sure the 1990 side should be that high. But the best thing that can be said about the 2018 side is that they broke the penalties hoodoo.

    2002 and 2022 are the two I feel most regret about. If only we'd beaten Nigeria - but that was tough! - it would have been Brazil at night in the semi final. But! Senegal in the sun in the last 16 much tougher than Denmark at night. Simply, England got a tough draw in 2002 which really was a silly tournament. The Germans got an even easier route to the final than England in 2018.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    Tres said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    that's an insane ranking of the 2018 team
    2nd in the grp stage to an admittedly good but always the bridesmaid Belgium, scrape through on pens vs Colombia. Win vs Sweden (Both ranked 10-20ish), loss to Croatia that got battered in the final.

    It was a piss easy draw for us and we should have made the final.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,632
    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    Not wanting to be picky, but didn't they come bottom, last, also rans, red lanterns, last losers, etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,142
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    Not wanting to be picky, but didn't they come bottom, last, also rans, red lanterns, last losers, etc.
    No, they came top in the lowest turnout.

    They are officially the most apathetic county in England.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,142

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    But you can Burton it.
    Only if you are Stoned.
    Have I Stoked a punning contest?

    We shall have to ask TSE as one who Gnosall about punning.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,579
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    But you can Burton it.
    Only if you are Stoned.
    Have I Stoked a punning contest?

    We shall have to ask TSE as one who Gnosall about punning.
    It wouldn't bother me if the job went for a Burton anyway.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853
    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853
    Zelenskyy MPs tell me that as of now there are definitely not enough votes to appoint the president’s candidate for defense minister.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2077653153957240984
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853
    ❗️Today, the UNITED24 Media is pausing all publications to join protests over the dismissal of Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov. See you there.
    https://x.com/United24media/status/2077665289483784265
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007
    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,632
    edited 10:17AM
    Just to start an argument and show my age (and yes I did watch the 1966 final and all the England games in that World Cup) I consider the 1970 team to have been the best England team, sadly not as good as the Brazil team and robbed by a ruthless West Germany.

    A World Cup that has been quoted as having the 'Goal of the Century' in the final by Brazil and that Bank's save against Brazil earlier in the competition. I can watch that Brazilian goal over and over again for its beauty.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,169
    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    Before your table, but I reckon a golden chance that went begging was 1982 in Spain under Ron Greenwood. We beat France, drew with West Germany and were eliminated without losing a match. As ever, players knackered after a long domestic season was the problem. Our main tactic had been to give the ball to Trevor Brooking to cross to Kevin Keegan who'd score. Both men were injured and took almost no part.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    If nothing else, it would be a demonstration that democracy and the right to protest are actually meaningful in Ukraine.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,038
    Actually, on @Pulpstar's list, 94 perhaps shouldn't be bottom. An outrageously tough qualifying group and a disgraceful refereeing decision.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,670
    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    Not wanting to be picky, but didn't they come bottom, last, also rans, red lanterns, last losers, etc.
    No, they came top in the lowest turnout.

    They are officially the most apathetic county in England.
    In regular elections. West Midlands beat them in a PCC by-election.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,313

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    I don't understand why he sacked him. He seems to have been doing a good job and there seems to be a lot of momentum behind Ukraine/pressure on Russia currently.

    Seems a rare unforced error.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,915

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    I can. There's Wombourne every minute....
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,579
    kjh said:

    Just to start an argument and show my age (and yes I did watch the 1966 final and all the England games in that World Cup) I consider the 1970 team to have been the best England team, sadly not as good as the Brazil team and robbed by a ruthless West Germany.

    A World Cup that has been quoted as having the 'Goal of the Century' in the final by Brazil and that Bank's save against Brazil earlier in the competition. I can watch that Brazilian goal over and over again for its beauty.

    Didn't Sir Alf Ramsey call Argentinians animals after their match? They haven't changed much...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,632
    edited 10:31AM
    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    Not wanting to be picky, but didn't they come bottom, last, also rans, red lanterns, last losers, etc.
    No, they came top in the lowest turnout.

    They are officially the most apathetic county in England.
    It is my experience that I find it much easier to be the worst at something than be the best, although even then it can be a challenge.

    I was once going to take part in a fun regatta and I was sailing a Hobie cat. There was no wind, so that was going to turn into a sunbathing competition. So I decided to sail an Optimist instead for the laugh. I was warned that if I won I would not get the champagne but an ice cream as I was sailing a child's boat. It is the only time I have been sailing when bits of me have been hanging out of both sides. I lost. To a child.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,789

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    It was a turf war between Fedorov and Sirs'kiy. Fedorov lost and got the usual display of loyalty Zelenskiy reserves for acquaintances of long standing. All the gory details are the MI6 house journal, the Economist.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,877
    kjh said:

    Just to start an argument and show my age (and yes I did watch the 1966 final and all the England games in that World Cup) I consider the 1970 team to have been the best England team, sadly not as good as the Brazil team and robbed by a ruthless West Germany.

    A World Cup that has been quoted as having the 'Goal of the Century' in the final by Brazil and that Bank's save against Brazil earlier in the competition. I can watch that Brazilian goal over and over again for its beauty.

    One of my biggest moans about this WC would be the poor quality of the commentators. We really have no-one who can match Kenneth Wolstenholme or (on radio) Bryon Butler, word painters who could do justice to the World Cup's greatest moments. That Brazil goal your refer to is inseparable in my mind with the words, 'sheer, delightful football', which perfectly captured the exuberance of the Brazilian play. And everyone should watch the Maradona second goal of the 1986 QF accompanied by Butler's commentary (which was just so much better than the usual accompaniment from Barry Davies).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,025
    Brains Trust.

    What have our lawyerati used Tomlin Orders for, other than divorce case settlements.

    I'm just after a couple of single sentence examples.

    Thanks
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,556
    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,579

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    I can. There's Wombourne every minute....
    I'm off for a Leek...
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,556

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Polls are open in the 2026 Norfolk Police and Crime Commissioner by-election. How low can the turnout go? Could the Tories, Reform or Restore do well? I don't even know whether the election is under FPTP or SV!

    Do we know what the record low turnout in a PCC election is?

    10 Lowest UK Police and Crime Commissioner Election Turnouts

    Rank Police Area Election Year Turnout
    1Staffordshire201211.6%
    2West Midlands201212.0%
    3Surrey201212.2%
    4West Mercia201212.4%
    5Thames Valley201212.8%
    6Warwickshire201213.1%
    7Leicestershire201213.1%
    8Hertfordshire201213.4%
    9Wiltshire201213.5%
    10Cambridgeshire201213.6%

    Source: UK Parliament Research Briefing (Police and Crime Commissioner Elections 2012).


    Yay, Staffordshire came top in something.
    I Cannock believe it!
    But you can Burton it.
    Only if you are Stoned.
    Have I Stoked a punning contest?

    We shall have to ask TSE as one who Gnosall about punning.
    It wouldn't bother me if the job went for a Burton anyway.
    Did you hear about the baker in Barton. He tried to Knead wood.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,025
    edited 10:51AM
    Another Trump attack on law firms, coming back to the ones who caved to his protection racket.

    His DOJ has issued subpoenas to senior people in the law firms that paid him off to leave them alone when he came into power - offering tens of millions worth of pro bono for him etc.

    Some of the top firms licked his boots and paid him off, others sued him and won. He has come back top the first group, wanting to put top people on deposition (= formal legal interview) about their legal intercourse with his personal lawyer Boris Epshteyn, who set up the deals.

    Sorry - I can't ifnd a non-paywalled link.

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/trump-big-law-subpoenas-reopen-wounds-for-firms-that-made-deals
  • eekeek Posts: 34,557
    edited 10:52AM
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    If nothing else, it would be a demonstration that democracy and the right to protest are actually meaningful in Ukraine.
    There are protests in at least Kyiv, Lviv and Dnipro. A strong sense that, in a dispute between Fedorov and Syrski, people would rather Fedorov stayed and Syrski went.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What a bonkers definition of "family". At the most it should mean children under 18 and at the most one other current active parent to their children in this context.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,007

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    I don't understand why he sacked him. He seems to have been doing a good job and there seems to be a lot of momentum behind Ukraine/pressure on Russia currently.

    Seems a rare unforced error.
    Reportedly a dispute with Syrski, the head of the armed forces. Fedorov represents new thinking, and Syrski the old.

    it sounds like Fedorov was wanting to prioritise replacing people with drones on the battlefield, while Syrski wanted more bodies conscripted and sent to the front.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    I note the judge was previously a director of Haringey Migrant support sector.

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/DO8cW2B0zIKOX4dcP4uNT_we3gs/appointments

    This is a big issue within immigration hearings, the "judges" (For they are not I believe actual judges) are inevitably taken from the taxpayer jamboree/migrant friendly side of the equation.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,511

    kjh said:

    Just to start an argument and show my age (and yes I did watch the 1966 final and all the England games in that World Cup) I consider the 1970 team to have been the best England team, sadly not as good as the Brazil team and robbed by a ruthless West Germany.

    A World Cup that has been quoted as having the 'Goal of the Century' in the final by Brazil and that Bank's save against Brazil earlier in the competition. I can watch that Brazilian goal over and over again for its beauty.

    One of my biggest moans about this WC would be the poor quality of the commentators. We really have no-one who can match Kenneth Wolstenholme or (on radio) Bryon Butler, word painters who could do justice to the World Cup's greatest moments. That Brazil goal your refer to is inseparable in my mind with the words, 'sheer, delightful football', which perfectly captured the exuberance of the Brazilian play. And everyone should watch the Maradona second goal of the 1986 QF accompanied by Butler's commentary (which was just so much better than the usual accompaniment from Barry Davies).
    You have to say this is a magnificent post. Some dodgy offerings beforehand but there's no doubt about this one.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,979
    Fishing said:

    I think the decision by the main parties, or at least one of them, not to contest the by-election was, on balance wrong and bad for democracy.

    I know the by-election is a bizarre publicity stunt, but voters in a parliamentary democracy under the adversarial should be given a serious choice at each election, otherwise you're effectively disenfranchising them.

    So I think there should have been at least one serious, non-Reform candidate.

    We're having this election according to Farage because living in the UK is like being in a communist country. Seemingly being challenged for accepting bribes and laundered money is communist, if that's what happened.

    Slightly surprised about this given Farage's allegiance to Russia, which has been communist and has no issue with bribes and laundered money, and in fact is the source of a lot of it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    Pulpstar said:

    I note the judge was previously a director of Haringey Migrant support sector.

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/DO8cW2B0zIKOX4dcP4uNT_we3gs/appointments

    This is a big issue within immigration hearings, the "judges" (For they are not I believe actual judges) are inevitably taken from the taxpayer jamboree/migrant friendly side of the equation.

    Anyway it is no good for Mahmood to call it "shameful". Parliament is the highest authority and has control of the law of this land. It needs to change the law so adult brothers, sisters and parents should not be considered as the judge has done in the context.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,423
    Pulpstar said:

    Had a go at ranking England from 1986 onward WC performances.

    1990 - W Germany 1/2 final on Pens. Good effort
    2022 - 1/4 final to better team. (France who lost on pens in final and probably best team of tournament)
    1986 - Hand of God. Loss to a historic Argentina team in 1/4s via cheating (Eventual winners)
    2002 - 1/4 Fair loss to a best team (Stacked Brazil, eventual winners)
    2026 - Capitulation after going 1-0 up to a good but beatable Argentina.
    1998 - Penalties to a better Argentina side. Lost in grp stage to a decent Romania. Path to final v tough in hindsight.
    2018 - 1/2 final to a broadly level, though ranked below us Croatia. Slightly worse than expected. Golden opportunity with the draw.
    2006 - Penalties to a broadly level Portugal. (1/4) Unconvincing throughout.
    2010 - Battered by a better team (Germany) r16
    2014 - Grp stage, shocker.
    1994 - DNQ

    2010 - Had Lampard's 'ghost goal' been allowed it would have been 2-2 going into half time, England having come back from 2-0 down. Games turn on a lot less.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    I don't understand why he sacked him. He seems to have been doing a good job and there seems to be a lot of momentum behind Ukraine/pressure on Russia currently.

    Seems a rare unforced error.
    Speaking to reporters in Kyiv, Mykahilo Fedorov confirmed that he had been in conflict with Ukraine's commander in chief, Oleksandr Syrsky. He said that he had previously suggested to Zelenskyy that the general be dismissed, but the president refused. For his part, Syrsky gave the president "an ultimatum" to get rid of Fedorov.

    "When the president said that he did not plan to dismiss Syrsky, I said that I agree, this is his decision as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and I will learn to work with him," Fedorov said. "But we faced a complete obstruction of all our initiatives. And Syrsky is not ready to openly address problems," he continued, saying the general seemed more concerned about those plotting "campaigns against him."

    "And he gave an ultimatum. And instead of figuring out how to asymmetrically defeat Russia [together], he figured out how to split the country."

    He gave Syrsky credit for "sav[ing] our country in 2022" when Russia first invaded and the general led operations around Kyiv that ultimately pushed by the invading force. "But the war has changed,” said Fedorov, and Syrsky was not changing with it.

    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2077697373099147699
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,556
    Pulpstar said:

    I note the judge was previously a director of Haringey Migrant support sector.

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/DO8cW2B0zIKOX4dcP4uNT_we3gs/appointments

    This is a big issue within immigration hearings, the "judges" (For they are not I believe actual judges) are inevitably taken from the taxpayer jamboree/migrant friendly side of the equation.

    Exactly.

    She is not alone in making that journey.


  • TazTaz Posts: 29,556
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    The problem is it won’t be replaced and there will be little will in the political classes, as I see it, to do that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,247
    Peston not impressed by the CoE decision:


    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077701178373132308
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,247
    megan kenyon
    @meganekenyon
    ·
    12m
    A Green Party source describes speculation over who Andy Burnham will appoint as his chancellor as an “absolute gift to us”.

    “We weren't certain which version of Burnham we'd get, but it seems he's entirely under the control of the Labour right,” they said.

    https://x.com/meganekenyon/status/2077708749838447029
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,789

    Nigelb said:

    Pablo Yelizarov, Deputy Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, resigns after the dismissal of Fedorov:

    “I wrote a report requesting my discharge from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I believe that the removal of M. Fedorov is a great evil for the country's defense capability.”

    https://x.com/revishvilig/status/2077653794431578307

    It will be interesting to see whether the support for Fedorov can force a rethink by Zelensky.
    I don't understand why he sacked him. He seems to have been doing a good job and there seems to be a lot of momentum behind Ukraine/pressure on Russia currently.

    Seems a rare unforced error.
    Reportedly a dispute with Syrski, the head of the armed forces. Fedorov represents new thinking, and Syrski the old.

    it sounds like Fedorov was wanting to prioritise replacing people with drones on the battlefield, while Syrski wanted more bodies conscripted and sent to the front.
    It's a bit more nuanced than that. Fedorov launched a pre-emptive strike on Sirs'kiy to get him removed and hang the blame for Konstantinovka on him. He missed his shot, Sirs'kiy fired back harnessing discontent in the army over just about everything and didn't miss.

    It's Ukraine's version of Binface vs Farage. Showbiz upstart vs old grognard.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,877
    kinabalu said:

    kjh said:

    Just to start an argument and show my age (and yes I did watch the 1966 final and all the England games in that World Cup) I consider the 1970 team to have been the best England team, sadly not as good as the Brazil team and robbed by a ruthless West Germany.

    A World Cup that has been quoted as having the 'Goal of the Century' in the final by Brazil and that Bank's save against Brazil earlier in the competition. I can watch that Brazilian goal over and over again for its beauty.

    One of my biggest moans about this WC would be the poor quality of the commentators. We really have no-one who can match Kenneth Wolstenholme or (on radio) Bryon Butler, word painters who could do justice to the World Cup's greatest moments. That Brazil goal your refer to is inseparable in my mind with the words, 'sheer, delightful football', which perfectly captured the exuberance of the Brazilian play. And everyone should watch the Maradona second goal of the 1986 QF accompanied by Butler's commentary (which was just so much better than the usual accompaniment from Barry Davies).
    You have to say this is a magnificent post. Some dodgy offerings beforehand but there's no doubt about this one.
    First time I've ever been compared with Maradona. Thanks!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,325
    It'll be three cheers from officials at the Home Office with Mahmood leaving (Seemingly with a promotion) as they will be able to get back to letting everyone in business as usual.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,142

    Peston not impressed by the CoE decision:


    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077701178373132308

    So what you're saying is, Burnham's got the right idea here?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,313
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,556
    ydoethur said:

    Peston not impressed by the CoE decision:


    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077701178373132308

    So what you're saying is, Burnham's got the right idea here?
    I regard Peston’s commentary akin to Cramers investment tips.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853

    Peston not impressed by the CoE decision:


    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077701178373132308

    CoE not impressed by Peston.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,556
    Falkland Islands Football team top trolling of Argentina

    https://x.com/falklands_utd/status/2077693438217068567?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,853
    Ukraine’s new prime minister, Sergii Koretskyi.

    Koretskyi, chief executive of state-owned oil and gas company Naftogaz, is seen as a highly capable manager who helped Ukraine weather the brutal last winter. Zelenskyy has tasked him with repeating the feat this year.

    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2077708822072746073
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,247
    Pulpstar said:

    It'll be three cheers from officials at the Home Office with Mahmood leaving (Seemingly with a promotion) as they will be able to get back to letting everyone in business as usual.

    If the boats aren't stopped Labour loses the next election. Simples.

    Who else in Labour is going to have a chance at achieving that by 2029?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,789
    Nigelb said:

    If Federov is not reinstated, maybe we should poach him to run our defence procurement ?
    Or at least the parts of it which supply Ukraine with kit.

    Good English speaker but he's been involved in so much shady shit in Ukraine, he'd never (or should never) get a security clearance. In all of the post-Soviet countries, but especially Ukraine, the demarcation between the state, big business and organised crime isn't quite as vivid as those we enjoy na zapade.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,557
    edited 11:24AM

    Pulpstar said:

    It'll be three cheers from officials at the Home Office with Mahmood leaving (Seemingly with a promotion) as they will be able to get back to letting everyone in business as usual.

    If the boats aren't stopped Labour loses the next election. Simples.

    Who else in Labour is going to have a chance at achieving that by 2029?
    Problem is I don't think it's possible to stop the boats...

    And the boats are just a proxy for the number of people of different colours that people are suddenly noticing - so again the damage has been done.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,842

    kjh said:

    Just to start an argument and show my age (and yes I did watch the 1966 final and all the England games in that World Cup) I consider the 1970 team to have been the best England team, sadly not as good as the Brazil team and robbed by a ruthless West Germany.

    A World Cup that has been quoted as having the 'Goal of the Century' in the final by Brazil and that Bank's save against Brazil earlier in the competition. I can watch that Brazilian goal over and over again for its beauty.

    Didn't Sir Alf Ramsey call Argentinians animals after their match? They haven't changed much...
    That was in 1966, not 1970.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,671

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,361

    Peston not impressed by the CoE decision:


    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077701178373132308

    You can make a case for all sorts of people to be Chancellor. But there are two caveats.

    One is the sense that Burnham doesn't know who or what he wants. He chose to press the button on this chain of events; heck, he wanted to be in this position a couple of months ago. If he wasn't ready, he shouldn't have done it.

    The other is that, unless he and his team get a grip, those who don't want him to flourish will have him... not even for breakfast, but for a picky bit. Or, since we're all Spanish for the next few days, a tapas.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,671
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2ln31g8gvo

    "Aberdeen University worker charged over Ann Widdecombe death comments"

    (Some suggestion online that the BBC have made an error here, and the charges actually relate to earlier, much more egregious comments by the same individual.)
  • eekeek Posts: 34,557
    carnforth said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
    It's also easy of transport - it's not like the 1950s when travelling to Israel say took a week, you can get there in an afternoon.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,247
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It'll be three cheers from officials at the Home Office with Mahmood leaving (Seemingly with a promotion) as they will be able to get back to letting everyone in business as usual.

    If the boats aren't stopped Labour loses the next election. Simples.

    Who else in Labour is going to have a chance at achieving that by 2029?
    Problem is I don't think it's possible to stop the boats...

    And the boats are just a proxy for the number of people of different colours that people are suddenly noticing - so again the damage has been done.
    If the liberals wont control the border then the fascists will.

    David Frum
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