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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,830
    RIP Vanilla
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,873
    Good luck.

    Do you plan on bringing back the really old, pre switch comments at some point as well?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    BBC News - Former Tory minister Ann Widdecombe dies at 78
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced47jqyg1eo
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,188
    DavidL said:

    Thanks once again for all your hard work on our behalf Robert. It is a real testament of commitment to your father's legacy and a source of enormous fun for so many of us.

    Agreed and seconded.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,199

    1,460 Russian troops and 52 artillery systems not reporting for duty in Ukraine today.

    Given Russia's daily recruitment rates are running at around 800, that means yesterday alone the troops available to prosecute the SMO dropped by 660. This is happening each and every day.

    Even before the war began, Russia was facing major demographic problems.

    Their population was already falling, their average age was older even than the UK (and life expectancy lower) with a much lower birth rate.

    Sending their young into a meat grinder for Russia today is not the same risk as it was in the past. Putin may be OK with it, but the country can not sustain it.

    The after effects of this misadventure are going to be atrocious.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    edited 6:11AM

    1,460 Russian troops and 52 artillery systems not reporting for duty in Ukraine today.

    Given Russia's daily recruitment rates are running at around 800, that means yesterday alone the troops available to prosecute the SMO dropped by 660. This is happening each and every day.

    When the dust settles, the number of Russians (plus North Korean and African mercenaries) killed and injuried will be staggering. We are definitely well into 7 figures now.

    Ukraine have also suffered heavy losses too, with average age of their soldiers getting older and older. Their push for ever more drone and robot technology is driven as much by this as the fact the Russians have better drone tech. There are jobs which they just don't really have the manpower to do manually across the front lines e.g. resupplies.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,478
    Good luck - data migrations are a faff at the best of times.

    Will likes be being kept or is that a step way too far
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,082
    Can't find it but pretty sure I made a small bet on this being shown. Bayeux Tapestry has arrived back in the country it was made:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,082
    ydoethur said:

    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…

    Some say the Tapestry reveals the path the World Cup will take :p
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997

    ydoethur said:

    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…

    Some say the Tapestry reveals the path the World Cup will take :p
    England will bow out at the first French shot?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,278
    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    edited 6:39AM

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,102
    Thank you Robert!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,082
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…

    Some say the Tapestry reveals the path the World Cup will take :p
    England will bow out at the first French shot?
    So some say.

    Obviously that neglects the facts this was a Norman Conquest not a French one, otherwise the French king would've become king of England too, and the French would not have invaded (at invitation) during the reign of John, but there we are.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309
    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    edited 6:57AM
    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    These moats can also be artificial e.g. using lobbying to pressure governments for regulation which only they can meet. We saw this early on with AI companies, they realised quite quickly the tech moat isn't anywhere near as big as they first thought, so immediately pivoted from but you let us do what we want / reappriopate copywrited material because we will cure cancer*, to trust and safety, must have much more regulation, as AGI is just around the corner and will take over the world.

    * this was literally Sam Altman's pitch for ages.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,807
    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    I think this is where governments have to be sensible with regulation in order to make it easier for new companies to emerge, and to reduce those barriers to entry. They might also think about various things they could do that would give new companies a legup. Government procurement, for example, is a barrier to entry for new small firms which is entirely in the power of government to change.

    It is interesting to me that there are now a number of new fintech banks that have emerged to join the banking market, but the EV transition has not resulted in a single new car company in Europe to challenge the incumbent companies. I would have expected that regulation of the banking industry would have made the former more difficult than the latter.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,830
    It is being reported in Moscow that Putin is having screaming fits at his generals. He is in denial about just how fucked the domestic fuel situation is.

    Downfall?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,873

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Here, the other side to that is compute got really cheap and our hosts are not billing at market rate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997

    It is being reported in Moscow that Putin is having screaming fits at his generals. He is in denial about just how fucked the domestic fuel situation is.

    Downfall?

    He's more buggered than a rent boy in the Kremlin.

    Perhaps he should consider it as a new career, although he"s about 60 years older than the average.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,406
    Good luck in your migration Robert, fingers crossed for all going smoothly, and we will of course feed back on anything we spot along the way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    edited 7:11AM
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
    They are going to end up trying to out RyanAir, RyanAir aren't they. Rather sad, as I actually quite like EasyJet. Pricing is decent, the carry on luggage restrictions are not overly stingy, leg room etc is fine, they don't spend the flight time as an opportunity to try and bash you over the head with upsells. Its far superior to RyanAir experience in all those aspects.

    But on the flip side, I can see somebody looking at the fact RyanAir is terrible experience (and not that cheap) yet people still fly on it as a great opportunity to squeeze loads more juice out of EasyJet. Cos if you get pissed off with EasyJet, where are you going to go, RyanAir? Wizz?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
    It’s becoming a major issue

    If we don’t value them others will

    These went last week too

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2026/jun/18/another-ftse-100-firm-falls-private-equity-where-new-listings
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,367

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
    They are going to end up trying to out RyanAir, RyanAir aren't they. Rather sad, as I actually quite like EasyJet. Pricing is decent, the carry on luggage restrictions are not overly stingy, leg room etc is fine, they don't spend the flight time as an opportunity to try and bash you over the head with upsells. Its far superior to RyanAir experience in all those aspects.
    What does easyJet have that PE can borrow against and extract the cash?
    My ryanair experiences have been ok, it's wizz and vueling who are the pits.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,476

    It is being reported in Moscow that Putin is having screaming fits at his generals. He is in denial about just how fucked the domestic fuel situation is.

    Downfall?

    He should be thanking them for making any progess at all over the years despite the burden of needing to lie to thr Tsar to stay alive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…

    Some say the Tapestry reveals the path the World Cup will take :p
    England will bow out at the first French shot?
    So some say.

    Obviously that neglects the facts this was a Norman Conquest not a French one, otherwise the French king would've become king of England too, and the French would not have invaded (at invitation) during the reign of John, but there we are.
    Anything they Caen do, the French can't do better.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,476

    1,460 Russian troops and 52 artillery systems not reporting for duty in Ukraine today.

    Given Russia's daily recruitment rates are running at around 800, that means yesterday alone the troops available to prosecute the SMO dropped by 660. This is happening each and every day.

    Insane numbers. What a stupid waste to feed one man's ego.

    Ukraine has manpower issues as well of course, but hopefully have enough to take full advantage.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    edited 7:24AM
    Dopermean said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
    They are going to end up trying to out RyanAir, RyanAir aren't they. Rather sad, as I actually quite like EasyJet. Pricing is decent, the carry on luggage restrictions are not overly stingy, leg room etc is fine, they don't spend the flight time as an opportunity to try and bash you over the head with upsells. Its far superior to RyanAir experience in all those aspects.
    What does easyJet have that PE can borrow against and extract the cash?
    My ryanair experiences have been ok, it's wizz and vueling who are the pits.
    I believe they own a load of their aircraft outright and also have loads of valuable spots in the queue for further new aircraft. Also owning the rights to landing slots is very valuable.

    So the PE 101, sale and lease back of the aircraft?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,758
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…

    Some say the Tapestry reveals the path the World Cup will take :p
    England will bow out at the first French shot?
    If it's like Hastings there will be a long slog of french attack and English defence and at the end the English will rush forward to try to win only to be swept away by a french counter attack. And Harry Kane will be injured in the process.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,476

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Yes, so many industries are big two or big three, and technically a bunch of tiny companies.

    Look at Google - their initial product as a search engine is next to useless now, but it doesn't matter as they are dominant.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,476

    1,460 Russian troops and 52 artillery systems not reporting for duty in Ukraine today.

    Given Russia's daily recruitment rates are running at around 800, that means yesterday alone the troops available to prosecute the SMO dropped by 660. This is happening each and every day.

    When the dust settles, the number of Russians (plus North Korean and African mercenaries) killed and injuried will be staggering. We are definitely well into 7 figures now.

    Ukraine have also suffered heavy losses too, with average age of their soldiers getting older and older. Their push for ever more drone and robot technology is driven as much by this as the fact the Russians have better drone tech. There are jobs which they just don't really have the manpower to do manually across the front lines e.g. resupplies.
    Worth rembering most wars do not remain hot as long as this one as resourcing is bloody hard. Static though much of the frontlines appear a lot is happening.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,218
    kle4 said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Yes, so many industries are big two or big three, and technically a bunch of tiny companies.

    Look at Google - their initial product as a search engine is next to useless now, but it doesn't matter as they are dominant.
    Google people know, but lots of industries, most people won't even know. I didn't realise how consolidated the rental car market was until I had an issue with my rental and got caught in the kaffaesque customer service and quickly realised it was the same small team for 4 different brands.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,476

    RIP Vanilla

    It's better than many.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,476

    kle4 said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Yes, so many industries are big two or big three, and technically a bunch of tiny companies.

    Look at Google - their initial product as a search engine is next to useless now, but it doesn't matter as they are dominant.
    Google people know, but lots of industries, most people won't even know. I didn't realise how consolidated the rental car market was until I had an issue with my rental and got caught in the kaffaesque customer service and quickly realised it was the same small team for 4 different brands.
    Glasses is one that surprises people.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,188
    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    kle4 said:

    RIP Vanilla

    It's better than many.
    Which ones? Chocolate, raspberry ripple, toffee or fudge?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,184
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The glee with which the establishment have endorsed Binface shows how intellectually bankrupt they are imo.

    Walk me through the reasoning.

    'They' are finding amusement at Farage running against a joke candidate.

    Reform (and you) are clearly furious about that.

    And that's intellectually bankrupt because?

    Don't say why it's not funny or why it's a mistake, or why this a positive for Reform - say why it is intelletually bankrupt, as i cannot connect the dots.

    (If you want to weigh in finally on if it will matter if Farage did breach disclosure rules, which you might recall is why he is doing all this, that's up to you)
    If Danny Kruger is the highbrow powerhouse of your outfit, that suggests Reform are very much part of the intellectually bankrupt establishment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Easy solution. They buy them back from the UK government at the price paid.

    £35,000? Bargain.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,941
    edited 7:34AM
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The glee with which the establishment have endorsed Binface shows how intellectually bankrupt they are imo.

    Walk me through the reasoning.

    'They' are finding amusement at Farage running against a joke candidate.

    Reform (and you) are clearly furious about that.

    And that's intellectually bankrupt because?

    Don't say why it's not funny or why it's a mistake, or why this a positive for Reform - say why it is intelletually bankrupt, as i cannot connect the dots.

    (If you want to weigh in finally on if it will matter if Farage did breach disclosure rules, which you might recall is why he is doing all this, that's up to you)
    The logic I am enjoying is Mr Farage's unnassailable logic around not being involved in politics in the year before he became an MP in July 2024, so nothing is declarable.

    Here he is not involved in politics making his leader's speech at the October 2023 Reform UK conference:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPxGtCtYWe0

    I'm sure there aren't any more examples.

  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,941
    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Whilst on a smaller scale it is the same principle of giving away the chagos islands . It’s not a free policy as a lot of the population will class it as woke virtue signalling arrogantly granting uk assets to others to look pious and cool
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309
    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Slavery reparations

    A sizeable chunk of Labour MPs and a growing number of charities and NGOs support it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/30/jamaican-delegation-to-travel-to-uk-to-lodge-formal-slavery-reparations-petition-with-king-charles
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,941
    Best of luck with the migration.

    Keep smiling whilst creating those 76 Leonine accounts, when you could have been watching Die Hard.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,102
    The Clacton bin fight, and reactions to it on here, have highlighted what is a surprising (to me) change in the British political landscape.

    I watched (years ago now) a great C4 documentary on politicians who were made to live with a struggling family for a month. The Tory politician (Children's Minister, I want to say Tim Loughton but might be misremembering) came across as a thoroughly decent human, the Labour one notsomuch.

    Ever since I've agreed with the cliche that, though my political sympathies are with Labour, I'd much prefer to spend an evening getting gently pissed in the pub with a right-wing politician (I suspect Johnson or Cameron would be a thoroughly enjoyable drinking partner, for example, whereas I'd boil my big toe in my own urine rather than spend an evening drinking with Starmer).

    Right-wingers seem to do 'human' better. Left-wingers seem to be too tied up in their own worthiness.

    But Burnham seems to be genuinely amusing (and Badenoch has her moments too to be fair). At the same time, those supporting Reform seem to have inherited the left-wing mantle of turgid idealism and be unable to see the funny in the absurdity of politics. They also seem brittle and angry, much as parts of old Labour seemed to be.

    I wonder if this is just a blip and normal service will resume, or are Reform the new killjoys?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?

    No, but we're going to randomize who gets which account. So, you might end up with @malcolmg. @Richard_Tyndall could be @Taz. And @Leon could be @LadyG, while @Byronic could be @eadric.
    I can live with the turnip juice, but that would confuse the hell,out of poor @SeanT
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,184

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bayeux tapestry is here:

    Bayeux Tapestry delivered to British Museum in dead of night
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly9r54e5r4o

    From the days when governments hit their military targets…

    Some say the Tapestry reveals the path the World Cup will take :p
    England will bow out at the first French shot?
    So some say.

    Obviously that neglects the facts this was a Norman Conquest not a French one, otherwise the French king would've become king of England too, and the French would not have invaded (at invitation) during the reign of John, but there we are.
    So essentially a battle between Germanic and Nordic immigrants?
    ‘Where are all these men of fighting age flocking from?!’
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,830
    edited 7:38AM
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Slavery reparations

    A sizeable chunk of Labour MPs and a growing number of charities and NGOs support it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/30/jamaican-delegation-to-travel-to-uk-to-lodge-formal-slavery-reparations-petition-with-king-charles
    If they use the same principle as those who are improperly imprisoned, the goverment would set off accomodation and board for 200 years...

    They'd owe us.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,036
    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Return the Bayeux Tapestry, looted by the discredited Starmer regime.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,278

    Dopermean said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
    They are going to end up trying to out RyanAir, RyanAir aren't they. Rather sad, as I actually quite like EasyJet. Pricing is decent, the carry on luggage restrictions are not overly stingy, leg room etc is fine, they don't spend the flight time as an opportunity to try and bash you over the head with upsells. Its far superior to RyanAir experience in all those aspects.
    What does easyJet have that PE can borrow against and extract the cash?
    My ryanair experiences have been ok, it's wizz and vueling who are the pits.
    I believe they own a load of their aircraft outright and also have loads of valuable spots in the queue for further new aircraft. Also owning the rights to landing slots is very valuable.

    So the PE 101, sale and lease back of the aircraft?
    Provincial science teacher and all that, but I suspect that's the issue. Or, put another way, an organisation that is run prudently for the future can't throw off as much cash as one run imprudently for the short-term. So a well-run (by that metric) organisation gets undervalued compared to one run by pirates.

    It's not the only thing that did for Debenhams, but Green regarding the shops as an asset to be sold off now, rather than a guarantee that Debenhams could exist for the decades to come, didn't help. Or the recent rash of school closures because the land is worth more as a development site than as a school. Or those who point at the Church of England's huge assets and ignore the balancing liability of having a duty to exist for as long as necessary.

    It feels like an endemic problem; has anyone anywhere found a good answer?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?

    No, but we're going to randomize who gets which account. So, you might end up with @malcolmg. @Richard_Tyndall could be @Taz. And @Leon could be @LadyG, while @Byronic could be @eadric.
    Please don’t make me a Lib Dem !!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,367

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The glee with which the establishment have endorsed Binface shows how intellectually bankrupt they are imo.

    Walk me through the reasoning.

    'They' are finding amusement at Farage running against a joke candidate.

    Reform (and you) are clearly furious about that.

    And that's intellectually bankrupt because?

    Don't say why it's not funny or why it's a mistake, or why this a positive for Reform - say why it is intelletually bankrupt, as i cannot connect the dots.

    (If you want to weigh in finally on if it will matter if Farage did breach disclosure rules, which you might recall is why he is doing all this, that's up to you)
    If Danny Kruger is the highbrow powerhouse of your outfit, that suggests Reform are very much part of the intellectually bankrupt establishment.
    Another Holy Trinity Brompton attendee, they must preach a strange interpretation of Christianity there. James Orr, Paul Marshall, Kruger, Baroness Stroud...
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,941
    edited 7:44AM
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Slavery reparations

    A sizeable chunk of Labour MPs and a growing number of charities and NGOs support it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/30/jamaican-delegation-to-travel-to-uk-to-lodge-formal-slavery-reparations-petition-with-king-charles
    I work in the charity sector and have noticed the leadership of many are getting more extreme left wing and militant these days . Not sure why but probably that it’s the zeitgeist for charities to rally against big bad USA etc and of course everyone is an actor at the end of the day and fills the role we are given . It enables also ceos to look good and stand out more than merely running an operationally efficient charity service . (Which many like the wider society are failing at )
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Slavery reparations

    A sizeable chunk of Labour MPs and a growing number of charities and NGOs support it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/30/jamaican-delegation-to-travel-to-uk-to-lodge-formal-slavery-reparations-petition-with-king-charles
    I work in the charity sector and have noticed the leadership of many are getting more extreme left wing and militant these days . Not sure why but probably that it’s the zeitgeist for charities to rally against big bad USA etc and of course everyone is an actor at the end of the day and fills the role we are given
    If I’m being cynical I’d say it’s all a case of follow the money.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,873

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Slavery reparations

    A sizeable chunk of Labour MPs and a growing number of charities and NGOs support it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/30/jamaican-delegation-to-travel-to-uk-to-lodge-formal-slavery-reparations-petition-with-king-charles
    I work in the charity sector and have noticed the leadership of many are getting more extreme left wing and militant these days . Not sure why but probably that it’s the zeitgeist for charities to rally against big bad USA etc and of course everyone is an actor at the end of the day and fills the role we are given . It enables also ceos to look good and stand out more than merely running an operationally efficient charity service . (Which many like the wider society are failing at )
    They're playing in the same attention economy as every other influencer.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,383
    edited 7:46AM

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Return the Bayeux Tapestry, looted by the discredited Starmer regime.
    Er, it's English. So he should *refuse* to return it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,309
    Pro devolution Burnham should allow another Indy referendum in Scotland.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,450
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    Slavery reparations

    A sizeable chunk of Labour MPs and a growing number of charities and NGOs support it

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/30/jamaican-delegation-to-travel-to-uk-to-lodge-formal-slavery-reparations-petition-with-king-charles
    Surely reparations are the definition of "not free", given the requirement to hand over a pile of money?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    Taz said:

    Pro devolution Burnham should allow another Indy referendum in Scotland.

    On condition that Peter Murrell and Nicola Sturgeon pay for it?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,393
    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    He could visit Palestine (or try, I doubt the Israeli govt would let him in). He's already changing the rhetoric on Gaza in a way that will likely be helpful.

    Koh-i-noor diamond is a big deal in Indian subcontinent and with the diaspora but I think that might cause a stir with the monarchy.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,941
    edited 7:52AM
    maxh said:

    The Clacton bin fight, and reactions to it on here, have highlighted what is a surprising (to me) change in the British political landscape.

    I watched (years ago now) a great C4 documentary on politicians who were made to live with a struggling family for a month. The Tory politician (Children's Minister, I want to say Tim Loughton but might be misremembering) came across as a thoroughly decent human, the Labour one notsomuch.

    Ever since I've agreed with the cliche that, though my political sympathies are with Labour, I'd much prefer to spend an evening getting gently pissed in the pub with a right-wing politician (I suspect Johnson or Cameron would be a thoroughly enjoyable drinking partner, for example, whereas I'd boil my big toe in my own urine rather than spend an evening drinking with Starmer).

    Right-wingers seem to do 'human' better. Left-wingers seem to be too tied up in their own worthiness.

    But Burnham seems to be genuinely amusing (and Badenoch has her moments too to be fair). At the same time, those supporting Reform seem to have inherited the left-wing mantle of turgid idealism and be unable to see the funny in the absurdity of politics. They also seem brittle and angry, much as parts of old Labour seemed to be.

    I wonder if this is just a blip and normal service will resume, or are Reform the new killjoys?

    From their point of view I can understand other parties not standing in the by election but think it’s a mistake for the conservatives not to . They would probably win with tactical voting from voters who would never vote Tory normally and therefore start a habit for later . Also the win could springboard a charge to take back being the dominant force on the right . Not standing they just look like part of the smug establishment to many on the right
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,367
    Concern for Robbie Gibb's current condition. Just caught the tail end of the Zack Polanski interview on Today and he was allowed to calmly make his points without the interviewer talking over him or berating him, a clear breach of the Today programme editorial guidelines.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    kle4 said:

    1,460 Russian troops and 52 artillery systems not reporting for duty in Ukraine today.

    Given Russia's daily recruitment rates are running at around 800, that means yesterday alone the troops available to prosecute the SMO dropped by 660. This is happening each and every day.

    Insane numbers. What a stupid waste to feed one man's ego.

    Ukraine has manpower issues as well of course, but hopefully have enough to take full advantage.
    Speaking of feeding one man's ego, here's Stokes' tweet on the ICC anti-corruption probe around his retirement saga:

    https://x.com/benstokes38/status/2075086552015798726

    He doesn't specify who 'he' is.

    I think it's fair to say however that the replies are not too thrilled with the whole shebang.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,036
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The glee with which the establishment have endorsed Binface shows how intellectually bankrupt they are imo.

    Walk me through the reasoning.

    'They' are finding amusement at Farage running against a joke candidate.

    Reform (and you) are clearly furious about that.

    And that's intellectually bankrupt because?

    Don't say why it's not funny or why it's a mistake, or why this a positive for Reform - say why it is intelletually bankrupt, as i cannot connect the dots.

    (If you want to weigh in finally on if it will matter if Farage did breach disclosure rules, which you might recall is why he is doing all this, that's up to you)
    Of course it is intellectually bankrupt for the establishment parties simply to point and laugh.

    What is interesting though is that just as Nigel Farage is trying his utmost to discredit Reform, his main rival in the fruitcake-adjacent stakes, Rupert Lowe, has flown to America to blow up himself and his party. Pro-tip for proto-politicians: voters get upset when bad things are done to small children, so never trivialise it. Arguably this is also what brought down Theresa May, who denied that cutting 16,000 police officers played any part in the Ariana Grande concert bombing, and Keir Starmer, when after Southport he seemed more exercised by hurty words than slaughtered girls, triggering the ‘two-tier Keir’ meme.

    So, all to play for on the right, if Kemi can avoid going in studs-up.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,178
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Pro devolution Burnham should allow another Indy referendum in Scotland.

    On condition that Peter Murrell and Nicola Sturgeon pay for it?
    Well they do have the money.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,878
    On topic...

    May we hope for the occasional re-appearance of the Donate button?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,941

    maxh said:

    The Clacton bin fight, and reactions to it on here, have highlighted what is a surprising (to me) change in the British political landscape.

    I watched (years ago now) a great C4 documentary on politicians who were made to live with a struggling family for a month. The Tory politician (Children's Minister, I want to say Tim Loughton but might be misremembering) came across as a thoroughly decent human, the Labour one notsomuch.

    Ever since I've agreed with the cliche that, though my political sympathies are with Labour, I'd much prefer to spend an evening getting gently pissed in the pub with a right-wing politician (I suspect Johnson or Cameron would be a thoroughly enjoyable drinking partner, for example, whereas I'd boil my big toe in my own urine rather than spend an evening drinking with Starmer).

    Right-wingers seem to do 'human' better. Left-wingers seem to be too tied up in their own worthiness.

    But Burnham seems to be genuinely amusing (and Badenoch has her moments too to be fair). At the same time, those supporting Reform seem to have inherited the left-wing mantle of turgid idealism and be unable to see the funny in the absurdity of politics. They also seem brittle and angry, much as parts of old Labour seemed to be.

    I wonder if this is just a blip and normal service will resume, or are Reform the new killjoys?

    From their point of view I can understand other parties not standing in the by election but think it’s a mistake for the conservatives not to . They would probably win with tactical voting from voters who would never vote Tory normally and therefore start a habit for later . Also the win could springboard a charge to take back being the dominant force on the right . Not standing they just look like part of the smug establishment to many on the right
    To add if they had of stood a great opportunity for genuine right wing politics to shine through the dominance of leftist establishment slop we have had for years
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Pro devolution Burnham should allow another Indy referendum in Scotland.

    On condition that Peter Murrell and Nicola Sturgeon pay for it?
    Well they do have the money.
    They couldn't be happy campers though.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,553
    Dopermean said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    Speaking of market failure, looks like EasyJet is the next firm to be asset-stripped.

    EasyJet agrees in principle to rival £5.7bn takeover bid
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjxqq9jg8yo
    They are going to end up trying to out RyanAir, RyanAir aren't they. Rather sad, as I actually quite like EasyJet. Pricing is decent, the carry on luggage restrictions are not overly stingy, leg room etc is fine, they don't spend the flight time as an opportunity to try and bash you over the head with upsells. Its far superior to RyanAir experience in all those aspects.
    What does easyJet have that PE can borrow against and extract the cash?
    My ryanair experiences have been ok, it's wizz and vueling who are the pits.
    I'll be on Baltic Air for the first time next week to Riga. Anyone with experience?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,525
    edited 8:00AM

    Taz said:

    Admiration for all you do, Robert.

    Wonder if there's a wider principle being manifest here. For most of my life, the orthodoxy has been to outsource things, so that organisations in the public and private sectors tend towards an ideal of a management team and a bundle of contracts.

    Initially, that led to improvements in efficiency and quality, because competition will do that. But now the contracted suppliers have rebalanced the power in their favour, so can be more expensive and less good. (My place really struggled to let its recent catering contract.)

    Hence insourcing looks more attractive. And so the wheel turns.

    Having been in the US for a month, it is something that has noticably changed over the 25 years I have been coming regularly. Go try and hire a car, lots of brands...go and try and contact their customer service and you quickly realise there is essentially 3 hire car companies now. Same with hotels, beef processing, etc etc etc.

    This massive consolidations in huge number of industries means the idea of wild competition in a free market is an illusion.

    It is where you do need strong government to stop over consolidation. I don't now much about contract catering, but its there like basically Sodexo and errrh Sodexo?
    Free marketeers will say there’s nothing to stop new companies emerging but where a business has a wide moat with large barriers to entry that just won’t happen.
    I think this is where governments have to be sensible with regulation in order to make it easier for new companies to emerge, and to reduce those barriers to entry. They might also think about various things they could do that would give new companies a legup. Government procurement, for example, is a barrier to entry for new small firms which is entirely in the power of government to change.

    It is interesting to me that there are now a number of new fintech banks that have emerged to join the banking market, but the EV transition has not resulted in a single new car company in Europe to challenge the incumbent companies. I would have expected that regulation of the banking industry would have made the former more difficult than the latter.
    The main barrier to contracting with small companies is that, if things go wrong, the client can get more money back from suing a big company than by bankrupting a small one.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,553
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?

    No, but we're going to randomize who gets which account. So, you might end up with @malcolmg. @Richard_Tyndall could be @Taz. And @Leon could be @LadyG, while @Byronic could be @eadric.
    Can we bid for a handle?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,941
    rkrkrk said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    He could visit Palestine (or try, I doubt the Israeli govt would let him in). He's already changing the rhetoric on Gaza in a way that will likely be helpful.

    Koh-i-noor diamond is a big deal in Indian subcontinent and with the diaspora but I think that might cause a stir with the monarchy.
    Or he could focus on the uk and its huge debt and deficit and immigration issues and welfare budget
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 845
    Full result from Larkhall is not out yet but Reform have posted the stage 1 vote tallies

    Con 342
    Reform 1150
    SNP 975
    Lab 799

    Seat was prev Lab held, dont know turnout yet.

    At the final run off between Reform and SNP, Reform had a lead of around 140.

    This is one of the strongest unionist wards in Lanarkshire, and will be one of Reforms best areas in Scotland
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,807

    It is being reported in Moscow that Putin is having screaming fits at his generals. He is in denial about just how fucked the domestic fuel situation is.

    Downfall?

    Another oil refinery hit last night. Ilsky.

    You can imagine that Putin is telling them to stop the drones, to just shoot the bloody things out of the sky, and they're saying something like, "sure thing boss," and they're telling him about all the anti-drone fire groups they've formed, and they're putting 5th generation fighter jets into the sky, and using A-50 AWACS planes to track the drones, and the drones keep getting through.

    The thing about dictators is that they get very used to telling people to do things, and people then doing things. And the people will lie to the dictator about doing the thing when doing the thing is too hard, so a dictator never has to confront the reality that sometimes the thought is not father to the deed, because the deed is really difficult. But a burning oil refinery is kinda hard to lie about.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,660
    Thanks Robert for all your work keeping this show on the road.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,223
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    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?

    No, but we're going to randomize who gets which account. So, you might end up with @malcolmg. @Richard_Tyndall could be @Taz. And @Leon could be @LadyG, while @Byronic could be @eadric.
    I can live with the turnip juice, but that would confuse the hell,out of poor @SeanT
    “I felt a great disturbance in the Farce, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced,"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,830

    It is being reported in Moscow that Putin is having screaming fits at his generals. He is in denial about just how fucked the domestic fuel situation is.

    Downfall?

    Another oil refinery hit last night. Ilsky.

    You can imagine that Putin is telling them to stop the drones, to just shoot the bloody things out of the sky, and they're saying something like, "sure thing boss," and they're telling him about all the anti-drone fire groups they've formed, and they're putting 5th generation fighter jets into the sky, and using A-50 AWACS planes to track the drones, and the drones keep getting through.

    The thing about dictators is that they get very used to telling people to do things, and people then doing things. And the people will lie to the dictator about doing the thing when doing the thing is too hard, so a dictator never has to confront the reality that sometimes the thought is not father to the deed, because the deed is really difficult. But a burning oil refinery is kinda hard to lie about.
    Queues for fuel that can be seen from space are also rather difficult to hide.

    What happens when General Winter appears and nobody can move from their freezing homes?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,102

    On topic...

    May we hope for the occasional re-appearance of the Donate button?

    Battlebus said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?

    No, but we're going to randomize who gets which account. So, you might end up with @malcolmg. @Richard_Tyndall could be @Taz. And @Leon could be @LadyG, while @Byronic could be @eadric.
    Can we bid for a handle?
    I'd like to make a £5 million gift to PB, please, Robert.

    Signed,
    @KingofPB
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,168
    edited 8:15AM
    Morning, P.B.

    The Daily Mail poll of its readers, that well-known coterie of London lefties, is showing about 70% support for Binface, over Farage.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,478

    rkrkrk said:

    boulay said:

    I was wondering about what eye catching moves Burnham might take to make a splash home and abroad to buy time to work out the serious stuff that needs doing.

    I can see him passing a bill to return the Elgin Marbles for example. He will get lots of love from a lot of the world and on social media and it won’t cost anything.

    Anyone got any other “free” things he can do to make himself look different/dynamic?

    He could visit Palestine (or try, I doubt the Israeli govt would let him in). He's already changing the rhetoric on Gaza in a way that will likely be helpful.

    Koh-i-noor diamond is a big deal in Indian subcontinent and with the diaspora but I think that might cause a stir with the monarchy.
    Or he could focus on the uk and its huge debt and deficit and immigration issues and welfare budget
    What immigration issues - I'm asking because the issues you have are probably already fixed or at least reduced but most people won't pick up on the fact.

    Arrivals by boat from France are down 37% compared to last year but that's news that isn't being reported..
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,777
    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,941
    edited 8:15AM
    Dopermean said:

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The glee with which the establishment have endorsed Binface shows how intellectually bankrupt they are imo.

    Walk me through the reasoning.

    'They' are finding amusement at Farage running against a joke candidate.

    Reform (and you) are clearly furious about that.

    And that's intellectually bankrupt because?

    Don't say why it's not funny or why it's a mistake, or why this a positive for Reform - say why it is intelletually bankrupt, as i cannot connect the dots.

    (If you want to weigh in finally on if it will matter if Farage did breach disclosure rules, which you might recall is why he is doing all this, that's up to you)
    If Danny Kruger is the highbrow powerhouse of your outfit, that suggests Reform are very much part of the intellectually bankrupt establishment.
    Another Holy Trinity Brompton attendee, they must preach a strange interpretation of Christianity there. James Orr, Paul Marshall, Kruger, Baroness Stroud...
    Of those four, Orr and Stroud do not I think attend HTB, except perhaps for occasional visits. They are involved jointly in initiatives aiui.

    Orr is far too much Cambridge based, and is a High Anglican, who is somewhat unplugged from more than occasional attendance, and Stroud's husband is founder and senior pastor of a church called Christ Church, London - which is in the New Frontiers Church network, and meets across 4 or 5 locations.

    For rabbit holers, New Frontiers is what has emerged from the work of Terry Virgo.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,997
    maxh said:

    On topic...

    May we hope for the occasional re-appearance of the Donate button?

    Battlebus said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck, and thanks!

    One quick question - will we need to create new accounts?

    No, but we're going to randomize who gets which account. So, you might end up with @malcolmg. @Richard_Tyndall could be @Taz. And @Leon could be @LadyG, while @Byronic could be @eadric.
    Can we bid for a handle?
    I'd like to make a £5 million gift to PB, please, Robert.

    Signed,
    @KingofPB
    I don't think even that would buy you a licence to criticise Radiohead.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,769
    Dopermean said:

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The glee with which the establishment have endorsed Binface shows how intellectually bankrupt they are imo.

    Walk me through the reasoning.

    'They' are finding amusement at Farage running against a joke candidate.

    Reform (and you) are clearly furious about that.

    And that's intellectually bankrupt because?

    Don't say why it's not funny or why it's a mistake, or why this a positive for Reform - say why it is intelletually bankrupt, as i cannot connect the dots.

    (If you want to weigh in finally on if it will matter if Farage did breach disclosure rules, which you might recall is why he is doing all this, that's up to you)
    If Danny Kruger is the highbrow powerhouse of your outfit, that suggests Reform are very much part of the intellectually bankrupt establishment.
    Another Holy Trinity Brompton attendee, they must preach a strange interpretation of Christianity there. James Orr, Paul Marshall, Kruger, Baroness Stroud...
    He takes a folding bicycle to church?
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