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Labour MPs put the kibosh on an election fought under the Alternative Vote System

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Labour MPs put the kibosh on an election fought under the Alternative Vote System – politicalbetting.com

Andy Burnham has 322 nominations out of 403 Labour MPs. That means that 81 Labour MPs have yet to nominate. 81 = magic number to reach the ballot. But looks like Keir Starmer will follow recent precedent and not nominate. So only 80 Labour MPs left to nominate. Game over pic.twitter.com/M246MO23ak

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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    edited 7:05PM
    They should nominate Count Binface.

    This means incidentally the last two prime ministers elected by their party between elections have been unopposed.

    Admittedly looking at what happens when it goes to the membership....
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,003
    ydoethur said:

    They should nominate Count Binface.

    I think they have really.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,397
    2011 AV Referendum:

    No2AV = 68%
    Yes2AV = 32%

    #justsayin'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,003
    At least we know where the 322 cabinet appointments will be.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    I hope he's better than he was as Secretary of State for Health.

    I know these days he's all for enquires and forcing the truth into the open, but his actions over Mid Staffordshire would have embarrassed the BBC.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,790
    Funny how it's okay for Josh Simons to resign, okay for Andy Burnham to resign, but not okay for Nigel Farage to resign.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,991
    Omnium said:

    At least we know where the 322 cabinet appointments will be.

    Imagine the reshuffles.

    Minister for Pencils has lost his brief and instead will now be Minister For Getting The Teas In
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,462
    Spoilsports.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,766
    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,470
    edited 7:16PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Funny how it's okay for Josh Simons to resign, okay for Andy Burnham to resign, but not okay for Nigel Farage to resign.

    I’m confused, two of them resigned to take on a different jobs,

    Farage appears to have resigned to spend a month fighting to get the job he already had. Worse the disciplinary he was avoiding is just paused until they know if he’s coming back or not
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,866
    ydoethur said:

    I hope he's better than he was as Secretary of State for Health.

    I know these days he's all for enquires and forcing the truth into the open, but his actions over Mid Staffordshire would have embarrassed the BBC.

    I’m sure he’s going to drink from the vase of delivery.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932
    edited 7:18PM
    Reflecting not too seriously on the Clacton byelection, the Mirror need to revive their News Chicken, to follow Farage around.

    Is Lee Cain still available?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504

    Or Dennis Pennis. Or a new career for Borat as a reporter in Clacton.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,399
    Andy_JS said:

    Funny how it's okay for Josh Simons to resign, okay for Andy Burnham to resign, but not okay for Nigel Farage to resign.

    I don't agree with any of the resignations. However you have to agree that the really , really dodgy one is the one where the dodgy MP resigns to short circuit a parliamentary disciplinary sanction.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    Salt sounds a bit cross.

    He may just have been supporting Farage of course...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,462
    edited 7:20PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Funny how it's okay for Josh Simons to resign, okay for Andy Burnham to resign, but not okay for Nigel Farage to resign.

    You've been utterly ridiculous with your attempted comparisons in this story.

    Support it or not both Simons and Burnham resigned so Burnham could become PM, which is at least a big deal.

    Farage resigned as a stunt. Explicitly so, since winning wouldn't clear him of poor behaviour (which you ignore at every turn) and you've spent the whole time moaning people won't applaud the stunt.

    The sitiations are not the same, even if one were to take the view Burnham should not have resigned and Farage is a great chap the two circimstamces are very different.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,462
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Funny how it's okay for Josh Simons to resign, okay for Andy Burnham to resign, but not okay for Nigel Farage to resign.

    I’m confused, two of them resigned to take on a different jobs,

    Farage appears to have resigned to spend a month fighting to get the job he already had. Worse the disciplinary he was avoiding is just paused until they know if he’s coming back or not
    Exactly. The first is a calculated political move to advance a career, whether we like that or not. The second is a piece of drama - welcomed, but inconsequential.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    MattW said:

    Reflecting not too seriously on the Clacton byelection, the Mirror need to revive their News Chicken, to follow Farage around.

    Is Lee Cain still available?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504

    Or Dennis Pennis. Or a new career for Borat as a reporter in Clacton.

    Come grasp the mighty penis of our rival
    From junction with the testes to tip of his face.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,910
    MattW said:

    Reflecting not too seriously on the Clacton byelection, the Mirror need to revive their News Chicken, to follow Farage around.

    Is Lee Cain still available?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504

    Or Dennis Pennis. Or a new career for Borat as a reporter in Clacton.

    Dennis Pennis isn't funny anymore

    (and no, I'm not Steve Martin)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,462
    edited 7:25PM
    Time for the next claim - people are mocking Nigel but that only makes him stronger.

    Well, who cares? His political future will not be decided by a stunt like this, he wins or loses the top prize for other reasons.

    So we can enjoy how angry some people are getting - which doesn't seem to include Farage, to his credit, as much as his fanboys.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,794
    edited 7:26PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Funny how it's okay for Josh Simons to resign, okay for Andy Burnham to resign, but not okay for Nigel Farage to resign.

    Plenty of people have criticised all three, and all three are in different circumstances for different reasons, so if some people do reach different judgements on them they would hardly be unjustifiable.

    I mean Farage himself hasn't been consistent on it has he? He criticised the resignation of Simons and Burnham as being in the service of Burnham's ego, but resigning in service of his own ego seems to be just fine and dandy in his opinion.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    Shocked.

    EXCL: George Cottrell went for drinks with Tommy Robinson and other far-right activists shortly after his release from prison

    Cottrell later appeared backstage at rally organised by Robinson and spent the summer partying with the former EDL leader’s team


    https://x.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/2075106783169847688?s=46
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,462

    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.

    You need self confidence to be a top politician. It easily becomes smugness.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,399
    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    Reflecting not too seriously on the Clacton byelection, the Mirror need to revive their News Chicken, to follow Farage around.

    Is Lee Cain still available?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504

    Or Dennis Pennis. Or a new career for Borat as a reporter in Clacton.

    Dennis Pennis isn't funny anymore

    (and no, I'm not Steve Martin)
    Dennis Pennis was never funny. Paul Kaye was better as Paul Kaye.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,270

    Shocked.

    EXCL: George Cottrell went for drinks with Tommy Robinson and other far-right activists shortly after his release from prison

    Cottrell later appeared backstage at rally organised by Robinson and spent the summer partying with the former EDL leader’s team


    https://x.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/2075106783169847688?s=46

    Can't we just call him Posh George? Every time he's called Cottrell I have to remind myself that the Archishop of York wouldn't behave like this.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932
    FPT:
    maxh said:

    MattW said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What Rupert Lowe said must have been an innocent mistake, because no politician would knowingly torpedo their own electoral chances by deliberately saying something like that.

    What did Rupert Lowe say?
    Fury as Restore Britain leader describes Dunblane tragedy as 'one murder'

    He said: "As you probably know they banned handguns in the late 90s because there was a murder up in Dunblane."

    Rogan interjected, asking "One murder?"

    Mr Lowe replied: "One murder.

    "So, everybody, my father used to shoot pistols for Oxford University and he had, he's dead now bless him, but he had all his pistols were taken away, the pistols he used to shoot with at Oxford University."

    The family of Emma Crozier, who was shot dead in the tragedy, criticised the Restore Britain leader.

    Speaking to Sky News, her brother Jack Crozier said: "Rupert Lowe's father had his pistols taken away. My father had his daughter taken away.

    "He knew exactly what happened at Dunblane. He made an active choice, on one of the world's biggest podcasts, to describe the massacre of 16 five and six-year-old children and their teacher as 'one murder'.

    "The people of Great Yarmouth need to seriously consider if this is who they want representing them."

    https://news.sky.com/story/fury-as-restore-britain-leader-rupert-lowe-describes-dunblane-tragedy-as-one-murder-13561888
    Was it not one mass murder?

    It's incredibly crass and insensitive, and there are many other ways to express opposition to the handgun ban without belittling Dunblane, but I am not sure it's inaccurate.
    I find Lowe a very distateful man but surely this is correct. Rogan clarifying the point and Lowe doubling down does reveal him to something of an arse, seeking to make hay by minimising a massacre rather than to portray events accurately and with nuance, but I doubt he was meaning to imply that just one person was murdered, rather that there was just one event.
    It wasn't really just one event. There had been the Hungerford massacre previously.

    Edit: And the reason there haven't been any more mass shootings at British schools..?
    Don't get me wrong. I am about as pro gun control as it is possible to be. I think it is ludicrous that it took a horrific mass murder to remove Lowe senior's shooting pistols.

    I am also just instinctively uncomfortable with a political space that turns outrage up to the maximum, even against people who probably deserve it.
    I don't think your first para is quite right.

    In the UK I think our culture is generally to change as little as possible until there is a blatant reason to do so which renders an application of copium as clearly insufficient, and there have only been perhaps 4 or 5 spree shootings, other than in families or amongst criminal elements, in half a century, in Great Britain (ie discounting Northern Ireland).

    That is West Bromwich / Nuneaton 1978, Hungerford 1987, Dunblane 1996, Cumbria 2010, and perhaps Plymouth 2021. *

    I don't think anything less would prompt such a fundamental change here. And I'm not absolutely sure that we got the pistol ban quite right, but that's down in the detail.

    * Wiki has a list:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Decent challenge. I agree with the general approach of small c conservatism (why change what works).

    I don't like guns though. I grew up in a military family and vividly remember firing a live weapon off the back of a naval ship when quite young. There is something about the power it gives, and the ability to give in to your base impulses with irreparable consequences.

    I acknowledge my distaste may not be rational, though.
    In my head I might prefer the Finnish or Swiss approach to gun control, where they have large military reserve forces and rely as I understand it on widespread knowledge and cultural restraint.

    But I don't believe that would work culturally here, as we have had a professional volunteer army for hundreds of years. Someone here will know the history.

    I think that if we had far more widespread availability of guns over a short period, we might risk following to a degree the US route, rather than say the Swiss route.

    I could be wrong, but it's not a risk I would like to take.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    kle4 said:

    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.

    You need self confidence to be a top politician. It easily becomes smugness.
    It's a very fine line.

    See Al Carns who ends up on the wrong side of the line.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981

    Shocked.

    EXCL: George Cottrell went for drinks with Tommy Robinson and other far-right activists shortly after his release from prison

    Cottrell later appeared backstage at rally organised by Robinson and spent the summer partying with the former EDL leader’s team


    https://x.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/2075106783169847688?s=46

    Can't we just call him Posh George? Every time he's called Cottrell I have to remind myself that the Archishop of York wouldn't behave like this.
    If he had £5 million in crypto he'd find a good use for it rather than giving it to a minor political figure.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,270
    kle4 said:

    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.

    You need self confidence to be a top politician. It easily becomes smugness.
    And, given what Andy has pulled off in the last couple of months, he's got a fair bit to be smug about.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    That was a shellacking.

    Surely Iyar and Gambhir can't survive this? India have looked like Pakistan only much worse.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    The Irish beat us to it though.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,413

    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    Reflecting not too seriously on the Clacton byelection, the Mirror need to revive their News Chicken, to follow Farage around.

    Is Lee Cain still available?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504

    Or Dennis Pennis. Or a new career for Borat as a reporter in Clacton.

    Dennis Pennis isn't funny anymore

    (and no, I'm not Steve Martin)
    Dennis Pennis was never funny. Paul Kaye was better as Paul Kaye.
    The Russell Grant 'can you read palms' bit is one of the funniest things ever though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,436
    That made the last game look close. Astonishing batting by England, Brook in particular. This is a very poor Indian side playing really badly.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,400
    The stars aligned. He cometh. What an amazing story when you think about it.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 8,023
    Six dot balls out of thirty five is astonishing and outstanding
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 8,023
    edited 7:35PM
    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,790
    edited 7:35PM
    Cape Verde had more chance of winning the World Cup than the Labour leadership election not being a coronation, if we're honest about it.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,676
    Lowe is in his usual unapologetic mood, though notably doesn't specifically mention the part of the interview that has people exercised.

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2075250452925489171
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608

    kle4 said:

    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.

    You need self confidence to be a top politician. It easily becomes smugness.
    And, given what Andy has pulled off in the last couple of months, he's got a fair bit to be smug about.
    Yup, he won easily in a Brexit heavy seat.

    A seat the national polls said would be an easy Reform gain.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981

    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman

    He'd be sensational if he batted with a bit more sense when required.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,096
    Driver said:

    Lowe is in his usual unapologetic mood, though notably doesn't specifically mention the part of the interview that has people exercised.

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2075250452925489171

    In my view that was his chance to clarify, apologise and set the record straight.

    That he has not done so makes me embarrassed for my attempt at balance on the previous thread.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,436

    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman

    Arguably the best in the world at the moment. I just wished he would take a bit more time in tests. He could be devastating there too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    DavidL said:

    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman

    Arguably the best in the world at the moment. I just wished he would take a bit more time in tests. He could be devastating there too.
    Which is saying something when he averages 53 in tests.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,436

    DavidL said:

    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman

    Arguably the best in the world at the moment. I just wished he would take a bit more time in tests. He could be devastating there too.
    Which is saying something when he averages 53 in tests.
    Yes, he really is that good. He could do so much better with a bit more discipline. Some of shots tonight I simply cannot recall another batsman playing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    edited 7:43PM

    DavidL said:

    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman

    Arguably the best in the world at the moment. I just wished he would take a bit more time in tests. He could be devastating there too.
    Which is saying something when he averages 53 in tests.
    It is worth noting that is rather padded by several innings early in his career on absolute roads against weak attacks in Pakistan. Take those away and his average is closer to 40. His home average is only just above that anyway.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,288

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,790
    Everyone in the world cup apart from France are hoping that France has a bad day today and Morocco go through.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,397
    Football... must... have... football...
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,288

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,790

    Harry Brook is an incredible batsman

    He was sub-optimal at the Trent Bridge test match.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    edited 7:56PM
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    I first heard the term 'open a can of whoop ass' when I watched There's Something About Mary.

    My friends thought I was going to die in the cinema, I kept on laughing so much.

    Dodgeball, Intolerable Cruelty, Casino Royale, and The Avengers have only elicited such a strong reaction.

    Casino Royale was the worst, the whole cinema looked at me after I couldn't stop laughing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,079

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    The East India Company First XI are playing?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,399
    La Marseillaise is a fine national anthem.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,790
    A representative sample of Clacton voters.

    https://www.twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2075139110281285817
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,790

    2011 AV Referendum:

    No2AV = 68%
    Yes2AV = 32%

    #justsayin'

    Well, the British people made a big mistake at this referendum. It's pretty obvious that the Australian system, or something very similar to it, it better than FPTP. Idiots.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    Andy_JS said:

    A representative sample of Clacton voters.

    https://www.twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2075139110281285817

    That's not a representative sample.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,436
    This might be close to France's toughest game in the entire WC. Arguably Spain will be harder but not much.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,288

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    I first heard the term 'open a can of whoop ass' when I watched There's Something About Mary.

    My friends thought I was going to die in the cinema, I kept on laughing so much.

    Dodgeball, Intolerable Cruelty, Casino Royale, and The Avengers have only elicited such a strong reaction.

    Casino Royale was the worst, the whole cinema looked at me after I couldn't stop laughing.
    The Niven one is a joy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,288

    La Marseillaise is a fine national anthem.

    On a par with Fratelli D’Italia

    Can’t think of any other good ones.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,024
    ydoethur said:

    Shocked.

    EXCL: George Cottrell went for drinks with Tommy Robinson and other far-right activists shortly after his release from prison

    Cottrell later appeared backstage at rally organised by Robinson and spent the summer partying with the former EDL leader’s team


    https://x.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/2075106783169847688?s=46

    Can't we just call him Posh George? Every time he's called Cottrell I have to remind myself that the Archishop of York wouldn't behave like this.
    If he had £5 million in crypto he'd find a good use for it rather than giving it to a minor political figure.
    The £5 million was from Harborne. Posh George is the one who did time in America for ripping off drug lords who turned out to be the IRS (or FBI or DEA or something) and owned a house Farage stayed in and whose mum donated £500k and tbh it is all too much for this bear of little brain. It's all a bit Walter Mitty-ish. I'm waiting for the Channel 5 documentary.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932
    Stereodog said:

    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    Reflecting not too seriously on the Clacton byelection, the Mirror need to revive their News Chicken, to follow Farage around.

    Is Lee Cain still available?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504

    Or Dennis Pennis. Or a new career for Borat as a reporter in Clacton.

    Dennis Pennis isn't funny anymore

    (and no, I'm not Steve Martin)
    Dennis Pennis was never funny. Paul Kaye was better as Paul Kaye.
    The Russell Grant 'can you read palms' bit is one of the funniest things ever though.
    He had his moments:

    "If it wasn't gratuitous, and was done tastefully, would you consider keeping your clothes ON in a movie?" (to Demi Moore)
    https://youtu.be/LvghEZX9fNs?t=219
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    I first heard the term 'open a can of whoop ass' when I watched There's Something About Mary.

    My friends thought I was going to die in the cinema, I kept on laughing so much.

    Dodgeball, Intolerable Cruelty, Casino Royale, and The Avengers have only elicited such a strong reaction.

    Casino Royale was the worst, the whole cinema looked at me after I couldn't stop laughing.
    The Niven one is a joy.
    It is, but it was the Daniel Craig version that nearly got me chucked out of the cinema.

    This scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pqswXNAgs

    'Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!'

    I had that as a text alert on my phone until HR explained to me it wasn't work appropriate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,469
    edited 8:05PM
    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in. That is despite Reform being tied for the lead with Labour on 22% and ahead of the Tories who are on 20% on national votes

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932

    ydoethur said:

    Shocked.

    EXCL: George Cottrell went for drinks with Tommy Robinson and other far-right activists shortly after his release from prison

    Cottrell later appeared backstage at rally organised by Robinson and spent the summer partying with the former EDL leader’s team


    https://x.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/2075106783169847688?s=46

    Can't we just call him Posh George? Every time he's called Cottrell I have to remind myself that the Archishop of York wouldn't behave like this.
    If he had £5 million in crypto he'd find a good use for it rather than giving it to a minor political figure.
    The £5 million was from Harborne. Posh George is the one who did time in America for ripping off drug lords who turned out to be the IRS (or FBI or DEA or something) and owned a house Farage stayed in and whose mum donated £500k and tbh it is all too much for this bear of little brain. It's all a bit Walter Mitty-ish. I'm waiting for the Channel 5 documentary.
    Posh George has done quite a bit of donations.

    His MUM ha done at least £1.75m, too.

    The tabloids will like the story because she was in Penthouse.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,024

    kle4 said:

    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.

    You need self confidence to be a top politician. It easily becomes smugness.
    And, given what Andy has pulled off in the last couple of months, he's got a fair bit to be smug about.
    Yup, he won easily in a Brexit heavy seat.

    A seat the national polls said would be an easy Reform gain.
    You think Burnham persuaded Josh Simons to retire so he could fight what he thought was an impossible seat?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,608

    kle4 said:

    Burnham's humblebragging selfie video today was nauseating.

    He's so full of himself.

    You need self confidence to be a top politician. It easily becomes smugness.
    And, given what Andy has pulled off in the last couple of months, he's got a fair bit to be smug about.
    Yup, he won easily in a Brexit heavy seat.

    A seat the national polls said would be an easy Reform gain.
    You think Burnham persuaded Josh Simons to retire so he could fight what he thought was an impossible seat?
    Not impossible but difficult.

    It was now or never for Burnham.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,413
    Apologises if this has been discussed already but just catching up with Count Binface doing the media round this morning. I have to say he's leagues above most politicians when it comes to parrying questions:

    Andrew Marr: " The Commons rules are very clear and they forbid face coverings "

    Count Binface: " Well the Commons rules are very clear about what you can do with donations , but that seems to have got all murky so why can't I see how the line can get tested ?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,564
    edited 8:11PM
    HYUFD said:

    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/

    Relax HY - they are making a huge mistake.

    The problem with UK mayors compared to abroad, in UK they are mostly just glorified car park attendants, central government, the treasury, take more control of actual power all the time - the new Defence Investment Plan a perfect example. Mayors certainly spend and waste money - and Burnham has a back catalogue of mistakes, bad decisions and waste to be thrown at him. But Mayors never properly prove they generate additional money or get value for it like government ministers and PMs constantly have to. The difference between a mayor and being in a proper job in government, is chalk and cheese.

    The point I’m getting at here, at no time has Burnham ever been more popular than Starmer for PM - because how do you poll such a thing accurately when one is actually doing a proper job, the other a glorified car park attendant tucked away in a region or city most friendly to the party, spending other people’s money. Yet WOTN (the wanker from the north - Wankashire in fact, not an intelligent part of the north) his inane supporters were naff enough to quote such polling. No I’ll go much further than that, it’s the fact the whole Labour movement has bought into idea Burnhams government will be more popular with the electorate than Starmer’s. But here’s the bottom line - based on what? It’s not evidence based. It’s the most flawed understanding as you scratch beneath its surface.

    This is how we politics geeks - and very soon the whole rest of the nation - actually know Andy Burnham: it’s from the weirdo’s and no hopers he surrounds himself with - Useless Lucy, Lawbreaker Louise, Fruit Cake Clive Lewis, Milliband, Rayner, Red Ann Midgley. Forget my references to “Manc Mafia” - UK’s about to be governed by THE MUNSTERS.

    I have already called it correctly - this is exactly what is about to happen: it will soon be viewed as a horror show, because Team Burnham are just weird people and clueless second rate politicians. And - just like the US Democrats, who MUST shoulder the main responsibility for inflicting Trump 2.0 on the world becuase they also coronated without a proper test - Labour will massively regret not having a contest before handing over such massive power to a weird unlikeable clique in their party.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,418
    Morrocco are decent, but France looks deadly up front, a class above.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    I first heard the term 'open a can of whoop ass' when I watched There's Something About Mary.

    My friends thought I was going to die in the cinema, I kept on laughing so much.

    Dodgeball, Intolerable Cruelty, Casino Royale, and The Avengers have only elicited such a strong reaction.

    Casino Royale was the worst, the whole cinema looked at me after I couldn't stop laughing.
    The Niven one is a joy.
    It is, but it was the Daniel Craig version that nearly got me chucked out of the cinema.

    This scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pqswXNAgs

    'Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!'

    I had that as a text alert on my phone until HR explained to me it wasn't work appropriate.
    They got testy with you?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,288

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    I first heard the term 'open a can of whoop ass' when I watched There's Something About Mary.

    My friends thought I was going to die in the cinema, I kept on laughing so much.

    Dodgeball, Intolerable Cruelty, Casino Royale, and The Avengers have only elicited such a strong reaction.

    Casino Royale was the worst, the whole cinema looked at me after I couldn't stop laughing.
    The Niven one is a joy.
    It is, but it was the Daniel Craig version that nearly got me chucked out of the cinema.

    This scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pqswXNAgs

    'Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!'

    I had that as a text alert on my phone until HR explained to me it wasn't work appropriate.
    Better to scratch than wax, I’d think !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932
    edited 8:16PM
    A police training issue, and the problem with moral panics rather than thinking tings through.

    They have crushed another legal e-cycle (technically EAPC - Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle). This one was a Tern HSD, which was worth about £5.5k and are one of the best known brands in the UK. It had been funded by Birmingham Council to be part of a "hire for a month to try it out" scheme:

    However, the cycle was seized by West Midlands Police on New Street, in Birmingham city centre, and wrongly identified as what in law is an electric motorcycle, for which riders need a license and insurance. The rider was offered a Fixed Penalty Notice of £300 and six points on their license, or a court hearing.

    Body-worn camera footage from the police encounter with the rider, released by police and seen by Cycling Electric, shows an officer cranking the e-bike’s pedal with one hand, while the rear wheel is off the ground, thus removing any friction with a surface – and the speedometer registering what looks like 60km/h. The rider can be heard saying the motor wasn’t switched on at the time.


    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/end-damaging-conflation-of-e-bikes-modified-kits-mp-urges-the-bbc
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,418

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    I first heard the term 'open a can of whoop ass' when I watched There's Something About Mary.

    My friends thought I was going to die in the cinema, I kept on laughing so much.

    Dodgeball, Intolerable Cruelty, Casino Royale, and The Avengers have only elicited such a strong reaction.

    Casino Royale was the worst, the whole cinema looked at me after I couldn't stop laughing.
    The Niven one is a joy.
    It is, but it was the Daniel Craig version that nearly got me chucked out of the cinema.

    This scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pqswXNAgs

    'Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls!'

    I had that as a text alert on my phone until HR explained to me it wasn't work appropriate.
    I used to have the BÖC classic "Don't Fear the Reaper" as my ring tone for a while until a few too many recognised it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,469

    HYUFD said:

    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/

    Relax HY - they are making a huge mistake.

    The problem with UK mayors compared to abroad, in UK they are mostly just glorified car park attendants, central government, the treasury, take more control of actual power all the time - the new Defence Investment Plan a perfect example. Mayors certainly spend and waste money - and Burnham has a back catalogue of mistakes, bad decisions and waste to be thrown at him. But Mayors never properly prove they generate additional money or get value for it like government ministers and PMs constantly have to. The difference between a mayor and being in a proper job in government, is chalk and cheese.

    The point I’m getting at here, at no time has Burnham ever been more popular than Starmer for PM - because how do you poll such a thing accurately when one is actually doing a proper job, the other a glorified car park attendant tucked away in a region or city most friendly to the party, spending other people’s money. Yet WOTN (the wanker from the north - Wankashire in fact, not an intelligent part of the north) his inane supporters were naff enough to quote such polling. No I’ll go much further than that, it’s the fact the whole Labour movement has bought into idea Burnhams government will be more popular with the electorate than Starmer’s. But here’s the bottom line - based on what? It’s not evidence based. It’s the most flawed understanding as you scratch beneath its surface.

    This is how we politics geeks - and very soon the whole rest of the nation - actually know Andy Burnham: it’s from the weirdo’s and no hopers he surrounds himself with - Useless Lucy, Lawbreaker Louise, Fruit Cake Clive Lewis, Milliband, Rayner, Red Ann Midgley. Forget my references to “Manc Mafia” - UK’s about to be governed by THE MUNSTERS.

    I have already called it correctly - this is exactly what is about to happen: it will soon be viewed as a horror show, because Team Burnham are just weird people and clueless second rate politicians. And - just like the US Democrats, who MUST shoulder the main responsibility for inflicting Trump 2.0 on the world becuase they also coronated without a proper test - Labour will massively regret not having a contest before handing over such massive power to a weird unlikeable clique in their party.
    They should have had a contest but it does look like Burnham, like Trump, is electable like him or not
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,591
    MattW said:

    A police training issue, and the problem with moral panics.

    They have crushed another legal e-cycle (technically EAPC - Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle). This one was a Tern HSD, which was worth about £5.5k and are one of the best known brands in the UK. It had been funded by Birmingham Council to be part of a "hire for a month to try it out" scheme:

    However, the cycle was seized by West Midlands Police on New Street, in Birmingham city centre, and wrongly identified as what in law is an electric motorcycle, for which riders need a license and insurance. The rider was offered a Fixed Penalty Notice of £300 and six points on their license, or a court hearing.

    Body-worn camera footage from the police encounter with the rider, released by police and seen by Cycling Electric, shows an officer cranking the e-bike’s pedal with one hand, while the rear wheel is off the ground, thus removing any friction with a surface – and the speedometer registering what looks like 60km/h. The rider can be heard saying the motor wasn’t switched on at the time.


    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/end-damaging-conflation-of-e-bikes-modified-kits-mp-urges-the-bbc

    Licence.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,564
    HYUFD said:

    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in. That is despite Reform being tied for the lead with Labour on 22% and ahead of the Tories who are on 20% on national votes

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/

    So Conservatives only 68 behind Labour already. Heh. 😁
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,981
    MattW said:

    A police training issue, and the problem with moral panics rather than thinking tings through.

    They have crushed another legal e-cycle (technically EAPC - Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle). This one was a Tern HSD, which was worth about £5.5k and are one of the best known brands in the UK. It had been funded by Birmingham Council to be part of a "hire for a month to try it out" scheme:

    However, the cycle was seized by West Midlands Police on New Street, in Birmingham city centre, and wrongly identified as what in law is an electric motorcycle, for which riders need a license and insurance. The rider was offered a Fixed Penalty Notice of £300 and six points on their license, or a court hearing.

    Body-worn camera footage from the police encounter with the rider, released by police and seen by Cycling Electric, shows an officer cranking the e-bike’s pedal with one hand, while the rear wheel is off the ground, thus removing any friction with a surface – and the speedometer registering what looks like 60km/h. The rider can be heard saying the motor wasn’t switched on at the time.


    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/end-damaging-conflation-of-e-bikes-modified-kits-mp-urges-the-bbc

    Wrong link?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,866

    HYUFD said:

    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in. That is despite Reform being tied for the lead with Labour on 22% and ahead of the Tories who are on 20% on national votes

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/

    So Conservatives only 68 behind Labour already. Heh. 😁
    And…

    Labour, Lib Dem and Green coalition still miss a majority by 7 seats
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,196
    BBC reporting the latest strikes to isolate Crimea.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70yd1g67z5o

    This is something that was getting reported by a few here regularly but not making the mainstream news, but now seems to be more regularly on mainstream news too.

    I wonder if they've picked it up from here, or if we're potentially approaching some sort of culmination?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,098
    edited 8:23PM
    MattW said:

    A police training issue, and the problem with moral panics rather than thinking tings through.

    They have crushed another legal e-cycle (technically EAPC - Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle). This one was a Tern HSD, which was worth about £5.5k and are one of the best known brands in the UK. It had been funded by Birmingham Council to be part of a "hire for a month to try it out" scheme:

    However, the cycle was seized by West Midlands Police on New Street, in Birmingham city centre, and wrongly identified as what in law is an electric motorcycle, for which riders need a license and insurance. The rider was offered a Fixed Penalty Notice of £300 and six points on their license, or a court hearing.

    Body-worn camera footage from the police encounter with the rider, released by police and seen by Cycling Electric, shows an officer cranking the e-bike’s pedal with one hand, while the rear wheel is off the ground, thus removing any friction with a surface – and the speedometer registering what looks like 60km/h. The rider can be heard saying the motor wasn’t switched on at the time.


    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/end-damaging-conflation-of-e-bikes-modified-kits-mp-urges-the-bbc

    If there is a case going to court, why have the police destroyed the evidence?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,196

    HYUFD said:

    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/

    Relax HY - they are making a huge mistake.

    The problem with UK mayors compared to abroad, in UK they are mostly just glorified car park attendants, central government, the treasury, take more control of actual power all the time - the new Defence Investment Plan a perfect example. Mayors certainly spend and waste money - and Burnham has a back catalogue of mistakes, bad decisions and waste to be thrown at him. But Mayors never properly prove they generate additional money or get value for it like government ministers and PMs constantly have to. The difference between a mayor and being in a proper job in government, is chalk and cheese.

    The point I’m getting at here, at no time has Burnham ever been more popular than Starmer for PM - because how do you poll such a thing accurately when one is actually doing a proper job, the other a glorified car park attendant tucked away in a region or city most friendly to the party, spending other people’s money. Yet WOTN (the wanker from the north - Wankashire in fact, not an intelligent part of the north) his inane supporters were naff enough to quote such polling. No I’ll go much further than that, it’s the fact the whole Labour movement has bought into idea Burnhams government will be more popular with the electorate than Starmer’s. But here’s the bottom line - based on what? It’s not evidence based. It’s the most flawed understanding as you scratch beneath its surface.

    This is how we politics geeks - and very soon the whole rest of the nation - actually know Andy Burnham: it’s from the weirdo’s and no hopers he surrounds himself with - Useless Lucy, Lawbreaker Louise, Fruit Cake Clive Lewis, Milliband, Rayner, Red Ann Midgley. Forget my references to “Manc Mafia” - UK’s about to be governed by THE MUNSTERS.

    I have already called it correctly - this is exactly what is about to happen: it will soon be viewed as a horror show, because Team Burnham are just weird people and clueless second rate politicians. And - just like the US Democrats, who MUST shoulder the main responsibility for inflicting Trump 2.0 on the world becuase they also coronated without a proper test - Labour will massively regret not having a contest before handing over such massive power to a weird unlikeable clique in their party.
    Your entire thesis seems to be resting upon the innate popularity of car park attendants.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    A police training issue, and the problem with moral panics rather than thinking tings through.

    They have crushed another legal e-cycle (technically EAPC - Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle). This one was a Tern HSD, which was worth about £5.5k and are one of the best known brands in the UK. It had been funded by Birmingham Council to be part of a "hire for a month to try it out" scheme:

    However, the cycle was seized by West Midlands Police on New Street, in Birmingham city centre, and wrongly identified as what in law is an electric motorcycle, for which riders need a license and insurance. The rider was offered a Fixed Penalty Notice of £300 and six points on their license, or a court hearing.

    Body-worn camera footage from the police encounter with the rider, released by police and seen by Cycling Electric, shows an officer cranking the e-bike’s pedal with one hand, while the rear wheel is off the ground, thus removing any friction with a surface – and the speedometer registering what looks like 60km/h. The rider can be heard saying the motor wasn’t switched on at the time.


    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/end-damaging-conflation-of-e-bikes-modified-kits-mp-urges-the-bbc

    Wrong link?
    Yes - correct link:
    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/police-crush-road-legal-e-bike
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,883
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    My Mum taught both the Dynamite Kid and his cousin Davey Boy Smith (the British Bulldog).
    Geography not wrestling.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 8,023
    I’m getting excited

    I’m going to see Tuba Skinny at Ronnie Scott’s on Tuesday night

    They’re an awesome New Orleans band

    I Get The Blues

    https://youtu.be/hTainjvzeoI?is=HSsk32e_Pj76auPz
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 8,023
    edited 8:31PM
    Live music is the best thing
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,418
    edited 8:29PM
    Stuttering penalties are so crap.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,819
    I could have taken a better penalty than that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,397
    Mbappe :lol:
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,883

    HYUFD said:

    So Burnham is about to be crowned Labour leader by the vast majority of Labour MPs, thus ensuring he faces no contest. He will become the first PM since Gordon Brown to get the job without a leadership contest of any kind against rival candidates or first winning a general election, nor even rivals openly collecting nominations as Rishi did for a few days in later 2022 when Boris and Mordaunt were collecting signatures.

    It comes as a dramatic new PLMR poll has a post Starmer Labour surging to take first place on seats again with 217 MPs projected and Burnham also ironically helping save the Tories with 151 Conservative MPs projected, just ahead of Reform on 127 MPs forecast after tactical voting is factored in

    https://plmr.co.uk/theroadto2029/

    Relax HY - they are making a huge mistake.

    The problem with UK mayors compared to abroad, in UK they are mostly just glorified car park attendants, central government, the treasury, take more control of actual power all the time - the new Defence Investment Plan a perfect example. Mayors certainly spend and waste money - and Burnham has a back catalogue of mistakes, bad decisions and waste to be thrown at him. But Mayors never properly prove they generate additional money or get value for it like government ministers and PMs constantly have to. The difference between a mayor and being in a proper job in government, is chalk and cheese.

    The point I’m getting at here, at no time has Burnham ever been more popular than Starmer for PM - because how do you poll such a thing accurately when one is actually doing a proper job, the other a glorified car park attendant tucked away in a region or city most friendly to the party, spending other people’s money. Yet WOTN (the wanker from the north - Wankashire in fact, not an intelligent part of the north) his inane supporters were naff enough to quote such polling. No I’ll go much further than that, it’s the fact the whole Labour movement has bought into idea Burnhams government will be more popular with the electorate than Starmer’s. But here’s the bottom line - based on what? It’s not evidence based. It’s the most flawed understanding as you scratch beneath its surface.

    This is how we politics geeks - and very soon the whole rest of the nation - actually know Andy Burnham: it’s from the weirdo’s and no hopers he surrounds himself with - Useless Lucy, Lawbreaker Louise, Fruit Cake Clive Lewis, Milliband, Rayner, Red Ann Midgley. Forget my references to “Manc Mafia” - UK’s about to be governed by THE MUNSTERS.

    I have already called it correctly - this is exactly what is about to happen: it will soon be viewed as a horror show, because Team Burnham are just weird people and clueless second rate politicians. And - just like the US Democrats, who MUST shoulder the main responsibility for inflicting Trump 2.0 on the world becuase they also coronated without a proper test - Labour will massively regret not having a contest before handing over such massive power to a weird unlikeable clique in their party.
    So. Would you be willing to offer your second preference?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,819

    BBC reporting the latest strikes to isolate Crimea.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70yd1g67z5o

    This is something that was getting reported by a few here regularly but not making the mainstream news, but now seems to be more regularly on mainstream news too.

    I wonder if they've picked it up from here, or if we're potentially approaching some sort of culmination?

    36 ships taken out in 3 days is newsworthy in any conflict.

    Except perhaps the Gulf of Hormuz....
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,877
    So will Starmer go to the Palace tomorrow and hand in his lanyard?

    And if not, why not?

    "When the music stops it's time to leave the stage."

    (Another sunny, Friday morning, 29 years ago.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,288
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    England really have opened a can of whoop ass on the Indians in this series.

    A wrestling reference !!


    I was never into WWE.

    I preferred Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.
    Just shows how culturally influential it is that its catchphrases land with the public and stick.

    Giant Haystacks wrestled for their one time rivals, WCW

    A few of our wrestlers have been successes over there.

    I’m more AEW than WWE these days. Tony Khan is a great guy.
    My Mum taught both the Dynamite Kid and his cousin Davey Boy Smith (the British Bulldog).
    Geography not wrestling.
    Fantastic. What a story to tell. Both ended up in Calgary Stampede with the Hart family.

    Davey Boy’s son is a wrestler now. He will never be more than lower mid card.

    I listened to the Bret Hart audiobook. It’s brilliant. Neither come out well although Dynamite comes off as a really unpleasant and at the end very bitter piece of work. Drink and drugs. As a wrestler he was superb and even got over in Japan.

    Davey just comes over as a guy who cannot beat his addictions which eventually consumed him.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,932
    edited 8:34PM

    MattW said:

    A police training issue, and the problem with moral panics rather than thinking tings through.

    They have crushed another legal e-cycle (technically EAPC - Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle). This one was a Tern HSD, which was worth about £5.5k and are one of the best known brands in the UK. It had been funded by Birmingham Council to be part of a "hire for a month to try it out" scheme:

    However, the cycle was seized by West Midlands Police on New Street, in Birmingham city centre, and wrongly identified as what in law is an electric motorcycle, for which riders need a license and insurance. The rider was offered a Fixed Penalty Notice of £300 and six points on their license, or a court hearing.

    Body-worn camera footage from the police encounter with the rider, released by police and seen by Cycling Electric, shows an officer cranking the e-bike’s pedal with one hand, while the rear wheel is off the ground, thus removing any friction with a surface – and the speedometer registering what looks like 60km/h. The rider can be heard saying the motor wasn’t switched on at the time.


    https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/end-damaging-conflation-of-e-bikes-modified-kits-mp-urges-the-bbc

    If there is a case going to court, why have the police destroyed the evidence?
    The standard procedure aiui is that it is crushed after 2 weeks, and to get it reversed that quickly requires heavy intervention at senior level in a matter of days. It can be done, but would need perhaps MPs and specialist charities to weigh in, as the police will play a straight bat and hope you go away. I think the police see this as a numbers game, driven by an inchoate media panic - especially caused by use of the undefined, nebulous term "e-bike".

    So this action is about recovering unlawfully imposed losses after the fact, and would not be started until the EAPC had been crushed. It is as if the police had seized your car unlawfully and crushed it anyway.
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