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We are going to have a new Prime Minister in 12 days – politicalbetting.com

? NEW: Former armed forces minister Al Carns has finally ruled himself out of standing for the Labour leadership.He has told Sky's @cathynewman that he is backing Andy Burnham.Nominations in the contest open tomorrow.More here: https://t.co/K5nbWDuL0j pic.twitter.com/u32fX9ktF8

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,760
    edited 6:24PM
    Quite

    Edit: First like FIFA in a probity competition.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    Quite

    Edit: First like FIFA in a probity competition.

    You are first.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399
    First I've heard of this story, what happened to good old Keir?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    edited 6:26PM
    Yes I am aware of the irony of me criticising somebody else for having an ego and fantastical levels of self confidence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    That'll be Reform I believe.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399

    Quite

    Edit: First like FIFA in a probity competition.

    Self run competition I am assuming.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,211
    edited 6:31PM

    Quite

    Edit: First like FIFA in a probity competition.

    There has been a VAR check called...the ref is going over to the monitor....Trump is on the mobile....the ref is coming back....the decision has been overturned, myself as the IOC representive is in fact first, all previous posters have been disqualified and been banned for 87 threads.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,394

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Sounds like the Greens.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,258

    I really hope the people of the Manor of Northstead get a good service from their new Crown Steward and Bailiff.

    Do you think he knows that you don't actually get to profit from the role?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085

    I really hope the people of the Manor of Northstead get a good service from their new Crown Steward and Bailiff.

    Farage only has five houses. Maybe time to add to the portfolio.

    Where is it again?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Gotta be the Greens although too late now.

    Should have voted for them in 1980s.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    "The ipaper can reveal" being code for "the ipaper looked at Erskine May", which, sadly for my previous £300 investment, is now accessible online.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Gotta be the Greens although too late now.

    Should have voted for them in 1980s.
    I wasn't able to vote in the 1980s.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,394

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    No hats or armour so doubly disqualified.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,003

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    Like when Hangus the Monkey was elected as Mayor of (presumably) Hartlepool.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,184
    Just want to take this opportunity to apologise to Anabobazina for my heinous crime of erroneously suggesting that Rugby League have a GB team. I shall try and keep more up to date with largely irrelevant sports in future to avoid a repeat.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,760

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    The bloke who was elected dressed ad a monkey didn't govern dressed as a monkey.

    I would expect the bin man to do likewise.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,760

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Gotta be the Greens although too late now.

    Should have voted for them in 1980s.
    I wasn't able to vote in the 1980s.
    In prison?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Gotta be the Greens although too late now.

    Should have voted for them in 1980s.
    I wasn't able to vote in the 1980s.
    In prison?
    More to do with the fact I didn't become a teenager until the 1990s.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    The bloke who was elected dressed ad a monkey didn't govern dressed as a monkey.

    I would expect the bin man to do likewise.
    The question will not arise, but it is worth clearing up now just in case.

    What we need is a silly bit of polling showing Binface has a chance, to see if that shifts his behaviour at all - he's never had to keep up the gimmick as long as he will have to this summer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,075
    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085

    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar

    NEW: The Met Police has launched an investigation into a £40,000 donation to Robert Jenrick’s campaign to become Tory leader in 2024 after a referral from the elections watchdog @theipaper reveals.

    This follows a story by our @rowenamason
    in April that police were assessing claims it came from an overseas donor, following a referral from elections watchdog.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    Probably just as well, for Andy Burnham's sake.

    Today's best bit of news from Nato - Erdogan gave the other leaders each a revolver engraved with their name and a box of live rounds.

    But Starmer has had to leave his in Turkey to be decommissioned because, while Erdogan gave him a note waiving export controls, it's illegal to import into the UK.


    https://bsky.app/profile/cjmckeon.bsky.social/post/3mq5nttqebc2z
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,551
    Tomorrow is three years until parliament must be dissolved, someone posted on Twitter today.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,003
    Why did we have the last new Prime Minister? Why did Rishi call the July 2024 election? David Lammy announced this theory at (Deputy) PMQs today:-

    This is a very serious issue and the right hon. Gentleman [James Cleverly] is experienced in this House. He knows that while he was Home Secretary, the Conservative Government had an early release scheme that let out 10,000 offenders—10,000. They had six schemes within a year. They had a scheme that they announced on 6 June 2023, another scheme on 17 October 2023, another scheme on 8 March 2024, another in April, another in May and another in June—all before the election. That is why the right hon. Member for Richmond and Northallerton (Rishi Sunak), it is rumoured, called the election in the first place. They left a system with just 83 empty cells. That is what the previous Justice Secretary inherited when she came into office.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,557
    edited 6:46PM

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Will be in your part of the world in a few weeks time. Any recommendations for pubs/cafes for some hungry cyclists? (King Alfred's way + some South Downs).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399
    With all non-Reform people rolling in behind the count, I'm sure the strategy will be to push an 'establishment hates us' message for Reform, and there's some scope for that to play ok with the intended audience - maybe Clacton voters really will resent being taken for a joke, even though it was Farage who called a by-election for no reason - but it is still probably the right anti-Reform move purely because Farage likely hates being made fun of, certainly his Tory compatriots have zero sense of humour, and it's a sufficiently silly story to even get traction where Reform lives - with the american online right*.

    Sure, it may be 'the uniparty mocks democracy by standing a joke candidate against the mighty Farage', but it is still a blow to dignity to be constantly in pieces next to a middling comedian with a bin on his head.

    *though they much prefer Restore because Musk tell them to
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
    Don't need it to have fun and like most things it is probably too expensive to get totally pissed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085

    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399
    edited 6:57PM


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    Ben Stokes retirement video broke anti-corruption rules

    ECB in trouble with international game’s governing body as farewell speech was released from inside dressing room during Trent Bridge Test


    England have been accused of breaching rules related to Test cricket’s anti-corruption code by posting a video of Ben Stokes sharing news of his retirement to his team-mates.

    Stokes retired as England captain during the recent Trent Bridge Test, taking the highly unusual step of announcing the news when he was mid-spell.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board announced the news at 3.25pm, 15 minutes before tea on day four of the match, which Stokes’s team went on to lose heavily.

    Alongside the news, the ECB shared a video of Stokes telling his team-mates the news before play that morning.

    However, as reported by the BBC, this has resulted in the ECB being contacted in writing by the International Cricket Council about the video, which alleges that publishing the footage during play contravenes its standards for players’ and match officials’ areas (PMOA) at international matches.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2026/07/08/ben-stokes-retirement-video-broke-anti-corruption-rules/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085
    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    Was Binface's girlfriend expecting a summer holiday this year?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    TRUMP: And there's actually very little difference between the people. I mean, you know, it's like the Russians and Ukrainian people. And they can get along.
    —————————————————
    “We had a month…35,000 (KIA) two months ago. And I would say more Russians. But it's just, they're people. They're people. And there's actually very little difference between the people. I mean, you know, it's like the Russians and Ukrainian people. And they can get along. But, but it's a nasty war” - American President on Wed, Jul 8, 2026 in Ankara, Turkey, during the NATO Summit.

    P.S. Nothing triggers the average Ukrainian more than comparing them to russians.


    https://x.com/KaterynaLis/status/2074906310844231899
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085
    Marta Kostyuk: "I just plan to beat every single Russian I now have to face" [at the Olympics]

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,756
    kle4 said:

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
    Don't need it to have fun and like most things it is probably too expensive to get totally pissed.
    We're living in a new puritanical age aren't we.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,075

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
    It's not that. She knew lager, and had one herself.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,075
    kle4 said:

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
    Don't need it to have fun and like most things it is probably too expensive to get totally pissed.
    That's what boring people say.

    Young people should be getting pissed.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,075
    Eabhal said:

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Will be in your part of the world in a few weeks time. Any recommendations for pubs/cafes for some hungry cyclists? (King Alfred's way + some South Downs).
    God, not at the moment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,211
    I think this da yutt don't dirnk has been a bit overhyped. They drink differently. e.g. buzzballz are wildly popular as are things like hard Seltzers like White Claw. And often it is I want to get in great shape for the summer when I am going to go large, rather than every Fri/Sat/Sun night I am on the beers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,211
    edited 7:08PM
    I think this da yutt don't dirnk has been a bit overhyped. They drink differently. e.g. buzzballz are wildly popular as are things like hard Seltzers like White Claw. And often it is I want to get in great shape for the summer when I am going to go large, rather than every Fri/Sat/Sun night I am on the beers.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    Farage's problem is the boycott of all serious parties. Binface is the only thing stopping his stunt being North Korea. It would be hilarious if he lost to Binface - would be the end of him - but he won't. He will win by a large and completely irrelevant margin.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399
    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
    Don't need it to have fun and like most things it is probably too expensive to get totally pissed.
    We're living in a new puritanical age aren't we.
    I do agree with that, to a degree, but there is a difference between people just being more abstemious in general, and movements to forcibly restrict the choices of others or make it culturally taboo to do legal and pretty much harmless things.

    So I do not drink or smoke, but I would oppose killjoys making those and other things harder or more expensive as a means to forcing them to stop (smoking is disgusting, but if people want to just ban it overall they should do that rather than incremental half measures). If someone has a pint at lunch, what's the problem?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,075
    On the other hand, this pub has just stuck on some early Depeche Mode. So it's not all bad.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,872

    On the other hand, this pub has just stuck on some early Depeche Mode. So it's not all bad.

    And folk wonder why the youth won't drink?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085
    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085
    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,258
    FF43 said:

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    Farage's problem is the boycott of all serious parties. Binface is the only thing stopping his stunt being North Korea. It would be hilarious if he lost to Binface - would be the end of him - but he won't. He will win by a large and completely irrelevant margin.
    That's Farage's problem. There's a small risk of a fatal, humiliating defeat. But the best case scenario is a hollow, meaningless victory.

    What was he thinking?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,394

    Why did we have the last new Prime Minister? Why did Rishi call the July 2024 election? David Lammy announced this theory at (Deputy) PMQs today:-

    This is a very serious issue and the right hon. Gentleman [James Cleverly] is experienced in this House. He knows that while he was Home Secretary, the Conservative Government had an early release scheme that let out 10,000 offenders—10,000. They had six schemes within a year. They had a scheme that they announced on 6 June 2023, another scheme on 17 October 2023, another scheme on 8 March 2024, another in April, another in May and another in June—all before the election. That is why the right hon. Member for Richmond and Northallerton (Rishi Sunak), it is rumoured, called the election in the first place. They left a system with just 83 empty cells. That is what the previous Justice Secretary inherited when she came into office.

    One of many Heffalump traps set by the Tories in their scortched earth year.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,625

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    I've been wondering whether the Count Binface who turns up at by-elections all over the place is actually the same person every time.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,163
    edited 7:22PM
    kle4 said:

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    The bloke who was elected dressed ad a monkey didn't govern dressed as a monkey.

    I would expect the bin man to do likewise.
    The question will not arise, but it is worth clearing up now just in case.

    What we need is a silly bit of polling showing Binface has a chance, to see if that shifts his behaviour at all - he's never had to keep up the gimmick as long as he will have to this summer.
    Evening PB, and I was just thinking this.

    I exoect the main pollsters are already scrambling for it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399
    edited 7:19PM

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085

    FF43 said:

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    Farage's problem is the boycott of all serious parties. Binface is the only thing stopping his stunt being North Korea. It would be hilarious if he lost to Binface - would be the end of him - but he won't. He will win by a large and completely irrelevant margin.
    That's Farage's problem. There's a small risk of a fatal, humiliating defeat. But the best case scenario is a hollow, meaningless victory.

    What was he thinking?
    He's not anymore. He is obviously off his game. Who knows why. Exhausted? Burnt out? Terrified of actually becoming PM and doing the work?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399

    kle4 said:

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Young people don't drink alcohol these days.

    Friends of my age are utterly mystified by this, their kids just do not want to drink alcohol.
    Don't need it to have fun and like most things it is probably too expensive to get totally pissed.
    That's what boring people say.

    Young people should be getting pissed.
    I have no problem with young people getting pissed, not everyone needs to be as boring as I was at that age. I'm saying in part out of necessity and in part because of a wider array of options, they find ways to have fun which don't involve getting pissed.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,869
    kle4 said:

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
    Farage, who spends a huge amount of time in the US in the company of MAGA types, has adopted many of the practices and attitudes of the Trump crowd. And that includes the grift - although, in a nod towards British proprieties, he attempted to be rather less open about it than the Donald would have been.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    On the other hand, this pub has just stuck on some early Depeche Mode. So it's not all bad.

    Everything Counts!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,644

    What the f is wrong with young people today?

    I've just gone into a pub - admittedly it's in Aldershot - and asked if they had any real ale.

    They didn't. The English twenty-something bar lady said she didn't even know what that is.

    Why did you need to ask ?

    If there are hand pumps on the bar then they do, if there aren't any then they don't.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    I really hope the people of the Manor of Northstead get a good service from their new Crown Steward and Bailiff.

    Farage only has five houses. Maybe time to add to the portfolio.
    Establishment woes!
  • interestedinterested Posts: 52
    Sometimes I wonder we if really do have a financial challenge.

    I am a beneficiary of the British Coal staff pension scheme. Since set up the scheme has been underwritten by the government and the government has had the right to any surplus. The scheme is defined benefit and by most standards people’s is generous.

    The scheme has a large surplus as has the sister mine workers pension scheme.

    The government has recently agreed that billions of pounds of surplus from both could be distributed as enhanced benefits.

    Whilst I don’t begrudge the improved pension for me and my fellow beneficiaries I can’t help thinking this would be better spent on other priorities , defence for instance.

    I do wonder whether the government is taking fiscal management seriously.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,163
    edited 7:29PM
    "Reform UK is insisting that the Clacton by-election is 6th August - but the minimum number of days required between writ being moved and the by-election would suggest the earliest Thursday it can be held is 13th August. We will know soon enough tomorrow."

    Mid-August - you could hardly ask for a more perfect time for a silly-season result.
    .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    But that's just blatant racism against galactic space-lords!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,557
    Lowe has done Joe Rogan, FYI. He's already got a bit confused about where the Windrush generation came from but I'll continue listening...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,701
    edited 7:40PM
    Evening folks

    A question for the gathered braniacs, tangentially related to the Clacton byelection but not the politics.

    To resign his seat Farage took the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead. Up until he took it, the office was held by the second to last MP to resign with the last having taken the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Chiltern Hundreds.

    So far so good.

    But what happens if Farage then wins his seat back? Does the stewardship then remain vacant until the next resignation or does it revert to the last holder?

    And will the next resignation get Northstead or the Chiltern Hundreds.

    Completely unimportant I know, in the grand scheme of things, but these questions do nag at me so and seem so much more important than Binbrain vs Binface.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,945

    Evening folks

    A question for the gathered braniacs, tangentially related to the Clacton bt election but not the politics.

    To resign his seat Farage took the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead. Up until he took it the office was held by the second to last MP to resign with the last having taken the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Chiltern Hundreds.

    So far so good.

    But what happens if Farage then wins his seat back? Does the stewardship then remain vacant until the next resignation or does it revert to the last holder?

    And will the next resignation get Northstead or the Chiltern Hundreds.

    Completely unimportant I know in the grand scheme of things but these questions do nag at me so and seem so much more important than Binbrain vs Binface.

    The next resignation will be Chiltern Hundreds.

    AFAIK you can hold an office of profit as long as you were elected after appointment. If that has changed it has changed fairly recently. Those two were specifically designated as offices of profit when ministerial offices were exempted in the early 20th century so MPs could resign their seats without requiring either elevation to the peerage or suicide.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,399
    edited 7:45PM

    Evening folks

    A question for the gathered braniacs, tangentially related to the Clacton byelection but not the politics.

    To resign his seat Farage took the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead. Up until he took it, the office was held by the second to last MP to resign with the last having taken the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Chiltern Hundreds.

    So far so good.

    But what happens if Farage then wins his seat back? Does the stewardship then remain vacant until the next resignation or does it revert to the last holder?

    And will the next resignation get Northstead or the Chiltern Hundreds.

    Completely unimportant I know, in the grand scheme of things, but these questions do nag at me so and seem so much more important than Binbrain vs Binface.

    Each office is retained only until the Chancellor appoints another Member who wishes to retire, or until the holder applies for release from it.
    https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/section/5412/chiltern-hundreds-and-manor-of-northstead

    So I think that means someone technically holds the office until the next resignation, or in this case Farage would, as a legal fiction at least, need to be released from the office before taking up office as an MP again after winning the by-election.

    So just as someone can say 'I retire' and it is treated as a request to be appointed, winning the by-election would be treated as asking to be released from the office.

    Typically they appoint the crown offices alternately.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,394
    Eabhal said:

    Lowe has done Joe Rogan, FYI. He's already got a bit confused about where the Windrush generation came from but I'll continue listening...

    Jamaicans were British until 1962 I think.

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,548
    edited 7:50PM

    kle4 said:

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
    Farage, who spends a huge amount of time in the US in the company of MAGA types, has adopted many of the practices and attitudes of the Trump crowd. And that includes the grift - although, in a nod towards British proprieties, he attempted to be rather less open about it than the Donald would have been.
    His acolytes are if anything more down the Trumpian rabbit hole than he is. Tice pulls it off like a pro, with echoes of JD. He’s the most natural and effortless Trumpian of the lot. Jenrick is really trying to out-MAGA MAGA with his recent appearances. Matt Goodwin now talks like he asked his favourite LLM to script talking points in the style of MAGA.

    Will going full Trump work electorally here as it - marginally, let’s remember - has done in the USA? I hope not. But strongman populism has a long, bloody history of success on every continent (well, to be fair excluding Antarctica unless you count Amundsen).
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,378
    kle4 said:

    Evening folks

    A question for the gathered braniacs, tangentially related to the Clacton byelection but not the politics.

    To resign his seat Farage took the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead. Up until he took it, the office was held by the second to last MP to resign with the last having taken the office of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Chiltern Hundreds.

    So far so good.

    But what happens if Farage then wins his seat back? Does the stewardship then remain vacant until the next resignation or does it revert to the last holder?

    And will the next resignation get Northstead or the Chiltern Hundreds.

    Completely unimportant I know, in the grand scheme of things, but these questions do nag at me so and seem so much more important than Binbrain vs Binface.

    Each office is retained only until the Chancellor appoints another Member who wishes to retire, or until the holder applies for release from it.
    https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/section/5412/chiltern-hundreds-and-manor-of-northstead

    So I think that means someone technically holds the office until the next resignation, or in this case Farage would, as a legal fiction at least, need to be released from the office before taking up office as an MP again after winning the by-election.

    So just as someone can say 'I retire' and it is treated as a request to be appointed, winning the by-election would be treated as asking to be released from the office.

    Typically they appoint the crown offices alternately.
    You can hold an office of profit *and* be an MP. The rule used to be that newly appointed Cabinet ministers had to resign as MPs, but could continue to hold the office of Secretary of State after winning the by-election.

    So Farage continues until the second-next MP wishes to resign
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,378

    "Reform UK is insisting that the Clacton by-election is 6th August - but the minimum number of days required between writ being moved and the by-election would suggest the earliest Thursday it can be held is 13th August. We will know soon enough tomorrow."

    Mid-August - you could hardly ask for a more perfect time for a silly-season result.
    .

    Doesn't have to be a Thursday
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,551

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Pretty sure being an MEP who wants to take his own country out of the EU is at least in some senses anti-establishment.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,574
    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    Lowe has done Joe Rogan, FYI. He's already got a bit confused about where the Windrush generation came from but I'll continue listening...

    She came here in the Empire Windrush.

    Jamaica?

    No, she was a volunteer.
    My favourite joke of that genre:

    My wife's gone on a canoeing trip in Poole Harbour.
    In Dorset?
    Yes, she'd recommend it to absolutely anybody.
    Do you know why there's a Poole in Dorset?



    Because there's a Leek in Staffordshire....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,756

    On the other hand, this pub has just stuck on some early Depeche Mode. So it's not all bad.

    Get The Balance Right. The group's plaintive cry for a more tolerant political environment.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,378
    AnneJGP said:

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    I've been wondering whether the Count Binface who turns up at by-elections all over the place is actually the same person every time.
    I'm not sure it matters, it is presumably the same name on the nomination papers.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,945
    edited 8:01PM
    kle4 said:

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
    The point is it's nearly impossible to remove Trump. There are so many mechanisms and hoops to jump through that even though he's a traitor and whatever it is he's suffering from (be that dementia, Alzheimer's, PCA) is advancing so fast even JD Vance has apparently noticed it, it's damn near impossible to do anything about it.

    Here, Farage can be removed in under an hour by a simple vote. And convicted by a bog-standard court if he ever acted like Trump, even while in office (although he'd be out of office faster than Trump drops his trousers in the presence of beauty pageant contestants if he had his collar felt).

    The structural difference is very important. The President is effectively the monarch of America while in office. The Prime Minister is ultimately less secure in office than the average junior typist.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 1,076

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Just get air con ffs, you're not impecunious.

    The way people umm and ahhh about this in this country mystifies me. You need it right now in County Durham, how southerners can cope I have no clue at all.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Just get air con ffs, you're not impecunious.

    The way people umm and ahhh about this in this country mystifies me. You need it right now in County Durham, how southerners can cope I have no clue at all.
    I have aircon.

    The two min walk from the taxi rank to the platforms at St Pancras and I was drenched.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,945

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    Lowe has done Joe Rogan, FYI. He's already got a bit confused about where the Windrush generation came from but I'll continue listening...

    She came here in the Empire Windrush.

    Jamaica?

    No, she was a volunteer.
    My favourite joke of that genre:

    My wife's gone on a canoeing trip in Poole Harbour.
    In Dorset?
    Yes, she'd recommend it to absolutely anybody.
    Do you know why there's a Poole in Dorset?



    Because there's a Leek in Staffordshire....
    Why are there so many waterfalls en route?

    There are Stones all the way down.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 1,076

    I will vote for whichever party abolishes heatwaves.

    Just get air con ffs, you're not impecunious.

    The way people umm and ahhh about this in this country mystifies me. You need it right now in County Durham, how southerners can cope I have no clue at all.
    I have aircon.

    The two min walk from the taxi rank to the platforms at St Pancras and I was drenched.
    I feel you - am in London for a week each month and our London office is in Euston, and last time it was during the last heatwave. The solution is hire scooters. Zero exercise at all and a breeze of sorts. Best way to get around fosho.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,003
    edited 8:05PM

    kle4 said:

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
    Farage, who spends a huge amount of time in the US in the company of MAGA types, has adopted many of the practices and attitudes of the Trump crowd. And that includes the grift - although, in a nod towards British proprieties, he attempted to be rather less open about it than the Donald would have been.
    Is that right? Farage seems from what we know so far to be a taker rather than maker of dodgy money, accepting gifts from rich friends, so perhaps Boris or Peter Mandelson would be truer comparisons. Farage has, so far as we have been told, accepted money and other freebies from rich friends, rather than have actively engineered money-making opportunities. For instance, it was Posh George who made a packet shorting sterling after the Brexit vote, and not Farage, even though he would accept freebies from him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,582
    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,548

    kle4 said:

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
    Farage, who spends a huge amount of time in the US in the company of MAGA types, has adopted many of the practices and attitudes of the Trump crowd. And that includes the grift - although, in a nod towards British proprieties, he attempted to be rather less open about it than the Donald would have been.
    Is that right? Farage seems from what we know so far to be a taker rather than maker of dodgy money, accepting gifts from rich friends, so perhaps Boris or Peter Mandelson would be truer comparisons. Farage has, so far as we have been told, accepted money and other freebies from rich friends, rather than have actively engineered money-making opportunities. For instance, it was Posh George who made a packet shorting sterling after the Brexit vote, and not Farage, even though he would accept freebies from him.
    Yes, that seems the case. A popular object of philanthropy by some unsavoury characters. He’s “their guy”. Quite a common model in the oligarchical post-Soviet societies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,394

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    Nah, Binface isn't hilarious, barely worth a chuckle.

    The farce of the byelection is hilarious though.

    I do wonder if Farage will actually chicken out and not stand. It stops the parliamentary disciplinary. He perhaps might stand again at the GE "having cleared his name"
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,625

    AnneJGP said:

    Breaking: @CountBinface would not be able to sit in the House of Commons wearing his signature space-warrior costume in the unlikely event he wins the Clacton by-election against Nigel Farage, the @theipaper can reveal.

    The House of Commons operates under a mixture of standing orders, precedent and the Speaker’s authority, and MPs are expected to wear “business-like attire” in the Chamber.

    Parliamentary guidance says clothing should demonstrate respect for the House, and that uniforms, large slogan-bearing items and other forms of demonstrative dress are generally not considered in order.

    Members who show “flagrant disrespect” in their manner of dress can be asked to withdraw from the Chamber, and the Speaker may refuse to call them to speak.


    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2074855535292141924

    I've been wondering whether the Count Binface who turns up at by-elections all over the place is actually the same person every time.
    I'm not sure it matters, it is presumably the same name on the nomination papers.
    Idle curiosity, thank you.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,595

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    That he’s been taken seriously at all, a candidate who perennially stands in every election he can, shows how desperate this stunt by Farage is. Making an enemy out of f ‘in Count Binface FFS. Joke.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,582

    kle4 said:

    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    In the U.S. this type of attack on Trump propelled him forward, you guys never learn. People hate the establishment,media & professional politicians!

    Narrator: Farage has been in politics since being elected to the EU parliament in 1999.

    That's over twenty five years of being a full time professional politician.

    Trump lovers (and the comment shows that must be what Banks is) are so obsessed with him they insist on making comparisons to him for everyone and everything.

    Look, i don't like Farage, and he has tried to curry favour with Trump for a long time, but he really is not very Trumpian in style and history. He dabbles in blame all the media, yes he has been a political outsider, but he's not a major figure outside politics seeking to disrupt it, he's had a decades long approach of influencing mainstream debate, edging forward, and is surrounded by firmly 'normal' political figures because he has kicked out the bigger radicals and loonies because they were too out there.

    He is not a Trump, even if opponents often reach for that comparison because he obviously likes and supports Trump.

    So whether or not 'mocking' him is a good strategy or not, the situation is more complex than just 'they mocked Trump and it failed, they mocked Farage and it will fail for the same reason'.

    As a good book once said, this is not america. Farage could not get away with half the stuff Trump has said or done because our political culture is not the same.
    Farage, who spends a huge amount of time in the US in the company of MAGA types, has adopted many of the practices and attitudes of the Trump crowd. And that includes the grift - although, in a nod towards British proprieties, he attempted to be rather less open about it than the Donald would have been.
    Is that right? Farage seems from what we know so far to be a taker rather than maker of dodgy money, accepting gifts from rich friends, so perhaps Boris or Peter Mandelson would be truer comparisons. Farage has, so far as we have been told, accepted money and other freebies from rich friends, rather than have actively engineered money-making opportunities. For instance, it was Posh George who made a packet shorting sterling after the Brexit vote, and not Farage, even though he would accept freebies from him.
    He is also not in power. He has influence, but no power to award contracts or change laws.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,163
    edited 8:22PM
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    Nah, Binface isn't hilarious, barely worth a chuckle.

    The farce of the byelection is hilarious though.

    I do wonder if Farage will actually chicken out and not stand. It stops the parliamentary disciplinary. He perhaps might stand again at the GE "having cleared his name"
    Indeed, the idea of Binface winning over Farage, is much funnier than the Binface act itself. This is why he actualy has a chance of winning.

    Mid-August and a low turnout it will be.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,074

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    From the post I saw (I may have missed a different post) you weren't 'called out' for that. Someone contrasted your missing sense of humour about the situation as a whole with Sandpit's obvious merriment.

    I think that point stands; I would hope that even if someone I admired pulled the stunt Farage has attempted over the past 24 hours, I'd be able to manage a wry chuckle at said stunt backfiring so spectacularly that they ended up debating a Bin for a month or so.

    Whether or not said Bin is hilarious is entirely beside the point right now.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,944

    TRUMP: And there's actually very little difference between the people. I mean, you know, it's like the Russians and Ukrainian people. And they can get along.
    —————————————————
    “We had a month…35,000 (KIA) two months ago. And I would say more Russians. But it's just, they're people. They're people. And there's actually very little difference between the people. I mean, you know, it's like the Russians and Ukrainian people. And they can get along. But, but it's a nasty war” - American President on Wed, Jul 8, 2026 in Ankara, Turkey, during the NATO Summit.

    P.S. Nothing triggers the average Ukrainian more than comparing them to russians.


    https://x.com/KaterynaLis/status/2074906310844231899

    Even by his own dismal standards today was a doozy. There's going to come a point where even if he's still ticking and in office, they have to start hiding him and most of his statements will be recorded.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,355
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    Nah, Binface isn't hilarious, barely worth a chuckle.

    The farce of the byelection is hilarious though.

    I do wonder if Farage will actually chicken out and not stand. It stops the parliamentary disciplinary. He perhaps might stand again at the GE "having cleared his name"
    I suppose it depends whether his backers want him as an MP and Reform leader for the next few years or are happy for him to be outside Parliament with the intent of standing at next GE.
    It would weaken his position in the party but I'm not sure what other downsides there are.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,074
    edited 8:27PM
    Dopermean said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    Nah, Binface isn't hilarious, barely worth a chuckle.

    The farce of the byelection is hilarious though.

    I do wonder if Farage will actually chicken out and not stand. It stops the parliamentary disciplinary. He perhaps might stand again at the GE "having cleared his name"
    I suppose it depends whether his backers want him as an MP and Reform leader for the next few years or are happy for him to be outside Parliament with the intent of standing at next GE.
    It would weaken his position in the party but I'm not sure what other downsides there are.
    Yes I do wonder whether Farage being elected as an MP has overall been a net negative for him (harder to present himself as an outsider, perhaps causes the disgruntled to turn to Regress etc).

    However, enjoyable as this farce is, I'd feel for the residents of Clacton if they were left holding the Bin, so to speak, with no option but the Count to represent them.

    The current situation is enjoyably farcical, becoming hilarious if Clacton chooses Binface. A by-election with Binface standing alone makes a mockery of democracy imo, and becomes something much less funny.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,708
    edited 8:34PM

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.

    kle4 said:


    Raheem J. Kassam
    @RaheemKassam

    [Binface is] an establishment luvvie sent to try to undermine the aspirations of people who vote for right wing candidates or parties.

    https://x.com/RaheemKassam/status/2074895729177264448


    Not sure Reform really want to throw former Breitbart News editor Kassam into this one if we are asking who people really are?

    My advice to Reform would be to respond to the Binface thing by saying that 'It may be a joke to the other parties, but democracy is not a joke to us'. It's silly and meaningless in context, but it presents as taking the high road.

    Going after Binface for not being funny (matter of opinion, I'm sure he's fine in small doses but probably not an entire campaign), or being an establishment stooge (which is just silly - being a middle of the road safe parody candidate hardly makes him some uniparty agent), makes them look angry and that they are taking him seriously, which is what the Count wants.

    Yes people can give advice to parties they don't support.
    I was 'called out' for not finding Binface hilarious earlier.

    I find things hilarious until I think I am being obliged to find them hilarious. Then they can piss off.
    It really doesn't matter what you, or anybody else, thinks of Count Binface. The only reason he's being discussed is that Farage has propelled him into the news, albeit inadvertently.

    Count Binface was an insignificant adjunct to previous by-elections. Farage has prompted him to become less insignificant. But we shouldn't take a bit of fun too seriously.
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