"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
This one had me thinking. Normally refugees have neither the 'right to work' or the 'right to rent' - unless they have been granted refugee status i.e. have been confirmed as genuine refugees. Once given the 'right to work' they need to be economically active and TW must be canvassing for skills within the refugee cohort. There are definitely a lot of skills there, from my experience.
This then begs the question which no doubt the usual suspects will raise such as :
* are they simply economic migrants hiding among refugees * are they stealing jobs that the domestic population could do * are they just here for the benefits (a high proportion of those on benefits are in work)
People will have their own views. The main issue though is that in a nation bound by the rule of law (one assumes) once their status has been confirmed, they are here legally for work and accommodation purposes. Unless of course you do something on a bus you shouldn't.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
This one had me thinking. Normally refugees have neither the 'right to work' or the 'right to rent' - unless they have been granted refugee status i.e. have been confirmed as genuine refugees. Once given the 'right to work' they need to be economically active and TW must be canvassing for skills within the refugee cohort. There are definitely a lot of skills there, from my experience.
This then begs the question which no doubt the usual suspects will raise such as :
* are they simply economic migrants hiding among refugees * are they stealing jobs that the domestic population could do * are they just here for the benefits (a high proportion of those on benefits are in work)
People will have their own views. The main issue though is that in a nation bound by the rule of law (one assumes) once their status has been confirmed, they are here legally for work and accommodation purposes. Unless of course you do something on a bus you shouldn't.
People complain about refugees not making an adequate economic contribution. Then when somebody does something to try to help them overcome the additional hurdles they face so they can make that economic contribution, the same people shout and scream about that too.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I don't agree with discrimination of any description, positive or negative. The narrative of white, heterosexual men being disadvantaged by positive discrimination remains largely untrue in my opinion. Doubtless you could find me one or two examples, but by and large I would rather take my chances with figures of authority as a white, heterosexual male than I would anyone else.
I know the weather forecast is awful but the number of empty seats at Lords is startling.
Because people know what the weather forecast is, and there's lots of things to do just outside the ground at Lords. It isn't usual to sit in your seat for a long time when you know there won't be any play soon.
To be honest I wouldn't have bothered going today given the forecast. And in fact, given the overnight and early morning rain, and having been out and about in Central London since 11AM, I'm amazed there has been any play at all today. I didn't even bother to check the score as I just assumed there was no play.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
This one had me thinking. Normally refugees have neither the 'right to work' or the 'right to rent' - unless they have been granted refugee status i.e. have been confirmed as genuine refugees. Once given the 'right to work' they need to be economically active and TW must be canvassing for skills within the refugee cohort. There are definitely a lot of skills there, from my experience.
This then begs the question which no doubt the usual suspects will raise such as :
* are they simply economic migrants hiding among refugees * are they stealing jobs that the domestic population could do * are they just here for the benefits (a high proportion of those on benefits are in work)
People will have their own views. The main issue though is that in a nation bound by the rule of law (one assumes) once their status has been confirmed, they are here legally for work and accommodation purposes. Unless of course you do something on a bus you shouldn't.
People complain about refugees not making an adequate economic contribution. Then when somebody does something to try to help them overcome the additional hurdles they face so they can make that economic contribution, the same people shout and scream about that too.
It's similar to the complaints about them not speaking English. And then protests about English classes.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
War and Peace is number 6. So people really have finished reading it?!
Not a lot of laughs in that list. In general, to my slight frustration, people seem to devalue things which make them laugh. But being genuinely funny at the same time as doing creativity should be genuinely impressive. This is also true of poetry and pop music.
That's a bit harsh: I'm genuinely fond of @williamglenn.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
No you won't!
Correcting an injustice might make those who benefitted from it agrieved, but it doesn't make them victims.
Treating people discriminated against by the system doesn't mean punishing those who had benefitetd from it.
I'd be up set if a car iIbought turned out to be stolen and had to be returned to it's owner, but I wouldn't blame them or say I should be allowed to keep it.
Nor if I had no idea it was stolen would I be prosecuted.
When we abolished slavery we compensated Slave owners not Slaves.
Apparently the logic being that the slaves were benefitting from their fredom, but the owners were losing their right to own other people and would have to pay people instead.
We sort of thought Slavery was a one of fee as opposed to paying in instalments.
The idea that white people are losing out because others are being treated just like them is just bizarre!
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
If correct, that is illegal, but it's the Telegraph. I don't have access to the report so I can't see how the headline might have misrepresented it. You can 'welcome applications' from certain groups, but no more than that.
A construction worker has found a time capsule from 1964 featuring four old English coins and a "spooky" letter telling him to use the money for a horse-racing bet.
The note, discovered underneath a statue in Crystal Palace Park in south London, said the money had been the winnings from a bet on a horse named Santa Claus in the Epsom Derby, and that its finder should use it to bet on a horse with a name that could be "associated with 'Santa Claus'". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5pgqmp1p8o
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
If correct, that is illegal, but it's the Telegraph. I don't have access to the report so I can't see how the headline might have misrepresented it. You can 'welcome applications' from certain groups, but no more than that.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
War and Peace is number 6. So people really have finished reading it?!
Not a lot of laughs in that list. In general, to my slight frustration, people seem to devalue things which make them laugh. But being genuinely funny at the same time as doing creativity should be genuinely impressive. This is also true of poetry and pop music.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
This one had me thinking. Normally refugees have neither the 'right to work' or the 'right to rent' - unless they have been granted refugee status i.e. have been confirmed as genuine refugees. Once given the 'right to work' they need to be economically active and TW must be canvassing for skills within the refugee cohort. There are definitely a lot of skills there, from my experience.
This then begs the question which no doubt the usual suspects will raise such as :
* are they simply economic migrants hiding among refugees * are they stealing jobs that the domestic population could do * are they just here for the benefits (a high proportion of those on benefits are in work)
People will have their own views. The main issue though is that in a nation bound by the rule of law (one assumes) once their status has been confirmed, they are here legally for work and accommodation purposes. Unless of course you do something on a bus you shouldn't.
People complain about refugees not making an adequate economic contribution. Then when somebody does something to try to help them overcome the additional hurdles they face so they can make that economic contribution, the same people shout and scream about that too.
It's similar to the complaints about them not speaking English. And then protests about English classes.
But I thought they're eager to escape France across the Channel because they "can" speak English!
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Livia was the absolute star, even more in the book than she was in the TV series. What a character.
One of the games Ukrainian telegram accounts are playing now is counting the cars in videos of queues for fuel stations in Crimea. The highest I've seen claimed is 286 cars in a queue.
I guess if people are still bothering to queue for fuel then there's still some fuel available - but for how much longer?
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I don't agree with discrimination of any description, positive or negative. The narrative of white, heterosexual men being disadvantaged by positive discrimination remains largely untrue in my opinion. Doubtless you could find me one or two examples, but by and large I would rather take my chances with figures of authority as a white, heterosexual male than I would anyone else.
But this is about individuals. It is active discrimination against a set of individuals based on the colour of their skin, their gender and their sexuality. So yes, those white heterosexual males are bring disadvantaged. In any other examples of race or sexuality this would be illegal.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
How is going from 31 MSPs to 12 in Scotland one of the Tories' "better results"?
As most of those were list seats going Reform, in terms of FPTP seats the Tories only lost 1 Holyrood constituency seat, Eastwood. As I said the Tories also got a higher voteshare in Scotland than in Wales.
In London the Tories even made net gains on FPTP council seats despite significant loss of council seats elsewhere in England.
So ironically the Kemi Tories are now performing best in Remain areas like London and Scotland because Reform are weaker there and where their opponents are Labour or the SNP not the LDs, where they are collapsing is in strong Leave areas Boris won which are electing Reform
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Livia was the absolute star, even more in the book than she was in the TV series. What a character.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Livia was the absolute star, even more in the book than she was in the TV series. What a character.
She reminds me very much of my wife.
As far as her virtues, obviously. My wife doesn't murder quite as many people as Livia.
"Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces launched a mass overnight strike on June 5 against a deployment site of Russia’s 90th Engineer-Sapper Regiment in occupied Pionerske, Donetsk region. The unit was involved in mining and building the Surovikin Line in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia sectors, and carried out engineer tasks near Bakhmut and Avdiivka. Trucks, logistics sites and substations also burned, including toward Mariupol port."
There's been quite a few of these attacks by Ukraine on Russian units far behind the front line recently. Another sign, along with the attacks on Russian logistics, of Ukraine's growing middle-range strike capacity, and the inability of Russia to find a way to counter it.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
After historical allegations, which he denies. He lives in Theydon Bois. Met him once, quite a character and the only billionaire I have met though he did like young ladies but given how he initially made his money no surprise there
Hard to knock what he did for Birmingham City FC
Bought us in early 90s on a day bailiffs we're literally locking the gates, invested, went down, reinvested, rebuilt 75% of the ground, got Barry Fry in, quids for a quid 27000 on a Monday night for lower league Cup game.
Bought it Trevor Francis, then Steve Bruce, League Cup final as EFL club v Liverpool robbed by David Ellary from a great win. 4th play off, season saw promoted to PL
4 great seasons dominated the Vile, got relegated promoted right back..
Dugarry signing a master stroke.
He shot from the hip never popular with fans, David Gold was though.
Lost interest got involved in horse racing.
Sold us to a Chinese moneylaunderer hairdresser who got sentenced in HK he sold us to feck knows who.. Cambodian, Vietnamese money launderers who would issue and buy shares to prop up hid knows what.
Thankfully some very genuine Yanks came in
All started with Sullivan but his wealth creation methods were always questionable too.
Perfect summary.
I think you’re right too. He was never loved at the Blues but the Golds were and when one sadly died a lot of Blues Twitter were very effusive in their praise
Dugarry, brilliant then he got a long term contract and phoned it in before leaving.
I think Dugarrys knees were shot.
His 2002 Easter Monday performance v Southampton was not on this planet... Outstanding.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I don't agree with discrimination of any description, positive or negative. The narrative of white, heterosexual men being disadvantaged by positive discrimination remains largely untrue in my opinion. Doubtless you could find me one or two examples, but by and large I would rather take my chances with figures of authority as a white, heterosexual male than I would anyone else.
But this is about individuals. It is active discrimination against a set of individuals based on the colour of their skin, their gender and their sexuality. So yes, those white heterosexual males are bring disadvantaged. In any other examples of race or sexuality this would be illegal.
But the likes of Farage are selling a narrative that in general white men are being disadvantaged to the benefit of non white men. Clearly on ocassion it happens. I would argue it happened to Henry Nowak. That shouldn't have been the case. I would hope that the error was not the system but the individual policeman. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
"Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces launched a mass overnight strike on June 5 against a deployment site of Russia’s 90th Engineer-Sapper Regiment in occupied Pionerske, Donetsk region. The unit was involved in mining and building the Surovikin Line in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia sectors, and carried out engineer tasks near Bakhmut and Avdiivka. Trucks, logistics sites and substations also burned, including toward Mariupol port."
There's been quite a few of these attacks by Ukraine on Russian units far behind the front line recently. Another sign, along with the attacks on Russian logistics, of Ukraine's growing middle-range strike capacity, and the inability of Russia to find a way to counter it.
Russia has a way to end these strikes immediately.
Withdraw out of Crimea and the Donbas, pull back to their own border and end the war.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
So, you are in the two wrongs make a right camp. Great. Good to know where we stand. 👍
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
It's not like that. You are allowed to ensure that disadvantaged groups are invited to interview (aka "positive action"), but you are not legally allowed to prevent advantaged groups from getting the job offer if they are the best candidate (aka "positive discrimination"). Iirc there are exceptions to the latter (is this one of them?) but as a general rule it's not legal.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Thames Water are looking for workers from countries that have unsafe water, Cholera and Dysentery. They want workers who will be used to Thames Water’s current standards.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
You do talk nonsense
Burnham is marching into no 10 and then it is the Andy v Kemi show all the way to GE 29
I am sure you will still post your anti Kemi garbage all the way
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
It's not like that. You are allowed to ensure that disadvantaged groups are invited to interview (aka "positive action"), but you are not legally allowed to prevent advantaged groups from getting the job offer if they are the best candidate (aka "positive discrimination"). Iirc there are exceptions to the latter (is this one of them?) but as a general rule it's not legal.
If the scheme in question has crossed a line and broken the law, then it should certainly be stopped and questions asked about how that happened. The society we live in continues to advantage white middle class men and I applaud the NAO taking legal action to create greater fairness.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
She will indeed respond that way, 500 votes must be beyond her wildest expectations now because Survation have the Tories in Makerfield polling at 0.7%. So they're on course for 500 votes provided that each and every elector votes twice. Interesting that nearly as many 2024 Tories are recorded as switching to Burnham as to Reform.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
She will indeed respond that way, 500 votes must be beyond her wildest expectations now because Survation have the Tories in Makerfield polling at 0.7%. So they're on course for 500 votes provided that each and every elector votes twice. Interesting that nearly as many 2024 Tories are recorded as switching to Burnham as to Reform.
If the Tories win Aberdeen South they won't care less about Makerfield where they have never been in contention anyway
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
She will indeed respond that way, 500 votes must be beyond her wildest expectations now because Survation have the Tories in Makerfield polling at 0.7%. So they're on course for 500 votes provided that each and every elector votes twice. Interesting that nearly as many 2024 Tories are recorded as switching to Burnham as to Reform.
I would vote for Burnham as the best way to beat Reform and end Starmer's Premiership
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
Bollocks. Palestinians' attitude was exactly the same - destroy Israel - before Netanyahu came along.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
She will indeed respond that way, 500 votes must be beyond her wildest expectations now because Survation have the Tories in Makerfield polling at 0.7%. So they're on course for 500 votes provided that each and every elector votes twice. Interesting that nearly as many 2024 Tories are recorded as switching to Burnham as to Reform.
If the Tories win Aberdeen South they won't care less about Makerfield where they have never been in contention anyway
And yet they won more than a third of the votes there not 7 years ago.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Graves wrote a number of historical novels. From his point of view, they paid the bills while his real vocation was poetry qnd he did, indeed, write some beautiful lyric poetry. If you're ever in Majorca, it's well worth visiting his house in Deya. One of the best, and most evocative, small museums I have ever visited.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
She will indeed respond that way, 500 votes must be beyond her wildest expectations now because Survation have the Tories in Makerfield polling at 0.7%. So they're on course for 500 votes provided that each and every elector votes twice. Interesting that nearly as many 2024 Tories are recorded as switching to Burnham as to Reform.
If the Tories win Aberdeen South they won't care less about Makerfield where they have never been in contention anyway
And yet they won more than a third of the votes there not 7 years ago.
Aberdeen might be the most southerly seat they hold in 2029
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
The details of my life are quite inconsequential...
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving corner shop owner from Zanzibar with low-grade lethargy and a penchant for psephology. My mother was a 20-year-old newsreader named Gargi with gap-teeth.
My father would plagiarize; he would snigger. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the opinion poll. Sometimes, he would accuse free-range eggs of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the insane possess and the genius lament...
My childhood was typical: summers in Penarth... sudoku lessons... In the spring, we'd make Quorn helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a Sinclair C5 and beaten with Tory Party leaflets - pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first Coelacanth.
At the age of 14, a Bristolian named Brenda ritualistically shaved my buttocks. There really is nothing like a shorn bottom - it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it!
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
AIUI
Malkinson was primarily a victim of state indifference to its arrogance and incompetence.
The rape was malevolent.
I find it difficult not to equate them in their wider context.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
Nice victim blaming there.
Hamas are evil and their evil long preceded Netanyahu returning to power.
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
I’m still annoyed about an interview with Lammy the other morning about this where firstly he was asked about the fairness of Malkinson having to pay for his experts and legal advice out of his settlement and he waffled and eventually said he would have to look into the situation (how he doesn’t have it etched in his brain is beyond me) and then the Today interviewer failed to follow up with what is surely the crux of this by asking him whether he can say straight that anyone who is a victim of a miscarriage of justice should not be financially damaged in any way.
I remember Alex Chalk being asked, on the same subject when Justice Minister, absolutely unequivocally saying that Malkinson and similar should not be financially punished.
It’s surely as clear as daylight that if the state makes an error which costs you your freedom, reputation, sanity, life of freedom then any costs incurred whether board and lodging or legal and associated costs to prove the failure by the state should be borne by the state.
I cannot understand why Lammy could not just say, this is a disgrace and we are drafting legislation to ensure that nobody shall be charged anything relating to a false conviction. I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who would not think this is appropriate so why can a politician not just fix it.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Graves wrote a number of historical novels. From his point of view, they paid the bills while his real vocation was poetry qnd he did, indeed, write some beautiful lyric poetry. If you're ever in Majorca, it's well worth visiting his house in Deya. One of the best, and most evocative, small museums I have ever visited.
Another in the list of those best known for what they didn’t consider their best work, like Tove Jansson and William Moulton Marston.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
The details of my life are quite inconsequential...
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving corner shop owner from Zanzibar with low-grade lethargy and a penchant for psephology. My mother was a 20-year-old newsreader named Gargi with gap-teeth.
My father would plagiarize; he would snigger. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the opinion poll. Sometimes, he would accuse free-range eggs of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the insane possess and the genius lament...
My childhood was typical: summers in Penarth... sudoku lessons... In the spring, we'd make Quorn helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a Sinclair C5 and beaten with Tory Party leaflets - pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first Coelacanth.
At the age of 14, a Bristolian named Brenda ritualistically shaved my buttocks. There really is nothing like a shorn bottom - it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it!
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
I’m still annoyed about an interview with Lammy the other morning about this where firstly he was asked about the fairness of Malkinson having to pay for his experts and legal advice out of his settlement and he waffled and eventually said he would have to look into the situation (how he doesn’t have it etched in his brain is beyond me) and then the Today interviewer failed to follow up with what is surely the crux of this by asking him whether he can say straight that anyone who is a victim of a miscarriage of justice should not be financially damaged in any way.
I remember Alex Chalk being asked, on the same subject when Justice Minister, absolutely unequivocally saying that Malkinson and similar should not be financially punished.
It’s surely as clear as daylight that if the state makes an error which costs you your freedom, reputation, sanity, life of freedom then any costs incurred whether board and lodging or legal and associated costs to prove the failure by the state should be borne by the state.
I cannot understand why Lammy could not just say, this is a disgrace and we are drafting legislation to ensure that nobody shall be charged anything relating to a false conviction. I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who would not think this is appropriate so why can a politician not just fix it.
If the government prosecutes you, you hire a lawyer and you are found innocent, who pays your lawyer?
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
The details of my life are quite inconsequential...
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving corner shop owner from Zanzibar with low-grade lethargy and a penchant for psephology. My mother was a 20-year-old newsreader named Gargi with gap-teeth.
My father would plagiarize; he would snigger. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the opinion poll. Sometimes, he would accuse free-range eggs of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the insane possess and the genius lament...
My childhood was typical: summers in Penarth... sudoku lessons... In the spring, we'd make Quorn helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a Sinclair C5 and beaten with Tory Party leaflets - pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first Coelacanth.
At the age of 14, a Bristolian named Brenda ritualistically shaved my buttocks. There really is nothing like a shorn bottom - it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it!
I genuinely understand none of this.
It’s a riff on the Dr Evil speech from Austin Powers.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
The details of my life are quite inconsequential...
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving corner shop owner from Zanzibar with low-grade lethargy and a penchant for psephology. My mother was a 20-year-old newsreader named Gargi with gap-teeth.
My father would plagiarize; he would snigger. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the opinion poll. Sometimes, he would accuse free-range eggs of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the insane possess and the genius lament...
My childhood was typical: summers in Penarth... sudoku lessons... In the spring, we'd make Quorn helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a Sinclair C5 and beaten with Tory Party leaflets - pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first Coelacanth.
At the age of 14, a Bristolian named Brenda ritualistically shaved my buttocks. There really is nothing like a shorn bottom - it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it!
I genuinely understand none of this.
It’s a riff on the Dr Evil speech from Austin Powers.
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
I’m still annoyed about an interview with Lammy the other morning about this where firstly he was asked about the fairness of Malkinson having to pay for his experts and legal advice out of his settlement and he waffled and eventually said he would have to look into the situation (how he doesn’t have it etched in his brain is beyond me) and then the Today interviewer failed to follow up with what is surely the crux of this by asking him whether he can say straight that anyone who is a victim of a miscarriage of justice should not be financially damaged in any way.
I remember Alex Chalk being asked, on the same subject when Justice Minister, absolutely unequivocally saying that Malkinson and similar should not be financially punished.
It’s surely as clear as daylight that if the state makes an error which costs you your freedom, reputation, sanity, life of freedom then any costs incurred whether board and lodging or legal and associated costs to prove the failure by the state should be borne by the state.
I cannot understand why Lammy could not just say, this is a disgrace and we are drafting legislation to ensure that nobody shall be charged anything relating to a false conviction. I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who would not think this is appropriate so why can a politician not just fix it.
If the government prosecutes you, you hire a lawyer and you are found innocent, who pays your lawyer?
It would of course be annoying, painful and damaging but no comparison with being locked up for a huge chunk of your life and then to add insult to injury you have to take the costs of your incarceration and proving the State’s error out of the deserved compensation.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
I’m still annoyed about an interview with Lammy the other morning about this where firstly he was asked about the fairness of Malkinson having to pay for his experts and legal advice out of his settlement and he waffled and eventually said he would have to look into the situation (how he doesn’t have it etched in his brain is beyond me) and then the Today interviewer failed to follow up with what is surely the crux of this by asking him whether he can say straight that anyone who is a victim of a miscarriage of justice should not be financially damaged in any way.
I remember Alex Chalk being asked, on the same subject when Justice Minister, absolutely unequivocally saying that Malkinson and similar should not be financially punished.
It’s surely as clear as daylight that if the state makes an error which costs you your freedom, reputation, sanity, life of freedom then any costs incurred whether board and lodging or legal and associated costs to prove the failure by the state should be borne by the state.
I cannot understand why Lammy could not just say, this is a disgrace and we are drafting legislation to ensure that nobody shall be charged anything relating to a false conviction. I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who would not think this is appropriate so why can a politician not just fix it.
If the government prosecutes you, you hire a lawyer and you are found innocent, who pays your lawyer?
It would of course be annoying, painful and damaging but no comparison with being locked up for a huge chunk of your life and then to add insult to injury you have to take the costs of your incarceration and proving the State’s error out of the deserved compensation.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
How is going from 31 MSPs to 12 in Scotland one of the Tories' "better results"?
As most of those were list seats going Reform, in terms of FPTP seats the Tories only lost 1 Holyrood constituency seat, Eastwood. As I said the Tories also got a higher voteshare in Scotland than in Wales.
In London the Tories even made net gains on FPTP council seats despite significant loss of council seats elsewhere in England.
So ironically the Kemi Tories are now performing best in Remain areas like London and Scotland because Reform are weaker there and where their opponents are Labour or the SNP not the LDs, where they are collapsing is in strong Leave areas Boris won which are electing Reform
DecrepiterJohnL said: Andy_JS said: Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
He was kept inside 12 years after the DNA evidence exonerated him !
I have little faith in the judicial system as a whole but this just seems obscene.
O/T with apologies for diverting a thread right away but the Guardian have now published their readers' list of 100 greatest novels and it looks a lot better to me than the authors' and critics' list from a few weeks ago:
Amazed to see Memoirs of Hadrian on there. And deservedly. I thought I was the only person that had read it.
Not at all. A stunningly good book and an incredibly moving one. I rate it even higher than I Claudius as the foremost example of the genre. Read it when I was in my late teens and never forgot it.
Oooohhhh... I love I, Claudius. I reread (for the third time) last year, and it was every bit as good as I remembered.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Graves wrote a number of historical novels. From his point of view, they paid the bills while his real vocation was poetry qnd he did, indeed, write some beautiful lyric poetry. If you're ever in Majorca, it's well worth visiting his house in Deya. One of the best, and most evocative, small museums I have ever visited.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
Leaving aside several issues with this plan, I note that there are over twice as many Gazans as Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
Bollocks. Palestinians' attitude was exactly the same - destroy Israel - before Netanyahu came along.
Every single Palestinian has the attitude of 'destroy Israel'?
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
Bollocks. Palestinians' attitude was exactly the same - destroy Israel - before Netanyahu came along.
Every single Palestinian has the attitude of 'destroy Israel'?
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
How is going from 31 MSPs to 12 in Scotland one of the Tories' "better results"?
As most of those were list seats going Reform, in terms of FPTP seats the Tories only lost 1 Holyrood constituency seat, Eastwood. As I said the Tories also got a higher voteshare in Scotland than in Wales.
In London the Tories even made net gains on FPTP council seats despite significant loss of council seats elsewhere in England.
So ironically the Kemi Tories are now performing best in Remain areas like London and Scotland because Reform are weaker there and where their opponents are Labour or the SNP not the LDs, where they are collapsing is in strong Leave areas Boris won which are electing Reform
Eastwood is a very Remain kind of place.
And Reform were 4th in Eastwood with the Tories second and just 1.9% behind the SNP so that does not change my point at all
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
Leaving aside several issues with this plan, I note that there are over twice as many Gazans as Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
Which I think should be fine. Gazans would tend to live more densely than Israeli settlers. I'd be more concerned that the Israeli settlers would burn and raze it all to the ground rather than let Palestinians live there, which would be very probable, but it would still be worth it to solve the problem.
Scotland was probably after London one of the better results for the Tories in May. Although the Scottish Tories still lost MSPs whereas London Tories made net gains of council seats, they held most of their Holyrood constituencies. Whereas in provincial England outside London lots of Tory councillors lost their seats particularly to Reform and Scottish Tories got a higher voteshare in the Holyrood vote than Welsh Tories did in the Senedd.
Kemi also still has a reasonable 20% favourable rating in Scotland. The Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine Holyrood seat which largely overlaps with the Aberdeen South Westminster seat was also one of a minority of constituencies in Scotland where the Tories beat Reform and were still in the top 2 against the SNP. Indeed the Tories were just 4% behind the SNP so if they squeeze the 17% who voted Reform then they could beat the SNP and win the seat.
Arbroath is the type of seat Labour might win back if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and replaces Starmer as Labour leader and PM but it won't while Starmer remains PM which he still will be when the by elections are held
Good analysis HYUFD, in fact my Scottish Conservative MSP increased his majority in the North East in the Holyrood election and speaking to activist friends during the campaign Kemi Badenoch's increasingly positive personal polling was starting to be picked up on the doorsteps. She was back campaigning in Aberdeen South yesterday.
And as I posted yesterday, Harriet Cross gained the new neighbouring Westminster seat of Gordon and Buchan for the Scottish Conservatives against the political tide in 2024 and the losing SNP incumbent MP is now standing for the SNP in the Aberdeen South by-election.
I've put a few pennies on the Tories at Aberdeen South at 3.0 based on this.
It's win win for Kemi really. If the Tories win it's evidence of her growing popularity. If they lose, well of course they lost, it's Scotland.
I wouldn't say losing is a win, but the big news of the night will be whatever happens in Makerfield Tories losing wouldn't really register much.
A strong second (i.e. second, but with an SNP to Tory swing) would, I think, be a pretty decent result for the Tories given the general context.
Kemi will respond to 500 votes in Makerfield as a great result and a 2nd and 3rd in Scotland as a sign she's going to be in No 10 before Burnham.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
She will indeed respond that way, 500 votes must be beyond her wildest expectations now because Survation have the Tories in Makerfield polling at 0.7%. So they're on course for 500 votes provided that each and every elector votes twice. Interesting that nearly as many 2024 Tories are recorded as switching to Burnham as to Reform.
If the Tories win Aberdeen South they won't care less about Makerfield where they have never been in contention anyway
And yet they won more than a third of the votes there not 7 years ago.
On a night the Tories won 365 seats UK wide and 43.6% of the vote and a UK majority of 80. Yet even on the night of Boris' big win the Tories still lost Makerfield
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
Nice victim blaming there.
Hamas are evil and their evil long preceded Netanyahu returning to power.
I think someone who bats for the nation of Bibi, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir has no moral higher ground.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
The details of my life are quite inconsequential...
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving corner shop owner from Zanzibar with low-grade lethargy and a penchant for psephology. My mother was a 20-year-old newsreader named Gargi with gap-teeth.
My father would plagiarize; he would snigger. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the opinion poll. Sometimes, he would accuse free-range eggs of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the insane possess and the genius lament...
My childhood was typical: summers in Penarth... sudoku lessons... In the spring, we'd make Quorn helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a Sinclair C5 and beaten with Tory Party leaflets - pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first Coelacanth.
At the age of 14, a Bristolian named Brenda ritualistically shaved my buttocks. There really is nothing like a shorn bottom - it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it!
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
Leaving aside several issues with this plan, I note that there are over twice as many Gazans as Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
Which I think should be fine. Gazans would tend to live more densely than Israeli settlers. I'd be more concerned that the Israeli settlers would burn and raze it all to the ground rather than let Palestinians live there, which would be very probable, but it would still be worth it to solve the problem.
Any moral solution to Israel-Palestine issue needs to remember that both Palestinians and Israelis should have the same rights. Deportation of the Palestinians fails that test.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
No you won't!
Correcting an injustice might make those who benefitted from it agrieved, but it doesn't make them victims.
Treating people discriminated against by the system doesn't mean punishing those who had benefitetd from it.
I'd be up set if a car iIbought turned out to be stolen and had to be returned to it's owner, but I wouldn't blame them or say I should be allowed to keep it.
Nor if I had no idea it was stolen would I be prosecuted.
When we abolished slavery we compensated Slave owners not Slaves.
Apparently the logic being that the slaves were benefitting from their fredom, but the owners were losing their right to own other people and would have to pay people instead.
We sort of thought Slavery was a one of fee as opposed to paying in instalments.
The idea that white people are losing out because others are being treated just like them is just bizarre!
Peter.
This is an embarrassingly illogical and incoherent post, with a very weak argument at its heart. That's made even weaker by its repetition.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
Leaving aside several issues with this plan, I note that there are over twice as many Gazans as Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
Which I think should be fine. Gazans would tend to live more densely than Israeli settlers. I'd be more concerned that the Israeli settlers would burn and raze it all to the ground rather than let Palestinians live there, which would be very probable, but it would still be worth it to solve the problem.
Any moral solution to Israel-Palestine issue needs to remember that both Palestinians and Israelis should have the same right. Simply removing the Palestinians, is clearly in breach of that.
The Palestinians are idiots. They have ruined their own country.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
Leaving aside several issues with this plan, I note that there are over twice as many Gazans as Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
Which I think should be fine. Gazans would tend to live more densely than Israeli settlers. I'd be more concerned that the Israeli settlers would burn and raze it all to the ground rather than let Palestinians live there, which would be very probable, but it would still be worth it to solve the problem.
Any moral solution to Israel-Palestine issue needs to remember that both Palestinians and Israelis should have the same rights. Deportation of the Palestinians fails that test.
Personally I think it's immoral to let the situation continue in the way it is. Clearly the current map doesn't work. A five year old could look at it and see that.
The 'deported' Palestinians would be leaving a bombed out shithole to a Palestinian homeland free from Israeli control. I think they would jump at it, and rightly so.
"Middle-class white men banned from public sector internship National Audit Office’s six-week paid programme only accepts female, black heritage or lower socio-economic applicants" (£)
Are white, middle-class heterosexual men the most put upon cohort in UK society?
That's not the point. This is officially sanctioned discrimination by sex and race, and that will create injustice.
If you play this game, you create social division.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that giving an occasional helping hand up to historically marginalised groups helps undo existing injustices. But some white middle class heterosexual men are snowflakes and easily triggered when their familiar advantages are reduced in the slightest.
I think most people would look at the situation and say that discriminating against anyone is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I think two wrongs don’t make a right. But you’re the one who favours ethnically cleansing Palestinians, so I kinda thought you were in the two wrongs DO make a right camp.
I am not in favour of it, I do think relocation might be the least worst option to end the cycle of violence.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
As long as Netanyahu and his uber Zionist clique lives then Hamas are not the genocidal nutters but actually freedom fighters.
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
The best solution is to empty Gaza of Palestinians, and move them all to the West Bank, moving all the Israeli settlers out of the West Bank and back in to Israel and Gaza to house them.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
Leaving aside several issues with this plan, I note that there are over twice as many Gazans as Israeli settlers in the West Bank.
Which I think should be fine. Gazans would tend to live more densely than Israeli settlers. I'd be more concerned that the Israeli settlers would burn and raze it all to the ground rather than let Palestinians live there, which would be very probable, but it would still be worth it to solve the problem.
Any moral solution to Israel-Palestine issue needs to remember that both Palestinians and Israelis should have the same right. Simply removing the Palestinians, is clearly in breach of that.
The Palestinians are idiots. They have ruined their own country.
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I feel a cold, hard rage enveloping me.
This then begs the question which no doubt the usual suspects will raise such as :
* are they simply economic migrants hiding among refugees
* are they stealing jobs that the domestic population could do
* are they just here for the benefits (a high proportion of those on benefits are in work)
People will have their own views. The main issue though is that in a nation bound by the rule of law (one assumes) once their status has been confirmed, they are here legally for work and accommodation purposes. Unless of course you do something on a bus you shouldn't.
If you play this game, you create social division.
Just as good as the first time it was posted several days ago infact.
And then protests about English classes.
I must try Memoirs of Hadrian.
Correcting an injustice might make those who benefitted from it agrieved, but it doesn't make them victims.
Treating people discriminated against by the system doesn't mean punishing those who had benefitetd from it.
I'd be up set if a car iIbought turned out to be stolen and had to be returned to it's owner, but I wouldn't blame them or say I should be allowed to keep it.
Nor if I had no idea it was stolen would I be prosecuted.
When we abolished slavery we compensated Slave owners not Slaves.
Apparently the logic being that the slaves were benefitting from their fredom, but the owners were losing their right to own other people and would have to pay people instead.
We sort of thought Slavery was a one of fee as opposed to paying in instalments.
The idea that white people are losing out because others are being treated just like them is just bizarre!
Peter.
Builder finds 'spooky' 1964 time capsule
A construction worker has found a time capsule from 1964 featuring four old English coins and a "spooky" letter telling him to use the money for a horse-racing bet.
The note, discovered underneath a statue in Crystal Palace Park in south London, said the money had been the winnings from a bet on a horse named Santa Claus in the Epsom Derby, and that its finder should use it to bet on a horse with a name that could be "associated with 'Santa Claus'".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5pgqmp1p8o
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4436f8fab1c1e368
So the list is good for something at least.
I guess if people are still bothering to queue for fuel then there's still some fuel available - but for how much longer?
It really is tough outside of the top 50 or so and can't be any fun outside the top 100.
Well done young lady, hopefully you can earn decent money in main draw for majors at least with a new top 30 ranking.
It's a sign to many others that it's not an impossible dream.
Thats what deluded arrogance does for you.
I’ll be sure to tag you every time I post it as you seem to like it. 👍
In London the Tories even made net gains on FPTP council seats despite significant loss of council seats elsewhere in England.
So ironically the Kemi Tories are now performing best in Remain areas like London and Scotland because Reform are weaker there and where their opponents are Labour or the SNP not the LDs, where they are collapsing is in strong Leave areas Boris won which are electing Reform
https://t.me/noel_reports/47380
There's been quite a few of these attacks by Ukraine on Russian units far behind the front line recently. Another sign, along with the attacks on Russian logistics, of Ukraine's growing middle-range strike capacity, and the inability of Russia to find a way to counter it.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
I wouldn't wish Thames Water on my worst enemy.
His 2002 Easter Monday performance v Southampton was not on this planet... Outstanding.
Withdraw out of Crimea and the Donbas, pull back to their own border and end the war.
Probably something to do with the fact that the NAO staff are overwhelmingly male, white and from upper class backgrounds.
And they're not even being paid for the privilege, internships are for people desperate enough to work for nothing just to get work experience.
I would love to see a better, sustainable, option but as long as Hamas exist and their like, and as long as they are supported by the likes of Iran, it does not seem limely.
Burnham is marching into no 10 and then it is the Andy v Kemi show all the way to GE 29
I am sure you will still post your anti Kemi garbage all the way
Netanyahu is the best recruitment agency Hamas and Hezbollah have ever had.
Without him and his ilk, Hamas and Hezbollah would be starved of necessity and relevance.
Palestine is a State and it belongs in defined borders on the Gaza Strip and West Bank stolen by Israel.
Andy_JS said:
Can we please continue to talk about why Paul Quinn hasn't received a longer sentence after allowing Andrew Malkinson to spend 17 years in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfbLCXIaZBo
Or should we talk about why Malkinson was not released for more than 12 years after DNA evidence exonerated him? Or why the CCRC turned him down twice. Or even how he came to be wrongly convicted in the first place.
I did some research into this and read the various reports. So if there's any interest, happy to share.
Time to respond with pure cold rage.
If you're ever in Majorca, it's well worth visiting his house in Deya. One of the best, and most evocative, small museums I have ever visited.
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving corner shop owner from Zanzibar with low-grade lethargy and a penchant for psephology. My mother was a 20-year-old newsreader named Gargi with gap-teeth.
My father would plagiarize; he would snigger. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the opinion poll. Sometimes, he would accuse free-range eggs of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the insane possess and the genius lament...
My childhood was typical: summers in Penarth... sudoku lessons... In the spring, we'd make Quorn helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a Sinclair C5 and beaten with Tory Party leaflets - pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first Coelacanth.
At the age of 14, a Bristolian named Brenda ritualistically shaved my buttocks. There really is nothing like a shorn bottom - it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it!
AIUI
Malkinson was primarily a victim of state indifference to its arrogance and incompetence.
The rape was malevolent.
I find it difficult not to equate them in their wider context.
Hamas are evil and their evil long preceded Netanyahu returning to power.
I remember Alex Chalk being asked, on the same subject when Justice Minister, absolutely unequivocally saying that Malkinson and similar should not be financially punished.
It’s surely as clear as daylight that if the state makes an error which costs you your freedom, reputation, sanity, life of freedom then any costs incurred whether board and lodging or legal and associated costs to prove the failure by the state should be borne by the state.
I cannot understand why Lammy could not just say, this is a disgrace and we are drafting legislation to ensure that nobody shall be charged anything relating to a false conviction. I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who would not think this is appropriate so why can a politician not just fix it.
That means Israel is a whole state without a dangerous enclave of Palestinians who hate them, and Palestine is a whole state without illegal Israeli settlements. It is fair and just - nobody gets everything they want, but everyone gets what they need.
I have little faith in the judicial system as a whole but this just seems obscene.
I’d be interested in your thoughts.
A bit sweeping, no?
A bit sweeping, no?
Today it was 1972. Main game Spurs v Stoke from 1972.
Gordon Banks, Martin Chivers, a muddy pitch and a dilapidated stadium
It was a joy.
Bibi has shit the bed over Iran.
Israel have lost this one.
It’s liberating and fun.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409709
https://x.com/afpost/status/2063209643212517781?s=61
https://x.com/afpost/status/2063209643212517781?s=61
I'm afraid it makes me think far less of you.
Sorry.
The 'deported' Palestinians would be leaving a bombed out shithole to a Palestinian homeland free from Israeli control. I think they would jump at it, and rightly so.
https://x.com/WalkerMarcus/status/2062901274945761731?s=20
Their leadership are though.