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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398
    Starry said:

    The greatest punk single is of course the first one, New Rose by The Damned.

    Possibly my favourite single of all infused with bittersweet nostalgia is Another Girl. Another Planet by The Only Ones who were difficult to categorise.

    Saw The Damned several times. Always fun.

    They once appeared and took over a show by said The Only Ones.

    (Years later, saw Rat Scabies drumming for Donovan. Which was weird!)

    Punk band worthy of an honourable mention were Stiff Little Fingers. The mosh pit for "Alternative Ulster" was legendary.

    And I cannot leave this subject without reference to the best punk crowd of all time. Adam and the Ants. They made vertical moshpits - anthills - which eventually got too high to be stable, They inevitably collapsed - then everyone helped everyone get up and it all started again.

    There were 1,000 fans locked outside without tickets. Messy.
    Love the Only Ones, but they were just around punk rather than punk. More a mix of glam and post-punk before it was post (mind you, the ultimate post-punkers, Joy Division, thought they were absolutely punk).
    Sorry - remembered I've misremembered - did see the Only Ones a couple of times, but it was The Ruts whose show was invaded by The Damned. It was when they were fronted by Malcolm Owen, who died in 1980. Once chatted to Phil Jupitus about this - he was very jealous, never having seen him perform.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    edited 1:46PM
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT: "What about Teenage Kicks by the Undertones?"

    A song originally about masturbation, until they changed the word "it" to "her".

    They should have kept that - more realistic,
    Different song but Sharkey created one of the greatest lines in Rock and Roll history. "He always beat me at Subbuteo, 'Cause he 'flicked to kick' And I didn't know".
    "His mother bought him a synthesiser,
    Got the Human League into advise 'er."
    Back in the mid eighties I once saw Sharkey being dropped off at the top of Regent Street by a blond girl driving a silver Mazda RX7. I wonder what he does now?
    he tests rivers for crap and campaigns against water boards
    He’s a lot less vocal and rabid since Labour came to power
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,018

    Dura_Ace said:

    No. He's not stupid in any conventional sense of the term. He's just not particularly well educated or informed outside of a few narrow technical fields. He's also surrounded by lackeys meatriding him 25/8 and is more or less fucked on drugs. All of that leads to shallow and misinformed shitposting coloured by his long-standing obsession with the racial and religious demographics of some Western countries.
    I thought you were talking about Leon, not Musk.
    Leon is what Musk would be without any technical or business acumen.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159

    Dura_Ace said:

    No. He's not stupid in any conventional sense of the term. He's just not particularly well educated or informed outside of a few narrow technical fields. He's also surrounded by lackeys meatriding him 25/8 and is more or less fucked on drugs. All of that leads to shallow and misinformed shitposting coloured by his long-standing obsession with the racial and religious demographics of some Western countries.
    I thought you were talking about Leon, not Musk.
    Leon is what Musk would be without any technical or business acumen.
    What, a successful travel writer ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    No. He's not stupid in any conventional sense of the term. He's just not particularly well educated or informed outside of a few narrow technical fields. He's also surrounded by lackeys meatriding him 25/8 and is more or less fucked on drugs. All of that leads to shallow and misinformed shitposting coloured by his long-standing obsession with the racial and religious demographics of some Western countries.
    I thought you were talking about Leon, not Musk.
    Leon is what Musk would be without any technical or business acumen.
    What, a successful travel writer ?
    Yes, that seems unlikely.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,638

    Dura_Ace said:

    No. He's not stupid in any conventional sense of the term. He's just not particularly well educated or informed outside of a few narrow technical fields. He's also surrounded by lackeys meatriding him 25/8 and is more or less fucked on drugs. All of that leads to shallow and misinformed shitposting coloured by his long-standing obsession with the racial and religious demographics of some Western countries.
    I thought you were talking about Leon, not Musk.
    No lackeys. Key difference.

    Old mate was just somebody who wrote more and more about less and less. His posts increasingly celebrated the triumph of style over matter. Even where matter was present, trivially or abundantly or often both at once (Joyce, Broch, Svevo), it was ironised into an adjunct of style.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,742
    edited 1:52PM
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/jun/05/i-knew-it-was-over-for-us-the-bands-who-got-left-behind-when-punk-exploded

    A fascinating article about the lost world of rock that got blown away by punk.
    I can't stand punk music personally, except for the more new wave stuff that is sometimes bundled up with it, like the Stranglers or Blondie. Call me old fashioned, but I like songs with a tune. I don't really like the gobby attitude associated with it either. I turned 1 in 1976 so I was a bit young for it all anyway.

    People also conveniently forget Punk rocks flirtation with the Far rights and Nazi symbolism.

    A very seedy underbelly to punk.

    Although, nice tunes.
    Yeah I was trying to keep this politics free but very much agree on the far right aspect, another reason why I don't care for punk much, apart from the paucity of tunes and the spitting.
    I didn’t care for the spitting either. Vile habit.

    Music wise I quite liked some of the stuff, probably more new wave. I like guitar based music.
    I could listen to the Stranglers all day.
    Gordon Brown texture like sun
    Never a frown with Gordon Brown
    Was going to take up OLB's suggestion but was then reminded about the cricket.
    Maybe after lunch when the cricket's over...
    I like punk. I like guitar music, I like fast guitar music. I value energy over finesse. I reckon if you lined up all the members of this board in order of how much they like punk, I would be in the top handful. I also quite like punk's less talented offshoot, Oi.
    And yet, I will admit that 90% of punk isn't very good. You don't need to be the best musician in the world to produce something interesting, but you do need a spark of creativity.
    If you have 1000 albums in your collection, one of them really needs to be Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols. It is genuinely one of the best albums of all time. That was basically all they did though. London Calling by the Clash is a fine album, but is it punk? Probably not, by that stage. And also you need something by the Buzzcocks. Beyond that I'd say it all gets a bit optional.
    But it was a very brief movement. 1976-1978 at the longest. Almost everything after mid-1978 was either New Wave or Oi.

    (Mind you, New Wave could keep you going for a lifetime.)
    Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've) is quite possibly one of the finest "pop" songs ever written.

    I remember Peter Shelley at Malvern Winter Gardens pleading with the punks to "stop spitting".
    The Fine Young Cannibals version is excellent
    I quite liked the FYCs when they were around - when I was about 10-12 - without really knowing why. It turns out - I only recently discovered this - most of the FYCs were in The Beat. Suddenly everything falls into place.
    My first wife had a mega thing for Roland Gift. Who I didn't resemble in any way shape or form.
    I was a huge fan of Fine Young Cannibals and I also had a mega thing for Roland Gift back in the day. I absolutely loved their cover version of Suspicious Minds along with their other hits Good Thing and She Drives Me Crazy.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,163
    Battlebus said:

    Another reason to avoid using AI. Apparently it's woke after being taken over by liberals and the radical left.


    https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5909906-ai-bias-american-narrative/

    Many heroes have flaws even though they accomplish great things, they are human people after all. AI should hopefully give the facts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    edited 1:56PM

    Who could have forecast at Tea yesterday that England would go into Lunch today at effectively 99/1 for the second innings?

    Remarkable.

    But there have been a lot of chances missed. Pitch still doing plenty and overhead conditions favouring the bowlers. It may continue to get easier which would help NZ but right now these runs look promising. Poor Bethel got one that was unplayable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    Looks like Burnham must be strong favourite to win the Makerfield by election now. As his vote on the Survation poll is bigger than the combined Reform and Restore and Tory vote even if Reform squeezed the vote of other right of centre parties they would still lose
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    fitalass said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/jun/05/i-knew-it-was-over-for-us-the-bands-who-got-left-behind-when-punk-exploded

    A fascinating article about the lost world of rock that got blown away by punk.
    I can't stand punk music personally, except for the more new wave stuff that is sometimes bundled up with it, like the Stranglers or Blondie. Call me old fashioned, but I like songs with a tune. I don't really like the gobby attitude associated with it either. I turned 1 in 1976 so I was a bit young for it all anyway.

    People also conveniently forget Punk rocks flirtation with the Far rights and Nazi symbolism.

    A very seedy underbelly to punk.

    Although, nice tunes.
    Yeah I was trying to keep this politics free but very much agree on the far right aspect, another reason why I don't care for punk much, apart from the paucity of tunes and the spitting.
    I didn’t care for the spitting either. Vile habit.

    Music wise I quite liked some of the stuff, probably more new wave. I like guitar based music.
    I could listen to the Stranglers all day.
    Gordon Brown texture like sun
    Never a frown with Gordon Brown
    Was going to take up OLB's suggestion but was then reminded about the cricket.
    Maybe after lunch when the cricket's over...
    I like punk. I like guitar music, I like fast guitar music. I value energy over finesse. I reckon if you lined up all the members of this board in order of how much they like punk, I would be in the top handful. I also quite like punk's less talented offshoot, Oi.
    And yet, I will admit that 90% of punk isn't very good. You don't need to be the best musician in the world to produce something interesting, but you do need a spark of creativity.
    If you have 1000 albums in your collection, one of them really needs to be Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols. It is genuinely one of the best albums of all time. That was basically all they did though. London Calling by the Clash is a fine album, but is it punk? Probably not, by that stage. And also you need something by the Buzzcocks. Beyond that I'd say it all gets a bit optional.
    But it was a very brief movement. 1976-1978 at the longest. Almost everything after mid-1978 was either New Wave or Oi.

    (Mind you, New Wave could keep you going for a lifetime.)
    Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've) is quite possibly one of the finest "pop" songs ever written.

    I remember Peter Shelley at Malvern Winter Gardens pleading with the punks to "stop spitting".
    The Fine Young Cannibals version is excellent
    I quite liked the FYCs when they were around - when I was about 10-12 - without really knowing why. It turns out - I only recently discovered this - most of the FYCs were in The Beat. Suddenly everything falls into place.
    My first wife had a mega thing for Roland Gift. Who I didn't resemble in any way shape or form.
    I was a huge fan of Fine Young Cannibals and I also had a mega thing for Roland Gift back in the day. I absolutely loved their cover version of Suspicious Minds along with their other hits Good Thing and She Drives Me Crazy.
    Yes very good cover of Minds. Gift had the perfect male shape and a glint in the eye. I think that was it.

    I had one of those things but only occasionally.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 63
    edited 1:58PM
    Musk is a classic example of someone who formed most of his oppinions and world view before he got an education and the education never changed that world view.

    Lots of his ideas seem to be based on things he saw, learned or read at a very early age and which he hasn't let his experiences since alter.

    A bit of a man baby.

    Smart guy and brilliant engineer, drive even, to an extent visionary, but beyond that, just short of loopy.
    Brilliant people can be deeply flawed!

    Then again;

    Newton is a giant of science but he also dabbled in Alchemy and his work their was nonsense.
    Conon Doyle was a well educated intelegent author but taken in by Spiritualists.
    Albert Spiers was thought to be a brilliant planner but he fell for the Nazi's.
    Keir Starmer.........

    Peter.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    Dura_Ace said:

    No. He's not stupid in any conventional sense of the term. He's just not particularly well educated or informed outside of a few narrow technical fields. He's also surrounded by lackeys meatriding him 25/8 and is more or less fucked on drugs. All of that leads to shallow and misinformed shitposting coloured by his long-standing obsession with the racial and religious demographics of some Western countries.
    If he isn't a racist it's an excellent impression.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    edited 1:59PM

    Starry said:

    The greatest punk single is of course the first one, New Rose by The Damned.

    Possibly my favourite single of all infused with bittersweet nostalgia is Another Girl. Another Planet by The Only Ones who were difficult to categorise.

    Saw The Damned several times. Always fun.

    They once appeared and took over a show by said The Only Ones.

    (Years later, saw Rat Scabies drumming for Donovan. Which was weird!)

    Punk band worthy of an honourable mention were Stiff Little Fingers. The mosh pit for "Alternative Ulster" was legendary.

    And I cannot leave this subject without reference to the best punk crowd of all time. Adam and the Ants. They made vertical moshpits - anthills - which eventually got too high to be stable, They inevitably collapsed - then everyone helped everyone get up and it all started again.

    There were 1,000 fans locked outside without tickets. Messy.
    Love the Only Ones, but they were just around punk rather than punk. More a mix of glam and post-punk before it was post (mind you, the ultimate post-punkers, Joy Division, thought they were absolutely punk).
    Sorry - remembered I've misremembered - did see the Only Ones a couple of times, but it was The Ruts whose show was invaded by The Damned. It was when they were fronted by Malcolm Owen, who died in 1980. Once chatted to Phil Jupitus about this - he was very jealous, never having seen him perform.
    Babylon's Burning was a great single.
    Whatever the Guardian says the charts were fantastic then, everything from rockabilly to soul, disco to punk, Motorhead to Steve Strange, Soft Cell to Saxon.
    On the crappy anecdote front, I was once asked for my autograph at a Motorhead concert because I'd stupidly painted the lapels of my very expensive Lewis Leather Lightning jacket white, just like one of the terrible threesome (Philthy Animal?).


  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,638
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like Burnham must be strong favourite to win the Makerfield by election now. As his vote on the Survation poll is bigger than the combined Reform and Restore and Tory vote even if Reform squeezed the vote of other right of centre parties they would still lose

    They didn't help themselves by selecting a dogshit candidate who is basically Gary Windass minus GW's only fleetingly glimpsed but humanising streak of compassion.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,798
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT: "What about Teenage Kicks by the Undertones?"

    A song originally about masturbation, until they changed the word "it" to "her".

    They should have kept that - more realistic,
    Different song but Sharkey created one of the greatest lines in Rock and Roll history. "He always beat me at Subbuteo, 'Cause he 'flicked to kick' And I didn't know".
    "His mother bought him a synthesiser,
    Got the Human League into advise 'er."
    Back in the mid eighties I once saw Sharkey being dropped off at the top of Regent Street by a blond girl driving a silver Mazda RX7. I wonder what he does now?
    he tests rivers for crap and campaigns against water boards
    He’s a lot less vocal and rabid since Labour came to power
    I don't think that's true. I saw him recently on the news calling for the jailing of water board bosses.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719

    Musk is a classic example of someone who formed most of his oppinions and world view before he got an education and the education never changed that world view.

    Lots of his ideas seem to be based on things he saw, learned or read at a very early age and which he hasn't let his experiences since alter.

    A bit of a man baby.

    Smart guy and brilliant engineer, drive even, to an extent visionary, but beyond that, just short of loopy.
    Brilliant people can be deeply flawed!

    Then again;

    Newton is a giant of science but he also dabbled in Alchemy and his work their was nonsense.
    Conon Doyle was a well educated intelegent author but taken in by Spiritualists.
    Albert Spiers was thought to be a brilliant planner but he fell for the Nazi's.
    Keir Starmer.........

    Peter.

    The chess champion Bobby Fischer had one of the highest IQs in human history yet believed all sorts of absolute nonsense.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,140

    Roger said:

    Wasn't it interesting to see in close up the standard of candidate put up by Reform? We don't often get to see that sort of backstage. You look at Rees Mogg or Priti Patel and marvel at what their selection committees must have seen that is completely invisible to the rest of us.

    But last night there it was in glorious technicolour. A Reform candidate unvarnished and chosen by we know not who-presumably Farage?

    So what's Farage's process? This guy's a plumber and a plumber won last month.....Or this guy is as rough as sand paper and thinks all women are slags! We've cracked it!

    As bad as he was the Green candidate was simply a joke [bad one]
    The girl on the extreme left? I thought she was very good. Bright clever not showy at all. A perfect candidate. The Tory was someone called Winstanley. I used to know a family Winstanley but they were well known Liberals.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398

    Starry said:

    The greatest punk single is of course the first one, New Rose by The Damned.

    Possibly my favourite single of all infused with bittersweet nostalgia is Another Girl. Another Planet by The Only Ones who were difficult to categorise.

    Saw The Damned several times. Always fun.

    They once appeared and took over a show by said The Only Ones.

    (Years later, saw Rat Scabies drumming for Donovan. Which was weird!)

    Punk band worthy of an honourable mention were Stiff Little Fingers. The mosh pit for "Alternative Ulster" was legendary.

    And I cannot leave this subject without reference to the best punk crowd of all time. Adam and the Ants. They made vertical moshpits - anthills - which eventually got too high to be stable, They inevitably collapsed - then everyone helped everyone get up and it all started again.

    There were 1,000 fans locked outside without tickets. Messy.
    Love the Only Ones, but they were just around punk rather than punk. More a mix of glam and post-punk before it was post (mind you, the ultimate post-punkers, Joy Division, thought they were absolutely punk).
    Sorry - remembered I've misremembered - did see the Only Ones a couple of times, but it was The Ruts whose show was invaded by The Damned. It was when they were fronted by Malcolm Owen, who died in 1980. Once chatted to Phil Jupitus about this - he was very jealous, never having seen him perform.
    Babylon's Burning was a great single.
    Whatever the Guardian says the charts were fantastic then, everything from rockabilly to soul, disco to punk, Motorhead to Steve Strange, Soft Cell to Saxon.
    On the crappy anecdote front, I was once asked for my autograph at a Motorhead concert because I'd stupidly painted the lapels of my very expensive Lewis Leather Lightning jacket white, just like one of the terrible threesome (Philthy Animal?).


    The reason I chatted to Phil Jupitus was because he had In A Rut on his tape before the show. Another great single.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,798
    edited 2:06PM

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT: "What about Teenage Kicks by the Undertones?"

    A song originally about masturbation, until they changed the word "it" to "her".

    They should have kept that - more realistic,
    Different song but Sharkey created one of the greatest lines in Rock and Roll history. "He always beat me at Subbuteo, 'Cause he 'flicked to kick' And I didn't know".
    "His mother bought him a synthesiser,
    Got the Human League into advise 'er."
    Back in the mid eighties I once saw Sharkey being dropped off at the top of Regent Street by a blond girl driving a silver Mazda RX7. I wonder what he does now?
    he tests rivers for crap and campaigns against water boards
    He’s a lot less vocal and rabid since Labour came to power
    I don't think that's true. I saw him recently on the news calling for the jailing of water board bosses.
    p.s. I think it's great that he still as angry now as he was when he was singing 'My Perfect Cousin' almost 50 years ago- and just to add to the recalls of its memorable lyrics, my favourite lines are: 'He's got a fur-lined sheepskin jacket/ My ma says it cost a packet'.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't it interesting to see in close up the standard of candidate put up by Reform? We don't often get to see that sort of backstage. You look at Rees Mogg or Priti Patel and marvel at what their selection committees must have seen that is completely invisible to the rest of us.

    But last night there it was in glorious technicolour. A Reform candidate unvarnished and chosen by we know not who-presumably Farage?

    So what's Farage's process? This guy's a plumber and a plumber won last month.....Or this guy is as rough as sand paper and thinks all women are slags! We've cracked it!

    As bad as he was the Green candidate was simply a joke [bad one]
    The girl on the extreme left? I thought she was very good. Bright clever not showy at all. A perfect candidate. The Tory was someone called Winstanley. I used to know a family Winstanley but they were well known Liberals.
    If you thought she was the perfect candidate than you are easily pleased

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,173
    fitalass said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/jun/05/i-knew-it-was-over-for-us-the-bands-who-got-left-behind-when-punk-exploded

    A fascinating article about the lost world of rock that got blown away by punk.
    I can't stand punk music personally, except for the more new wave stuff that is sometimes bundled up with it, like the Stranglers or Blondie. Call me old fashioned, but I like songs with a tune. I don't really like the gobby attitude associated with it either. I turned 1 in 1976 so I was a bit young for it all anyway.

    People also conveniently forget Punk rocks flirtation with the Far rights and Nazi symbolism.

    A very seedy underbelly to punk.

    Although, nice tunes.
    Yeah I was trying to keep this politics free but very much agree on the far right aspect, another reason why I don't care for punk much, apart from the paucity of tunes and the spitting.
    I didn’t care for the spitting either. Vile habit.

    Music wise I quite liked some of the stuff, probably more new wave. I like guitar based music.
    I could listen to the Stranglers all day.
    Gordon Brown texture like sun
    Never a frown with Gordon Brown
    Was going to take up OLB's suggestion but was then reminded about the cricket.
    Maybe after lunch when the cricket's over...
    I like punk. I like guitar music, I like fast guitar music. I value energy over finesse. I reckon if you lined up all the members of this board in order of how much they like punk, I would be in the top handful. I also quite like punk's less talented offshoot, Oi.
    And yet, I will admit that 90% of punk isn't very good. You don't need to be the best musician in the world to produce something interesting, but you do need a spark of creativity.
    If you have 1000 albums in your collection, one of them really needs to be Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols. It is genuinely one of the best albums of all time. That was basically all they did though. London Calling by the Clash is a fine album, but is it punk? Probably not, by that stage. And also you need something by the Buzzcocks. Beyond that I'd say it all gets a bit optional.
    But it was a very brief movement. 1976-1978 at the longest. Almost everything after mid-1978 was either New Wave or Oi.

    (Mind you, New Wave could keep you going for a lifetime.)
    Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've) is quite possibly one of the finest "pop" songs ever written.

    I remember Peter Shelley at Malvern Winter Gardens pleading with the punks to "stop spitting".
    The Fine Young Cannibals version is excellent
    I quite liked the FYCs when they were around - when I was about 10-12 - without really knowing why. It turns out - I only recently discovered this - most of the FYCs were in The Beat. Suddenly everything falls into place.
    My first wife had a mega thing for Roland Gift. Who I didn't resemble in any way shape or form.
    I was a huge fan of Fine Young Cannibals and I also had a mega thing for Roland Gift back in the day. I absolutely loved their cover version of Suspicious Minds along with their other hits Good Thing and She Drives Me Crazy.
    Fine Young Cannibals were essentially a new version of The Beat, who had a big hit with Mirror In The Bathroom in 1980.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,877
    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,638

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    How would we tell if they did campaign hard?
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    Dura_Ace said:

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    How would we tell if they did campaign hard?
    A Tory being seen within 50 miles of Makerfield any time in the next fortnight
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT: "What about Teenage Kicks by the Undertones?"

    A song originally about masturbation, until they changed the word "it" to "her".

    They should have kept that - more realistic,
    Different song but Sharkey created one of the greatest lines in Rock and Roll history. "He always beat me at Subbuteo, 'Cause he 'flicked to kick' And I didn't know".
    "His mother bought him a synthesiser,
    Got the Human League into advise 'er."
    Back in the mid eighties I once saw Sharkey being dropped off at the top of Regent Street by a blond girl driving a silver Mazda RX7. I wonder what he does now?
    This is a shit anecdote unless we know whether it was an FB or FC.
    The nice one. The FB.

    Not to be confused with the FB Vauxhall Victor.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,589
    edited 2:26PM

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    From that article, the Tories "are sending Shadow Cabinet ministers to Makerfield."

    Conclusive proof that they don't want to win.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,173
    edited 2:27PM
    I find it a bit strange that this man doesn't get an even longer sentence based on the fact that he could have confessed at any time and thus allowed Andrew Malkinson to be released.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g0n8pyrqlt
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    Right! On that news if I lived in Makerfield I'm voting Rob the Plumber.

    Oh wait, the report is from Guido. As you were.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,638
    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    How would we tell if they did campaign hard?
    A Tory being seen within 50 miles of Makerfield any time in the next fortnight
    Has Kemi been there to deploy her gigawatt charisma?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231
    Barnesian said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    It’s worth remembering that Reform lost their last must win by election to the greens.

    They have vastly increased support, but perhaps right now still not enough despite dominating the conversation on social media.

    Reform are first and foremost a content creation outfit for social media.
    They need to be taken seriously as a result. He seeks attention and largely this week got it. Trump playbook 101. By condemning him, he was given energy.

    I wouldn’t use Badenochs words, but her diagnosis that we’re living in dangerous times is correct. One side simply cannot understand the other.
    Several of the sides in modern politics see not understanding their opponents as a virtue.
    Which is a real problem. You end up with political mistakes like “the deplorables”. The more successful politicians have always looked beyond the tribe. Unfortunately social media rewards bubbles. So we end up polarised.
    That was Blair's genius, before he went bananas.
    Genius to Bananas is a well trodden path, including on here.
    Always very sad when someone treads away from the righteous path of agreeing with Pexican Mete.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    dixiedean said:

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    From that article, the Tories "are sending Shadow Cabinet ministers to Makerfield."

    Conclusive proof that they don't want to win.
    As the article suggests they are focusing on Aberdeen South where Restore aren't standing
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,520
    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    It's confirmed: Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz and Kier Starmer will meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Sunday to discuss military support for Ukraine, economic pressure on Russia and ways to revitalise the peace process.

    The meeting will be in London.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    Clown car stuff from England.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    This is a collapse from the 1990s.

    What do Ben Stokes and Joe Root bring to this England team?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,638
    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    It's confirmed: Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz and Kier Starmer will meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Sunday to discuss military support for Ukraine, economic pressure on Russia and ways to revitalise the peace process.

    The meeting will be in London.

    VVZ has mentioned the Nazis once (or twice) but I think he's got away with it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    2 day test here we come....again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    For all the heroics over the years, what is Stokes batting average over the past 2-3 years? Got to be pretty low.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815
    Andy_JS said:

    I find it a bit strange that this man doesn't get an even longer sentence based on the fact that he could have confessed at any time and thus allowed Andrew Malkinson to be released.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g0n8pyrqlt

    Once they have one in their system one is beggered. "But we have the DNA of someone else". " Don't care".
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,199
    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    How would we tell if they did campaign hard?
    A Tory being seen within 50 miles of Makerfield any time in the next fortnight
    Has Kemi been there to deploy her gigawatt charisma?
    Kemi gets a nosebleed at Watford Gap
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146

    This is a collapse from the 1990s.

    What do Ben Stokes and Joe Root bring to this England team?

    The pitch is a shocker and effect of the heavy roller has presumably worn off now but even so...
    Smith is going to have to throw his bat now as he'll run out of partners.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,199
    Dura_Ace said:

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    How would we tell if they did campaign hard?
    Just making excuses for getting less than 2% of the vote.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited 2:48PM
    Dopermean said:

    This is a collapse from the 1990s.

    What do Ben Stokes and Joe Root bring to this England team?

    The pitch is a shocker and effect of the heavy roller has presumably worn off now but even so...
    Smith is going to have to throw his bat now as he'll run out of partners.
    One aspect of Bazball that I think is correct, that the bottom of the batting order just go hard at the ball. Even 20 minutes of slashing it around for a few boundaries is more than they would make trying to play "properly" for an hour against international bowlers.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,140
    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    It's confirmed: Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz and Kier Starmer will meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Sunday to discuss military support for Ukraine, economic pressure on Russia and ways to revitalise the peace process.

    The meeting will be in London.

    VVZ has mentioned the Nazis once (or twice) but I think he's got away with it.
    I think Tucker Carlson has mentioned Genocide 20 times so far and he's only just moved out of Rwanda.........He wants a few Americans on trial

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHPmW-XKfCM


    (worth watching)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815
    Brixian59 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/tories-instruct-personnel-not-to-attack-andy-burnham/

    CCHQ has instructed personnel not to attack Burnham too heavily or campaign hard in Makerfield

    How would we tell if they did campaign hard?
    Just making excuses for getting less than 2% of the vote.
    The Tories could sell their squad and the name to Team Farage for Christopher Harborne's £13m and divvy it up amongst themselves AND guarantee their seats at the next GE.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,742
    FPT. DoctorG - "The SNP have a more experienced candidate in Aberdeen South, had it been the other way round I'd say they'd be in more trouble. I expect it'll still be another rough 10 days ahead for John Swinney so it's worth factoring that in too"

    I have to be honest and say I was really surprised by the SNP and Reform candidate selections for the Aberdeen South by-election. The SNP candidate Richard Thomson managed against the tide to lose his seat in my new neighbouring Westminster constituency of Gordon and Buchan to the Scottish Conservatives in 2024. The new MP Harriet Cross ran a formidable on the ground campaign and she has been for a while on my list of new Conservative MPs to watch and it will not surprise me if by the time of the next GE she is in a more prominent role in the Shadow Cabinent along with my own MP Andrew Bowie.

    And the Reform Scotland candidate Jo Hart was also their candidate in my Holyrood constituency of Aberdeenshire West a few weeks ago and she came with some baggage due to her previous online comments which I see she has already been pulled up and challenged about in the current by-election campaign. And despite the stronger showing for Reform here in parts of the Shire she ran an almost invisible on the ground campaign and our Scottish Conservative MSP Alexander Burnett managed to increase his majority.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,788
    edited 2:50PM
    THIRTEEN DAYS TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY ANDY BURNHAM'S CAREER!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815

    THIRTEEN DAYS TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY ANDY BURNHAM'S CAREER!

    Win or lose, Burnham is OK. Win and he becomes PM, lose and he returns to the day job.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 986
    I said yesterday my contacts in the seat, I used to live there, expected a Burnham win maybe by 5,000, this poll seems to confirm their view.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960

    The comments are interesting. "I'll just put Franco in the good guy column".
    I don’t think Musk would understand that that’s sarcastic.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,173
    theakes said:

    I said yesterday my contacts in the seat, I used to live there, expected a Burnham win maybe by 5,000, this poll seems to confirm their view.

    We'll see what happens.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,742

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Cookie said:

    FPT: "What about Teenage Kicks by the Undertones?"

    A song originally about masturbation, until they changed the word "it" to "her".

    I did not know that.

    Other songs about masturbation:

    Blister in the Sun - Violent Femmes
    Turning Japanese - the Vapors
    I Touch Myself - the Divinyls
    Longview - Greenday

    Any others?
    Orgasm Addict by the Buzzcocks is the obvious omission
    Cyndi Lauper’s “She Bop”, as well as t.A.T.u.’s “Robot”, as I mentioned upthread.

    And should we mention Radiohead’s “Thinking About You”?
    No.
    What about London Beat then?

    Peter.
    I was also a big fan of Cyndi Lauper especially her first two albums, and as for London Beat that is a real blast from the past and I still have their first album in a box somewhere too. And dare I add that like cricket, I never got the attraction of Radiohead..
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,430
    Andy_JS said:

    I find it a bit strange that this man doesn't get an even longer sentence based on the fact that he could have confessed at any time and thus allowed Andrew Malkinson to be released.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g0n8pyrqlt

    If the judge did so it would be appealed. The AG should appeal now on that basis to have it increased to get a ruling on the merits.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,462
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't it interesting to see in close up the standard of candidate put up by Reform? We don't often get to see that sort of backstage. You look at Rees Mogg or Priti Patel and marvel at what their selection committees must have seen that is completely invisible to the rest of us.

    But last night there it was in glorious technicolour. A Reform candidate unvarnished and chosen by we know not who-presumably Farage?

    So what's Farage's process? This guy's a plumber and a plumber won last month.....Or this guy is as rough as sand paper and thinks all women are slags! We've cracked it!

    As bad as he was the Green candidate was simply a joke [bad one]
    The girl on the extreme left? I thought she was very good. Bright clever not showy at all. A perfect candidate. The Tory was someone called Winstanley. I used to know a family Winstanley but they were well known Liberals.
    The Greeny got all in a muddle over the link between immigration and housing shortages.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815
    Dopermean said:

    This is a collapse from the 1990s.

    What do Ben Stokes and Joe Root bring to this England team?

    The pitch is a shocker and effect of the heavy roller has presumably worn off now but even so...
    Smith is going to have to throw his bat now as he'll run out of partners.
    Where are Tony Grieg and his keys when you need them?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,462

    THIRTEEN DAYS TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY ANDY BURNHAM'S CAREER!

    Win or lose, Burnham is OK. Win and he becomes PM, lose and he returns to the day job.
    The day job that he has made clear he no longer gives a toss about.

    He'd be like a guy who left his wife for his mistress, got turned down by the mistress, and then comes skulking back home.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,377

    THIRTEEN DAYS TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY ANDY BURNHAM'S CAREER!

    Win or lose, Burnham is OK. Win and he becomes PM, lose and he returns to the day job.
    The day job that he has made clear he no longer gives a toss about.

    He'd be like a guy who left his wife for his mistress, got turned down by the mistress, and then comes skulking back home.
    Seems a bit over the top. If you go for a job interview for something else in a new field people don't automatically assume you no longer give a toss about your existing job if you don't get the new one. It's just one of those things.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,788

    US delegation at the Russian Davos includes Steven Segal and Candace Owens.

    Under Siege is the best Steven Seagal movie ever made!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,877
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-jobs-report-may-2026

    US economy added 172,000 jobs in May, beating expectations
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179
    Good afternoon

    Several commentators have questioned Starmer, and now Lammy's, constant, almost paranoid, attacks on Farage and recently Musk which just gives more oxygen to their cause

    Starmer really is clueless about politics, and I expect Burnham to be much more appealing to many and focussed on domestic issues

    I assume the week beginning the 22nd June will see the cabinet tell Starmer the game is up, and if labour have any sense (not something they have had so far) will select Burnham to take office without delay

    The last thing the country needs is a protracted succession fight going on into the autumn

    Just get on with it labour

    And by the way, to the Kemi haters Andy v Kemi will be the new show going all the way into GE 29
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    edited 3:18PM

    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.



  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,473
    fitalass said:

    FPT. DoctorG - "The SNP have a more experienced candidate in Aberdeen South, had it been the other way round I'd say they'd be in more trouble. I expect it'll still be another rough 10 days ahead for John Swinney so it's worth factoring that in too"

    I have to be honest and say I was really surprised by the SNP and Reform candidate selections for the Aberdeen South by-election. The SNP candidate Richard Thomson managed against the tide to lose his seat in my new neighbouring Westminster constituency of Gordon and Buchan to the Scottish Conservatives in 2024. The new MP Harriet Cross ran a formidable on the ground campaign and she has been for a while on my list of new Conservative MPs to watch and it will not surprise me if by the time of the next GE she is in a more prominent role in the Shadow Cabinent along with my own MP Andrew Bowie.

    And the Reform Scotland candidate Jo Hart was also their candidate in my Holyrood constituency of Aberdeenshire West a few weeks ago and she came with some baggage due to her previous online comments which I see she has already been pulled up and challenged about in the current by-election campaign. And despite the stronger showing for Reform here in parts of the Shire she ran an almost invisible on the ground campaign and our Scottish Conservative MSP Alexander Burnett managed to increase his majority.

    Richard Thomson is a nice enough guy, but perhaps it just shows how tricky a seat Gordon (and Buchan) has become, that he managed to lose on only his first defence, albeit by a whisker and with unhelpful boundary changes. He is from Ellon of course, and I wonder if that might not be ideal for Aberdeen South.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Wasn't it interesting to see in close up the standard of candidate put up by Reform? We don't often get to see that sort of backstage. You look at Rees Mogg or Priti Patel and marvel at what their selection committees must have seen that is completely invisible to the rest of us.

    But last night there it was in glorious technicolour. A Reform candidate unvarnished and chosen by we know not who-presumably Farage?

    So what's Farage's process? This guy's a plumber and a plumber won last month.....Or this guy is as rough as sand paper and thinks all women are slags! We've cracked it!

    As bad as he was the Green candidate was simply a joke [bad one]
    The girl on the extreme left? I thought she was very good. Bright clever not showy at all. A perfect candidate. The Tory was someone called Winstanley. I used to know a family Winstanley but they were well known Liberals.
    The Greeny got all in a muddle over the link between immigration and housing shortages.
    Just 'The Greeny got all in a muddle' is sufficient about her contribution
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,877
    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179
    IanB2 said:

    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.


    I hope you have plenty of water for your doggie.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547

    THIRTEEN DAYS TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY ANDY BURNHAM'S CAREER!

    Win or lose, Burnham is OK. Win and he becomes PM, lose and he returns to the day job.
    The day job that he has made clear he no longer gives a toss about.

    He'd be like a guy who left his wife for his mistress, got turned down by the mistress, and then comes skulking back home.
    Does going for a promotion mean that you no longer give a toss about your old job?

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434

    IanB2 said:

    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.


    I hope you have plenty of water for your doggie.
    We were both struggling with the heat on that walk, as it is rather exposed and the sun did come out shortly after. But fortunately, for the dog at least, there are plenty of streams and water courses feeding the vines and orchards. And of course I always carry a water bottle for us both.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.


    I hope you have plenty of water for your doggie.
    We were both struggling with the heat on that walk, as it is rather exposed and the sun did come out shortly after. But fortunately, for the dog at least, there are plenty of streams and water courses feeding the vines and orchards. And of course I always carry a water bottle for us both.
    I really didn't doubt you but he/she does look thirsty
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    Ewan Gibbs
    @ewangibbs
    ·
    3h
    Scottish Labour has become a small centre ground party which appeals to a minority of affluent people. It's fittingly led by an unpopular millionaire who sends his children to the private school he went to.

    https://x.com/ewangibbs/status/2062858501529927736?s=20
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,589
    edited 3:28PM
    Be disastrous for Robert Kenyon's plumbing business should he lose.
    Folk will correctly conclude that he's lost all interest in fixing boilers and never employ him again.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    Andy_JS said:

    fitalass said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/jun/05/i-knew-it-was-over-for-us-the-bands-who-got-left-behind-when-punk-exploded

    A fascinating article about the lost world of rock that got blown away by punk.
    I can't stand punk music personally, except for the more new wave stuff that is sometimes bundled up with it, like the Stranglers or Blondie. Call me old fashioned, but I like songs with a tune. I don't really like the gobby attitude associated with it either. I turned 1 in 1976 so I was a bit young for it all anyway.

    People also conveniently forget Punk rocks flirtation with the Far rights and Nazi symbolism.

    A very seedy underbelly to punk.

    Although, nice tunes.
    Yeah I was trying to keep this politics free but very much agree on the far right aspect, another reason why I don't care for punk much, apart from the paucity of tunes and the spitting.
    I didn’t care for the spitting either. Vile habit.

    Music wise I quite liked some of the stuff, probably more new wave. I like guitar based music.
    I could listen to the Stranglers all day.
    Gordon Brown texture like sun
    Never a frown with Gordon Brown
    Was going to take up OLB's suggestion but was then reminded about the cricket.
    Maybe after lunch when the cricket's over...
    I like punk. I like guitar music, I like fast guitar music. I value energy over finesse. I reckon if you lined up all the members of this board in order of how much they like punk, I would be in the top handful. I also quite like punk's less talented offshoot, Oi.
    And yet, I will admit that 90% of punk isn't very good. You don't need to be the best musician in the world to produce something interesting, but you do need a spark of creativity.
    If you have 1000 albums in your collection, one of them really needs to be Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols. It is genuinely one of the best albums of all time. That was basically all they did though. London Calling by the Clash is a fine album, but is it punk? Probably not, by that stage. And also you need something by the Buzzcocks. Beyond that I'd say it all gets a bit optional.
    But it was a very brief movement. 1976-1978 at the longest. Almost everything after mid-1978 was either New Wave or Oi.

    (Mind you, New Wave could keep you going for a lifetime.)
    Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've) is quite possibly one of the finest "pop" songs ever written.

    I remember Peter Shelley at Malvern Winter Gardens pleading with the punks to "stop spitting".
    The Fine Young Cannibals version is excellent
    I quite liked the FYCs when they were around - when I was about 10-12 - without really knowing why. It turns out - I only recently discovered this - most of the FYCs were in The Beat. Suddenly everything falls into place.
    My first wife had a mega thing for Roland Gift. Who I didn't resemble in any way shape or form.
    I was a huge fan of Fine Young Cannibals and I also had a mega thing for Roland Gift back in the day. I absolutely loved their cover version of Suspicious Minds along with their other hits Good Thing and She Drives Me Crazy.
    Fine Young Cannibals were essentially a new version of The Beat, who had a big hit with Mirror In The Bathroom in 1980.
    They also did Save it for later which is one of my favourite songs for some reason.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179

    Ewan Gibbs
    @ewangibbs
    ·
    3h
    Scottish Labour has become a small centre ground party which appeals to a minority of affluent people. It's fittingly led by an unpopular millionaire who sends his children to the private school he went to.

    https://x.com/ewangibbs/status/2062858501529927736?s=20
    And for all the comments against Kemi let us remind ourselves labour won just 9 seats in the Senedd only 2 more than the conservatives

    It is a possibility labour could have no Welsh mps after GE 29 !!!!!!!!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    It’s the sort of trolling you expect from the Russians.

    Maybe the foreign office could just post pictures of Jan 6th, BLM riots, the LA riots, victims of ICE murders etc and then someone in a greenhouse throwing stones.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    fitalass said:

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Cookie said:

    FPT: "What about Teenage Kicks by the Undertones?"

    A song originally about masturbation, until they changed the word "it" to "her".

    I did not know that.

    Other songs about masturbation:

    Blister in the Sun - Violent Femmes
    Turning Japanese - the Vapors
    I Touch Myself - the Divinyls
    Longview - Greenday

    Any others?
    Orgasm Addict by the Buzzcocks is the obvious omission
    Cyndi Lauper’s “She Bop”, as well as t.A.T.u.’s “Robot”, as I mentioned upthread.

    And should we mention Radiohead’s “Thinking About You”?
    No.
    What about London Beat then?

    Peter.
    I was also a big fan of Cyndi Lauper especially her first two albums, and as for London Beat that is a real blast from the past and I still have their first album in a box somewhere too. And dare I add that like cricket, I never got the attraction of Radiohead..
    She is great.
    One of the sounds of the 80s for me. Astonishingly good voice, and a fine songwriter.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,179
    dixiedean said:

    Be disastrous for Robert Kenyon's plumbing business should he lose.
    Folk will correctly conclude that he's lost all interest in fixing boilers and never employ him again.

    The only response I would give to that is have you tried to find a plumber to do work for you recently. ?

    They are overloaded with work often with several months before they are available

    A good plumber will never be out of work (unlike a politician)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    IanB2 said:


    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.



    Those pictures look identical to me. Strange weather.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239
    edited 3:37PM
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:


    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.



    Those pictures look identical to me. Strange weather.
    IanB2 would never break the rules and post two pictures in a day, see...
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 63
    edited 3:35PM

    US delegation at the Russian Davos includes Steven Segal and Candace Owens.

    Under Siege is the best Steven Seagal movie ever made!
    Well that's like saying rancid liver is better than puke!

    Peter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    Yes, MAGA are having a moment.

    Erika Kirk says that Europe is not safe anymore as it has surrendered to criminals but US is safe under Trump
    https://x.com/GlobalUpdates24/status/2045886365074866237
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,140
    Roger said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    It's confirmed: Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz and Kier Starmer will meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Sunday to discuss military support for Ukraine, economic pressure on Russia and ways to revitalise the peace process.

    The meeting will be in London.

    VVZ has mentioned the Nazis once (or twice) but I think he's got away with it.
    I think Tucker Carlson has mentioned Genocide 20 times so far and he's only just moved out of Rwanda.........He wants a few Americans on trial

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHPmW-XKfCM


    (worth watching)
    The Interview with the English doctor from Oxford is the most impressive testimony I've seen and I suspect the most impressive TC has seen. It would in itself made a new 'Nuremberg film' at least as excruciating as the first.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    Come on NZ, get those last few wickets.
    we could be on for the first Lord's test with 4 x sub-200 team totals since the 1888 Ashes
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 63
    boulay said:

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    It’s the sort of trolling you expect from the Russians.

    Maybe the foreign office could just post pictures of Jan 6th, BLM riots, the LA riots, victims of ICE murders etc and then someone in a greenhouse throwing stones.
    Just call in their Amassader and make it clear that if they don't stop it we'll start trolling Trump in a way that makes Newsom look like an amateur!

    Two can play at that game and while they have semi literate interns we have people who can do complete sentences and proper punctuation.

    Peter.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 203

    THIRTEEN DAYS TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY ANDY BURNHAM'S CAREER!

    Win or lose, Burnham is OK. Win and he becomes PM, lose and he returns to the day job.
    The day job that he has made clear he no longer gives a toss about.
    Shankland may have preferred Rangers a season ago but ended up staying with Hearts when no contract was offered. It's pretty clear he still gave a toss about Hearts no matter the bigger job he wanted.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    Anthony Head of Buffy fame has died.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960
    Drain the swamp!

    Donald Trump’s Ballroom Project Donors Won $50 Billion in Contracts — Report
    https://www.aol.com/articles/donald-trump-ballroom-project-donors-082434000.html

    Corporate donors to Donald Trump's White House ballroom project have gotten more than $50 billion in federal contracts over six months. A watchdog report now links the donations to a rise in government business for those firms.

    The findings, published on June 4 by the non-profit Public Citizen, examined 27 publicly known corporate contributors to the $400 million East Wing replacement. Fourteen of them secured new or expanded contracts since the demolition began in October, collectively worth over $50 billion. The report intensifies an already heated debate over whether the administration is operating a pay-to-play system.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239
    Zverev through to the final.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,520
    Nigelb said:

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    Yes, MAGA are having a moment.

    Erika Kirk says that Europe is not safe anymore as it has surrendered to criminals but US is safe under Trump
    https://x.com/GlobalUpdates24/status/2045886365074866237
    Erika Kirk clearly never looks at any crime information.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239

    Anthony Head of Buffy fame has died.

    Lost his partner last year at 61:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wxx3ky1yo

    Poor bugger.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 203
    fitalass said:

    FPT. DoctorG - "The SNP have a more experienced candidate in Aberdeen South, had it been the other way round I'd say they'd be in more trouble. I expect it'll still be another rough 10 days ahead for John Swinney so it's worth factoring that in too"

    Hell have to console himself by reminding himself he won, by far, the largest share of seats in a Scotland wide election less than a month ago.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,788

    boulay said:

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    It’s the sort of trolling you expect from the Russians.

    Maybe the foreign office could just post pictures of Jan 6th, BLM riots, the LA riots, victims of ICE murders etc and then someone in a greenhouse throwing stones.
    Just call in their Amassader and make it clear that if they don't stop it we'll start trolling Trump in a way that makes Newsom look like an amateur!

    Two can play at that game and while they have semi literate interns we have people who can do complete sentences and proper punctuation.

    Peter.
    "FAKE NEWS from the RADICAL LEFT LUNATIC Peter Cairns! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    Yes, MAGA are having a moment.

    Erika Kirk says that Europe is not safe anymore as it has surrendered to criminals but US is safe under Trump
    https://x.com/GlobalUpdates24/status/2045886365074866237
    Erika Kirk clearly never looks at any crime information.
    Wait until someone tells her that her husband was murdered by someone with a gun just like thousands of other Americans annually.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    boulay said:

    The State Department isn't letting up:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2062889707797623219

    Here’s what prominent Brits said as America’s cities burned.

    Very fortunately, protesters mourning Nowak have not ignited infrastructure, murdered anyone, or otherwise cut an antisocial swathe of destruction through the UK. To the extent any of them care what America thinks, we urge them to remain peaceful—and we expect they will. Just like Henry Nowak and just like Americans, ordinary Brits have been slandered as racist. Thus violent. They’re not.

    It’s the sort of trolling you expect from the Russians.

    Maybe the foreign office could just post pictures of Jan 6th, BLM riots, the LA riots, victims of ICE murders etc and then someone in a greenhouse throwing stones.
    Just call in their Amassader and make it clear that if they don't stop it we'll start trolling Trump in a way that makes Newsom look like an amateur!

    Two can play at that game and while they have semi literate interns we have people who can do complete sentences and proper punctuation.

    Peter.
    Always awkward criticising other people and their ability to write when making spelling errors in the post.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    Anthony Head from Buffy and Dr Who is with nana and the angles.

    RIP
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    edited 3:52PM
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:


    The famous Castle Tirol, from which the entire Tirol including the better known part in Austria originally got its name. With dog. It was cloudy this morning, but still hot, as you can see, but now it’s sunny.



    Those pictures look identical to me. Strange weather.
    IanB2 would never break the rules and post two pictures in a day, see...
    I recropped and reposted the photo, and when the post came up, the photo had disappeared. So I refreshed the page and it had still not appeared, so I uploaded it again. Then after the six minutes were up, I saw it was there twice. Over recent weeks, Vanilla seems to be doing that a lot recently - not confirming posts so people post again and then there’s a double post.

    By way of compensation I have removed both photos from this repost.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    boulay said:

    Anthony Head of Buffy fame has died.

    Sad, relatively young as well at 72. Loved him in the radio comedy “Bleak Expectations”. His brother Murray Head was in the original cast of Chess and was the singer of One Night in Bangkok.
    Great in the coffee ads.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,589

    dixiedean said:

    Be disastrous for Robert Kenyon's plumbing business should he lose.
    Folk will correctly conclude that he's lost all interest in fixing boilers and never employ him again.

    The only response I would give to that is have you tried to find a plumber to do work for you recently. ?

    They are overloaded with work often with several months before they are available

    A good plumber will never be out of work (unlike a politician)
    I was being sarcastic.
    Many posters seem to think applying for another job automatically means you can't do the job you're already doing.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,520
    Hmmm.

    Scrutiny starting up on delivery robots.

    ( Currently there are essentially zero rules, and currently in the UK these weigh from 25kg to 50kg, travelling at 4mph on pavements.)

    https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/policy-reports-and-research/delivery-robots/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547

    US delegation at the Russian Davos includes Steven Segal and Candace Owens.

    Under Siege is the best Steven Seagal movie ever made!
    Well that's like saying rancid liver is better than puke!

    Peter.
    "Yeah, I'm gonna shock the world by spreading ca-ca all over the place. Guangzhou is a chemical weapons plant masquerading as a fertilizer plant. We know this. The Chinese know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know and the Chinese make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know. Everybody knows."
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