But why is he allowed to be jumped on? He presents his views just as others do.
In this context Roger is someone who makes adverts hence someone like him decides on casting. In general anyone can get jumped on, and frequently does.
Roger works in advertising?
Yes
You’ve met him?
He’s discussed it here.
I remember chatting to him about an LP cover he worked on
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
Bloody hell, you are right. Bakeoff the Professionals. A Frenchman, a Chinese lady, an Afro Caribbean, a South Asian, Eastern Europeans and Ellie Taylor in the World's shortest pink dress. Blimey!
I'm always vaguely impressed Bake Off: The Professionals is still going, it always seems to me to have none of the charm that made the main show big.
I am vaguely impressed by your impeccable punctuation.
More than happy to talk Bake Off, or punctuation.
Just not toilets
They should make a toilet as their showpiece !
It looks like Ellie Taylor has already taken her trousers off in anticipation.
Thankfully it’s before the watershed.
Her sense of style is always most welcome.
I am switching between Bake Off and Wales v Ghana, but I like how Ellie Taylor's pink dress looks on her. Moreso than Rob Earnshaw's red trainers ( on him).
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
This really is not a thing that government or politicians should opine on. A company in a capitalist market (and that is the essence of advertising) should be free to use whatever actors they want.
I’d agree.
It’s something I just can’t really see what the fuss is about. They’re ads and I avoid where possible.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Oh no it hasn't.
Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧 @TRobinsonNewEra · 4h If they won’t do it, we will make the noise on X ourselves to take the knee.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
Surely they are just trying to cover as many demographics as possible to sell stuff? Though I should declare an interest in this, I have a mixed race daughter with aspirations in the acting sphere, so the more mixed race families on telly the better as far as I am concerned! Sorry, racists.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
Surely they are just trying to cover as many demographics as possible to sell stuff? Though I should declare an interest in this, I have a mixed race daughter with aspirations in the acting sphere, so the more mixed race families on telly the better as far as I am concerned! Sorry, racists.
We live in odd times. We have colour blind casting so that Anne Boleyn can be played by someone of colour. Cool, it's acting right? But I bet you won't get Nelson Mandela played by a white dude, or Othello.
As much of Mandela's story is about race it would be harder, but potentially interesting, to adapt to a white actor playing him and stay coherent. Race is not relevant in the story of Anne Boleyn, so it would be trivial to have an actress of any race play her.
Personally I don't see a problem with any actor playing anyone else, but some will be better suited to particular roles than others, and that may be down to race, height, gender, looks, speech or whatever. It is up to whoever is managing a production to decide.
Did Jesus really look like Jim Caviezel or Robert Powell?
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
I guess my point is, what does indigenous imply? Is it something we should aspire to? What qualifies does an indigenous person have?
To give a stupid example, I assume KP isn’t indigenous English even though his grandparents were native to these islands? But he seems culturally identical to me.
Even us Celts came from Eastern Europe circa 800 AD. At least we predated you Anglo Saxons.
Given the Celts had first mover advantage, it's rather surprising they settled for the shite bits...
I have always liked Cornwall, and Devon just East of the Tamar.
We live in odd times. We have colour blind casting so that Anne Boleyn can be played by someone of colour. Cool, it's acting right? But I bet you won't get Nelson Mandela played by a white dude, or Othello.
As much of Mandela's story is about race it would be harder, but potentially interesting, to adapt to a white actor playing him and stay coherent. Race is not relevant in the story of Anne Boleyn, so it would be trivial to have an actress of any race play her.
Personally I don't see a problem with any actor playing anyone else, but some will be better suited to particular roles than others, and that may be down to race, height, gender, looks, speech or whatever. It is up to whoever is managing a production to decide.
Did Jesus really look like Jim Caviezel or Robert Powell?
Seems unlikely, though we cannot be sure.
I'm confident he didn't resemble Trump, though, as gas recently been suggested.
Gas seems appropriate when it comes to Trump.
Can't imagine there were that many obese orange Messiahs in the Middle East two millenia ago.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
Bloody hell, you are right. Bakeoff the Professionals. A Frenchman, a Chinese lady, an Afro Caribbean, a South Asian, Eastern Europeans and Ellie Taylor in the World's shortest pink dress. Blimey!
I'm always vaguely impressed Bake Off: The Professionals is still going, it always seems to me to have none of the charm that made the main show big.
I am vaguely impressed by your impeccable punctuation.
More than happy to talk Bake Off, or punctuation.
Just not toilets
They should make a toilet as their showpiece !
It looks like Ellie Taylor has already taken her trousers off in anticipation.
Thankfully it’s before the watershed.
Her sense of style is always most welcome.
I am switching between Bake Off and Wales v Ghana, but I like how Ellie Taylor's pink dress looks on her. Moreso than Rob Earnshaw's red trainers ( on him).
Talking of Rob Earnshaw he’s quite the philosopher !
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
This really is not a thing that government or politicians should opine on. A company in a capitalist market (and that is the essence of advertising) should be free to use whatever actors they want.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
Bloody hell, you are right. Bakeoff the Professionals. A Frenchman, a Chinese lady, an Afro Caribbean, a South Asian, Eastern Europeans and Ellie Taylor in the World's shortest pink dress. Blimey!
I'm always vaguely impressed Bake Off: The Professionals is still going, it always seems to me to have none of the charm that made the main show big.
I am vaguely impressed by your impeccable punctuation.
More than happy to talk Bake Off, or punctuation.
Just not toilets
They should make a toilet as their showpiece !
It looks like Ellie Taylor has already taken her trousers off in anticipation.
Thankfully it’s before the watershed.
Her sense of style is always most welcome.
I am switching between Bake Off and Wales v Ghana, but I like how Ellie Taylor's pink dress looks on her. Moreso than Rob Earnshaw's red trainers ( on him).
Talking of Rob Earnshaw he’s quite the philosopher !
When he was at the Baggies he was rarely on the team sheet and used to spend most of his time in Glamorgan. I would often see him driving around in his Hummer. A Hummer is enormous and Rob isn't. I could have offered him some philosophy.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Oh no it hasn't.
Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧 @TRobinsonNewEra · 4h If they won’t do it, we will make the noise on X ourselves to take the knee.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
This really is not a thing that government or politicians should opine on. A company in a capitalist market (and that is the essence of advertising) should be free to use whatever actors they want.
And who to have on their boards?
Yes. Governments have to have different rules. Private companies must abide by the laws of the land too, but I don’t think boards should be mandated by law.
Just posting this from Matt, it isn't new, it's from May 22nd, but it feels like a good moment to introduce a bear into today's dismal dialogue. It's not his greatest but it cheered me up.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
This Reform "lashing out" was what I noticed on my FB feed yesterday and alluded to last night. I can only surmise that Restore are keeping them some distance behind Burnham.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
I hark back to the glory days of the Beaker people.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
I hark back to the glory days of the Beaker people.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
There is an argument to suggest Farage broke it.
Farage picked the scab but the scab over Europe was always there. No vote in the U.K. for decades as the EU formed with ever closer union a stated aim and unchecked immigration from Eastern Europe (no transitional arrangements for lucky old Britain, unlike the wise Germans).
So just as the nationalist right starts to see a split off from Reform with Restore, the left proves it can again split further with Grassroots Left splitting from Restore
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
The minimum period is 15 years. The judge put it at 23 but then reduced it by two years and time served. But still five years above the minimum. His mum is also facing some time too.
To be sure the cops massively screwed up - a separate process will judge them. It is not clear what will happen to them. But in the absence of a decision in relation to the cops involved it does not make it “two tier justice” despite yours and other assertions.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
Yes. They got it wrong, but they did several things that didn't need to happen too. No need for the handcuffs, a need to check his claims of being stabbed etc. Mistakes were made.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
You will have to work harder to be convincing. There are 80,000 prisoners in this country. Two instances of something very bad, even if they instanced two tier standards individually, and even if they are very bad instances, prove nothing at all about generalities.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
There is an argument to suggest Farage broke it.
Farage picked the scab but the scab over Europe was always there. No vote in the U.K. for decades as the EU formed with ever closer union a stated aim and unchecked immigration from Eastern Europe (no transitional arrangements for lucky old Britain, unlike the wise Germans).
So it was all about immigration. Got it. How's that going ten years on?
As for an ever closer Europe, I am reminded of Nathan Gill who sold his soul to the Russians to destabilise Europe. He had a friend. I can't recall his name though.
I did say that Farage was scum. Do him for inciting this riot.
Another Farage Riot? Every two years, it's a bit like Glastonbury.
So another summer of #Farageriots it is then.
I did not think my opinion of Farage could sink any lower, but it has done so today
What do these rioters intend to achieve? Dingwa is in jail, his family are in court next week and there is a full investigation into the events of the arrest. What more do they want?
This Reform "lashing out" was what I noticed on my FB feed yesterday and alluded to last night. I can only surmise that Restore are keeping them some distance behind Burnham.
What is Restore for?
One theory is that Lowe has no intention of becoming Prime Minister (he's 68 now, and is even further from having a government-in-waiting than Farage), and it's all a crude spoiler operation to keep Nigel out of Downing Street.
In which case, he's playing with fire, but it seems to be effective.
I did say that Farage was scum. Do him for inciting this riot.
Another Farage Riot? Every two years, it's a bit like Glastonbury.
So another summer of #Farageriots it is then.
I did not think my opinion of Farage could sink any lower, but it has done so today
What do these rioters intend to achieve? Dingwa is in jail, his family are in court next week and there is a full investigation into the events of the arrest. What more do they want?
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
There is an argument to suggest Farage broke it.
Farage picked the scab but the scab over Europe was always there. No vote in the U.K. for decades as the EU formed with ever closer union a stated aim and unchecked immigration from Eastern Europe (no transitional arrangements for lucky old Britain, unlike the wise Germans).
So it was all about immigration. Got it. How's that going ten years on?
Immigration was part of it for sure. But your contention that it was down to Farage gives him way too much power. He has and has always had an ability to articulate the shitness of things and to pin the blame somewhere with an easy narrative. Not unlike Hitler, oddly. But lots of things conspired to bring about Brexit.
This Reform "lashing out" was what I noticed on my FB feed yesterday and alluded to last night. I can only surmise that Restore are keeping them some distance behind Burnham.
What is Restore for?
One theory is that Lowe has no intention of becoming Prime Minister (he's 68 now, and is even further from having a government-in-waiting than Farage), and it's all a crude spoiler operation to keep Nigel out of Downing Street.
In which case, he's playing with fire, but it seems to be effective.
Restore is for ethnic purity and compulsory performative Christianity. There's a not insubstantial market for it. It's no surprise they gained traction when Farage admitted Zahawi and Braverman and made Zia Yusuf Shadow Home Secretary.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
You will have to work harder to be convincing. There are 80,000 prisoners in this country. Two instances of something very bad, even if they instanced two tier standards individually, and even if they are very bad instances, prove nothing at all about generalities.
Perfectly sufficient for social media amplification though, which is what matters nowadays.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
Standards have slipped. One of Dickens's greatest and little read novels, Barnaby Rudge, covers the Gordon riots, which have been almost dismissed from our history. He uses a lot of eye witness sources. By today's dismal rioting standards they were quite something. Hundreds died.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
This Reform "lashing out" was what I noticed on my FB feed yesterday and alluded to last night. I can only surmise that Restore are keeping them some distance behind Burnham.
What is Restore for?
One theory is that Lowe has no intention of becoming Prime Minister (he's 68 now, and is even further from having a government-in-waiting than Farage), and it's all a crude spoiler operation to keep Nigel out of Downing Street.
In which case, he's playing with fire, but it seems to be effective.
Lowe absolutely despises Farage and thinks Farage wanted to put him in jail. He is putting forward an agenda he believes in via his party and I doubt he cares less if it lets Burnham and Labour in by the backdoor in Makerfield or elsewhere
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
I guess my point is, what does indigenous imply? Is it something we should aspire to? What qualifies does an indigenous person have?
To give a stupid example, I assume KP isn’t indigenous English even though his grandparents were native to these islands? But he seems culturally identical to me.
Even us Celts came from Eastern Europe circa 800 AD. At least we predated you Anglo Saxons.
Given the Celts had first mover advantage, it's rather surprising they settled for the shite bits...
I have always liked Cornwall, and Devon just East of the Tamar.
Someone today described the Bretons as being more Welsh than French…
No matter the rights and wrongs of the Novak case what is happening now in Southampton is not helping anything.
It might give Rob the Plumber an advantage over Burnham. Very Trumpian from Farage.
Personally I can't see it. We already know the gender and age splits in Makerfield are quite astonishing. I can't image a mob of bald cokeheads storming Police stations playing well with women and the elderly.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
Standards have slipped. One of Dickens's greatest and little read novels, Barnaby Rudge, covers the Gordon riots, which have been almost dismissed from our history. He uses a lot of eye witness sources. By today's dismal rioting standards they were quite something. Hundreds died.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
Indeed, if that happened nowadays, we'd never hear the end of the moaning from all the woke snowflakes.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
Standards have slipped. One of Dickens's greatest and little read novels, Barnaby Rudge, covers the Gordon riots, which have been almost dismissed from our history. He uses a lot of eye witness sources. By today's dismal rioting standards they were quite something. Hundreds died.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
I've got a book upstairs somewhere written by a Tory MP thirty years ago or so called something like 'riots and mobs' - looking at the phenomenon in UK in 18 and 19th centuries. Plenty of it.
No matter the rights and wrongs of the Novak case what is happening now in Southampton is not helping anything.
It might give Rob the Plumber an advantage over Burnham. Very Trumpian from Farage.
Personally I can't see it. We already know the gender and age splits in Makerfield are quite astonishing. I can't image a mob of bald cokeheads storming Police stations playing well with women and the elderly.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
Standards have slipped. One of Dickens's greatest and little read novels, Barnaby Rudge, covers the Gordon riots, which have been almost dismissed from our history. He uses a lot of eye witness sources. By today's dismal rioting standards they were quite something. Hundreds died.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
Deserved by Wales, thought they were a bit goal shy and sloppy in defense. Can see England struggling to score against Ghana, could be a painful watch.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
I guess my point is, what does indigenous imply? Is it something we should aspire to? What qualifies does an indigenous person have?
To give a stupid example, I assume KP isn’t indigenous English even though his grandparents were native to these islands? But he seems culturally identical to me.
Even us Celts came from Eastern Europe circa 800 AD. At least we predated you Anglo Saxons.
Given the Celts had first mover advantage, it's rather surprising they settled for the shite bits...
I have always liked Cornwall, and Devon just East of the Tamar.
Found out the other day that Cornwall = Horn Wales = the land of the Welsh of the peninsular (as in horn of England).
@RupertLowe10 Reform putting out an attack ad on Kemi Badenoch misquoting her over Henry Nowak’s tragic death is a deeply misguided, ugly and offensive move.
A young British man was murdered. He died cuffed and begging for his life, alone in the street.
To weaponise his death, so vindictively, in order to make a viciously deceitful graphic attacking a political opponent is low.
I am not in the same party as Kemi Badenoch. In fact, we are competing for votes in Makerfield. I disagree with her on a great many number of policies.
I would never manipulate the death of an innocent young man to score petty party political points, especially using such blatant lies.
It’s just not how we conduct ourselves in Britain.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
I hark back to the glory days of the Beaker people.
I saw one of them, with his beaker, in a museum just this afternoon... (Salisbury.)
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
No matter the rights and wrongs of the Novak case what is happening now in Southampton is not helping anything.
It might give Rob the Plumber an advantage over Burnham. Very Trumpian from Farage.
Personally I can't see it. We already know the gender and age splits in Makerfield are quite astonishing. I can't image a mob of bald cokeheads storming Police stations playing well with women and the elderly.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 5m Reform really are descending into the gutter now. This is a total distortion of what Kemi Badenoch actually said. It’s another example of their increasingly desperate efforts to neutralise Restore.
Internet rumours (therefore please treat with appropriate caution) are that the Reform Makerfield candidate's plumbing business was set up 6 months ago and that reviews are all from other Reform members. Suggesting they're drawing a very odd lesson from the Denton and Gorton byelection.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
The mixed race family thing on TV ads long predates the BLM movement.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
Deserved by Wales, thought they were a bit goal shy and sloppy in defense. Can see England struggling to score against Ghana, could be a painful watch.
As someone who has watched England at world cups since 1982 painfully watching them fail to score is the usual mode.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
The mixed race family thing on TV ads long predates the BLM movement.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
They’ll be rioting in the streets of Makerfield in protest
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
Standards have slipped. One of Dickens's greatest and little read novels, Barnaby Rudge, covers the Gordon riots, which have been almost dismissed from our history. He uses a lot of eye witness sources. By today's dismal rioting standards they were quite something. Hundreds died.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
I've got a book upstairs somewhere written by a Tory MP thirty years ago or so called something like 'riots and mobs' - looking at the phenomenon in UK in 18 and 19th centuries. Plenty of it.
We used to be so good at this sort of thing. It's astonishing how far we have slipped down the global rankings. I'm hoping that a few years of a Reform government should really help us regain our mojo in this area.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
The OMRLP called today for the Greens, Reform and Restore to stand down their candidates. To avoid splitting the loony vote.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
The MRLP has caled upon Reform and Green to stand down in Makerfield so as not to split the loony vote and let a sane candidate through the middle.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
That was good of autocorrect. They have capitalised "to (s)ue".for me.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Tories are lucky to be included based on polling…
If Kemi saves a deposit she'll be claiming a massive victory
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
That was good of autocorrect. They have capitalised "to (s)ue".for me.
@RupertLowe10 Reform putting out an attack ad on Kemi Badenoch misquoting her over Henry Nowak’s tragic death is a deeply misguided, ugly and offensive move.
A young British man was murdered. He died cuffed and begging for his life, alone in the street.
To weaponise his death, so vindictively, in order to make a viciously deceitful graphic attacking a political opponent is low.
I am not in the same party as Kemi Badenoch. In fact, we are competing for votes in Makerfield. I disagree with her on a great many number of policies.
I would never manipulate the death of an innocent young man to score petty party political points, especially using such blatant lies.
It’s just not how we conduct ourselves in Britain.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Tories are lucky to be included based on polling…
If Kemi saves a deposit she'll be claiming a massive victory
Kemi did well this morning chasing down Farage's opportune racism, and then Philp somewhat spoiled it by the afternoon.
All you PB Tories* are laughing at the Labour front bench yet you still have Philp on the first team, team sheet
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
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It’s something I just can’t really see what the fuss is about. They’re ads and I avoid where possible.
Though I should declare an interest in this, I have a mixed race daughter with aspirations in the acting sphere, so the more mixed race families on telly the better as far as I am concerned! Sorry, racists.
Though I should declare an interest in this, I have a mixed race daughter with aspirations in the acting sphere, so the more mixed race families on telly the better as far as I am concerned! Sorry, racists.
Can't imagine there were that many obese orange Messiahs in the Middle East two millenia ago.
https://x.com/champoenergy/status/2061086892540497997?s=61
The horrible little cnut is currently bellowing over a silence for the dead kid.
https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/2057860607462748528/photo/1
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
Called the Green Party.
I can only surmise that Restore are keeping them some distance behind Burnham.
It most definitely was not. I would never have forgotten my drugs.
https://x.com/hunterbiden/status/2061514195292573856?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
The minimum period is 15 years. The judge put it at 23 but then reduced it by two years and time served. But still five years above the minimum. His mum is also facing some time too.
To be sure the cops massively screwed up - a separate process will judge them. It is not clear what will happen to them. But in the absence of a decision in relation to the cops involved it does not make it “two tier justice” despite yours and other assertions.
As for an ever closer Europe, I am reminded of Nathan Gill who sold his soul to the Russians to destabilise Europe. He had a friend. I can't recall his name though.
I did not think my opinion of Farage could sink any lower, but it has done so today
What do these rioters intend to achieve? Dingwa is in jail, his family are in court next week and there is a full investigation into the events of the arrest. What more do they want?
One theory is that Lowe has no intention of becoming Prime Minister (he's 68 now, and is even further from having a government-in-waiting than Farage), and it's all a crude spoiler operation to keep Nigel out of Downing Street.
In which case, he's playing with fire, but it seems to be effective.
There's a not insubstantial market for it.
It's no surprise they gained traction when Farage admitted Zahawi and Braverman and made Zia Yusuf Shadow Home Secretary.
Although Sturgeon may have forgotten hers.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
We already know the gender and age splits in Makerfield are quite astonishing.
I can't image a mob of bald cokeheads storming Police stations playing well with women and the elderly.
Can see England struggling to score against Ghana, could be a painful watch.
Reform putting out an attack ad on Kemi Badenoch misquoting her over Henry Nowak’s tragic death is a deeply misguided, ugly and offensive move.
A young British man was murdered. He died cuffed and begging for his life, alone in the street.
To weaponise his death, so vindictively, in order to make a viciously deceitful graphic attacking a political opponent is low.
I am not in the same party as Kemi Badenoch. In fact, we are competing for votes in Makerfield. I disagree with her on a great many number of policies.
I would never manipulate the death of an innocent young man to score petty party political points, especially using such blatant lies.
It’s just not how we conduct ourselves in Britain.
Principles still matter, or at least they should.
https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2061867389713519036?s=20
I don't think, alive, he'd have been favoured in their world.
... actually, as you were.
Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates.
Not Restore as of yet.
To avoid splitting the loony vote.
And Southampton has the Red Funnel!
Basically, people have no idea what happens on farms.
Must be the first time since the locals.
https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2061903188656304512?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
All you PB Tories* are laughing at the Labour front bench yet you still have Philp on the first team, team sheet
* Not directing that at you @Brixian59
Farage called for "cold hard rage", and this is what we get.
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
https://bsky.app/profile/gazlancs.bsky.social/post/3mndirnlre22w